Patrick- Must you "F* it" to be cool?

[champlain]

I know this will be an un-popular comment, but must Patrick Norton use profanity to be "real" in this very first episode?

In order for me to post this comment, I had to agree to this:
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I would like the same consideration when view these shows on Rev3. I would like to be able to watch these shows with my wife and kids.

It's bad enough that I can't watch Diggnation because of the immature "adult" language. It's a shame because Diggnation was a great show before the profanity.

I like Patrick. I hope he would consider others like me.

[tokenuser]

He says phuck once and suddenly this is forbidden content? It was not used in a sexual context, it was not used in a derogatory context. It was used as an expletive expression of frustration. Phuck is a very versatile word like that.

In the context it would pass the censor board on TV (well - cable anyway) without much of an issue.

Is it time to stop people from say hump, root, shag, and pork as well because THEY could also be used in a sexual context?

Grow up.

[jimmyjones]

He says phuck once and suddenly this is forbidden content? It was not used in a sexual context, it was not used in a derogatory context. It was used as an expletive expression of frustration. Phuck is a very versatile word like that.

In the context it would pass the censor board on TV (well - cable anyway) without much of an issue.

Is it time to stop people from say hump, root, shag, and pork as well because THEY could also be used in a sexual context?

Grow up.

****!!! <-- that was an expletive expression of frustration for not being able to use expletive expression of frustrations in my posts.

[markr7]

While I personally dont have a problem with the odd swear-word, i feel that it wasnt entirely necessary (ie in diggnation they're young, they're appealing to the younger audience, and that is how they speak)..

However I feel that while Patrick has a right to say whatever he wants - why would cut your prospective demographic by adding that to your show? Tekzilla could be something which appeals to all ages, and with Jessica there it may also appeal to Females as well (I'm sure the male subscribers outweigh female ones 100 times over).

I'm surprised to not see it marked as 'explicit' on iTunes, but then again Im not sure what constitutes explicit (It doesnt in my books, but I can appreciate when big companies need to label things correctly for parental controls etc.)

[hillwog]

While I agree that the show would be better with out the swearing it seems to me that all the rev. 3 shows have had swearing or sexual overtones at one time or other. I and sadly my children hear this type of talk all day and are no longer shocked by it. I have myself issued unfortunate expletives from time to time with regret. I will not avoid the show for an occasional swear word or such, but would rate the show higher without it. As far as diggnation watching a couple of drunk geeks make fools of themselves is the point of the show right.

[iccanui]

Patrick has been white washed and held down for years. So let the man have his swear word. Its was a symbol of his MUCH deserved freedom.

[iccanui]

He says phuck once and suddenly this is forbidden content? It was not used in a sexual context, it was not used in a derogatory context. It was used as an expletive expression of frustration. Phuck is a very versatile word like that.

In the context it would pass the censor board on TV (well - cable anyway) without much of an issue.

Is it time to stop people from say hump, root, shag, and pork as well because THEY could also be used in a sexual context?

Grow up.

Agreed. I mean when i was a kid you just dont say it in front of parents, when they are gone you use it like mad BECAUSE your told not to. They are gonna find it, use it and hide it from you. Its only by making it something forbidden that they even care about it to begin with.

[masherscf]

He says phuck once and suddenly this is forbidden content? It was not used in a sexual context, it was not used in a derogatory context. It was used as an expletive expression of frustration. Phuck is a very versatile word like that.

In the context it would pass the censor board on TV (well - cable anyway) without much of an issue.

Is it time to stop people from say hump, root, shag, and pork as well because THEY could also be used in a sexual context?

Grow up.

Tsk, Tsk, Token, you know words are more important than ideas.

[sock-]

Patrick has been white washed and held down for years. So let the man have his swear word. Its was a symbol of his MUCH deserved freedom.

Yeah, really. This is about the first environment in which he can be on air and drop some four letter words without negative ramifications. It was a casually uttered expletive, and going from what I've seen on air of him, I don't think Patrick's the type of person to drop an f-bomb to appeal to a certain demographic, that's probably just how the dude talks. No harm nor foul should come from it.

[-mk-]

Instead of celebrating the idea that with Internet TV we can all crawl out from under the lifestyle-governing modus operandi of the FCC, we're all sitting around complaining about the use of anglo-saxon language in our iTV shows? Man, do we have a long way to go.

[dom97]

It's time for the parents to grow up. I'm getting tired of people complaining about curse words. Time to live in the real world people. Times have changed and it's not the 50's anymore. We are not going back to those days. That being said, don't watch the show then (the common saying).

Internet TV is a breath of fresh air from people who are not constrained by the FCC. Having the internet connected to your computer is YOUR choice. No one needs to connect there computer to the internet to use there computer.

Please Patrick, do not give into these people. I've noticed on the Taser show the word PHUCK was blanked out, not beeped. Rewound it to catch it again. You guys have something big going on there and please do not give into the small minority.

[jimmyjones]

It's time for the parents to grow up.

haha its obvious that you don't have kids.

[sock-]

Has anyone said "ahh, damn it! My kids heard the f-word and then went to a drug orgy party, thanks a lot Patrick!"

No, chill, ya all. Nothing should came from this, what's with the noise?

[grazz]

I inwardly groaned when Pat said the F word, knowing it would result in people reading into it. How you can be a Rev3 viewer and be offended by a minor swear word shocks me. Expecting Pat to be the watered down Patrick he's had to be to work for these corporate entities after coming to Rev3 is ridiculous. It's really sad! This is the first time he's been able to be 100% Patrick Norton without having to worry about corporate sponsors sitting on his shoulder making sure he's vanilla enough for grandma and then people are complaining about it. Do your really think when Pat is given 100% freedom he's going to swear to be "hip"? Get over it people, if you don't have a friend that occasionally swears then you live in an entirely different world, it's obvious that he wanted to set the stage for how the show would be and I'm sorry if you find yourself offended by the 1 second of Pat being remotely offensive, go watch Dl.tv or some of the boring crap on Cnet.

I personally appreciate when people are themselves. The occasional swear word means nothing to me other then to think that it's from the heart and not read from a teleprompter. If I need to hear pat swear like a sailor in order to get the real pat instead of the pat that's fed to me by the teleprompter then I'm happy to hear F'it!

[scienceking]

The only problem here if any is that seeing someone who is a mature adult using the f-bomb loosely is probably not the best example for kids. Not because he is magically revealing a new word to the kids, as I can assure you that your kids use it all the time when you aren't around.

The problem is that it can, if only subconsciously, re-enforce the fact that the word is acceptable for general use, which its just not. I have dropped the f-bomb a few times while getting injuries/etc in public, and its always awkward at best. I would definitely not want to thoughtlessly mumble phuck in front of a boss if he was in my office asking for a paper I was having trouble finding, for example. But if you get used to using or hearing a word get used enough, you will just use it naturally without thinking, its just the way the brain works.

In summary, ts a pretty good idea to keep profanity out of the natural environment of kids, not because it will stop them from using it, but because it will stop them from getting USED to using it. Sure it would be cool if we lived in a world where everyone was mature enough not to get all upset over the use of a magic word, but we don't live in that world, yet.

[tempesta]

I'm biased here....i'm Australian.....swearing is all we know.

[sock-]

The only problem here if any is that seeing someone who is a mature adult using the f-bomb loosely is probably not the best example for kids. Not because he is magically revealing a new word to the kids, as I can assure you that your kids use it all the time when you aren't around.

The problem is that it can, if only subconsciously, re-enforce the fact that the word is acceptable for general use, which its just not. I have dropped the f-bomb a few times while getting injuries/etc in public, and its always awkward at best. I would definitely not want to thoughtlessly mumble phuck in front of a boss if he was in my office asking for a paper I was having trouble finding, for example. But if you get used to using or hearing a word get used enough, you will just use it naturally without thinking, its just the way the brain works.

In summary, ts a pretty good idea to keep profanity out of the natural environment of kids, not because it will stop them from using it, but because it will stop them from getting USED to using it. Sure it would be cool if we lived in a world where everyone was mature enough not to get all upset over the use of a magic word, but we don't live in that world, yet.

Man, if you drop f-bombs here and there, then can't stop yourself from swearing at a family reunion, in front of your boss, or some other place where that shit won't fly, that's not the media's fault, that's not Patricks fault, don't pass that shit one someone else, man, that's your own God damn problem.

[-mk-]

I'm biased here....i'm Australian.....swearing is all we know.

Well that, and getting royally "pissed" at your favorite pubs. You guys drink me under the table every time I hang out with one of you! :D

[tokenuser]

I'm biased here....i'm Australian.....swearing is all we know.****ing oath mate. The septics* are a bunch of politically overcorrected wankers that need someone to blame for their own **** ups, and wont accept responsibility for their own bloody actions.

Did I just say that out loud?

Oops. My bad. I'll claim cultural conditioning ;)

*Not all Americans fall into this camp, just the ones Aussies like to poke fun at.

Well that, and getting royally "pissed" at your favorite pubs. You guys drink me under the table every time I hang out with one of you! :DThats because you lot drink beer that we consider softdrink. An Aussie can go one for one with an American drinking domestic beer until their bladder bursts, but an American going one for one with an Aussie drinking domestic Australian beer would be pissed halfway through the first schooner.

[perc]

My €0.02:

People who are by a little profanity should crawl up from whatever rock they've been hiding under and smell the real world. It's just a word, there's no reason to get all worked up about it IMO.

[whoisscott]

i hope he says it more. makes me laugh

[tnvwboy]

He needs to use my favorite word for idiots (mostly used in rush hour traffic):
?uckTARD

[cheatrz]

I'm just happy it wasn't bleeped out.

[scienceking]

I'm just happy it wasn't bleeped out.

Yeah, I agree. Nice to see that Rev3 still has some recognizable ties to her roots, even if it will cost them a coveted "clean" rating on iTunes.

[piper999]

I agree. Please cut out the swearing. Its not very edifying watching a grown man swear and then giggle about it while under the illusion he is coming across as some kind of authoritative expert in a field other than making an idiot out of himself.

[sock-]

So I'm watching the Aves/Stars game, the Stars just scored, and someone on the ice audibly said '****IN' EH!'

Contrary to the views expressed in this thread, the world is not melting as a result.

[piper999]

Are you saying Patrick Norton's favorite ice hockey team might have just scored a goal and he was over excited during the taping of the podcast?

I think a more realistic explanation is that he is a journalist with a limited vocabulary and/or ability to communicate his feelings, i.e. a journalist who might need to try a little harder.

[sock-]

I'm sayin' an f-bomb doesn't cause the world to implode.

Relax, people.

[piper999]

Its disrespectful and boring.

[tempesta]

Thats because you lot drink beer that we consider softdrink. An Aussie can go one for one with an American drinking domestic beer until their bladder bursts, but an American going one for one with an Aussie drinking domestic Australian beer would be pissed halfway through the first schooner.

1. I didn't realise you were australian....awesome.

2. What sort of schooner are you talking about? Adelaide ...or everywhere else?


for people who are wondering why i ask ....check this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_beer#Beer_glasses

[-mk-]

I think a more realistic explanation is that he is a journalist with a limited vocabulary and/or ability to communicate his feelings, i.e. a journalist who might need to try a little harder.

Yes, because Patrick Norton CLEARLY has no proven track-record of good tech journalism. :rolleyes: Limited vocabulary...try harder...all because he said f**k.

Are you high or something??? What an idiotic "realistic explanation."

Its disrespectful and boring.

And to top the asinine comments off, you have to go and be hypocritical (http://digg.com/xbox_360/Halo_3_Initial_Sell_through_Numbers_8_Hours?t=9410 188#c9410188). Awesome.

[tokenuser]

1. I didn't realise you were australian....awesome.

2. What sort of schooner are you talking about? Adelaide ...or everywhere else?


for people who are wondering why i ask ....check this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_beer#Beer_glasses1. :) ... don't hold it against me, but I have been living in the US for 10 years (pretty much to the day actually). My wife is an Aussie as well.
2. NSW. Didn't realise they serve beer in schooners in SA. Only thing I ever drank over there was served in a large red wine glass (Barossa Valley Reds FTW!).

[prime]

Yes, because Patrick Norton CLEARLY has no proven track-record of good tech journalism. :rolleyes: Limited vocabulary...try harder...all because he said f**k.

Are you high or something??? What an idiotic "realistic explanation."



And to top the asinine comments off, you have to go and be hypocritical (http://digg.com/xbox_360/Halo_3_Initial_Sell_through_Numbers_8_Hours?t=9410 188#c9410188). Awesome.

omg bobby. You guys have to check out the hypocritical link from MK. That's too awesome. phucking idiot cun+s i think he said. what a prankster!

this is much ado about nothing! I agree for ppl to grow up or not watch!

[xfuuey]

I seriously can't believe someone made a post about this. Get over it. Don't f'in watch the show if you are offended by the single comment. :eek:

[sugarsickness]

I think the guy is completely over reacting but comparing a comment on a website notorious for its member making retarded comments to someone trying to start up a new tech show is pretty silly.

[adamzx]

We Are All Adults Here
So Roll With It.

Let It Rip Patrick

[heyseuss]

Awww, that sucks to be slow, but it's funy for us. Thread starter being an idiot was only made funnier by piper.

[boomschtick]

I'm going to be in the minority on this one, but I'm with the OP.

To start, I don't think Patrick using the f-word is going to do any of the following:

End the world
Corrupt my kids
Bring fourth the next apocalypse
Ruin my day

I feel that a person can express themselves fully and articulately without cussing. I know that Patrick is an intelligent person. I have watched him do his thing from the screen savers all the way to rev3. I know he can express himself fully without the use of expletives.

It would seem that swearing is the norm around the Rev3, and that's fine if that is their culture. They are all big kids. However, I stand by what I said above. Communication is better when it's clean.

That's my opinion... take it or leave it.

[xfuuey]

how about you just shut the f*#k up?

[boomschtick]

how about you just shut the f*#k up?

Thank you for enforcing my point.

[tempesta]

Yes people, its possible to express a point without swearing....but isnt the point to express oneself, and in theory, this medium ought to allow its hosts to express themselves how they choose to not in a way thats been sent thought multiple groups for approval.

Also, 1 swear word....not exactly earth shattering.

[-mk-]

I know that Patrick is an intelligent person. I have watched him do his thing from the screen savers all the way to rev3. I know he can express himself fully without the use of expletives.

Another person suggesting that intelligence and cussing are mutually exclusive. Listen to George Carlin and try and tell me he's not intelligent. They're WORDS people, used for emphasis, to express frustration, etc...get the f**k over it already. :D

[boomschtick]

Another person suggesting that intelligence and cussing are mutually exclusive. Listen to George Carlin and try and tell me he's not intelligent. They're WORDS people, used for emphasis, to express frustration, etc...get the f**k over it already. :D


Like I said... my opinion... my observations.

Nothing more... nothing less.

[heyseuss]

It would seem that swearing is the norm around the Rev3, and that's fine if that is their culture.


:rolleyes: That's just lame. I hope you don't have kids.

[piper999]

Yes, because Patrick Norton CLEARLY has no proven track-record of good tech journalism. :rolleyes: Limited vocabulary...try harder...all because he said f**k.

Are you high or something??? What an idiotic "realistic explanation."



And to top the asinine comments off, you have to go and be hypocritical (http://digg.com/xbox_360/Halo_3_Initial_Sell_through_Numbers_8_Hours?t=9410 188#c9410188). Awesome.

You caught me out. I'm a podcast presenter who, er, no wait...Hang on - I'm not a presenter. Why is it hypocritical for me to swear on digg again?

Is it because you are a lone wolf avenger type of person who likes to stalk people?

Hint: people who swear are being disrespectful. I was being disrespectful. Your stalking just proved my point and casued me to check the locks on my house. No offense.

Edit: atrocious spelling.

[heyseuss]

You caught me out. I'm a podcast presenter who, er, no wait...Hang on - I'm not a presenter. Why is it hypocritical for me to swear on digg again?

Is it because you are a lone wolf avenger type of person who likes to stalk people?

Hint: people who swear are being disrespectful. I was being disrespectful. Your stalking just proved my point and casued me to check the locks on my house. No offense.

Edit: atrocious spelling.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Hypocrite

[ryudo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C14tdOeoB9Y

History lesson folks

[robertallen]

I understand the OP's argument, however I must respectfully disagree.

I don't understand the difference between Wil Wheaton doing it and Patrick Norton doing it. I don't think he was "acting" real...I think this is just the real Patrick finally getting to be the real Patrick behind a camera...the one we're just not used to seeing due to censors and ratings.

[robertallen]

On a side note, I used to think that they were just doing it to maintain an attitude...however I must admit that they are just being themselves.

I just remember the last days of TechTV I could tell Alex seemed like he would stop himself from blasting out an F bomb. I don't think any of it's an act, I think they just finally get to be themselves...one we weren't all accustomed to.

[piper999]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Hypocrite

Do you want me to point you to a definition of the word 'prig'? I'm sure it would make me snigger as much as you did pointing me to the word 'hypocrite'.

Also, defending the use of swearing in Tekzilla is rendered so utterly impotent and laughable in a thread on a bulletin board with terms of use that preclude swearing. How hypocritical is that?

[heyseuss]

Do you want me to point you to a definition of the word 'prig'? I'm sure it would make me snigger as much as you did pointing me to the word 'hypocrite'.

Also, defending the use of swearing in Tekzilla is rendered so utterly impotent and laughable in a thread on a bulletin board with terms of use that preclude swearing. How hypocritical is that?

You're an idiot, shut up.

[sock-]

I don't think it's hypocritical to preclude swearing, because there's a bunch of wankers on these forums who'd say **** every other word were those 'rules' not in place. It's easier for the staff, all what, two dozen of them? To moderate themselves, than it is for all what, hundreds of posters? Here to moderate themselves, especially when you know not everyone that posts would moderate their language.

Like me. That shit's evident if you keep tabs on my posts.

[nextgenxbox]

Wahhh wahhhh is all I hear. You hear far worse in your day to day life.

[rabidbadger]

You're an idiot, shut up.

Eh, he's been banned.

But I have had issues with the no swearing on these forums about shows that use swearing. Not gonna go so far as "hypocritical" just kinda odd. And it did inspire this Rev3 revenue generating idea:

People who donate/subscribe get the option to read/write swear words on the forums! I'd pay! :)

[sock-]

I'd pay like, $10 a year to drop f-bombs on forums where it's been okay'd.

[scienceking]

Why don't they just use a profanity filter here enabled by default to star out nasty words. Then people who didn't care could disable it. People on this forum already pretty much imply profanity anyway, so it wouldn't change much.

[oni-dracula]

Use of the word "****" isn't a big deal. I find that most people that find it offensive will have feeble minds and only find it offensive because those minds are incapable of dealing with it.

Revision3 has no children's shows that I know of and is not regulated by any organization other than itself and it's producers/staff.

**** it.

Edit: After posting I noticed that there really is a word filter in place...kind of hypocritical.

[chopperwelsh]

I thought iTV was the last place i would find people who sit around and wait to be offended. If you dont like a show or are offended then dont watch the show.

Im from the UK and the TV over heres seems to be less strict on the the whole swearing issue and to be honest i dont think its harming anyone. Just the other day a formula one driver crashed and was quite annoyed and when interviewed he swore on live TV in the afternoon on a sunday, now we know that this isnt allowed and it only happened because it was live TV and would have been bleeped other wise but no body died after hearing it, Life went on.

there are more important things to worry about in the world to bother worrying about if someone said the F-Word.

And also from my reackoning Revision 3 isnt a kids TV channel and if your getting this from iTunes then theres usually a warning so if you are easily offended or you dont want your children to hear this then dont download the shows and dont let your children watch these shows.

Just my thoughts and first post.

[phatlip12]

Eh, he's been banned.

But I have had issues with the no swearing on these forums about shows that use swearing. Not gonna go so far as "hypocritical" just kinda odd. And it did inspire this Rev3 revenue generating idea:

People who donate/subscribe get the option to read/write swear words on the forums! I'd pay! :)

As far as I know, the profanity filter was SUPPOSED to be disabled a while ago but it never happened for some reason (I think the admins got busy with other stuff and sort of forgot).

Personally, I dont give a **** what you guys say.

;)

[xibalba]

If you want to fucking cuss fucking cuss. You can get around the fucking filter easy enough. Who gives a flying fuck though. :D

[rabidbadger]

true, but it's a needless hassle.

[patriot]

Just my 2 cents. It was unnecessary and Patrick was not frustrated, it was almost like it was scripted.

Just because folks want to use it everyday and we hear it everyday does not equate to it being "right".

Its a vulgar word, no more no less.

In a business sense, the content can stand on it own and those that want to hear the "word" would still tune in as well as those that don't. Why alienate a portion of your audience if it isn't needed.

Communication can stand on its own without all the cuss words. Most are just lazy to find a different term.

[adolfgallant]

I don't find it wrong,He said it and that was it,It's not like he repeating it all the time.If you don't like it then don't watch it.

[wizmaster]

Just my 2 cents. It was unnecessary and Patrick was not frustrated, it was almost like it was scripted.

Just because folks want to use it everyday and we hear it everyday does not equate to it being "right".

Its a vulgar word, no more no less.

In a business sense, the content can stand on it own and those that want to hear the "word" would still tune in as well as those that don't. Why alienate a portion of your audience if it isn't needed.

Communication can stand on its own without all the cuss words. Most are just lazy to find a different term.

1) He may not be "frustrated" at something in particular but he is free to say it unlike in his previous shows. It's not like he said it every other word. It also didn't feel all that scripted but it's a scripted show.

2) It's a vulgar word for YOU. Many people don't find words of any sort offensive so please keep that in mind.

[patriot]

1) He may not be "frustrated" at something in particular but he is free to say it unlike in his previous shows. It's not like he said it every other word. It also didn't feel all that scripted but it's a scripted show.

2) It's a vulgar word for YOU. Many people don't find words of any sort offensive so please keep that in mind.
You looked up the definition lately. :cool:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fu**


Yes it was only used once, one time too many.

[sock-]

PSST! Patriot, bad news;

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/ShoopufEatMoogle/notlikethis.png

Suck it up and deal with it, or stop watching. You can be a ninny about it, but that doesn't mean everyone else has to be.

[ryudo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C14tdOeoB9Y

History lesson folks

:rolleyes:

[wizmaster]

You looked up the definition lately. :cool:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fu**


Yes it was only used once, one time too many.

Have you checked the definition? It kinda proves my point.

[twoifbysea]

Relax and have a beer. Part of the purpose of this content via the internet is that it is free of media conglomerates and the associated bs (censors) of such. I actually like it that they can express themselves how they want and it isn't always edited out. Relax

[bigstupid]

First off, while I think you should be able to voice your opinions and concerns about the content of the programing that is being presented to you/us, I don't think you are thinking your opinion through. You mention that in the early days of Diggnation it was somehow magically cleaner or more vanilla. I disagree. I would have to go back and watch some older episodes to be sure, but I'm 99 percent sure that they swore and acted like themselves even back then. What I do remember is when they first started the show they would question themselves on camera about it... But, it all got sorted out, as it was simply their years of mainstream media conditioning getting the better of them.

This is not mainstream tv and quite frankly even though I like some mainstream tv, I'm glad it's not.

You want to piss and moan about something, why not do it about something that really matters? I could give you a list, but I'm not really feeling in the mood today lover.

Some people are using 'family' and 'children' as reasoning for their distaste for using words like that... Sure, he could say 'man, I find that so frustrating!'...but isn't the F bomb more succinct and efficient? I think it is; and quite frankly, I enjoy those words. They tell a much better tale than 'gee wilikers!'.

There hasn't been place one where I've worked that people haven't used 'strong' language, that's including bosses. Do I think it's always something to be used at all times and places, for all situations? No. But, most of those words exist to express something... usually in the most exacting way possible.

Perhaps I'm bias, because I swear all the time... but, at least for me, it's not because I have a limited vocabulary, or the inability to express myself in a meaningful way. I just like it.

Most likely your kids are going to grow up and swear... most likely most of them, if not all, swear when you aren't around. You swear... you do and don't even think of denying it. I don't care about being hypocritical, as that's not the point I'm trying to make... They're words... they express ideas and concepts.

I understand that most parents are protective of their children, but these shows are not really geared toward people under 15 anyway (as far as I can tell). There are so many other things to be concerned with in life... this shouldn't even register on the radar. Sure, that's my smelly opinion... but, at least it's a rational one.

These shows are for entertainment and some educational purposes... but, this shit isn't nova.

[oni-dracula]

<snip>
Some people are using 'family' and 'children' as reasoning for their distaste for using words like that... Sure, he could say 'man, I find that so frustrating!'...but isn't the F bomb more succinct and efficient? I think it is; and quite frankly, I enjoy those words. They tell a much better tale than 'gee wilikers!'.
<snip>
Most likely your kids are going to grow up and swear... most likely most of them, if not all, swear when you aren't around. You swear... you do and don't even think of denying it. I don't care about being hypocritical, as that's not the point I'm trying to make... They're words... they express ideas and concepts.

I understand that most parents are protective of their children, but these shows are not really geared toward people under 15 anyway (as far as I can tell). There are so many other things to be concerned with in life... this shouldn't even register on the radar. Sure, that's my smelly opinion... but, at least it's a rational one.

These shows are for entertainment and some educational purposes... but, this shit isn't nova.

<snip> pseudo-tags are mine.

The above quoted paragraphs express my opinion in a little more depth. Thanks, bigstupid. Now GTFO you n00b.

[tempesta]

<snip> pseudo-tags are mine.

The above quoted paragraphs express my opinion in a little more depth. Thanks, bigstupid. Now GTFO you n00b.

You own nothing. Now YOU GTFO!

Kids these days...

[stewiebronson]

Great show, regardless of the language! As with most things, there is a spectrum of tolerance for such things. There probably WILL be folks that will stop listening or won't recommend the show if the F-Bombs keep dropping.

Maybe this has been suggested already as I've not read all of the posts, but perhaps someone could volunteer to "bleep" out the odd cuss and a 'clean' version of the show could be made available?

I've yet to swear in my PodCasts, and when I do in an upcoming episode it will be 'bleeped'. Of course mine is a different animal entirely... it spoofs call-in tech support shows.

[tempesta]

gee, wouldn't be here tryin to recruit listeners would ya stewie ol boy?

[scienceking]

There probably WILL be folks that will stop listening or won't recommend the show if the F-Bombs keep dropping.

The most popular show on Revision3 is Diggnation and in that they swear and say things they probably regret all the time. I don't think many people here really cares, and part of the goal of Revision3 is to give a live/uncut feel to shows. My only problem is that the swearing that has gone on in this show has been sort of lame more than anything else. Its sort of disorienting to get slammed with an f-bomb when you wouldn't even expect it from an old sailor in the same situation.

[jgreen45]

I just started watching Tekzilla opening show and when Patrick used the F... word, I lost some Zilla for this show. Great role model Patrick. I guess you talk like that in front of your kids and wife all the time. I will keep watching, but will stop if that continues.

I know you are better than that. An apology would be nice, but would never happen would it.

[jgreen45]

I just started watching Tekzilla opening show and when Patrick used the F... word, I lost some Zilla for this show. Great role model Patrick. I guess you talk like that in front of your kids and wife all the time. I will keep watching, but will stop if that continues.

I know you are better than that. An apology would be nice, but would never happen would it.

[heyseuss]

I just started watching Tekzilla opening show and when Patrick used the F... word, I lost some Zilla for this show. Great role model Patrick. I guess you talk like that in front of your kids and wife all the time. I will keep watching, but will stop if that continues.

I know you are better than that. An apology would be nice, but would never happen would it.

that's 2 posts that suck. grow up.

[jgreen45]

Sometimes, the only way to get your attention is to send email to GoDaddy and complain. Come on Patrick, what is the deal on swearing. Is that supposed to give your show credibility?

[masherscf]

I... Great role model Patrick. I guess you talk like that in front of your kids and wife all the time. ..

Patrick has one child who is not in language acquisition mode yet.

Although, I do not see the linguistic infraction as seriously as some others. I would also appreciate curbing the random expletives. My kids are in language acquisition mode and I've already had to quit watching "diggnation" in the open and save TRS until after bedtime ("The Chupacabra terror" was not only frighteningly bad, it frightened my 3-year old daughter)

I understand that kids aren't the target audience, but Patrick and Jessica should have some consideration of viewers who might be parents and want to watch the show with their kids in the room.

As Patrick is soon to learn, there are precious few leisure minutes when your kids will not be present. Revison3 podcasts are competing for those minutes with other media. Unsafe content just makes it harder for me to find time to watch.

[wizmaster]

Sometimes, the only way to get your attention is to send email to GoDaddy and complain. Come on Patrick, what is the deal on swearing. Is that supposed to give your show credibility?

GoDaddy doesn't make the show and they sponser other shows that curse more regularly. Nice email. *snicker*

Although I do feel masherscf on the previous post, I'm sick and tired of having everything sanitized. It's one of the reasons I hate the FCC and their obsessive bullshit. Sure it gets hard to find time away from your kids when you have them but that doesn't mean shows should be sanitized for that reason alone. Not everyone has kids (yet) and not every kid is young enough for it to be a problem. The world doesn't revolve around children so I say it's unfair to sanitize everything as if it was.

[masherscf]

The world doesn't revolve around children so I say it's unfair to sanitize everything as if it was.

Well, I don't think it's an issue of sanitation as much as mere courtesy. There are still many adults, not me, that find certain words offensive.

Well, mileage may vary and I was only speaking to my particular situation. My world does actually revolve around my children.

If the producers feel random profanity is a integral part of the program, I'll accept that judgment. I have no problem with the concept of adult programming.

The truth is that I have to be careful what I watch around the kids. I just don't see any reason why Tekzilla needs to be on that list.

Anyhow, in a few years the kids will learn to swear like sailors at the local schoolyard anyway.

[wizmaster]

Well, I don't think it's an issue of sanitation as much as mere courtesy. There are still many adults, not me, that find certain words offensive.

Well, mileage may vary and I was only speaking to my particular situation. My world does actually revolve around my children.

If the producers feel random profanity is a integral part of the program, I'll accept that judgment. I have no problem with the concept of adult programming.

The truth is that I have to be careful what I watch around the kids. I just don't see any reason why Tekzilla needs to be on that list.

Anyhow, in a few years the kids will learn to swear like sailors at the local schoolyard anyway.

Isn't public education a *****? I agree with you but I didn't feel like it was strained and the rest of the shows have no profanity. I don't want to hear profanity for no reason but I really hate it when they take away from something just to make it clean. I like watching things the way it was intended.

Although I was only using your situation as an example, I say **** adults who obsess over profanity. It's one thing to dislike profanity used without reason (or for a bad/nonartistic/whatever reason) but *****ing about profanity in all cases is ridiculous. There was a group that wanted to sue some network because their footage of 9/11 had some people using profanity. It's this stupid "moralistic", obsessive attitude that makes these words out to be evil when they are just words. Going after a network just because some people near one of the largest terrorist attacks on American soil said "****" is not being moral. It's being moronic.

If I ever have kids I will not teach them to hold these words higher then what they are (after the "picking up words and phrases phase of course). Kids use it because it's "forbidden" and "cool". Once it's just a word, it's no longer cool and it won't be used that much.

Also, it's the meaning and context that matter more IMO because I remember when "sharpening you pencil" was enough to make people laugh. Should we make that phrase profane because it was a euphamism for sex?

That's the type of people and attitudes that piss me off. You fall under the grey area and there it's pretty much a matter of preference and environment (company, location, kids, etc.).

The only reason I'm writing so much is that I want to make sure I explain my views in one post since these forums are just plain shit (craptastic if you will) and I don't know when it will hiccup again. Tekzilla doesn't need profanity and it will probably be clean for the most part but making Pat say "to hell with it" or some other strained bullshit is not cool. They should just bleep it or blank it (latest systm) if they want a clean rating. I really doubt this will ever be a problem for Tekzilla though and this thread should just die.

Not going to proofread. Too late (or early) for that.

[tempesta]

jgreen45.....troll. plain. simple. done.

[tnvwboy]

Interestingly I've not heard Pat swear since the first episode. But perhaps my desensitized ears missed something.

[mrpopular]

maybe he hasn't swore because of this thread.

[tyr]

jgreen45.....troll. plain. simple. done.

Oh please, people have to make their first post at some point and they should be able to do it without getting crap like that thrown into their face.

/ Sorry for going a bit off topic...

[thwackum]

I still don't get why people freak out about swearing, they're words just as much as any other words you use everyday. The only reason they're considered distasteful is because certain people can't get over the fact they're not special. Swear words are in fact a great way to express yourself. People swear in real life, so theres no reason we should have to censor it anywhere.

Also, the FCC has even let the ****-word be uncensored on regular, non-cable shows in cases where it was used in a non sexual way.

on top of that, the **** word comes from the word fokken, which means to thrust or strike. and what's wrong with a little thrusting, eh?

[masherscf]

I still don't get why people freak out about swearing, ...

There are several things that are labeled "swearing." Among these are the use of profane language and the use of vulgar language.

The use of profane language is the classic cursing. It is offensive to people of faith because there is a commandment against it.

The use of vulgar language is different. It's sort of like scratching you balls, belching, farting or picking your nose. Everyone does it. The kids think it's funny. But, in the end it's just rude.

Certain situations can tolerate a fair amount of rudeness. For example, I'd never expect soldiers in combat adhere to such niceties.

However, there are social situations where people are expected to carry themselves with a bit of courtesy. Most adults and children over the age of ten can usually make the judgment for themselves as long as they've had the right examples. However, I'd hate for my three year old daughter who is very proud of her new words to blurt out "f*ck" at the wrong moment. So, I watch the language she acquires.

[thwackum]

yes, true, I was referring to the classic cursing since thats this thread originally started because of the **** word.

And yes certain situations like job interviews, or at...bleh...church, or meeting your girls parents, etc. But on a show aimed towards people in the teens+?

I'm not saying that I want any of the shows at Rev3 to curse more, or less, or at all. I'm not saying that it would be ok for any of the hosts to mime masturbation, or say something like "I gave your mother a rim job". I'm just saying that if the someone swears that people shouldn't flip a b!tch

[pmhendry]

this is the internet people, get over it.

[bigstupid]

I'm getting sick of this crap...

If you want to complain, so be it.

If you want to send emails to sponsors in impotent protest, so be it.

If you want to b*tch about how this affects your kids (as if your behavior doesn't already do this enough) in some sort of negative way, so be it.

If you want to call it distracting and unnecessary (much like your opinions), so be it.

See, the beautiful thing about this is... I'm not part of revision 3, or beholden to some sort of spin machine via the mainstream media. I don't have to milk positive, for public opinion. I can call everyone a douchebag and it's cool, because I'm just some lone retard on the interweb.

Your kids will grow up to have problems, that's a certainty. Your kids will be more affected by how you handle the situations, occurrences, struggles, altercations, information, failures, and successes in life, than by simply being exposed to something. How you handle that something, is what matters most. If you treat swearing as something horrible, they will think of it as something horrible, yet still do it, for who know what reason. If you treat it as something that isn't always the right choice in certain situations, they will see that, still use it, but with more selective judgment.

Everyone has someone else to blame...

You ever wonder why you feel the way you do about something? Could it be that the seeds of your thoughts were planted in you when you were growing up... in the first 12 or so years of your life. Almost all of your basic programing is done before you even get to school... you take your cues from your parents mostly... or whomever takes care of you.. or are around the most.

How you handle conflict with your wife/husband is more important to the development of your child, than some show where a dude says the F bomb. What kind of a person you are at a fundamental level is what matters most. All these people that sit here and complain about this kind of thing are missing the point.

It's a word... it expresses something. He could have said it a little different, but then, if he did, what would you have to complain about now?

People are predictable and you can always tell in some way shape or form how a person grew up, based on what 'hangs them up'.

[heyseuss]

If you want to b*tch about how this affects your kids (as if your behavior doesn't already do this enough)


Bwwwahaahhhahahahahhahahhha. Nail. Head.

[masherscf]

Bwwwahaahhhahahahahhahahhha. Nail. Head.

Don't encourage him. About half of what he says he can do isn't allowed here, by forums rules.

I don't find the language in question offensive or particularly inappropriate. I'd just like some warning that it's coming. I can always arrange to watch the show without the little freaks present.

The rest of the rant, I find personally insulting, completely uncalled for and absolutely irrelevant.

[wizmaster]

Don't encourage him. About half of what he says he can do isn't allowed here, by forums rules.

I don't find the language in question offensive or particularly inappropriate. I'd just like some warning that it's coming. I can always arrange to watch the show without the little freaks present.

The rest of the rant, I find personally insulting, completely uncalled for and absolutely irrelevant.

Although I kinda agree with some of it, that rant has been pent up because it has almost nothing to do with this.

@BigStupid
Chill dude. The discussion isn't that the word is the largest problem a parent has to face when raising kids, but it is a problem. I think your rant is geared more towards the "holier than thou" and "cursing is the root of all evil" types which are hated by everyone, profanity user or not.

Again, I kinda agree with you but this was the wrong rant in the wrong thread.

[catavarie]

I personally have no problem with the use of "profanity" in any medium. Afterall profane words and phrases are constantly changing.,,for instance inthe 1930's gosh darn and oh golly were considered profane and not polite terms. But these days we think of them as some The Beave or Little Timmy would use, and give it no other thought. Let the man have his "profanity" afterall the more you try to shield your children from these so called forbidden terms the more they will eventually begin to use such terms. Instead teach them when such terms are suitable and when they are not.