Heroes Season 2 - what suprised you? [Archive]

taozoo4u

09-25-2007, 03:35 AM

About half way through the season premiere...All I have to say is I absolutely love this show...I did not expect to see Peter still alive...So my question to you guys is what surprised you most about the season premiere? Mine was Peter still alive and how far all of them have fallen since the season 1 finale...i.e. Peter is a drunk, Mohinder's family and work in shambles...The only one that seems to be doing ok is Parkman, sort of...Anyway, light up the posts...Later, Gary

umm first of all peter isn't a drunk, it's his brother Nathan thats a drunk, and what do you mean that Mohinders family is in shambles, last time i checked the only family mohinder had was his mother and im not even sure shes alive. but i liked the fact that Peter has amnesia and a bunch of drunk irish men need Ipods maybe there will be a cameo from Steve Jobs

tokenuser

09-25-2007, 04:00 AM

phunlee

09-25-2007, 04:02 AM

SPOILERS

Right? I'm supposed to say that first?

Not too many surprises. Did they reach their quota on asian actors? The englishman was a surprise. I love Takei's character, I hope to see him in future episodes still.

Isn't the Patrelli Matriarch rumored to have a power? I always thought it was teleporting, cause she seemed to be everywhere she always needed/wanted to be. I want more back story on her.

Theories on who the hit-man was? I was chugging a beer on his/her brief onscreen time.

I'm glad to have it back, I hope some more color comes back to the show soon. Ancient Japan was the only happiness I felt the whole episode, and even that was kind of sad.

OH! Claire's new Alien friend is that Matthew Broderick-spitting kid from Election. His face always makes me mad. Why couldn't he keep his mouth shut? but I digress...

mltvcocktail

09-25-2007, 04:06 AM

Awesome season premiere, Is it a rule now that fallen heroes must have mountain man beards and be drunks i.e. Nathan and Jack from Lost. Also I love the "My Two Dads" setup of Mohinder, Matt and Molly (who does she keep drawing?). Matt was pretty bad-ass at his detective test btw. I was almost expecting Claire and the *****y cheerleader captain to have a "Bring it" off. Not sure what to make of the new characters Maya and her brother. The company guy who turns things into gold has my kind of power. Definitely didn't see Takezo was a British guy. Can't wait to see what happened to Peter. But the best part? No Niki, Micah, DL! Weakest plot line ever!

taozoo4u

09-25-2007, 04:08 AM

(who does she keep drawing?)

she is drawing the man worst than Sylar

gojira

09-25-2007, 04:19 AM

yodaizmyhomie

09-25-2007, 07:11 AM

Season 1 had its' moments, but overall I think it was merely okay. Season 2 starts the same way. It was okay, nothing too interesting happened. The only story line I'm really interested in right now is Hiro's and Peter's.

Going to have to agree with you there. The first four episodes of the series was good, but after each episode now, I keep wondering why I watched it. I'm really not seeing what everyone else sees in this show I guess. To me, it's completely predictable and now they just use characters (with random powers) to fill plot points.

sugarsickness

09-25-2007, 08:20 AM

Going to have to agree with you there. The first four episodes of the series was good, but after each episode now, I keep wondering why I watched it. I'm really not seeing what everyone else sees in this show I guess. To me, it's completely predictable and now they just use characters (with random powers) to fill plot points.
Didn't we get a second flying guy?

I understand that there are certain staple powers that "have" to be included but I don't think I have seen a single interesting power through out the whole show.

This episode was boring. It's like they all spend the first season working into this one final moment (Which was anti climactic and Sylar didn't even die - which we all knew he didn't right then anyway) where they all finally meet and then they all go their separate ways. I hope this new enemy guy is a Sandman-esque dream hopper guy. That could potentially be awesome.

lavahot

09-25-2007, 09:08 AM

The single biggest surprise was that Ned Ryerson has the Midas touch. Other than that, i wasn't too surprised about peter or his brother being alive, because they were all alive in the promotions. Other surprises: Old Jap Hero is English, Claire doesn't rock the boat, and Police Guy got divorced after the whore had his baby. I was surprised that they killed off Sulu so fast without us even learning what his power was, at least, that's what it looks like. Not surprised that the killer wasn't revealed, bastards.

sugarsickness

09-25-2007, 09:45 AM

The single biggest surprise was that Ned Ryerson has the Midas touch. Other than that, i wasn't too surprised about peter or his brother being alive, because they were all alive in the promotions.
Or because in the episode that shows a possible future they told us Peter was the bomb that lead to that future but he survived it then.

mcsurvey

09-25-2007, 09:49 AM

Pleasantly suprised to see the dude who played Sark in Alias as the samurai guy.

darthender

09-25-2007, 11:08 AM

Basically, its like last season. Where there's too many completely separate characters, some of which I just don't give a shit about. And those plots take time away from the ones I actually want to see.

This time, instead of Jessica/DL/Micah, it's Claire. I just don't give a crap about Claire and Noah anymore.

kiko3642

09-25-2007, 12:49 PM

I was very surprised to see Marc Echo in the final scenes of the episode. otherwise it wasn't so great. Nathan's beard is awesome though...

tnvwboy

09-25-2007, 01:27 PM

Guess I'll be the fan boy here and say I loved it...ate it right up. I was so worried after the end of the 1st season that the momentum would be lost. Does not appear to be the case for me.

One thing that was disappointing is that there is back story that happened in the comics that, while not critical, would have helped viewers. My wife never reads the comics and was completely confused by Alejandro and Maya.

Only a few mild surprises but I thought it was decent setup for the season.

dredericktatum

09-25-2007, 02:20 PM

I was surprised that the unabomber killed Mr. Sulu and Claire's new friend is Peter Pan.

kickarse

09-25-2007, 02:43 PM

I loved it too...

As I've figured before that Hiro is actually/probably Takei.

I was wondering when Claire's dad would snap when that "manager" kept giving him orders. I was like f*yeah when he almost broke his fingers.

It was definitely a suprise to see Peter still alive (he looked like he did some heavy weight training in the container btw), that "Takei" was english, that Claire's dad was working at Copy World (Staples), that kid flies.

I liked the whole scheme with Mohinder and Claire's dad, taking down Ned Ryerson and "company".

OH at first I thought Alejandro was the chupacabra (trs throwback), but when he got to the truck it was obvious that SHE was.

deegraww

09-25-2007, 02:46 PM

Man I can't wait to watch this tonight when I get home!

magunwarrior

09-25-2007, 02:55 PM

Anyone want to tell me how the **** Nathan survived?

kahunablair

09-25-2007, 03:14 PM

Anyone want to tell me how the **** Nathan survived?

Sure can. He threw his brother.

http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/9/9/25/f_untitledm_e153cc0.png

tnvwboy

09-25-2007, 03:16 PM

Anyone want to tell me how the **** Nathan survived?

This is my theory:
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/1561/peternathanboom1ao6.th.jpg (http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=peternathanboom1ao6.jpg)

EDIT: Better version. I used InkScape to make this one. Man I wish I had Illustrator and Photoshop here at work. <sigh>

kahunablair

09-25-2007, 03:17 PM

This is my theory:
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6623/nathanpeterboomom7.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nathanpeterboomom7.jpg)

Just barely beat you to it brother!
Great minds, eh?

tnvwboy

09-25-2007, 03:17 PM

Sure can. He threw his brother.
Damn... you were faster! :P

gglynn00

09-25-2007, 03:28 PM

umm first of all peter isn't a drunk, it's his brother Nathan thats a drunk, and what do you mean that Mohinders family is in shambles, last time i checked the only family mohinder had was his mother and im not even sure shes alive. but i liked the fact that Peter has amnesia and a bunch of drunk irish men need Ipods maybe there will be a cameo from Steve Jobs

Sorry I meant Nathan was a drunk...thanks for the correction...And about Mohinder's family, I found it odd that they mentioned that his father's works were either in a bargain bin or next to alien abduction books. This is a far step back from what I think that he and Mohider wanted his legacy to be...I'm sure it will turn out that Mohider and his father's legacy will recover towards the end of the series, I just hate to see Mohider have to deal with it now.

gglynn00

09-25-2007, 03:36 PM

Pleasantly suprised to see the dude who played Sark in Alias as the samurai guy.

I love him...I think he plays a great part in everything he does...I wasn't sure that was him or not, so I didn't want to say anything and get hammered by everyone...Like I did mixing Peter and Nathan...give me a break I was more than half drunk...I felt like Peter Griffin when got in trouble for Reading while drunk in a library...Alchohol + typing + forums = bad news...

mrpopular

09-25-2007, 03:45 PM

I hope peter gets some good episode time next week. My personal thought is Peter should really be main focus main star of the show.. But they always seem to put him on the side or only show a little bit.. sure Hiro & Claire Rock.. But i could probabley watch the show if Peter was the only star.

deegraww

09-25-2007, 04:03 PM

buckyflyer

09-25-2007, 04:15 PM

Why is Nathan alive?

deegraww

09-25-2007, 04:22 PM

I've asked this before but where (either in the shows or on the comics and what not) did they say that Sylar eats the brains?

godmode

09-25-2007, 04:23 PM

my wish didnt come true...they kept that lame ass Nikki/Jessica storyline.
ill always think of Ned Ryerson from Groundhog Day, so i cant see him as an intimidating head of "The Company". He has a goofy cartoony voice.
Noah Benett = awesome badass
The whole little kid/boogeyman storyline seems a little cliched.
I like that fact that the great Kensei is a white dude, and shows how history can be distorted and embellished in stories. Hiro is still my favourite hero.
Sulu's death...meh...
Peter's survival...interesting, id like to see where they go with it. Wonder who abducted him.
Hispanic siblings story...ok..

more fragmented thoughts later

gglynn00

09-25-2007, 04:39 PM

I've asked this before but where (either in the shows or on the comics and what not) did they say that Sylar eats the brains?

I don't know where this came from either...The only thing I can figure is that people see the hollowed out head and assume that he ate the part that is supposed to be in there...I guess...since the brain isn't around the body...I think it would be cool if he pickled them in a jar in his lair...He would have shelves lined with them...ok, totally dorky...

kahunablair

09-25-2007, 06:32 PM

I've asked this before but where (either in the shows or on the comics and what not) did they say that Sylar eats the brains?

God Bless Wiki....

In "Fallout", Mr. Bennet mentions that Sylar's powers are a product of using foreign DNA to alter his own. However, the series has left it intentionally ambiguous as to how Sylar does so once he removes a victim's brain. In a March 22, 2007, interview executive producer Tim Kring, when asked if Sylar eats brains, laughed that "that's the popular speculation. There is a connection between the powers and the brain - and Sylar has found it. Early in season 2, you'll find out what he's been doing with the brains." Bryan Fuller also explained in an interview that the original concept was that "[Sylar] kills people and he eats their brains and he, like, digests their power"; however, in order to avoid the potential silliness and zombie associations, they decided to deliberately make this fact vague in the series.[6] Whether or not Sylar's cannibalism is literal or metaphorical, various episodes express his assimilation of powers in cannibalistic language. For example, in "Parasite", Sylar loses his composure when demanding the list of heroes Mohinder is compiling, saying, "Give me that damn list! So I can ... sink my teeth in!" In "The Hard Part", Molly Walker, who witnessed her parents die at Sylar's hands, is more direct about this fact. When Mohinder says that they're going to stop Sylar, she claims that the Bogeyman (referring to Sylar) "sees into your soul and then it eats your brain."

So apparently he did originally was written as eating the brains, but then they changed it to make it more vague.
Then in the finale, they had the little girl acknowledge he eats the brains. So it's a wee bit confusing, but it has been mentioned by the creators.

deegraww

09-25-2007, 06:39 PM

Much thanks. Cause I was thinking if I had to eat brains to gain powers I would be one powerless Tard.

no-pulse

09-25-2007, 07:36 PM

I think there was about 10-15 mins of the show I actually enjoyed.

Im a HUGE heroes fan, and just finished up the HD-DVD version of Season 1 about 10 minutes before the Second season started last night.

That was a mistake. The whole start of the show was dull and boring.

I hope this isnt a sign of things to come.

deegraww

09-25-2007, 07:39 PM

Do you not remember the first few episodes of season 1?

no-pulse

09-25-2007, 07:46 PM

The first few episodes of Heroes had me hooked...

If the next two episodes are as dull as this first one, I may skip this season.

no-pulse

09-25-2007, 07:48 PM

Sure can. He threw his brother.

http://img31.picoodle.com/img/img31/9/9/25/f_untitledm_e153cc0.png

Dont forget, Peter _can_ fly too...

Not sure if he can use more than one power at a time though.

deegraww

09-25-2007, 07:51 PM

Dont forget, Peter _can_ fly too...

Not sure if he can use more than one power at a time though.

Wasn't he invisible throwing things with his mind in that episode where they didn't save the world? where he had the Scar hiro was talking about?

kahunablair

09-25-2007, 07:59 PM

Dont forget, Peter _can_ fly too...

Not sure if he can use more than one power at a time though.

He can fly, but the whole point of him exploding was supposedly because of the fact that he lost control of his powers.
After all if he was in control, he would have just flown away and wouldn't have needed Nathan's assist.

phunlee

09-25-2007, 08:09 PM

Anyone want to tell me how the **** Nathan survived?

My best guess is he flew really high, really fast, dropped ole' Petey and got the f*** out of there before he went all kablooey.

gglynn00

09-25-2007, 08:34 PM

My best guess is he flew really high, really fast, dropped ole' Petey and got the f*** out of there before he went all kablooey.

Yeah, I guess...I thought it was cool when season 1 ended, it seemed that Nathan made an unselfish sacrifice to save the city/world/whatever...Meaning he took Peter into the air and held onto him until the explosion. Thus ending Nathan. This sacrifice was totally different from the Nathan character who only thought of himself and his career before that night. When it happened I thought, "Wow, there was some good in him after all." Thinking that he was dead. Now that he's alive what are they going to do with him? He did his part. Is he still a Senator? Why the Grizzly Adams beard? I know this will be answered in later episodes but I guess that is what I get for reading too much into things...

Addition: If that's the case that he's still alive, they should have started season 2 with what went on in the air before the explosion...I can see it now with Peter telling Nathan, "Drop me! I'm high enough, get out of here." (I should write scripts, ha ha)...

no-pulse

09-25-2007, 09:49 PM

Addition: If that's the case that he's still alive, they should have started season 2 with what went on in the air before the explosion...I can see it now with Peter telling Nathan, "Drop me! I'm high enough, get out of here." (I should write scripts, ha ha)...

yeah, I thought it was really lame that they went 4 months into the future.

I also wanted to know what happened with the Senator stuff. Does the world think he's dead now? Did he quit?

Also I wouldve liked to see Mohinder and Parkman deciding what to do and Noah and Mohinder teaming up together...

First episode of season two = flop

ironcx

09-25-2007, 10:04 PM

I thought last night's episode was a disappointment. What was with that dinner table scene at Claire's. It seemed pointless. Plus I hated the blatant product placement/commercial with the Car.
I still enjoy the show, but there are too many characters to care about. I hope the writers can figure out where they're going with the show.

tokenuser

09-25-2007, 10:11 PM

I thought last night's episode was a disappointment. What was with that dinner table scene at Claire's. It seemed pointless. Plus I hated the blatant product placement/commercial with the Car.Perhaps ... I am guessing you fast forwarded through the ads as well, and missed the fact they are giving away a car a day this week for answering a simple question from the show :p

no-pulse

09-25-2007, 10:53 PM

Yeah, I brought that up with a few people here at work. I wonder how many times they will refer to the NISSAN ROUGE this season.

Everyone I work with forgot about the Versa placement in the first season... I think just about every episode they mentioned Hiro and Ando's car by name.

tokenuser

09-25-2007, 10:58 PM

Yeah, I brought that up with a few people here at work. I wonder how many times they will refer to the NISSAN ROUGE this season.Do they really want to drive a Rouge? Wont the car suck their powers from them??

Hmmm. Nissan Peter? Nissan Sylar?

ironcx

09-25-2007, 11:01 PM

I guess the money paid for the placement worked, both of us remembered the name of the Car. I just thought it was so lame how they wrote it into the show.

Another gripe of mine was with the family dinner scene at Claire's, what was up with that? I was only half paying attention, but it seemed somewhat pointless.

no-pulse

09-25-2007, 11:27 PM

I just thought it was so lame how they wrote it into the show.

"You mean I can have THE ROUGE?!?!?" -Claire

What a way to start an episode.

I thought to myself WTF is a ROUGE? Then I found out about 6 times when the commercial repeated itself over, and over, and over again.

As for the dinner scene. Im not sure, maybe they were just going for some kind of comedy. Seemed pretty worthless...

I still want to know if DL has Linderman's ability now.

phunlee

09-25-2007, 11:37 PM

It's Rogue people! Come on!

Okay, just had to say it. Rouge is the color red in french, as in your favorite movie, Moulin Rouge. :D ha-ha. ha. haa?

rickweasel

09-25-2007, 11:40 PM

EP 5=Kristen Bell

ohhh yeah! Its been a while since i seen her act.

buenosdias

09-25-2007, 11:41 PM

Personally I think that the reasons why the beginning of this season seemed a little lackluster are:

1) There had never been a superhero television show with this kind of format so everyone was really intrigued with where it would go. They finished off the season very well but they couldn't move on to the next season with the brothers Petrelli dead and gone. I would have personally liked it if the producers had the balls to just let them be dead. I wouldn't even have minded following the story of the grieving mother who lost her sons instead of having them be alive and dealing with what happened.

2) The new Claire story was dumb. Car placement, "Aliens and Robots", That 70's show-esque table scene. Can we please have some angst instead of a self actualized teenager? Thanks

3) They tried to cram too much show into an hour. The new characters could have easily made their way into the show in the first episode and then meet up with the last season stories. Give us a "save the cheerleader, save the world." break okay. I want new heroes with new powers and I want the old cast to slowly integrate into the bigger picture. Tease us with origins and new villains. Don't try and make Noah an ambiguous bad guy again, and play out that whole "I've got a secret, I need to protect you." thing again.

4) They made Hiro a big dumbass again. Hiro went through some life altering changes last season and they dumbed him up. The samurai Englishman twist was cool, but it seemed like they were trying to make him like Paul Bettany from "A Knights Tale." I could have stood a more original character in that role.

Overall the show had some definite weak points that the writers and producers are going to have to address, but at this point in time I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say that it will all be fine. It was a good show and I found myself definitely excited about the upcoming season.

no-pulse

09-25-2007, 11:57 PM

It's Rogue

My bad. im at work, and trying to make it look like im working. ;)

bradschl

09-27-2007, 02:43 PM

As much as I rolled my eyes at the cheesiness of Peter having amnesia, I'm really excited about that storyline. I like the idea of this guy with all these crazy super powers and not knowing about them.

Also I was pleased to see Mr. Bennet and Mohinder working together.

The one story line I'm not at all excited about, and this makes me sad, is Hiro's. I love the character, but I could see the end of his time with Takezo (or however you spell it) almost as soon as it started. The hero worshipper will teach him how to actually be a hero, finding he had it in him all along, blah blah blah.

Just has the potential to be extremely predictable, though I was pleased to find out this "hero" was just an englishman who pays people to die for him.

mrpopular

09-27-2007, 03:30 PM

It looks like a good begining... but hopefully it's not season 1.5 for Peter.

I have these dreams sometimes I'm Flying sometimes i'm falling..

geekluv

09-27-2007, 05:23 PM

I have mixed feelings about the episode. Honestly, I wasn't impressed (and I was a HUGE fan of last season). Maybe this season is going to play out like the last, with the first few episodes as (slow, drawn out) build up and then everything will pick up pace. I hope that's the case.

I am very curious about Molly's "Boogieman" and how that will play out.

Not surprised at all that Peter is alive although I was surprised that Nathan is. The whole Peter lost his memory thing is a bit annoying and played out.

I'll keep watching and we can all meet again here next week to keep discussing :)

mrugly

09-27-2007, 07:04 PM

[QUOTE=gglynn00;207316]I love him...I think he plays a great part in everything he does...QUOTE]

I liked the idea of Kensei being a con-artist, but I didn't like the guy that played him. I needed more out of him.

valoharth

09-27-2007, 07:09 PM

I liked the episode however I think that they did put a little much in the first show however thats how it always seems.

Anyone else think the Hitman looked like Peter?

kahunablair

09-27-2007, 07:22 PM

I liked the episode however I think that they did put a little much in the first show however thats how it always seems.

Anyone else think the Hitman looked like Peter?

Not a bad suggestion. Maybe his storyline isn't happening at the same time as the rest of the show.
Maybe they're going to pull a Lost-style twist and have everything we've seen of him be what happens after this season is over.

zebracakes

09-27-2007, 08:55 PM

I actually enjoyed the episode. Really, it was like every other heroes episode to me. Even though I love the series, it usually runs really slow except for the occasional action sequence. And I'm always pissed at the end of an episode b/c I want more(this is also where heroes beats lost, because I know I'll get an answer soon enough).

How can anybody be suprised that Peter is alive? He survived the bomb in the original time line. Why wouldn't he now? The memory loss is annoying, but I'm guessing Nathan didn't catch him after throwing him(which is also an assumption), resulting in a massive wanging to the head.

George Takei had better not be dead.

Dazabrit

09-27-2007, 08:59 PM

You never know... we might still see the 'Nathan chucks Peter' scene (and a couple of others). I take it you know Hiro and Peter can travel through time, right?? :p

jonathand-gordon

09-27-2007, 11:39 PM

Admittedly Heroes is not my favorite show. But it is good. I am seriously hoping that we do not see the NBC curse of these great first season sci-fi shows that just fall off season 2.

atom12

09-28-2007, 12:15 AM

Surprising moments?

Hiro breaking the temporal prime directive - he should know better, now how is he going to fix things ... get his mom and dad to kiss at the enchantment under the sea da... never mind. I think I was channel surfing.

I think Hiro's intervention (what I think will happen in the next episode) is what causes the legend to build to keep the time line he is from straight. :cool:

He'll pop Kensai (sp?) back before the village burns down....

Just my 2 cents. :)

hoaznod

09-28-2007, 07:58 AM

I was surprised that absolutely nothing special happened in the episode. I'm also surprised that the general consensus was that it was a very good episode. I don't hate the show. I just think it's definitely not as good as it could be. I know I'm in the minority, but I wrote down my thoughts as the episode was being played so I could write up a review in my blog so I thought I'd share some of them.

SPOILERS1!!!!

- How the hell did Hiro move a freaking horse. I thought he could bend time (time travel) or stop time to move himself (which looks like instant transmition). I don't recall him having the strength to move a horse.

- Everything in the high school was ridiculous. Teaching evolution on the first day of school? in a chemistry classroom? cheerleaders practicing while PE is going on? father-daughter generic talk right after the product placement.

- Then the Claire actually feels pain when she falls from that cheerleader platform. I thought she doesn't feel pain.

- Hiro's dad is killed by...a dude tackling him off the side of the building...

- And Peter's alive with amnesia. Who would of thought...were people actually surprised?

- The most painfully awkward dinner scene EVER. No point to it, and the quality of dialogue just isn't high enough to pull off a scene like that.

- Hiro isn't smart enough to realize that he's the one that builds the legend of Takezo Kensei?

- Also, the siblings have way too much sexual tension.

I've always believed that the show does the powers aspect of the show horribly, and that the action and plot was incredibly standard. That's pretty much what the episode was. I dunno, I'm sure most people felt different and I'd like to know why.

lemonquist

09-28-2007, 09:58 AM

- Then the Claire actually feels pain when she falls from that cheerleader platform. I thought she doesn't feel pain.

I thought she did feel pain, just regenerated quickly (barring anything smacking into her brain)

darthender

09-28-2007, 10:30 AM

You know what bothers me most about Heroes?

It's that one of the big themes of the show is supposedly evolution.

That a member of a species has a mutation, and if that mutation proves benefitial, then that members descendents would thrive.

The problem with Heroes, and it's the same problem I have with X-Men, is that the children of people with powers always have DIFFERENT powers than their parents. If your a mutant, your kids don't have different random mutations, they have YOUR mutation.

Micah should super strong, or able to walk through walls, or be super strong AND able to walk through walls. Not, "Oh I control machines." Claire should fly and light fires, but instead she regenerates.

It just seems real stupid to me to base the entire theme of your show on evolution with Suresh and then not to actually follow evolution.

kahunablair

09-28-2007, 01:24 PM

Why is everyone complaining about the Nissan Rouge being mentioned?
Nissan paid the advertising cost of the entire premiere. There were only 3 commercials in an hour long show, and one of those was when Claire mentioned the Rouge.
You can't ***** about product placement if it takes out commercials and gives us more show.

- How the hell did Hiro move a freaking horse. I thought he could bend time (time travel) or stop time to move himself (which looks like instant transmition). I don't recall him having the strength to move a horse.

So he froze time in the pilot and ran to NY? Nope, Hiro has teleportation powers as well.

- Then the Claire actually feels pain when she falls from that cheerleader platform. I thought she doesn't feel pain.

She does feel pain. Everytime she got hurt last season she did so with pain.

- Hiro's dad is killed by...a dude tackling him off the side of the building...

Well whoever that was that killed him could either fly, or survive a fall so how should they have killed him? It looks like an accident and he was killed by someone using their powers.

- Also, the siblings have way too much sexual tension.

Really?

I've always believed that the show does the powers aspect of the show horribly, and that the action and plot was incredibly standard. That's pretty much what the episode was. I dunno, I'm sure most people felt different and I'd like to know why.
I'm in the same boat with you though. Heroes is the most homogenized take on what a Superhero show could be. Pretty much every storyline has been done before in comics.
But it's not horrible and it's the best hero show we've seen on TV, so take what you can get.

magunwarrior

09-28-2007, 01:27 PM

kahunablair

09-28-2007, 02:05 PM

Indeed, remember how many times Hiro said "Nissan Versa" last season?

Unlike this week and the fact that it really is an obvious product placement, I actually thought the Versa was a funny running gag last year.

hoaznod

09-28-2007, 04:23 PM

Sorry, I don't really know how to do the quote thing so I'll just try this...

"So he froze time in the pilot and ran to NY? Nope, Hiro has teleportation powers as well."

I don't really know the reasoning but I always thought he stopped time, stood still, and let the planet rotate because 5 weeks passed by. If he had teleportation powers it would of been instant.

"She does feel pain. Everytime she got hurt last season she did so with pain."

It's been awhile, but I don't recall her ever feeling any pain relating to fire (as seen in this episode). I don't recall her feeling pain from the first episode's attempt to kill herself. Although I do seem to recall her feeling pain when accidentally cutting herself. I'd have to go back and look but either way it's inconsistent.

"Well whoever that was that killed him could either fly, or survive a fall so how should they have killed him? It looks like an accident and he was killed by someone using their powers."

You can kill people with guns and make it look like an accident. I don't see how you can't kill someone with powers that 99.9% of the people in the world don't believe exist and not make it an accident. Plus they are introducing a new character (maybe) and you can make up whatever power you want.

"Really?"

Yeah...just me?

"I'm in the same boat with you though. Heroes is the most homogenized take on what a Superhero show could be. Pretty much every storyline has been done before in comics.
But it's not horrible and it's the best hero show we've seen on TV, so take what you can get."

While it might be the best hero show on tv, what other powers shows have there been? Mutant X? Maybe I don't like it because the show could be 3x better. I agree it's not a horrible show because it does extremely well in the drama department, but as anything scifi, powers, or action related it's well below average.

no-pulse

09-28-2007, 05:10 PM

It's been awhile, but I don't recall her ever feeling any pain relating to fire (as seen in this episode). I don't recall her feeling pain from the first episode's attempt to kill herself. Although I do seem to recall her feeling pain when accidentally cutting herself. I'd have to go back and look but either way it's inconsistent.

Season 1 her brother asks her if 'it hurts' her, and she says 'every time'.

So, she feels pain.

kahunablair

09-28-2007, 05:43 PM

Sorry, I don't really know how to do the quote thing so I'll just try this...
This button my good man, will give you Quote blocks.
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I don't really know the reasoning but I always thought he stopped time, stood still, and let the planet rotate because 5 weeks passed by. If he had teleportation powers it would of been instant.
Well the NY thing was also a Time jump for some reason. He's also teleported away instantly to places.

It's been awhile, but I don't recall her ever feeling any pain relating to fire (as seen in this episode). I don't recall her feeling pain from the first episode's attempt to kill herself. Although I do seem to recall her feeling pain when accidentally cutting herself. I'd have to go back and look but either way it's inconsistent.
Well the best answer I have for the inconsistency is the fact that she isn't really a great actress. She's not bad, but she's not great either.

You can kill people with guns and make it look like an accident. I don't see how you can't kill someone with powers that 99.9% of the people in the world don't believe exist and not make it an accident. Plus they are introducing a new character (maybe) and you can make up whatever power you want.

I only used the flying and teleporting as examples. Whatever new powers they gave this new guy are probably going to pay off somewhere down the line, and maybe that's why they introduced them this way.
Maybe it's a new Future Hiro.

While it might be the best hero show on tv, what other powers shows have there been? Mutant X? Maybe I don't like it because the show could be 3x better. I agree it's not a horrible show because it does extremely well in the drama department, but as anything scifi, powers, or action related it's well below average.
That's my point. This show is a drama first and fore most. The Mutant, sci-fi stuff is all secondary, so don't be upset when it doesn't make to much sense.

hoaznod

09-28-2007, 06:13 PM

I guess I find all the secondary stuff so important because in my head it could be so much better, and I can imagine what I wish a certain scene was like. I've always believed that the difference between an amazing show and a decent show is it's ability figure out the secondary stuff. Whether it be dialogue, action, plot twists, or the sci-fi aspect. Not to hate again, but I have the same problem with Battlestar Galactica. It does drama very well, but anything other than that is significantly lacking and yet loads of people think it's an incredible show. Similarly to Heroes, the characters are bland (save one or two), the dialogue is lacking, and the sci-fi part really isn't there. Meh...I'm probably just expecting too much. That's what my friends usually say.

It's just that so many people already think it's the best show in the world and I fell it's up to me to stand up and be like no it's really not. Just like I want to run over anyone who tells me that Soulja Boy is awesome. Like I've read some good reviews of Bionic Woman as well as friends telling me it was good and I can't help but choke back the punch to the face I feel I should give those people.

Anyways, I guess it's a testament to the show to illicit so much discussion and opinions.

valoharth

09-28-2007, 07:38 PM

Not a bad suggestion. Maybe his storyline isn't happening at the same time as the rest of the show.
Maybe they're going to pull a Lost-style twist and have everything we've seen of him be what happens after this season is over.

Actually Peter can travel through time since he has been around Hiro and absorbed his powers so he might have become brainwashed and gone back in time to pick off these people.

kahunablair

09-28-2007, 08:53 PM

Actually Peter can travel through time since he has been around Hiro and absorbed his powers so he might have become brainwashed and gone back in time to pick off these people.

Very nice. Didn't think about that option.

darknessgp

09-28-2007, 09:43 PM

Well the NY thing was also a Time jump for some reason. He's also teleported away instantly to places.

To try and put an end to the "I thought hiro could only time travel" stuff... Hiro, himself, said that he could bend time AND space. Meaning instantly traveling anywhere at any point in time, this also applies to "teleporting" people, objects, horses, etc. to any point in space and time. As far as the episodes where Hiro stopped time and then used his own strength to do something, like the car scene with DL. It's clear that at that time, and even earlier Hiro didn't completely understand his power. The same way Peter learned that he could tap into powers previously gained, and how to control them for the most part.

Does anyone think that the ancient sword smith knows about powers/ the person worse than Sylar? I mean, he forged Hiro's sword that has the symbol on it, not to mention that fake Kensai had a flag with the symbol on it. IMO there is more there about the sword smith and his daughter than just Hiro needing to fix the ancient time line.

no-pulse

09-28-2007, 10:35 PM

Does anyone think that the ancient sword smith knows about powers/ the person worse than Sylar? I mean, he forged Hiro's sword that has the symbol on it, not to mention that fake Kensai had a flag with the symbol on it. IMO there is more there about the sword smith and his daughter than just Hiro needing to fix the ancient time line.

I dont know why I thought of the guy in the sword store from Season 1 when I read the above text, but maybe there's a connection? The sword dealer in Season 1 had the symbol in his shop.... :D

ramshaw

09-28-2007, 11:45 PM

I thought that the season premiere was only ok too I loved the prior season but I hope this one is just a slow burner. To me it just seemed like nothing much happened at all in this episode.

phunlee

09-29-2007, 05:01 AM

So, I'm rewatching Monday's Hereos.

I get to the part back from commercial where Ando meets "Sulu" in NYC, next to the big red DNA strand. Ando bumps into a grizzly looking man, who we get to see is Nathan Patrelli sporting this year's latest homeless styles.

I didn't see this discussed before, so my apologies if it has been. 77 posts is a lot to got thru.

Anyways. That's right before the part where Hiro's dad gets the photo that's his death sentence. Did Nathan plant it on him with a little slight of hand he learned on the streets? (or do they teach you that in politician school?) Nathan is also in the hallway right before his mother leaves the apartment and sees a death warrant of her own.

Also, his killer falls with him but never lands, flys away??? dunt-dunt-dUUUNT!!

Anyways, unless this is a total red herring, I'm keeping an eye out for Nathan as the bad guy. With a Peter v. Nathan finale w/Syler possibly doing some good this season (a la Xmen2 where the good and bad guys team up, but not quite so cleanly)

If i'm proven wrong, I owe you a Coke.

Later.

serenity

09-29-2007, 05:41 AM

kilroyperrywinkle

09-29-2007, 05:47 AM

I love this damn show... its like Lost only I care about what happens.

az0madman

09-29-2007, 08:44 AM

Okay, so I just started watching Heroes, but I'm all caught up now (season 1 in 4 Days)! Felt like watching a very long but awesome movie when watching an entire season in a small amount of time. Very satisfying ending (minus the final battle), which helped make it feel more like a movie.

Season 2 is starting off okay, a little slow but hopefully it'll pick up back to what season 1 was. The one thing I don't like right now is the new "bad guy" the little girl is so afraid of. I always hate it when there's that bigger baddy that was completely non-existant until now (or until the obvious mention at the end of of season 1).

johnnyswift

09-29-2007, 09:34 AM

I've had the season opener on my computer since Monday but haven't watched it yet.

I will, eventually - but the season finale of season 1 was such a let down for me that I'm not even remotely excited about watching it. I will, but I'm not biting my nails to see it or anything.

sugarsickness

09-29-2007, 03:28 PM

"I'm in the same boat with you though. Heroes is the most homogenized take on what a Superhero show could be. Pretty much every storyline has been done before in comics.
But it's not horrible and it's the best hero show we've seen on TV, so take what you can get."

While it might be the best hero show on tv, what other powers shows have there been? Mutant X? Maybe I don't like it because the show could be 3x better. I agree it's not a horrible show because it does extremely well in the drama department, but as anything scifi, powers, or action related it's well below average.

I'll say it again: The 4400 is so much more awesome than Heroes.

Brainwashed time traveling Peter would be kind of cool, and unexpected. Nathan being the assassin guy would be interesting too, I think, and I think I remember him calling his mother evil? Or something along those lines, so maybe they are planting some seeds for that. I'm gonna have to download it and rewatch, NBC is all fuzzy on my TV so a lot of subtitles I pretty much missed ><

And, yeah, this new big bad evil guy that was introduced in, what, the episode right before the finale is already really lame. They are probably never going to kill Sylar off anyway.

kwok_talk

09-29-2007, 04:36 PM

Just finally got around to watching it.

I'm glad Peter got a haircut.

darknessgp

09-29-2007, 04:39 PM

...
Season 2 is starting off okay, a little slow but hopefully it'll pick up back to what season 1 was. The one thing I don't like right now is the new "bad guy" the little girl is so afraid of. I always hate it when there's that bigger baddy that was completely non-existant until now (or until the obvious mention at the end of of season 1).

I kind of agree with that, as in shows doing the "We defeated ... Oh, hey there is suddenly this new enemy that is tougher and has almost no connection to the previous enemy." like how DragonBall Z went... but with Heroes, IMO it feels more like he's been here the whole time. I mean, like he is directly connected to the NYC bomb plan, maybe the master mind? Don't get me wrong, I can see your point, it's just that it doesn't feel like that to me.

geekluv

09-29-2007, 09:26 PM

I'm glad Peter got a haircut.

I have to strongly disagree with this.

serenity

09-29-2007, 09:44 PM

I have to strongly disagree with this.

My thoughts exactly. :)
I was loving the mountain man, shaggy haired Nathan though!

valoharth

09-29-2007, 10:09 PM

My thoughts exactly. :)
I was loving the mountain man, shaggy haired Nathan though!

Oh defently! Drunken hobo is sooo this year! Say good by to the Rum Soaked Pirate! HOBOCORE~! 4 LiFe

buenosdias

09-29-2007, 10:43 PM

hoaznod

09-29-2007, 11:14 PM

I'll say it again: The 4400 is so much more awesome than Heroes.

Man, I can't believe I forgot about the 4400. You are absolutely right. I have the whole fourth season on my computer but I haven't had time to watch it yet.

To try and put an end to the "I thought hiro could only time travel" stuff... Hiro, himself, said that he could bend time AND space. Meaning instantly traveling anywhere at any point in time, this also applies to "teleporting" people, objects, horses, etc. to any point in space and time. As far as the episodes where Hiro stopped time and then used his own strength to do something, like the car scene with DL. It's clear that at that time, and even earlier Hiro didn't completely understand his power. The same way Peter learned that he could tap into powers previously gained, and how to control them for the most part.

I don't recall Hiro ever instantly traveling anywhere without either a time loss, or that can be explained by him stopping time and then moving a certain distance thus looking like he moved instantly. To my knowledge, there's never been an explanation as to why he would be able to instantly teleport a foreign object with his touch like Goku.

Anyways, unless this is a total red herring, I'm keeping an eye out for Nathan as the bad guy. With a Peter v. Nathan finale w/Syler possibly doing some good this season (a la Xmen2 where the good and bad guys team up, but not quite so cleanly)

If the final battle is Peter vs. Nathan, I'm 99.97% sure Nathan would have his ass handed to him since everything Nathan can do, Peter can do. Unless the writers really screw that over. I'm hoping for a real Sylar vs. Peter fight, instead of that horrible fight we got where Mohinder of all people ends up overcapaciating Sylar. They could actually make the fight really freaking badass if they wanted to.

phunlee

09-30-2007, 12:06 AM

These are some more things I gathered from the episode: Nathan is the guy that killed George Takei, We haven't seen the "Boogeyman" that Molly is so terrified of, and Hiro is Kensei.

I will gladly explain if anyone cares to know how I drew these conclusions.

Please explain. But does it have anything to do with the boogey-man feeding Nathan info about the Company?

As in "The Boogey-man is to Emperor Palpatine as Nathan is to Darth Vader."

Also the 4400 has something going for it: I like how in the 4400-verse the people who get powers accept them and are so happy to have them and use them (usually). For whatever reason in Heroes, people just want to be plain ole' boring normal.

darknessgp

09-30-2007, 02:11 AM

...
I don't recall Hiro ever instantly traveling anywhere without either a time loss, or that can be explained by him stopping time and then moving a certain distance thus looking like he moved instantly. To my knowledge, there's never been an explanation as to why he would be able to instantly teleport a foreign object with his touch like Goku...

There was the "6 months ago" episode where it ended with him getting "dumped" into Japan present day. and he had a shocked look on his face, i.e. he didn't know where he was going. Same thing with traveling back to the 1600s, he ended up by Kyoto, Japan, unknown that he was going to be there, not to mention HE ****ING FELL OUT OF THE SKY. It wasn't like he walked there, he teleported right before he hit the building in the finale, and ended up landing in a field. Therefore he must be able to bend space as well as time. As far as being able to move other stuff, I refer you back to the episode where him AND ando go to the future. He can obviously touch someone else and cause them to go with him through time, so it makes perfect sense that he could do it for bending space as well.

lnknpk04

09-30-2007, 03:02 AM

I wasn't blown away by the episode, but it was pretty good. LOVE the fact that Sark is Kensei. So happy that Parkman is taking care of that cute little girl from Season 1. There's some good father/daughter chemistry between the two of them. Fingers crossed in hope that the next few episodes are a bit less of a slow burn.

hoaznod

09-30-2007, 08:47 AM

There was the "6 months ago" episode where it ended with him getting "dumped" into Japan present day. and he had a shocked look on his face, i.e. he didn't know where he was going. Same thing with traveling back to the 1600s, he ended up by Kyoto, Japan, unknown that he was going to be there, not to mention HE ****ING FELL OUT OF THE SKY. It wasn't like he walked there, he teleported right before he hit the building in the finale, and ended up landing in a field. Therefore he must be able to bend space as well as time. As far as being able to move other stuff, I refer you back to the episode where him AND ando go to the future. He can obviously touch someone else and cause them to go with him through time, so it makes perfect sense that he could do it for bending space as well.

I really don't think you are understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that every time he teleported a long distance (japan to nyc, nyc to japan) there has always been a time difference. Before the horse, he has never touched anything to teleport with him let alone do it without a time skip. The only time he can do anything without a time skip is when he can simply walk there. As in, stop time...walk forward...start time...BOOM looks like you teleported.

I also don't see why he can obviously touch someone else to go through time with him. The only way this would be obvious is if he's mastered bending space and time (which he hasn't) and he knew how to focus that power into another object (which he doesn't) and he could do it all without a time delay (which he still hasn't). The fact that your saying he's completely shocked when he jumps time means he has no idea how he does what he does.

sugarsickness

09-30-2007, 09:35 AM

darknessgp

09-30-2007, 02:54 PM

I really don't think you are understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that every time he teleported a long distance (japan to nyc, nyc to japan) there has always been a time difference. Before the horse, he has never touched anything to teleport with him let alone do it without a time skip. The only time he can do anything without a time skip is when he can simply walk there. As in, stop time...walk forward...start time...BOOM looks like you teleported.

I also don't see why he can obviously touch someone else to go through time with him. The only way this would be obvious is if he's mastered bending space and time (which he hasn't) and he knew how to focus that power into another object (which he doesn't) and he could do it all without a time delay (which he still hasn't). The fact that your saying he's completely shocked when he jumps time means he has no idea how he does what he does.

I understand your point of there was a time gap or the he stopped time and moved himself. My point was that there are times when he could not have moved himself, like the Season 1 finale where he is in the air and lands bak in Ancient Japan. There is physically no way he could move himself, except through a bending space/teleportation power. It should also be noted that I'm seperating bending space and bending time. i.e. He could teleport without effecting time, and likewise he could effect time without actually teleporting/bending space. And to combat what sugarsickness says, yes it looks instantaneous, though he could have stopped time for Him and Ando and ran there. making it look instantaneous. The fact is there are places in the show that without the notation of bending space, would deny the laws of physics.

"I also don't see why he can obviously touch someone else to go through time with him" Have you watched the show?!!!!! That's EXACTLY what happens in the episode ".07" Here's a quote off the heroes wiki about it...

Hiro takes the sword from the display and shouts "Yatta!" Ando tells Hiro not to worry about him and to just teleport out. Hiro refuses and says they're both going. He holds onto Ando and moments later they disappear, as Linderman's thugs burst into the room. They teleport to the Deveaux Building rooftop in the future and observe skyscrapers being rebuilt in New York City. Hiro claims that they didn't manage to stop the explosion and that they failed.

Clearly Hiro can touch someone and time travel with them. This is a fact set in the show, and it is that obvious. It makes sense that he'd be able to do it with bending space/teleporting as well...

"The fact that your saying he's completely shocked when he jumps time means he has no idea how he does what he does." Odd, I never said he knew what he was doing. I was bringing up the point that if he couldn't bend space, then he should know how he got there, i.e. He would have walked, etc...

enemybrick

09-30-2007, 07:59 PM

Well, 10 pages about episode one, whether you like the opener or not, it certainly has sparked some discussion.

I am still loving our Japanese characters' stories the most, Hiro's manipulation of the past (Hiro is totally Kensei himself) and Ando becoming a tad more important is always nice, he looks more mature, not quite the bumbling horny idiot that he was in the first season.
They need to make the hispanic siblings story be subtle, not just, "We go to New York, meet Mohinder, and are now part of the team". The sister seems to have a particularly dangerous power, and I hope they treat it as such.

hoaznod

09-30-2007, 11:32 PM

First of all, sugarsickness is trying to help you darknessgp. In his one sentence post, he responded to what I said and disproved it.

You...are still not understanding what I'm saying. I originally thought (before sugarsickness' comment) that Hiro can do two things.

1. Teleport large distances, but the side effect is going forward/backwards in time. (which with your repeated examples only prove my theory)
2. Stop time, walk a certain distance, start time, and it looks like he teleports.

I thought when time is stopped, he can move things out of the way thus making it look like he teleported them (poker cards, arrows, or the little girl he saved from a truck). This is why I was confused as to how he moved a giant horse and rider.

Then you cite and example of Hiro and Ando teleporting, but it takes them far into the future which just bolsters my claim. All I was saying, is that there hasn't been an example that anyone brought up (until sugarsickness' comment that is) of Hiro touching someone and teleporting them away without a loss or gain of time.

Wasn't there an episode with Hiro and Ando in Isaac's apartment with Sylar and they are hiding behind a painting and Sylar is moving slowly because he thinks someone is there... and Hiro teleports him and ando down to the street only to run into Sylar again down there after he leaves the apartment x.x If I'm remembering it correctly that seems somewhat instantaneous

This was in an episode titled "The Hard Part". I'll say you got me there, I didn't remember this part. To be nitpicky, I'll say that I thought Hiro, while touching Ando, stopped time so that both of them are able to move. Then they moved down the street together before Hiro started time. But I think you are right.

darknessgp

10-01-2007, 04:21 AM

...Then you cite and example of Hiro and Ando teleporting, but it takes them far into the future which just bolsters my claim. All I was saying, is that there hasn't been an example that anyone brought up (until sugarsickness' comment that is) of Hiro touching someone and teleporting them away without a loss or gain of time...

You do know his power is to bend the time space continuum right? That basically means that any loss or gain is pointless. My point is that for the power they are separate. Assuming he'd be at full power, He could teleport anywhere without any sort of time travel at all, e.g. instantaneously. Or he could effect time in any way, forward, backward, etc. without even moving from the spot he is standing.

Your point, IMO, is similar to mine, but extremely limiting. i.e. Can teleport but at the cost of randomly going through time? That's stupid, especially when we know he can also bend the time part of the space time continuum. yea, it'd be one more jump, as he could teleport to the place he wanted and then time travel to the exact time, but why could he do both at the same time? I mean it is one continuum that will be bending.

The thing about freezing time and moving thereby making it look like a teleport, I don't think should have even be brought up in a discussion that is basically about what the power can do, not necessarily what the person does. We know Hiro has the power to actually teleport. The fact that he has done the freeze time and move stuff only proves that like other characters on the show, he is learning his power and doesn't know what it is capable of yet.

taozoo4u

10-01-2007, 05:15 AM

100th post

joeyvesh13

10-02-2007, 12:23 AM

-west can fly
-peter's mind is wiped
-nathan is divorced

magunwarrior

10-02-2007, 01:49 AM

w00t w00t, 10 more minutes on teh east coast.

enemybrick

10-02-2007, 02:51 AM

Some spoilers..kinda, just a question I have..

Why dont any of the heroes seem to remember each other? Didnt Parkman meet Ando and Nathan previously? Was there some mind wipe I dont remember?

kiko3642

10-02-2007, 03:03 AM

not really a spoiler....maybe

Does anyone think that the character of Maya is the reworking of the folklore of La Llorona?

la llorona meaning weeping/crying woman.... the story usually involves kids... but yeah Maya seems to possess some of the basic elements of the legend that seems to be present in almost all of the tellings...

There are many variations of the story... but at the core elements are all the same... The crying and the dying... and a lot of grief on the Llorona's part (not in all)...not that i know all of them or anything but.....

and...

Who else thinks Nathan's beard is awesome?

magunwarrior

10-02-2007, 03:29 AM

Some spoilers..kinda, just a question I have..

Why dont any of the heroes seem to remember each other? Didnt Parkman meet Ando and Nathan previously? Was there some mind wipe I dont remember?

I thought the exact same thing...if anything Ando remembers Parkman from when Hiro along with him traveled to the future.

kahunablair

10-02-2007, 05:22 AM

I thought the exact same thing...if anything Ando remembers Parkman from when Hiro along with him traveled to the future.

Didn't Hiro get captured by Evil Parkman and Ando took off to recruit future Peter? I don't think that Ando ever met Parkman.
Ando got sent back to Japan by Hiro before the big meetup so he never came into contact with Parkman there.

As far as Nathan and Parkman, they only came into contact in Texas, and that was mentioned.

no-pulse

10-02-2007, 05:47 PM

So, what did everyone think?

I was more into this episode than the last one.

az0madman

10-02-2007, 06:03 PM

Overall, it was much better. It's hard to watch the show now after watching the first season's episodes back to back.

I like seeing people reuniting again. Mohindar and Parkman, the Haitian and Bennet. It doesn't feel like an entirely new show anymore (which is a good thing).

I think I'll enjoy next week's episode even more. It's building up, and I like that. Of course, the preview of next week and THE BOX was a bit melodramatic.

I'm kinda curious about Peter's powers. I thought he had to remember the people to use them, but if he has amnesia, how can he just pull them out of thin air (especially powers he didn't know he had, like DL and Niki's).

kahunablair

10-02-2007, 06:18 PM

I'm kinda curious about Peter's powers. I thought he had to remember the people to use them, but if he has amnesia, how can he just pull them out of thin air (especially powers he didn't know he had, like DL and Niki's).

I thought the same thing.
The best answer I could come up relates back to what The Invisible man, Claude, said. He said the way to bring the powers out was to use stress and anger. This was the way that the Empaths Claude knew activated their power.
Peter on the other hand did it with his memories. Maybe he still does it by using his anger, he just never had to.

hoaznod

10-03-2007, 02:50 AM

psbp516

10-03-2007, 03:03 AM

I thought this episode was pretty awesome. The Haitian erasing Mohinders memory (atleast the direction of that scene) was cool. The weeping mexican and her healing brother were cool. Claire's story line was surprisingly not extremely annoying. And peter using multiple powers in a row was very cool.
I'm still interested in the hiro storyline. I have a feeling that the white samurai guy has all the powers, and he is the "original" mutant. That could be awesome.

kahunablair

10-03-2007, 04:15 AM

I originally thought that Claire didn't feel pain, but then a bunch of people told me that she not only cringes every time but that she also said she did in one episode. So that question was put to rest.

But what I don't understand now is that, she doesn't ever feel the pain relative to what happens. I mean you put your entire hand in boiling water and keep it there, it's certainly a lot more painful than the small "owwww" she voices. I mean she's falling down from things, she's put back together a broken chest after she "died", and many more.

Did they ever explain if she just feels less pain because she's regenerating the whole time? or am I the only one that notices this.

I get what you're saying. I just think of it this way.
Imagine you have a horrible pain for a few seconds but you know the minute you remove your hand from the water the pain would go away and you'd heal up and feel no pain. Would you curl up into a ball and cry? Or would you realize that this hurts like heck, but it's over already?

darknessgp

10-03-2007, 05:02 AM

I thought the same thing.
The best answer I could come up relates back to what The Invisible man, Claude, said. He said the way to bring the powers out was to use stress and anger. This was the way that the Empaths Claude knew activated their power.
Peter on the other hand did it with his memories. Maybe he still does it by using his anger, he just never had to.

Actually, Claude told Peter to remember how the person made him feel. It was never about the person, but the feeling and emotion that is tied with it. Like when he is "fighting" with Claude on the roof top, and Claude swings the metal pole and Peter catches with Telekinesis. He wasn't remembering Sylar, but having that same feeling as he did when he fought Sylar. Or the Irish girl gave him a similar feeling that he got from Claire, thereby activating the healing.

One thing I really wish they would explain and probably will be explained is where did Peter for the lightening thing? His mother? We know she has some power. Maybe whoever found him after the explosion?

Or the subject of Claire feeling pain or not, It is also possible that she would at some point get used to the pain. Or like kahunablair said, she knows it'll be over in a few seconds and so doesn't outwardly do much at times.

kahunablair

10-03-2007, 06:04 AM

Actually, Claude told Peter to remember how the person made him feel. It was never about the person, but the feeling and emotion that is tied with it. Like when he is "fighting" with Claude on the roof top, and Claude swings the metal pole and Peter catches with Telekinesis. He wasn't remembering Sylar, but having that same feeling as he did when he fought Sylar. Or the Irish girl gave him a similar feeling that he got from Claire, thereby activating the healing.

It's actually the exact opposite of what you said my man. Claude didn't want him to remember his friends. Remember the whole following people and showing Peter what jerks they all were?
From Wiki...
The lessons commence in "Distractions". Claude tells Peter to separate himself from his loved ones. Peter fiercely disagrees, but Claude says that caring about people—particularly Nathan—is holding him back. Claude reminds Peter that he must learn to harness the powers he's previously mimicked intentionally (or face exploding), and without their inherent users present. Then, Claude pushes Peter off a tall building and tells him to fly. Peter falls onto a taxicab suffering fatal injuries, but survives by remembering Claire Bennet and mimicking her powers. Peter realizes that he does not need to push people out of his mind; he just needs to remember how those people made him feel to regain use of their abilities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Petrelli#Training

masterxell

10-03-2007, 06:16 PM

My biggest surprise was that Peter and Nathan were still alive (Though I guess in the end I really knew they would be), and after this recent episode, it's cool to know Claire can regenerate limbs, I find that freaking sweet.

kwok_talk

10-03-2007, 07:42 PM

I enjoyed the quick scene of Bennett looking up to see the Haitian. Claire's toe-cutting was interesting, but I really am getting sick of her stalker guy.

And as much as others disagree, I still am glad that Peter got a haircut. :rolleyes:

r3v

10-03-2007, 08:02 PM

Some thoughts:

- Hiro remains awesome and his storyline is fun.

- Peter's amnesia thing... ugh. I hate amnesia story lines. It's so soap opera-y. Can we have a "it was all a dream" storyline too? :/

- That said, yay for Cork, Ireland.

- Mr. Sulu. :(

- Creepy-flying-stalker-kid is annoying me too. He started out as the stereotypical, cool outsider character... but turned into a peeping tom who can fly.

- The toe regrowth was cool. Even with what she knows she is capable of, it was pretty ballsy to cut off your own toe with scissors, just to test it out.

- I'm glad the Haitian is back in action with HRG.

kahunablair

10-03-2007, 08:44 PM

az0madman

10-03-2007, 08:52 PM

Peter looks weird with the haircut. Reminds me of some other person... But I do prefer that look over emo peter, reminded me of Peter in Spider-man 3. He looks coolest when it's just slicked back.

As for that weird guy stalking Claire, I guess he needs to be introduced just so Claire can have a friend to interact with since her old one is gone (they really should bring him back though since he still knows). He'll probably be less annoying the more him and Claire get to know each other.

kahunablair

10-03-2007, 08:55 PM

So what's Stalker boy's powers? Is he just another Nathan? Or is there something else to his powers?
For example is he a teleknetic that just uses his powers to fly himself around.

Is it to early to be reusing the same powers? Kensei couldn't have had, say, iron skin instead of Claire's healing power? Stalker boy couldn't have the ability to teleport ala Nightcrawler so he could be a peeping tom that way?

tnvwboy

10-03-2007, 08:57 PM

I'm SO glad that Peter isn't such a damn wuss any more. The haircut helps too. Perhaps the next time he meets Sylar (whatever is going on with him) things will be very different.

Did you all read the online comic? Gave a little twist to the Haitian/Mohinder scene.

Claire is going to become a very important character I suspect. The fact that she really WANTS to be something more than she is suggests Noah won't be able to control her much longer.

denmmurray

10-03-2007, 09:06 PM

I bet kensei is a relative of claire's...

kahunablair

10-03-2007, 09:10 PM

I bet kensei is a relative of claire's...

That's the only reason for Kensei to have the same power.
When you think about it though, how much sense does that make?
Claire's parents can fly and control fire. She didn't get her healing from them.

tnvwboy

10-03-2007, 09:10 PM

I bet kensei is a relative of claire's...

Naw, he was just drinking magic sake, LOTS of it.

Actually I think you have something there...but he can't be the 'first' and only can he?

kwok_talk

10-03-2007, 09:15 PM

That's the only reason for Kensei to have the same power.
When you think about it though, how much sense does that make?
Claire's parents can fly and control fire. She didn't get her healing from them.

Agreed. I was surprised that Kensei healed. I totally thought they were going the route of having Hiro become Kensei

Also agreed on the healing thing. Unless it skips (a lot of) generations.

r3v

10-04-2007, 12:09 AM

That's the only reason for Kensei to have the same power.
When you think about it though, how much sense does that make?
Claire's parents can fly and control fire. She didn't get her healing from them.

Well, fact is, it's not the only reason. We haven't seen a single instance of inherited powers, though we have seen a couple of implications that if the parents are mutants, there's a greater chance the kids will be. (Maybe even 100% if it's both parents?)

We've now seen two powers reused (not counting Peter's ability to mimic): Healing and Flying. They've laid down no ground rules though, that state that all powers are unique. If these powers are the next step of human evolution (argh, that's not how that works, but ok...) there's no logical reason that two different people couldn't develop the same ability.

I thought it was interesting that Kensei seemed surpised that he wasn't dead. Either this is the first time this has happened to him (never superhealed before, or never HAD to) or it was filmed that way accidentally or to mislead.

kahunablair

10-04-2007, 12:41 AM

Well, fact is, it's not the only reason. We haven't seen a single instance of inherited powers, though we have seen a couple of implications that if the parents are mutants, there's a greater chance the kids will be. (Maybe even 100% if it's both parents?)
Exactly what I was saying. What I meant when I said "Only Reason", is that it was the reason the writers would have it turn out that way.

We've now seen two powers reused (not counting Peter's ability to mimic): Healing and Flying. They've laid down no ground rules though, that state that all powers are unique. If these powers are the next step of human evolution (argh, that's not how that works, but ok...) there's no logical reason that two different people couldn't develop the same ability.
Well they did make it seem like the same powers were constantly being reused over and over again. Remember back when Peter met Claude? Claude remarked that Peter was, "One of those Empaths". This implys that there are other people with the exact same powers. I just wish that they wouldn't waste new characters by giving them old powers.

I thought it was interesting that Kensei seemed surpised that he wasn't dead. Either this is the first time this has happened to him (never superhealed before, or never HAD to) or it was filmed that way accidentally or to mislead.
I got the feeling that it was the first time it's ever happened to him. Maybe it was brought on the same way as in Season 1. Maybe the Eclipse kick started his genes.

enemybrick

10-04-2007, 02:59 AM

Maybe with Hiro there, and the timeline being altered, he CANT die or something

Also, when am I gonna get some backstory? I want to see these older people back in the day, it seems they were all in a big group, doing similar things to our current Heroes.

az0madman

10-04-2007, 03:48 AM

I'm sure we'll get more insight on the older generation of heroes. Read on Wikipedia that it was gonna be one of the focuses about this season. I'm mostly curious as to what exactly split them apart. There were those who wanted to wanted the explosion to happen while there were those who knew there had to be another way. I hope they do come back to the explosion, because I don't think we ever got a reason as to why it had to happen the way it happens. Obviously, the future didn't turn out well for the mutants (it feels weird to call them that if it's not x-men!).

serenity

10-04-2007, 03:50 AM

Maybe with Hiro there, and the timeline being altered, he CANT die or something

I hadn't thought about that angle. I'm not sure that's it but at least it's different.

I loved the second episode by the way. I had that old feeling of "Noooooo!" when it ended.

deegraww

10-04-2007, 01:32 PM

tnvwboy

10-04-2007, 02:38 PM

ok so on my DVR I think the show cuts of. The last part I saw was Claire seeing someone out her window. Runs out finds the book picks it up and my copy ends. Was there more to this? Should I go to Pirates Bay and find this episode?

Nope that was the end. I had the same problem and went to the NBC site and watched the end again to be sure.

kahunablair

10-04-2007, 02:41 PM

ok so on my DVR I think the show cuts of. The last part I saw was Claire seeing someone out her window. Runs out finds the book picks it up and my copy ends. Was there more to this? Should I go to Pirates Bay and find this episode?

That was it. I don't remember anything else happening after that.

deegraww

10-04-2007, 02:53 PM

That was it. I don't remember anything else happening after that.

ok cool I just heard people talking about the stalker guy and I didn't know if they showed something with him.

kickarse

10-04-2007, 03:26 PM

Anyone else think that Peter must've worked out in that shipping container? He's not as scrawny as he was last season it seems.

kahunablair

10-04-2007, 04:46 PM

ok cool I just heard people talking about the stalker guy and I didn't know if they showed something with him.
Nope. He was just the guy watching Claire.

deegraww

10-04-2007, 04:49 PM

Well then I guess I'm pissed because it didn't record the preview for next weeks episode GRRR!

kahunablair

10-04-2007, 05:12 PM

Well then I guess I'm pissed because it didn't record the preview for next weeks episode GRRR!

No dude. The guy that was watching Claire cut her toe off. That was Stalker boy. They showed his face right before Claire ran outsife.

deegraww

10-04-2007, 06:12 PM

No dude. The guy that was watching Claire cut her toe off. That was Stalker boy. They showed his face right before Claire ran outsife.

Yeah I know I got that part. I just thought it might have show him doing something like his power or something. But now that I know it doesn't i'm upset that it stopped recording before showing the preview for next weeks show.

darknessgp

10-04-2007, 06:36 PM

It's actually the exact opposite of what you said my man. Claude didn't want him to remember his friends. Remember the whole following people and showing Peter what jerks they all were?
From Wiki...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Petrelli#Training

Umm, actually your wikipedia quote fits EXACTLY what I was saying. Here's the ending quote.

"Peter realizes that he does not need to push people out of his mind; he just needs to remember how those people made him feel to regain use of their abilities"

You are correct, Claude didn't want him to remember the people, but the feeling... i.e. That's what I said, Peter remembers how the feeling he got from that person.

kahunablair

10-04-2007, 06:55 PM

Umm, actually your wikipedia quote fits EXACTLY what I was saying. Here's the ending quote.
"Peter realizes that he does not need to push people out of his mind; he just needs to remember how those people made him feel to regain use of their abilities"
You are correct, Claude didn't want him to remember the people, but the feeling... i.e. That's what I said, Peter remembers how the feeling he got from that person.

See I read it, and interpretted those shows in the completely opposite way. He never said remember the feeling of the person. He didn't want Peter to have any connection to them at all, feelings or otherwise.

Oh well, guess that's what makes this show fun, huh?
Different strokes from Different folks!

Yeah I know I got that part. I just thought it might have show him doing something like his power or something. But now that I know it doesn't i'm upset that it stopped recording before showing the preview for next weeks show.

Ah I see. That does stink man.

sugardaddynevada

10-04-2007, 10:07 PM

darknessgp

10-04-2007, 10:40 PM

What surprised me was my disappointment. Do we really need to see Peter "rediscover" his powers? Do we really need to see Hiro in ancient Japan? I'm not quite as captivated as before...

That being said, the toe thing? Awesome.

Maybe and Definately YES. I honestly believe that the Ancient Japan stuff as well as Peter's kidnapping thing will directly tie into the rest of the story... For example, why does the Ancient Japanese sword maker use that symbol? Why did the Nathan and Peter's father use it for his company logo? Why does Peter now have a necklace with it on it? etc. Plus I think it is much more than just "rediscovering" anyone's powers. To take a note out of Claire's story, I think it will be more about trying to find the limits to their power, as well as uncovering this villain.

sugardaddynevada

10-05-2007, 12:24 AM

Maybe and Definately YES.

I should preface this by saying I really hope I'm wrong...

But,

Really? Definately? To me, the Japan story line is akin to Angel going to Pylea. It takes the well established mood out of the show. I think that in the over arching plot, Hiro visiting Japan will seem like a lot of work for a small payoff. Plus, he doesn't get to interact with the other main characters (although I WAS suprised to see Sark). It just seems silly.

kahunablair

10-09-2007, 07:56 PM

So what did everyone think of the episode last night?
Good? Bad? Meh?

mrpopular

10-09-2007, 08:13 PM

I think it was good bad & meh. don't read further if you didn't see this weeks.

I hate what they are doing with Peter. he is the shows Power house and they have him fumbling around. If in the next 2 episodes he doesn't figure out who he is i'm gonna be pissed. Or maybe he'd like to be brothers with the Irish mob that kicked his ass. They obviously don't see Peter needs to the the lead in the show instead of 2 mins of everyone.

Hiro. I liked..liked him in the Samari stuff. it's good. but they needd to do something instead of treading water. last night's episode made me really mad when kensi had to defeat 90 guards. they didn't show any of it. they should have showed him fighting a little bit at least.

Mohinder & Matt - am I watching Heroes or Full House? *waits for Molly to say "you got it dude"*

Claire - she's awesome i like the new painting i find it interesting. i buy it. but everytime they are at school it's like i'm watching Highschool musical.

Sylar.... he was the best part of this weeks episode IMO thank god for Sylar. he is awesome.

South American guy & Girl this years lame Jessica/Nikki story

tnvwboy

10-09-2007, 08:33 PM

So what did everyone think of the episode last night?
Good? Bad? Meh?

The first 'Meh' episode. It felt slow and fractured (and felt like WAY too many commercials!).

As for Peter, reading this weeks comic suggests that there are changes coming.

The whole Niki thing...ugh. You know if they'd timed it right she could have told Mika that she was going to fight zombies! heh

kahunablair

10-09-2007, 09:09 PM

I think it was good bad & meh. don't read further if you didn't see this weeks.
I'm in the same boat. I fear the Meh-ness of last years season finale has carried over for me into this season.

I hate what they are doing with Peter. he is the shows Power house and they have him fumbling around. If in the next 2 episodes he doesn't figure out who he is i'm gonna be pissed. Or maybe he'd like to be brothers with the Irish mob that kicked his ass. They obviously don't see Peter needs to the the lead in the show instead of 2 mins of everyone.
I think a lot of the reason they've got the poor bastard stuck in Ireland with amnesia is because of the fact he's the show's Powerhouse.
He could pretty much fly in and kick anyone's butt which would end the show early. So what do you do? You take him out of the picture. Plus, what's stopping him from going Nuclear in Ireland?

Hiro. I liked..liked him in the Samari stuff. it's good. but they needd to do something instead of treading water. last night's episode made me really mad when kensi had to defeat 90 guards. they didn't show any of it. they should have showed him fighting a little bit at least.
I get the fact that it's a tv show and the budget might not be great, but they should have shown at least a little bit of the fight. It reminded me of the future Peter versus future Sylar fight from last season.. "Oh this is going to look awesome, but we're going to shut the door so you can't see it."

Mohinder & Matt - am I watching Heroes or Full House? *waits for Molly to say "you got it dude"*
I thought the same thing last night.

Claire - she's awesome i like the new painting i find it interesting. i buy it. but everytime they are at school it's like i'm watching Highschool musical.
The Painting is great. I'm getting really tired of the Cookie cutter high schools on TV.

Sylar.... he was the best part of this weeks episode IMO thank god for Sylar. he is awesome.
Absolutely right. So did he lose his powers or are we going to find out Michelle/Candace is only screwing with his head still?

South American guy & Girl this years lame Jessica/Nikki story
I feel the same way, but I think their story will at least have a payoff that the Jessica/Nikki one lacked.

rickweasel

10-10-2007, 01:03 AM