Is It Time To Go SSD?
Thursday, October 22nd, 2009 running time 13:09
Should you ditch your old magnetic hard drives and invest in SSDs? The answer may surprise you as we talk to SSD expert Anand Shimpi of AnandTech.
Solid state drives are a hot topic amongst PC enthusiasts. They're super fast, fairly expensive, and, earlier this year, prone to various kinds of FAIL. Are the latest crop of SSDS worthy of your hard earned dollars? Patrick sat down with the best SSD expert we know, AnandTech.com's Anand Shimpi to get the cold hard facts on performance, longevity and future of these solid state wonders. Check out The SSD Relapse: Understanding and Choosing the Best SSD for even more info!
Highlights
hard drive: 2:10, 4:34, 6:26operating system: 1:21, 2:06
next generation: 11:02
video game: 1:22
Automatically Generated Transcript
May not be 100% accurate" War."
" Editor in chief -- tech dot com has been very excited about solid state drives for a long time to deal with assisting is. Have been pretty frustrated with the performance issues in many of the models to hit the street earlier this year in fact he's pretty much the only definitive write -- on those problems. Things seem to have settled down but let's get the word from the man himself -- the benchmarks and -- welcome back to Tekzilla thank -- I gotta say is it is it finally safe to buy it is that -- I was by the by want to read your articles backed away from the but everything's kind of changed in."
" Last month for a sixties. Yet it's it's one of those things where sometimes things change -- men and sometimes that you and it's actually change and change. So at the end of last year right before the Intel drives first came out. The market was really really confusing we had these thousand dollars societies using SOC slash net worth -- thousand dollars for like sixty days. And then we have this new class of some popular dollar drives which ended up being total crap -- with an -- things they that you saw. Those drives are almost completely out of the market apple. And we have this great option we have -- we recommend it's essential for a freight be explained by them. But it was 600 dollars -- gates. It and just about broke your operating system maybe video game and you're. Yes you know it's it's on those things where if you put like wow -- any of them and those on it. You're actually pain in the multiple hundreds of dollars just -- that game installed at at that time right so what's happened since. Is. And in history made at least on on not my -- doubtful but anyway -- yet. Fifteen nanometer was what Intel used in the generation one that's what about them. -- occupant and we're pretty for an. So so. Suddenly the price drop. So what used to have for about 600 dollars is now down in -- like mid to -- two dollar range. And that's. It predicts so will determine -- You know you probably picketing your primary drive your operating system you know maybe towards you major applications for your notebook hard drive. What are you looking in terms of performance improvement. Tremendous writes it the way I view these things in the ways in my personal system is. One of these 886020. Gig drives as here OS and application can. Right and that's. And this sort of performance improvement you get ranges from everything works the same as though is that to order of magnitude improvement. And and I'll get to the reasoning behind that a second but that the perfect test is you've got to fire on your PC. Turn around for a sleeper here. Just installed some updates have to do clean -- You know when you hit your desktop it's not usable right right all the extra stuff has to happen. Windows is -- who knows what the background and this is the much crap happening physical windows does exactly. That makes it unusable mr. right so if you go to fire up Internet Explorer. Chrome Firefox your email. And a couple apps whatever it is. Those things take you know a minute. -- to fire even if you have like 23 passed on rail system that's how it. And yes this deal will will severely severely reduce. So I -- I called fresh fast witches. Boot machine from scratch fire three apps and time on it takes. -- takes about a minute on the world's fastest archive on a cluster right are enough for Corning element in this is a big system. See you go for about a minute down to about six and a half seconds. That's pretty significant it's an order of magnitude yes certainly so and the reason you get that is because. You look at the way windows -- these applications work it's culmination of some sequential reads and writes but a lot of small file random reads and writes. And that truly is the weakness of mechanical storage right because you physically have platters -- mover here drop but damn they get a -- here exactly you can't move -- the speed electrons he moves at the speed you know. The temblor is exactly assist it's a bunch of those operations together and it starts -- painful. And that's why you know what what Microsoft everyone I've been working on for the past several years is how high that -- a cash as much as possible. So that's something that nasty stuff to deal. So good SST has an order of magnitude improvement in terms of random read write operations is that could help -- much Chris news. Running Photoshop war final cut pro or Soviet traditionally is is uses all of your memory it is much of your hard drive as possible yet it pretty much helps everything right it's just how much does. The most noticeable is an duality here president's whenever you launch applications it launches as if it were and memory already right it's that fast. It helps a lot with having antivirus running in the background. Because one of the most painful things antiviruses. It makes everything super slot because it's taken back to the hard drive exactly. And you know what you find is yeah there's a there's a metric that we look at which is. I operations percent. Our higher ups. And if you look at the random reader right -- ups capable on the fastest desktop hard drives here in -- hundred grange you know 100 to 300. Felt it yet if you look at the fastest SSD's. Even well used in their worst case performance. You're talking about 10000. That's a look better right that's gonna happen and you look at looking you do with 10000 miles versus 3400 or one of 300. You can do more stuff you -- doing. Encryption you can start doing real time virus scanning where it doesn't actually impact performance for a you can fire up. Every application in your start menu at the same time. And it also works really well under Linux and --"
" That's a good thing yet so you view this and a lot of time with notebooks running necessities are you seeing any particular battery life and that's. It does it seems like battery and partners review rotating media seems to be so optimize and of the department at this point you know are you getting any. You that your -- filters or battery life and others not."
" That much yet I've seen as much as ten to 20% and depending on the test and configuration. Ultimately you don't have to spend a monitor your so these things do use less power. The deafening is a lot less -- drugs -- and and you know there there idol Paris hosting notebooks is in you know its its comparable if not better than idle power on on the hard drive that you've completely shut down. So it's it's you know it's good it's not -- the W battery life but you might see up to an extra ten to 20% this now."
" If it's equivalent turning the screen house much -- I think fundamentally that the biggest benefit is performance if you get it to assist. We'll talk about good assist these versus -- necessities because you you missed the until the actually accidentally that's kind of that's that's pretty much what normal human beings can afford if the you know. If have a large car payment -- others it's how to drive LC OC he comes to mind because invariably it was -- onto bigger tires and it was easiest person -- see -- we're looking -- like 300 gigabytes. Four significant cost money and -- probably a 120 gigabytes but. The world power that this kind of what I will and also in the second here drives are the second tier drive's doing parity in."
" the way I look at listed at three viable options in the market right after you have dries based on the Intel controller -- based on the Sampson central. And drives based on non -- central. Into Linksys cream company projects Samsung guys. And attempt at an orbit actually competitive product. The majority goes disease lineup of and a lot of the other manufacturers like a patriot super talent sure they use in the -- Those drivers there their kind of overall peak performance and not quite as good as Intel's. But they're cheaper rent and you know I think in the Linksys finally at the point now where if you are on running on a stable firmware from them then. It's it's good enough. Right and you're not really giving up anything now in the past you know they have some growing pains and stuff like that and and some there data from lawyers for some of their. More on the edge and it kind of stuff that they're releasing this is maybe not what I recommend for a stable home personal system. But. The stuff that you can go -- is actually it. Who the Samsung drive is what comes in the apple losses and Lenovo is the bills. I'm not big -- Wasn't. You know it it does really well with with. Read right. Sequential random performance -- had you until you get to a fair use Dayton. And when you're in that state it's it's still okay but it's it's. I dual uses like -- even if she bonds are sure because there was -- cheaper though they're more expensive and harder strength. So if you gonna pay the premium I needed to be good in all its and I and that's why American nation is if you can afford it into a drive if if you can't. You know the -- instructor her Bible turn."
" As for the in terms of the until drivers is the primary businesses. Just that it does such a good job of managing -- writing to the memory. Yeah we're gonna see some of that the other drives is is the windows seven optimization is preposterous place so the strength in the -- stolen -- technology. -- the internal drive is. But it more dynamic ate it can and kind of just you were little bit better than some of the other drugs. And ultimately with the results then is better peak performance through better kind of which case there performance worst case apparently when you pretty much -- yet or when you've used to drive a lot. And obviously with windows seven you enable instruction called -- I don't get into the details of that but let it basically. Makes it so that here. Your performance degradation of the time used to be elected her like factor. This lets you kind of flatten that much power. As long as you're not physically feeling right. So basically what it -- the issues as you -- regret it basically fills. It it doesn't likely doesn't race well yes the -- that when you talk about it and yet memory compared to traditional. Current -- so will that improve over time or how to deal with. Or it's something that honestly I think in talent and to a certain extent and the links have have already dealt with and in. As good as they can't today and good enough that I would recommend you know people divine right it's it's used in all my systems so. I'm happy that you're also using -- as a -- running like several gigabytes of video through a daily basis yes you know I -- my page files stored on it but I'm not using in his mind you know multi terabyte video stores -- because it's just not cost effective. If you look at you know. One of the things that entails working on is is not necessarily. Optimizing for peak assess the performance but trying to make sure that you have consistent performance over the life -- of the -- which is appreciate it with some good drives around earlier this year as he served -- the driver just used to drive -- constantly getting. Brewers dropped off -- almost yet so what you're gonna see anything in the next generation and and the generation beyond that is kind of more consistent performance. See you won't see this it -- may not be as high. But the performance -- consistent across polite but so in terms of."
" Assist these becoming mainstream and of next year they're gonna be anywhere near parity with rotating media -- firmware to receive their do we -- that."
" You know it's it was on peer to entertain me for. The question is when does he get affordable picture right I personally I view it as today it's affordable. The reason being is I've always characterized it as the single largest performance improvement you can do to your piece above. NEC PU motherboard Mario 64 bit windows seven with a core set of 12 gigabytes or -- that's not -- equate this sort of catching performance of a -- it you know it addresses the simple problem right -- but I think if you're bound by compute. Throwing more computer at the problem would be -- after but you know I think -- is bound by I -- performance so you gotta throw line where I am so the problem. So personally I view today yet at the 300 dollar below level I I believe that's. I think over the course next year you'll probably see them fall by another thirty to 50%. So all of a sudden entry level -- these potter books yet. I I think gas and William might see stuff under under the -- here. And with the it people who are trying to creative because several wants to hit that that that so on and -- price point. You know I think it becomes more mainstream for the need the performance to -- the easiest classes -- But in Atlanta. And and I think 3132 is when we start seeing it much more pervasive -- so it's a 500 dollar BC's then. Kinda scary. Thank you so much thank you."
" Ladies and -- what follow men's work you can check out this site and -- tech dot com it is an outstanding place harbor views and track -- PC tech development we highly recommended before. You start by --"
" War."
" Editor in chief -- tech dot com has been very excited about solid state drives for a long time to deal with assisting is. Have been pretty frustrated with the performance issues in many of the models to hit the street earlier this year in fact he's pretty much the only definitive write -- on those problems. Things seem to have settled down but let's get the word from the man himself -- the benchmarks and -- welcome back to Tekzilla thank -- I gotta say is it is it finally safe to buy it is that -- I was by the by want to read your articles backed away from the but everything's kind of changed in."
" Last month for a sixties. Yet it's it's one of those things where sometimes things change -- men and sometimes that you and it's actually change and change. So at the end of last year right before the Intel drives first came out. The market was really really confusing we had these thousand dollars societies using SOC slash net worth -- thousand dollars for like sixty days. And then we have this new class of some popular dollar drives which ended up being total crap -- with an -- things they that you saw. Those drives are almost completely out of the market apple. And we have this great option we have -- we recommend it's essential for a freight be explained by them. But it was 600 dollars -- gates. It and just about broke your operating system maybe video game and you're. Yes you know it's it's on those things where if you put like wow -- any of them and those on it. You're actually pain in the multiple hundreds of dollars just -- that game installed at at that time right so what's happened since. Is. And in history made at least on on not my -- doubtful but anyway -- yet. Fifteen nanometer was what Intel used in the generation one that's what about them. -- occupant and we're pretty for an. So so. Suddenly the price drop. So what used to have for about 600 dollars is now down in -- like mid to -- two dollar range. And that's. It predicts so will determine -- You know you probably picketing your primary drive your operating system you know maybe towards you major applications for your notebook hard drive. What are you looking in terms of performance improvement. Tremendous writes it the way I view these things in the ways in my personal system is. One of these 886020. Gig drives as here OS and application can. Right and that's. And this sort of performance improvement you get ranges from everything works the same as though is that to order of magnitude improvement. And and I'll get to the reasoning behind that a second but that the perfect test is you've got to fire on your PC. Turn around for a sleeper here. Just installed some updates have to do clean -- You know when you hit your desktop it's not usable right right all the extra stuff has to happen. Windows is -- who knows what the background and this is the much crap happening physical windows does exactly. That makes it unusable mr. right so if you go to fire up Internet Explorer. Chrome Firefox your email. And a couple apps whatever it is. Those things take you know a minute. -- to fire even if you have like 23 passed on rail system that's how it. And yes this deal will will severely severely reduce. So I -- I called fresh fast witches. Boot machine from scratch fire three apps and time on it takes. -- takes about a minute on the world's fastest archive on a cluster right are enough for Corning element in this is a big system. See you go for about a minute down to about six and a half seconds. That's pretty significant it's an order of magnitude yes certainly so and the reason you get that is because. You look at the way windows -- these applications work it's culmination of some sequential reads and writes but a lot of small file random reads and writes. And that truly is the weakness of mechanical storage right because you physically have platters -- mover here drop but damn they get a -- here exactly you can't move -- the speed electrons he moves at the speed you know. The temblor is exactly assist it's a bunch of those operations together and it starts -- painful. And that's why you know what what Microsoft everyone I've been working on for the past several years is how high that -- a cash as much as possible. So that's something that nasty stuff to deal. So good SST has an order of magnitude improvement in terms of random read write operations is that could help -- much Chris news. Running Photoshop war final cut pro or Soviet traditionally is is uses all of your memory it is much of your hard drive as possible yet it pretty much helps everything right it's just how much does. The most noticeable is an duality here president's whenever you launch applications it launches as if it were and memory already right it's that fast. It helps a lot with having antivirus running in the background. Because one of the most painful things antiviruses. It makes everything super slot because it's taken back to the hard drive exactly. And you know what you find is yeah there's a there's a metric that we look at which is. I operations percent. Our higher ups. And if you look at the random reader right -- ups capable on the fastest desktop hard drives here in -- hundred grange you know 100 to 300. Felt it yet if you look at the fastest SSD's. Even well used in their worst case performance. You're talking about 10000. That's a look better right that's gonna happen and you look at looking you do with 10000 miles versus 3400 or one of 300. You can do more stuff you -- doing. Encryption you can start doing real time virus scanning where it doesn't actually impact performance for a you can fire up. Every application in your start menu at the same time. And it also works really well under Linux and --"
" That's a good thing yet so you view this and a lot of time with notebooks running necessities are you seeing any particular battery life and that's. It does it seems like battery and partners review rotating media seems to be so optimize and of the department at this point you know are you getting any. You that your -- filters or battery life and others not."
" That much yet I've seen as much as ten to 20% and depending on the test and configuration. Ultimately you don't have to spend a monitor your so these things do use less power. The deafening is a lot less -- drugs -- and and you know there there idol Paris hosting notebooks is in you know its its comparable if not better than idle power on on the hard drive that you've completely shut down. So it's it's you know it's good it's not -- the W battery life but you might see up to an extra ten to 20% this now."
" If it's equivalent turning the screen house much -- I think fundamentally that the biggest benefit is performance if you get it to assist. We'll talk about good assist these versus -- necessities because you you missed the until the actually accidentally that's kind of that's that's pretty much what normal human beings can afford if the you know. If have a large car payment -- others it's how to drive LC OC he comes to mind because invariably it was -- onto bigger tires and it was easiest person -- see -- we're looking -- like 300 gigabytes. Four significant cost money and -- probably a 120 gigabytes but. The world power that this kind of what I will and also in the second here drives are the second tier drive's doing parity in."
" the way I look at listed at three viable options in the market right after you have dries based on the Intel controller -- based on the Sampson central. And drives based on non -- central. Into Linksys cream company projects Samsung guys. And attempt at an orbit actually competitive product. The majority goes disease lineup of and a lot of the other manufacturers like a patriot super talent sure they use in the -- Those drivers there their kind of overall peak performance and not quite as good as Intel's. But they're cheaper rent and you know I think in the Linksys finally at the point now where if you are on running on a stable firmware from them then. It's it's good enough. Right and you're not really giving up anything now in the past you know they have some growing pains and stuff like that and and some there data from lawyers for some of their. More on the edge and it kind of stuff that they're releasing this is maybe not what I recommend for a stable home personal system. But. The stuff that you can go -- is actually it. Who the Samsung drive is what comes in the apple losses and Lenovo is the bills. I'm not big -- Wasn't. You know it it does really well with with. Read right. Sequential random performance -- had you until you get to a fair use Dayton. And when you're in that state it's it's still okay but it's it's. I dual uses like -- even if she bonds are sure because there was -- cheaper though they're more expensive and harder strength. So if you gonna pay the premium I needed to be good in all its and I and that's why American nation is if you can afford it into a drive if if you can't. You know the -- instructor her Bible turn."
" As for the in terms of the until drivers is the primary businesses. Just that it does such a good job of managing -- writing to the memory. Yeah we're gonna see some of that the other drives is is the windows seven optimization is preposterous place so the strength in the -- stolen -- technology. -- the internal drive is. But it more dynamic ate it can and kind of just you were little bit better than some of the other drugs. And ultimately with the results then is better peak performance through better kind of which case there performance worst case apparently when you pretty much -- yet or when you've used to drive a lot. And obviously with windows seven you enable instruction called -- I don't get into the details of that but let it basically. Makes it so that here. Your performance degradation of the time used to be elected her like factor. This lets you kind of flatten that much power. As long as you're not physically feeling right. So basically what it -- the issues as you -- regret it basically fills. It it doesn't likely doesn't race well yes the -- that when you talk about it and yet memory compared to traditional. Current -- so will that improve over time or how to deal with. Or it's something that honestly I think in talent and to a certain extent and the links have have already dealt with and in. As good as they can't today and good enough that I would recommend you know people divine right it's it's used in all my systems so. I'm happy that you're also using -- as a -- running like several gigabytes of video through a daily basis yes you know I -- my page files stored on it but I'm not using in his mind you know multi terabyte video stores -- because it's just not cost effective. If you look at you know. One of the things that entails working on is is not necessarily. Optimizing for peak assess the performance but trying to make sure that you have consistent performance over the life -- of the -- which is appreciate it with some good drives around earlier this year as he served -- the driver just used to drive -- constantly getting. Brewers dropped off -- almost yet so what you're gonna see anything in the next generation and and the generation beyond that is kind of more consistent performance. See you won't see this it -- may not be as high. But the performance -- consistent across polite but so in terms of."
" Assist these becoming mainstream and of next year they're gonna be anywhere near parity with rotating media -- firmware to receive their do we -- that."
" You know it's it was on peer to entertain me for. The question is when does he get affordable picture right I personally I view it as today it's affordable. The reason being is I've always characterized it as the single largest performance improvement you can do to your piece above. NEC PU motherboard Mario 64 bit windows seven with a core set of 12 gigabytes or -- that's not -- equate this sort of catching performance of a -- it you know it addresses the simple problem right -- but I think if you're bound by compute. Throwing more computer at the problem would be -- after but you know I think -- is bound by I -- performance so you gotta throw line where I am so the problem. So personally I view today yet at the 300 dollar below level I I believe that's. I think over the course next year you'll probably see them fall by another thirty to 50%. So all of a sudden entry level -- these potter books yet. I I think gas and William might see stuff under under the -- here. And with the it people who are trying to creative because several wants to hit that that that so on and -- price point. You know I think it becomes more mainstream for the need the performance to -- the easiest classes -- But in Atlanta. And and I think 3132 is when we start seeing it much more pervasive -- so it's a 500 dollar BC's then. Kinda scary. Thank you so much thank you."
" Ladies and -- what follow men's work you can check out this site and -- tech dot com it is an outstanding place harbor views and track -- PC tech development we highly recommended before. You start by --"






