Intel Developer Forum 2009: Anand Shimpi
Thursday, October 8th, 2009 running time 10:58
Anand Shimpi of AnandTech gives us the lowdown at this year's Intel Developer Forum.
Intel does its best to mold the future of PC hardware and
consumer electronics at its annual Developer
Forum. Anandtech.com's
founder Anand
Shimpi joins us to talk about what's going on with Lynnfield, Evergreen,
Larrabee, Westmere and SSDs, what's on the way, and the really interesting
stuff that went on -around- the show!
Highlights
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May not be 100% accurate" War."
" They'll help the annual Intel developer forum we had a chance to talk with -- mantech dot com founder and CEO and should be. About what Intel is coming up -- Macs and PCs and welcome to Tekzilla thank you you've been doing this for awhile now yeah twelve years that's exciting yeah. It's still fun yes more fun. Really what that. Well so initially respond -- thing knowing thing and it was only really cool new. Now it's fun because the technology Islam -- richer and I get to talk about really really cool things now. That's actually pretty exciting and so excited that happened this week Intel developer forum AK idea AKA. Intel's chance to employees everybody that makes PCs reliving all the forms of technology is -- it until wants to do and the lifelong battle with Microsoft and now Google. So any big nasty -- exciting an idea this year there's also those exciting."
" Around idea writes that beginning this month we talked about when field which you cancels -- which is corresponds to an affordable core -- seven. At IDF we kind of have that the next step the on the infield so Winfield was four cores and and that we bring him down to force. And that comes in two flavors and -- and -- These 3300. A kind of so. -- is is mobile dual -- And apple is referred to it as this is gonna be what you want your next MacBook if you can and you can look out for those in in the beginning next year. And then Clark dale as the dust up so if you one of those guys that bought Conroe and and this really all single core processors and until made back in a six. This is the upgrade you'll what are we talking about terms performance versus the the court to do us. Significant performance improvement right see you get the same kind of architectures mail. But just the two course see you much for solar power consumption. I was measuring 130 watts for a full system that title. And and under full load you're looking at seventy. And the other cool thing is this is the first on package graphics so on your CP chip you've got the processor core geographical."
" Will they be any better than these sort of off -- or services they they -- the -- graphic from Intel and kind of miserable -- so they. Is this miserable but taking up less space and motherboard it's it's this one is actually an improvement --"
" Tacit you know some preliminary data. But their whole deal is since it's on the CPU package it's gotta be at least reasonable. The other thing you get what that is you get full account PC and that's streaming built Petrie Steve -- master -- just a magnificent mobile processor could -- the -- home -- If they can get something or. That is who you say if they can get this -- working which software you're referring to all of them so I have seen it working -- with. Some of the packages out there they're they're working with all the vendors and you'll see stuff from site. To talk about Blu-ray playback exactly is HD CP an issue when you put it when you're working with a -- on the -- like better word is it actually become a problem with getting it wrong. -- ACC he's always a problem it's just a pain right like its its okay. That. The groups that make you jump started to get literary work on your PC you're just as they effectively make -- handshake and lock down every single part of the data path right now to the monitor aids acquired via witches in non trivial technical problems well -- audio and video music and -- you basically have to encrypting secret every step of the way Solon ACP -- the data. Astute -- that decrepit look at it encrypted something to the graphics processor. That has to speaker to decode encrypted send it out to -- you -- your monitor. And yeah. It's just a -- you to do that but for video and audio. So it is a complicated system. But -- you know hopefully we're a couple months away from launch and and they're taking it seriously now and them I'm helping them pass them."
" To be beating you with a very finally Putin stick yet do you see this is being sort of a gateway for more home theater PC's use it is becoming integrated. Because it it's kind of amazing watching a lot of stuff. Did it take everybody of their bodies as a signature upsets of some type of box. Does amazing 1080. Is this Intel kind of trying to weasel into the market or is it just something that's decided well we can put everything in a notebook what are we could do that."
" Well this is an Intel is actually pioneers in this feature right there the first including -- PC and output every few months. It's totally like a rich guy home -- thing and so I I don't know why they keep doing but I'm glad they are and ultimately it it is cool and and I I don't know what kind of usage models that enables because it is one of those things where I can tell you the technology is good -- and then some spark has -- he's something because the beauty of of being able to -- this stuff is you can get. Eighty bit for bit copy of the soundtrack that was mastered in the movie studio out to your speakers right you're not losing any there's a compression you mean it's it's there's compression it's not glossy. And that's just cool and it with something that's that cool you gotta be able to do something and -- it would help. But right now it's it's perfect for eight years you know that the high end computer market is his -- He says is that going to be integrated in like many yankees right here exports and politics towards some yet sought -- with the first the chipset called H fifty cent and so it's like 55. Which is the link you'll chipset. But what -- 57 does is it has a path from the -- he's graphics apt to DVR she might. Right because graphics on the subpoena. Insisting chipset but if you us overclocking features and and give -- a path to that. One of the first Intel boards that they've got based on 57 is a mini ITX solution. VA re considering your attitude chip solution we've got you know you're you're age 57 chipset and you you've got the CP. So there mini ITX board actually has a full by sixteen -- expressed on -- To do your freedom slots and forced -- ports so it's inning you could stick 57 in there and have totally capable game machine to Vista it -- him more performance than obviously. Adam. The media I had accommodation who's gonna have so much more process I thought -- substitute but. -- look at what else did you see that was exciting around the idea this year Sosa and they'll -- there were big. A lot of manufacturing announcements French thing. So until should -- sandy bridge which is. Next year's architecture so it it went. Tundra -- and Salem west Mir which is what we're talking about now and in San neighbors and -- To sandy bridge takes your graphics that was on package -- but not on time and -- so now you have a single chip. That's your CPU and graphics that are pretty much all those going to be baseline being able to DNA EP. Yes mpeg two four decoding. Woolsey you take it out one -- two generations beyond that and and you -- so crappy graphics or bring -- And then -- interest where he's actually gonna do something so yes I think it's it's a liter -- was also an idea we saw the world's first layer it. It was an impressive -- Because it fundamentally that that the chip is its title bugs. It's getting -- Iran is non trivial but -- Especially for doing completely new architecture you keep doubting me you've seen the rooms and -- they -- emulate everything transistors yet I think they've finally gotten the point where they can no longer physically do that yet. The fifth wheel so it's it's not only is in the architecture but it's means a whole new direction protect. But the thing is that until we used to seen the first from the silicon be up and running windows and and working perfectly fine so when they don't do that then everyone's. But it's it's -- big deal we still have a lot of time before layer B one comes out so for -- is it just that it's such a radically different architecture or is it just so much more complicated than what they've done under what what's the kind of pitching. Point -- until there a lot of things its new instructions that new architecture huge it. Right so if you look at the the class of -- that we have you know right now you're looking at two to three billion transistors. Whereas you know you're basically under a billion. For over hale class as if it's amazing to realize just how insane it is like the idea of a billion transistors at the end of anything this like ridiculous there. That's good -- of sand on a lot of beach initially -- two -- three PPI -- is what are we gonna bring Intel up in step with AMD and Nvidia or is it going to be something that's -- and in parallel with a GPUs wells I think the thing is that the initial. It's all about price break. Later he won I don't think there's a chance that it would even remotely compete with the 45600 dollars -- views and I don't think Intel's and then -- my personal opinion I think we'll see it in the sub 200 dollar range. And I think aid if Intel does their job properly it might be performs competitively. It may use more power they have a lot of other issues but. That that I think is where you should -- your expectations and I'm not overly high but. This is almost like the Microsoft model or its not -- one point or people with three point oh with a that's going to be the kick ass version I mean I look at it like Adam honestly right when Adam first want have been -- not been their out of -- total disappointment. Right because it can go to Smartphone and -- most of my treatment. So. I look at two. I look at Adam as you know the first generation was -- picture here. The second generation. Gets a little -- is contaminant is one devices but it's the third one we you can actually -- and something's not that I thought that would be nice and then you start getting very very exciting. What if only distort -- Booth could by the arm architecture but what the arm architecture it. Wilson you're looking at computers did -- things happening right so Adam. Has the performance but power consumption is is not on -- with arm. So you see Adam dropping in power consumption at the same time you see arm. Increasing their performance. So but the real question is. When -- cross and who's on top after -- cross the -- And it's you know. A -- be like like Adam AIDS virus situation differentials coming in as the underdog. Which -- used because they walk into any environment CPUs even solid state storage they walked in and they're like. McCain."
" The king especially Celtics source. We're gonna talk a little bit more about that the couple weeks you've pretty much -- written the definitive particles ones on SSDs the issues the excitement the joy and pain and trauma actually also that they would be good report so. We talk a little bit more about assisting a couple weeks yet awesome and and thank you so much for your time ladies and gentlemen if you have not been the website and -- tech dot com after the PC hardware you should definitely. Go there and do some research some reading and find out really what's going on in terms of performance and technology we can you PC parts. Before you upgrade your machine trust me to be worth your time."
" War."
" They'll help the annual Intel developer forum we had a chance to talk with -- mantech dot com founder and CEO and should be. About what Intel is coming up -- Macs and PCs and welcome to Tekzilla thank you you've been doing this for awhile now yeah twelve years that's exciting yeah. It's still fun yes more fun. Really what that. Well so initially respond -- thing knowing thing and it was only really cool new. Now it's fun because the technology Islam -- richer and I get to talk about really really cool things now. That's actually pretty exciting and so excited that happened this week Intel developer forum AK idea AKA. Intel's chance to employees everybody that makes PCs reliving all the forms of technology is -- it until wants to do and the lifelong battle with Microsoft and now Google. So any big nasty -- exciting an idea this year there's also those exciting."
" Around idea writes that beginning this month we talked about when field which you cancels -- which is corresponds to an affordable core -- seven. At IDF we kind of have that the next step the on the infield so Winfield was four cores and and that we bring him down to force. And that comes in two flavors and -- and -- These 3300. A kind of so. -- is is mobile dual -- And apple is referred to it as this is gonna be what you want your next MacBook if you can and you can look out for those in in the beginning next year. And then Clark dale as the dust up so if you one of those guys that bought Conroe and and this really all single core processors and until made back in a six. This is the upgrade you'll what are we talking about terms performance versus the the court to do us. Significant performance improvement right see you get the same kind of architectures mail. But just the two course see you much for solar power consumption. I was measuring 130 watts for a full system that title. And and under full load you're looking at seventy. And the other cool thing is this is the first on package graphics so on your CP chip you've got the processor core geographical."
" Will they be any better than these sort of off -- or services they they -- the -- graphic from Intel and kind of miserable -- so they. Is this miserable but taking up less space and motherboard it's it's this one is actually an improvement --"
" Tacit you know some preliminary data. But their whole deal is since it's on the CPU package it's gotta be at least reasonable. The other thing you get what that is you get full account PC and that's streaming built Petrie Steve -- master -- just a magnificent mobile processor could -- the -- home -- If they can get something or. That is who you say if they can get this -- working which software you're referring to all of them so I have seen it working -- with. Some of the packages out there they're they're working with all the vendors and you'll see stuff from site. To talk about Blu-ray playback exactly is HD CP an issue when you put it when you're working with a -- on the -- like better word is it actually become a problem with getting it wrong. -- ACC he's always a problem it's just a pain right like its its okay. That. The groups that make you jump started to get literary work on your PC you're just as they effectively make -- handshake and lock down every single part of the data path right now to the monitor aids acquired via witches in non trivial technical problems well -- audio and video music and -- you basically have to encrypting secret every step of the way Solon ACP -- the data. Astute -- that decrepit look at it encrypted something to the graphics processor. That has to speaker to decode encrypted send it out to -- you -- your monitor. And yeah. It's just a -- you to do that but for video and audio. So it is a complicated system. But -- you know hopefully we're a couple months away from launch and and they're taking it seriously now and them I'm helping them pass them."
" To be beating you with a very finally Putin stick yet do you see this is being sort of a gateway for more home theater PC's use it is becoming integrated. Because it it's kind of amazing watching a lot of stuff. Did it take everybody of their bodies as a signature upsets of some type of box. Does amazing 1080. Is this Intel kind of trying to weasel into the market or is it just something that's decided well we can put everything in a notebook what are we could do that."
" Well this is an Intel is actually pioneers in this feature right there the first including -- PC and output every few months. It's totally like a rich guy home -- thing and so I I don't know why they keep doing but I'm glad they are and ultimately it it is cool and and I I don't know what kind of usage models that enables because it is one of those things where I can tell you the technology is good -- and then some spark has -- he's something because the beauty of of being able to -- this stuff is you can get. Eighty bit for bit copy of the soundtrack that was mastered in the movie studio out to your speakers right you're not losing any there's a compression you mean it's it's there's compression it's not glossy. And that's just cool and it with something that's that cool you gotta be able to do something and -- it would help. But right now it's it's perfect for eight years you know that the high end computer market is his -- He says is that going to be integrated in like many yankees right here exports and politics towards some yet sought -- with the first the chipset called H fifty cent and so it's like 55. Which is the link you'll chipset. But what -- 57 does is it has a path from the -- he's graphics apt to DVR she might. Right because graphics on the subpoena. Insisting chipset but if you us overclocking features and and give -- a path to that. One of the first Intel boards that they've got based on 57 is a mini ITX solution. VA re considering your attitude chip solution we've got you know you're you're age 57 chipset and you you've got the CP. So there mini ITX board actually has a full by sixteen -- expressed on -- To do your freedom slots and forced -- ports so it's inning you could stick 57 in there and have totally capable game machine to Vista it -- him more performance than obviously. Adam. The media I had accommodation who's gonna have so much more process I thought -- substitute but. -- look at what else did you see that was exciting around the idea this year Sosa and they'll -- there were big. A lot of manufacturing announcements French thing. So until should -- sandy bridge which is. Next year's architecture so it it went. Tundra -- and Salem west Mir which is what we're talking about now and in San neighbors and -- To sandy bridge takes your graphics that was on package -- but not on time and -- so now you have a single chip. That's your CPU and graphics that are pretty much all those going to be baseline being able to DNA EP. Yes mpeg two four decoding. Woolsey you take it out one -- two generations beyond that and and you -- so crappy graphics or bring -- And then -- interest where he's actually gonna do something so yes I think it's it's a liter -- was also an idea we saw the world's first layer it. It was an impressive -- Because it fundamentally that that the chip is its title bugs. It's getting -- Iran is non trivial but -- Especially for doing completely new architecture you keep doubting me you've seen the rooms and -- they -- emulate everything transistors yet I think they've finally gotten the point where they can no longer physically do that yet. The fifth wheel so it's it's not only is in the architecture but it's means a whole new direction protect. But the thing is that until we used to seen the first from the silicon be up and running windows and and working perfectly fine so when they don't do that then everyone's. But it's it's -- big deal we still have a lot of time before layer B one comes out so for -- is it just that it's such a radically different architecture or is it just so much more complicated than what they've done under what what's the kind of pitching. Point -- until there a lot of things its new instructions that new architecture huge it. Right so if you look at the the class of -- that we have you know right now you're looking at two to three billion transistors. Whereas you know you're basically under a billion. For over hale class as if it's amazing to realize just how insane it is like the idea of a billion transistors at the end of anything this like ridiculous there. That's good -- of sand on a lot of beach initially -- two -- three PPI -- is what are we gonna bring Intel up in step with AMD and Nvidia or is it going to be something that's -- and in parallel with a GPUs wells I think the thing is that the initial. It's all about price break. Later he won I don't think there's a chance that it would even remotely compete with the 45600 dollars -- views and I don't think Intel's and then -- my personal opinion I think we'll see it in the sub 200 dollar range. And I think aid if Intel does their job properly it might be performs competitively. It may use more power they have a lot of other issues but. That that I think is where you should -- your expectations and I'm not overly high but. This is almost like the Microsoft model or its not -- one point or people with three point oh with a that's going to be the kick ass version I mean I look at it like Adam honestly right when Adam first want have been -- not been their out of -- total disappointment. Right because it can go to Smartphone and -- most of my treatment. So. I look at two. I look at Adam as you know the first generation was -- picture here. The second generation. Gets a little -- is contaminant is one devices but it's the third one we you can actually -- and something's not that I thought that would be nice and then you start getting very very exciting. What if only distort -- Booth could by the arm architecture but what the arm architecture it. Wilson you're looking at computers did -- things happening right so Adam. Has the performance but power consumption is is not on -- with arm. So you see Adam dropping in power consumption at the same time you see arm. Increasing their performance. So but the real question is. When -- cross and who's on top after -- cross the -- And it's you know. A -- be like like Adam AIDS virus situation differentials coming in as the underdog. Which -- used because they walk into any environment CPUs even solid state storage they walked in and they're like. McCain."
" The king especially Celtics source. We're gonna talk a little bit more about that the couple weeks you've pretty much -- written the definitive particles ones on SSDs the issues the excitement the joy and pain and trauma actually also that they would be good report so. We talk a little bit more about assisting a couple weeks yet awesome and and thank you so much for your time ladies and gentlemen if you have not been the website and -- tech dot com after the PC hardware you should definitely. Go there and do some research some reading and find out really what's going on in terms of performance and technology we can you PC parts. Before you upgrade your machine trust me to be worth your time."






