Nintendo, what happend?

[piccols8]

I thought you were cool. But delaying Super Smash Brothers? I have heard that it is going to be released in mid February though, so that's not that long. How does this make you guys feel? (I feel like a psychologist)

[wizmaster]

The world's smallest violin is playing just for you.

Seriously, it's not a big deal. Getting a great game later is better then getting a crappy/ruined game soon.

[piccols8]

I know, it's just that I am going on a trip in the middle of December and was really excited to play it then. It's not really a big deal, just disappointing.

[gojira]

I fine with the delay. Granted I'm not a big Smash fan, but what I've been seeing of this game makes me want it more.

[limeygeeza]

But now it has Sonic!!!

Seriously, there are plenty of other games to enjoy this holiday season, I'm actually kinda a relieved it's delayed.

[lethal_hobo]

Hmmm... I don't know. IMO, the only really good reason for me to keep my Wii is for SSBB. The rest of the games are all basically badly ported games from the ps2 or gamecube.... :\

[wideawakewesley]

More time to play Super Mario Galaxy and the other raft of titles out before Christmas.

[jasonpoon]

I think they have some problem in the Wi-Fi play...the worst online platform in this generation console...

[scienceking]

Nintendo seems to be suffering thorough some massive internal problems. Almost like a company that is scared to grow to meet its market presence. I thought Iwata was taking the company in a great new direction after Yamauchi resigned, but now Nintendo seems to be a total mess, missing deadlines and with a non-existent supply chain. Its sad that such a talented company from a design and artistic perspective has fallen short on what seem to be simple administrative decisions left and right. :eek:

And if it were just one or two mistakes it could be overlooked, but I've noticed a pattered after about the first dozen... I just hope that the company can get its act together sooner rather than later. I can't imagine what its like in the board room right now...

[wideawakewesley]

Nintendo seems to be suffering thorough some massive internal problems. Almost like a company that is scared to grow to meet its market presence. I thought Iwata was taking the company in a great new direction after Yamauchi resigned, but now Nintendo seems to be a total mess, missing deadlines and with a non-existent supply chain. Its sad that such a talented company from a design and artistic perspective has fallen short on what seem to be simple administrative decisions left and right. :eek:

And if it were just one or two mistakes it could be overlooked, but I've noticed a pattered after about the first dozen... I just hope that the company can get its act together sooner rather than later. I can't imagine what its like in the board room right now...

I think you're totally overreacting.

:)

[scienceking]

I think you're totally overreacting.

You tell that to the Nintendo stock holders who are on the verge of launching formal investigations. :p When a for profit enterprise is not making as much revenue as it should be because of corporate mis planing, thats a bad thing.

[thelostwoods]

You'd think, now that sonic is in, the game would be coming faster! [rimshot] ...

...

:(

Okay, seriously though, it's not a big deal, but it still makes me sad. Now how an I going to get out all of my holiday aggression?

[esophagus]

I'm more upset that they haven't managed to increase Wii production in time for the holiday season. That ones a piss-off. they've been saying this entire time that they "didn't estimate such a large demand" and that their 'high numbers just werent high enough". They've had a year to deal with that. Why is it still harder than it should be to find one? But I only really want one for Smash Bros. and Zelda, so I'll wait.

[wizmaster]

You tell that to the Nintendo stock holders who are on the verge of launching formal investigations. :p When a for profit enterprise is not making as much revenue as it should be because of corporate mis planing, thats a bad thing.

Nintendo's stock holders are happy as hell especially after it became the number 2 company in Japan (not sure about now). They have no problems with Nintendo. You are seriously over-reacting. Missed deadlines? A release date is not a deadline. If there is a problem they WILL delay it. This is Nintendo. It's always been that way because of their above industry average QA.

Non existent supply chain? WTF are you smoking? The chain is there. Just because demand is still higher then supply doesn't mean the supply chain isn't there. I can find Wiis in NYC so it's only an outage in certain areas. Considering they are giving away free Wiimote jackets and including them in all new motes, I'd say they are supplying plenty.

Iwata has and is taking Nintendo in a new direction. Missed released dates is seen throughout the gaming industry (mostly because they get carried away and it's hard to pinpoint a year or more ahead because shit happens) so you need better evidence.

Why does Nintendo get crap for stuff like this when other companies and game devs don't?

[scienceking]

I'm more upset that they haven't managed to increase Wii production in time for the holiday season.

Don't discount them just yet. In July they picked up some new manufacturing partners in Taiwan that just might make it happen in time, although I am on the skeptical fence too. I have some experience with this corporate supply chain stuff, and Nintendo is becoming a textbook case of a failure in that regard...:( If such a supply chain woe had occurred in almost any other company, project directors would have been fired. It seems like Nintendo reversed engineered Apple's RDF technology, thats for sure.

Uh, what are you smoking, they have nominal supply reserve, and are still looking into finding more manufacturing partners! If the PMs at some of the companies I worked for were looking for manufacturing parters still even after some of the internal testing phases pre-launch, they'd have been canned! You obviously have never worked for a consumer electronics company.

[wizmaster]

I'm more upset that they haven't managed to increase Wii production in time for the holiday season. That ones a piss-off. they've been saying this entire time that they "didn't estimate such a large demand" and that their 'high numbers just werent high enough". They've had a year to deal with that. Why is it still harder than it should be to find one? But I only really want one for Smash Bros. and Zelda, so I'll wait.

Wiis are out there, just not in your area. There will be huge shipments before holidays (so get ready). They are not going to open more factories just to close them when demand lowers to sane levels (honestly, considering that there was almost NO advertisements to non-gamers, the launch and demand is WAY too high. Even the current ads don't account for this).

[wizmaster]

Don't discount them just yet. In July they picked up some new manufacturing partners in Taiwan that just might make it happen in time, although I am on the skeptical fence too. I have some experience with this corporate supply chain stuff, and Nintendo is becoming a textbook case of a failure in that regard...:( If such a supply chain woe had occurred in almost any other company, project directors would have been fired. It seems like Nintendo reversed engineered Apple's RDS technology, thats for sure.

I seriously doubt that.

[esophagus]

Wiis are out there, just not in your area. There will be huge shipments before holidays (so get ready). They are not going to open more factories just to close them when demand lowers to sane levels (honestly, considering that there was almost NO advertisements to non-gamers, the launch and demand is WAY too high. Even the current ads don't account for this).Actually, nintendo did a press release saying supplies are going to be really hard to come by around holidays, as they have been. I'm not saying to build new factories to temporarily do something. The demand is there after a year, they don't need to be doing tenfold or anything, but a lot of stores can't hold wiis longer than a day. not just in my area, so they should do something. I understand their problem though, this was a really overnight thing. No one was expecting it to be so huge. But, oh well.

[esophagus]

Don't discount them just yet. In July they picked up some new manufacturing partners in Taiwan that just might make it happen in time, although I am on the skeptical fence too. I have some experience with this corporate supply chain stuff, and Nintendo is becoming a textbook case of a failure in that regard...:( If such a supply chain woe had occurred in almost any other company, project directors would have been fired. It seems like Nintendo reversed engineered Apple's RDF technology, thats for sure.

Uh, what are you smoking, they have nominal supply reserve, and are still looking into finding more manufacturing partners! If the PMs at some of the companies I worked for were looking for manufacturing parters still even after some of the internal testing phases pre-launch, they'd have been canned! You obviously have never worked for a consumer electronics company. Not only are you full of BS, you're really full of yourself. Good job.

[scienceking]

Not only are you full of BS

I love it when people make profound conclusions with no evidence at all. Its funny, really.:D

Also, if you knew anything at all about modern asian/consumer electronics business, you'd know that Nintendo doesn't have any factories, so to build new ones would be out of the question...

[esophagus]

I love it when people make profound conclusions with no evidence at all. Its funny, really.:D

Also, if you knew anything at all about modern asian/consumer electronics business, you'd know that Nintendo doesn't have any factories, so to build new ones would be out of the question...Due to the tight supply of components such as IC chips and PCBs, Nintendo's plans to expand production of its Wii games console, originally set for June, have been delayed, according to Taiwan-based component makers.

With the delay of its plans, any easing of the Wii shortages in the worldwide market is unlikely to be seen in the second half of 2007, said the component makers.

Since Nintendo launched Wii in November 2006, the company has only introduced the games console in select regions such as the US, Japan, Europe and Australia. Worldwide accumulated shipments of Wii totaled 9.27 million units by June 2007, according to sources.


There you go. Still shortages. And with Nintendo working with Apple on the iPhone I highly doubt they want to throw any money they potentially have away by stealing technology.

[scienceking]

There you go. Still shortages. And with Nintendo working with Apple on the iPhone I highly doubt they want to throw any money they potentially have away by stealing technology.

HAHAHA, someone is new to the industry. In the IT industry, the RDF=reality distortion field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field). Apple is infamous as its master. That is a common Silicon valley joke. :rolleyes:

Also, I was projecting shortages too! I just mentioned the fact that they had a new manufacturing partner in Taiwan that is increasing their production by a great deal, and might improve the situation by November, which was all over EETimes and such. I don't see how I was "full of shit". Trust me, you don't want to ball with me in supply chain, as I actually worked in it and dealed with several manufacturing partners in Shanghai, so I know how this works. Tech's dirty little secret is that all these Chinese companies all use the same standard manufacturing techniques, and then you just have your mechanical and design engineers design around that...so unless you are making a really cutting edge product like a high end motherboard or something like the PS3, its all the same...and the wii is mostly stock parts that you can order for any project from those partners!

[esophagus]

HAHAHA, someone is new to the industry. In the IT industry, the RDF=reality distortion field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field). Apple is infamous as its master. That is a common Silicon valley joke. :rolleyes:

Also, I was projecting shortages too! I just mentioned the fact that they had a new manufacturing partner in Taiwan that is increasing their production by a great deal, and might improve the situation by November, which was all over EETimes and such. I don't see how I was "full of shit". Trust me, you don't want to ball with me in supply chain, as I actually worked in it and dealed with several manufacturing partners in Shanghai, so I know how this works. Tech's dirty little secret is that all these Chinese companies all use the same standard manufacturing techniques, and then you just have your mechanical and design engineers design around that...so unless you are making a really cutting edge product like a high end motherboard or something like the PS3, its all the same...and the wii is mostly stock parts that you can order for any project from those partners!
Part of the inudstry? Most people aren't, and you should really try not being a douchebag just because you are, or pretend to be.

As far as Taiwan goes, they're not really helping at all, and probably won't until at least 2008.

[gojira]

Wow, a two month delay on a game most people were surprised Nintendo was going to release this year has brought all this?

[eddielee]

The delay of Brawl has caused a brawl between two TRS fans. But seriously esophagus, don't give up on finding one. It'll be amazing when you finally get one and have a whole ton of games to play.

[guagloves]

I'm fine with the delay. This gives me more time to play and enjoy the slew of other games coming out this winter.