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THE DEATH OF A BAT
http://images.comicbookresources.com/litg/litg_yl.gifIn June/July, DC are killing off Batman. Or rather, Bruce Wayne. Robin will inherit the Batman cowl. One of the Robins anyway. Tim Drake. Jason Todd. Or possibly Red Hood. Hey, maybe Jean-Paul Valley, it has been ten years since Azrael.
Either way, the book will relaunch with a nice shiny #1.
Yes, didn't Captain America miss a trick there? I'm sure Marvel will do the same come 2009.
And what of Batwoman? Well, I'm told the launch of the Rucka/Williams series has been pushed back yet again because of the movie, and fears of "unacceptable media coverage." I'm told four issues are fully completed.
Apparently it's okay for Batman to be dead, and a new character take his place when there's a movie out. But not for Batwoman to be a lesbian. At least wait till it's gone to DVD for that brunette bombshell.
I'm reminded of the Warner Bros executive instruction to Grant Morrison and Dave McKean over "Arkham Asylum," that the Joker not be seen dressing up as Madonna in case the cinema audience believed that meant Jack Nicholson was a transvestite.
kahunablair
11-05-2007, 10:29 PM
I guess this makes sense right?
I don't read the Bat books, but everyone keeps saying that it seems like they were writing Robin as a Batman replacement.
Is anyone shocked by this?
esophagus
11-05-2007, 10:32 PM
I'm not shocked, I just don't believe it. If they were going to kill Batman, especially next summer, why would they announce it now?
valoharth
11-05-2007, 10:49 PM
Your all wrong, the person whos going to take Batmans place is Terry McGuinness! haha... okay so I didnt say that with a straight face...
kwok_talk
11-05-2007, 10:49 PM
What the heck?!
valoharth
11-05-2007, 10:53 PM
What the heck?!
Batman Beyond's alter ego...
superfriend82
11-05-2007, 10:54 PM
I think bats replacement shold be Tim Drake or Dick.Tim seems more like the best but my OCD is saying Dick.
six-gun
11-05-2007, 11:02 PM
where did you get this Fred?
senoj1
11-05-2007, 11:05 PM
If this is done right which i know it will i will shed a tear, and so close to my birthday and the dark knight film jeez. Where is this from?
esophagus
11-05-2007, 11:07 PM
I think bats replacement shold be Tim Drake or Dick.Tim seems more like the best but my OCD is saying Dick.There's no way in hell it would be Tim. He's not even done high school. And, if Bats has his way, it'll be Dick. Or maybe Jean Paul. =p
six-gun
11-05-2007, 11:17 PM
Found the source (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13)
I really don't want this to happen at all
esophagus
11-05-2007, 11:21 PM
Don't worry. It won't.
superfriend82
11-05-2007, 11:27 PM
There's no way in hell it would be Tim. He's not even done high school. And, if Bats has his way, it'll be Dick. Or maybe Jean Paul. =p
Oh god your right tim isn't done with high school. i that case it's Dick or Jean Paul. I like dick better.
six-gun
11-05-2007, 11:28 PM
Don't worry. It won't.
The dude called Cap's death
where did you get this Fred?
I'm not shocked, I just don't believe it. If they were going to kill Batman, especially next summer, why would they announce it now?
They didn't announce it. It was leaked to Rich Johnston who wrote the article that I quoted for his weekly column at CBR - Lying In The Gutters.
valoharth
11-05-2007, 11:30 PM
Really if this does happen and Bruce does die, its going to be some one you wouldn't expect stepping up, from what I've been seeing is that maybe Jason will take the cowl for a while until Tim gets pissed and take him out. Then magicly somehow Bruce is back in the picture, because I don't think that a Batman title could carry on with out him for more then a couple years. I know Cap A has a bunch of clout but really not as many people know who he is as much as people associate Bruce to Batman.
superfriend82
11-05-2007, 11:30 PM
Don't worry. It won't.
Why not if they can do it with Cap why not bats, but i guess can see where your coming form it won't last long.Still itn be fun for a while.
esophagus
11-05-2007, 11:31 PM
They didn't announce it. It was leaked to Rich Johnston who wrote the article that I quoted for his weekly column at CBR - Lying In The Gutters.In which case, I doubt they'll want to go through with it now. Also, he's a douche for announcing it.
The dude called Cap's death
Rich Johnston is frequently right and at least nearly always close with things of these sort. I read his column every Monday within an hour or two of it going up. I've gotten a lot of items like this from him.
By the way, thanks all for the frenzied response that I expected. I was happy to see that my drive home netted nearly 15 responses.
In which case, I doubt they'll want to go through with it now. Also, he's a douche for announcing it.
That used to happen in the early days of the internet, but now most companies realize how much of a disaster it is to walk away from something that they spent time building up just because people expect it.
valoharth
11-05-2007, 11:33 PM
Rich Johnston is frequently right and at least nearly always close with things of these sort. I read his column every Monday within an hour or two of it going up. I've gotten a lot of items like this from him.
Could you link his site? or did you and I missed it some how
Could you link his site? or did you and I missed it some how
http://comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13
six-gun
11-05-2007, 11:43 PM
This is just not a story line I'm interested in
valoharth
11-05-2007, 11:48 PM
This is just not a story line I'm interested in
Sadly enough it is for me :( Now I gotta start buying Batman so I will be caught up when it comes around, I just pray that their isn't any more bad story arcs like the ones during the whole One Year Later thing. I dont think I could handle it. Yea Im a tool :(
I really hope Steve Rogers stays dead. Bring a Steve Rogers from the past, clone him - although in theory all you'd get is a skinny, weak Steve Rogers, or replace him with any of the discussed suspects. As I've said before, I don't want to be jaded. Barry has stayed dead, why not Steve?
But when I read the column this morning I didn't buy it. One, not a real announcement. Two, Rich is often very wrong also. Three, there's no set up. If Batman "dies," I say he'll be back before The Dark Knight Returns hits DVDs.
It would actually be a cool story if Bruce Wayne aged to the point of having to step down because he can't do it any more. But that would be after a ton of stories where he's almost killed because he's just not up to it. He would hand over the mantle but would not be happy about it. It could provide some great, gut wrenching, Raging Bull, stories but who wants to read about Grandpa Batman?
DC is always retooling the heroes so they stay in their prime except for the official crowd of Elders in the JSA. Batman would have to be injured again (Bane, anyone?) or die. Not buyin' it.
mastap
11-06-2007, 12:08 AM
It would actually be a cool story if Bruce Wayne aged to the point of having to step down because he can't do it any more. But that would be after a ton of stories where he's almost killed because he's just not up to it. He would hand over the mantle but would not be happy about it. It could provide some great, gut wrenching, Raging Bull, stories but who wants to read about Grandpa Batman?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/41/BB_logo2.jpg
valoharth
11-06-2007, 12:08 AM
It would actually be a cool story if Bruce Wayne aged to the point of having to step down because he can't do it any more. But that would be after a ton of stories where he's almost killed because he's just not up to it. He would hand over the mantle but would not be happy about it. It could provide some great, gut wrenching, Raging Bull, stories but who wants to read about Grandpa Batman? .
That was the whole premiss for Batman Beyond, I think it worked really well and fit into the whole idea the Bruce has this whole thing of finding some one whom reminds him of his younger self and training them to fill his shoes. There is no doubt that we will see Tim as a form of Batman, with Bruce in the background watching over him telling him what he's done wrong.
xyzzy
11-06-2007, 01:03 AM
If this really happens, that might be interesting enough to get me to read some DC books.
mrugly
11-06-2007, 01:32 AM
I really hope this is a joke. Batman is my favorite super hero by far. I liked him even when I was indifferent to comics as a kid. Killing him would be so wrong.
miyamotofreak
11-06-2007, 03:04 AM
I don't like it. To me Bruce Wayne IS Batman. Batman without Bruce is Spidey without Pete. Bad, bad idea.
kahunablair
11-06-2007, 03:10 AM
I don't like it. To me Bruce Wayne IS Batman. Batman without Bruce is Spidey without Pete. Bad, bad idea.
People probably said the same thing about Hal Jordan... and Barry Allen... and Wally West...
mastap
11-06-2007, 03:23 AM
People probably said the same thing about Hal Jordan... and Barry Allen... and Wally West...
Second version, second version, third version...
kahunablair
11-06-2007, 03:28 AM
Second version, second version, third version...
Exactly my point.
mastap
11-06-2007, 03:33 AM
Exactly my point.
except, the second wave replaced low selling characters 10-15 years after thier creation. Then thier replacements came in when both had low sales. Batman maintains at least 5 books and has been around for over 60 years
horatio616
11-06-2007, 03:45 AM
I really hope he doesn't die. I hope he just fakes his death, falls in love, and moves somewhere nice. That way it leaves the door open for his return. Of course, in comics even death doesn't close the door for a return.
mastap
11-06-2007, 03:48 AM
I really hope he doesn't die. I hope he just fakes his death, falls in love, and moves somewhere nice. That way it leaves the door open for his return. Of course, in comics even death doesn't close the door for a return.
It's BATMAN! wait for an editorial shift and BOOM! he's back
jimski
11-06-2007, 04:20 AM
I read something interesting about the DC big leaguers becoming the new New Gods on Fifth World and the next generation getting promoted... but I only understand every third word of what I just wrote. I don't really speak DC.
mastap
11-06-2007, 04:26 AM
I read something interesting about the DC big leaguers becoming the new New Gods on Fifth World and the next generation getting promoted... but I only understand every third word of what I just wrote. I don't really speak DC.
That could go so wrong I don't even know where to start.
Thanks for trying Jimski, the DC fans appreciate it
labor_days
11-06-2007, 04:27 AM
I read something interesting about the DC big leaguers becoming the new New Gods on Fifth World and the next generation getting promoted... but I only understand every third word of what I just wrote. I don't really speak DC.
Haha.
http://comicdb.dreamers.com/marvelzombies01rep.jpg
(I don't care if Bruce Wayne dies as long as it's written well. The DC trinity as the New Gods of the Fifth World sounds exciting.)
esophagus
11-06-2007, 04:36 AM
So I thought about this and heres the story I want to see come to be, if this has to happen.
Bane comes back and announces to all that Batman simply wasn't ready last time. He was at his peak, something Bane didn't account for. Now, he's moved past it, and Bane can stop him. The same story ensues, Arkham's criminals are released, and Batmans bacck is broken. This time he's done for. Not dead, but totally comatose, with no chance of returning. The entire gang of Gotham groupies comes together to decide what to do. Batwoman is there, Batgirl is there, Nightwing, Jason Todd, Tim, Oracle, and Huntress, even Alfred I'm sure. They're all trying to decide what measures should be taken and in the end decide no one can be Bruce. It's better that they all work harder at keeping things safe in his absence than too try and fill the unfillable bat-boots. But, in doing so they leave room for a No Mans Land-esque gang war for someone to take over. All of the villains realize that in the absence of the caped crusader there is room for a new hero to step up. Eventually, obviously, that hero could turn on the people and leave them in total control. Joker has someone going for it, as does Penguin, as does Luthor, so on and so forth. Someone's hero, preferably Joker's in my mind, goes straight, realizing the potential there is if they save the city. And that man becomes the new Batman. In the end we have a new dark knight, and the potential for the original to come back.
That was the whole premiss for Batman Beyond, I think it worked really well and fit into the whole idea the Bruce has this whole thing of finding some one whom reminds him of his younger self and training them to fill his shoes.
I'm aware of that but what I'm talking about wouldn't be so sanitized. I'm talking about watching the tragedy of a hero losing his edge, becoming slower, weaker, a risk... and all around him his truly super friends are maintaining their powers. Who's going to tell him to hang it up? Who will he listen to?
The idea of finally reaching the point on thinking he needs a gun is a good one so hang onto that. He passes on the mantle but he's not just crotchety like he was in the cartoon. He pushes the new Batman hard, even sabotaging him in the name of training. His friends stop him, making him realize it's no longer his time.
Then the new Batman, Dick Grayson, dies.
And that's the story that eventually leads into Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns.
We are getting dangerously close to fan fic. This must stop now.
humphrey-lee
11-06-2007, 07:26 AM
My opinions on the matter, copy and pasted:
"Good. Progress is good. Change is good. People live, people die, the cycle of life goes on. Don't see any reason it can't happen to fictional characters too. Just don't **** up the execution."
"If this goes through, I honestly truly and sincerely hope it lasts at least five years, maybe more. I want books and storylines to have consequences, which is why I pretty much don't read franchise books anymore. The only books that really have any development are the B-level sales crews, the Daredevil's, the Captain America's, the Iron Fist's of the industry. I mean, in the end, none of them "mean" anything because everything gets blown up and rebooted eventually, but goddammit at least give me five to ten years of consequential storytelling that does mean ****ing something at the time and results in a great combination of creativity, storytelling, and heart.
The only reason that I was down on the killing of Cap is because it was the first time in a long long while anyone had good stories for the character and that's why I kind of miss him. But y'know what, I've read a metric ****ton of Batman books, and there's a metric ****ton more out there I haven't read if I need to see some Bruce Wayne asskicking. If taking the character out and promoting one of his well developed sidekicks or ex-sidekicks into a more important role is going to make that part of the universe more interesting and developmental for the next half decade to ten years, do it. Just don't let this be a stupid ****ing gimmick that will last as long as a baseball season does. If you're going to do it, do it ****ing right.
Yeehaw"
mikegraham6
11-06-2007, 02:47 PM
I don't care if Bruce Wayne dies as long as it's written well.
i agree, as long as it's a good story, I'm there. Regardless, this fits with the DC "legacy" theme, which i really enjoy
luthor
11-06-2007, 04:05 PM
Dan Didio made numerous references to something akin to Batman Beyond as being part of the multiverse last year during con season. I could see Bruce apparently being killed in some kind of explosion, while some new, mysterious and futuristic Batman comes forward to protect Gotham. Only to have Bruce return from Earth 37 wearing his brand new Bat-suit(which would spawn all kinds of fan furor and, duh, sales) about a year later...
Or they could completely shake things up. Tim could become Batman, Jason takes the roll of Red Robin(The thought of a Jason Todd book written by Chuck Dixon...gah that would be awesome) and Dick stays Nightwing.
I don't think DC would replace Bruce with anyone whose already staring in their own title that's some what successful. DC's business model has always been, introduce a character in one title and have them spin out into their own monthly/mini/maxi/whatever...
Anyway it(potentially) happens I think it will be pretty cool. The creative teams right now know the characters and I don't see any bad anywhere.
esophagus
11-06-2007, 07:39 PM
"Good. Progress is good. Change is good. People live, people die, the cycle of life goes on. Don't see any reason it can't happen to fictional characters too. Just don't **** up the execution."
"If this goes through, I honestly truly and sincerely hope it lasts at least five years, maybe more. I want books and storylines to have consequencesI agree. I would be pissed to see him go because, well, he's Batman. I just can't think of anyone who would manage to replace him (by the way, did the leak say someone would replace him, or is this just a common assumption? things might go better if Bruce is the end of Bats). But, if they're going to go through with it, I don't think I'd have a problem if it was well-written, and had serious, lasting, effects.
Sure, what I said I want to see happen is fairly specific, but it's really just an example of something that could happen. Something that would make for a large scale, serious, well-written storyline.
(by the way, did the leak say someone would replace him, or is this just a common assumption? things might go better if Bruce is the end of Bats).
from the quote:
In June/July, DC are killing off Batman. Or rather, Bruce Wayne. Robin will inherit the Batman cowl. One of the Robins anyway. Tim Drake. Jason Todd. Or possibly Red Hood. Hey, maybe Jean-Paul Valley, it has been ten years since Azrael.
emphasis added
esophagus
11-06-2007, 07:49 PM
from the quote:
In June/July, DC are killing off Batman. Or rather, Bruce Wayne. Robin will inherit the Batman cowl. One of the Robins anyway. Tim Drake. Jason Todd. Or possibly Red Hood. Hey, maybe Jean-Paul Valley, it has been ten years since Azrael.
emphasis addedOh. Forgot about that part. Damn. I was reeeeeeeally hoping that if anyone had to take over, it wouldn't be one of the Robins.
paper
11-06-2007, 09:06 PM
What if it's Robin Wright Penn? Or Robin Williams?
paper
11-06-2007, 09:07 PM
Or a cone of Baskin-Robins.
esophagus
11-06-2007, 09:17 PM
What if it's Robin Wright Penn? Or Robin Williams?
Patch Adams II: All Gotham Needed was a Laugh
humphrey-lee
11-07-2007, 06:03 AM
Or a cone of Baskin-Robins.
... If I could actually reach into a computer and smack someone upside the head, this would be the time...
thefreakytiki
11-07-2007, 11:39 AM
The biggest problem with "comicdom's" pillar characters is their lack of ability to evolve. These characters have been branded so heavily on the American psyche that they have painted themselves into a corner when it comes to storytelling. In the end, they become stale to those who have known them for years.
If DC does this and sticks to it, KUDOS to them I say! I still wonder to this day what would Spider-man be like today if Marvel had the balls to stay they course and stick with the outcome of the Clone Saga. They certainly would not have situations like they do now (married with a dying relative in the hospital). If DC chickens out the do have a couple of established outs in this current storyline alone (i.e. Lazarus Pits and Ra's Al Ghul's new "soul jumping" into a new host ability).
I guess the real question that is... Who is the true "brand" her for DC Batman or Bruce Wayne?
Can Bruce Wayne survive without Batman or can Batman survrive without Bruce Wayne when it comes toliscensing and marketing in the real world. I look forward to seeing these results.
the Tiki http://www.pixeljoint.com/files/icons/tiki_torches.gif
mikegraham6
11-07-2007, 04:00 PM
Patch Adams II: All Gotham Needed was a Laugh
In my best Old Jewish man voice: "Wha? The Joker's not funny enough for you??":D
ghostevo
11-07-2007, 04:37 PM
Ha. Very funny esophagus.
valoharth
11-07-2007, 05:51 PM
If DC chickens out the do have a couple of established outs in this current storyline alone (i.e. Lazarus Pits and Ra's Al Ghul's new "soul jumping" into a new host ability).
I guess the real question that is... Who is the true "brand" her for DC Batman or Bruce Wayne?
Can Bruce Wayne survive without Batman or can Batman survrive without Bruce Wayne when it comes toliscensing and marketing in the real world. I look forward to seeing these results.
the Tiki http://www.pixeljoint.com/files/icons/tiki_torches.gif
Ofcourse DC has an out for this, just like Marvel has and out planned to bring Rogers back, they wouldn't even concider this unless they did (if its even true).
I had a funny thought, what if some how they brought back the female Robin from a couple years back (I don't know who it is, I wasn't reading Batman at the time) and she ends up being the new Batman! hahaha... okay that was funny when I thought about it, now that I've read it, not so much.
esophagus
11-07-2007, 06:11 PM
Ha. Very funny esophagus.I do what I can.
bogotoko
11-09-2007, 03:21 AM
What's up with killing off characters that were basically the foundation for these titles? Yeah, I know, killing off key characters (i.e. Superman) sells titles.
Here's a novel idea for publishers to try... how about having good writers (i.e. Brian Bendis) and good artists (i.e. Jim Lee) for the book? You can't have one without the other... just like a Peanut Butter Cup :)
Any how, I don't care what the speculation is... Bruce Wayne is going nowhere. DC experienced the huge fall out when they tried it with Superman, and in the last decade Batman already suffered a major storyline change with the Knightfall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knightfall)series.
NO ONE liked seeing someone else wear the cowl. I know someday Bruce Wayne will die, but not in our lifetime and definitely not in the Earth Prime universe.
luthor
11-09-2007, 03:37 AM
DC experienced the huge fall out when they tried it with Superman
If by huge fallout you mean the best selling comic book of all time, a spin out DVD movie(that had huge sales), and a new set of characters(some of whom have starred in best selling comic books), then yes, there was some huge fallout. At the end of the day, DC has one priority: to make money.
superfriend82
11-09-2007, 04:02 AM
I like the idea of killing Wyane off. Do i think they can the same with Rogers as might do with Wyane no. I say kill him off for a year or so and bring him back.
I like the idea of the female Robin i would mind if they had one for a little bit.
conorkilpatrick
11-09-2007, 04:06 AM
I like the idea of the female Robin i would mind if they had one for a little bit.
They did.
http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/thumb/f/fb/Robin_v.4_126.jpg/300px-Robin_v.4_126.jpg
doomlobster
11-09-2007, 04:10 AM
Good ol' Stephanie Brown. And damn you, Dr. Leslie Thompkins.
mikegraham6
11-09-2007, 01:42 PM
Good ol' Stephanie Brown. And damn you, Dr. Leslie Thompkins.
what was her reasoning behind that? i remember she was responsible, but i don't remember why
esophagus
11-09-2007, 06:59 PM
what was her reasoning behind that? i remember she was responsible, but i don't remember whyShe screwed up on purpose when treating her to try and teach Batman that consistantly using children as sidekicks can't end well.
mikegraham6
11-09-2007, 07:03 PM
She screwed up on purpose when treating her to try and teach Batman that consistantly using children as sidekicks can't end well.
that's pretty ridiculous......
She didn't think Jason Todd's death was enough?
conorkilpatrick
11-09-2007, 07:06 PM
that's pretty ridiculous......
She didn't think Jason Todd's death was enough?
Clearly he didn't learn if after Jason he added three more teen sidekicks.
jon_samuelson
11-09-2007, 07:08 PM
I feel like I come to this concept from an interesting point of view in that I've always WANTED to like the Batman comics, but I've never been able to stomach them for very long. I absolutely love the self-contained storylines (Dark Knight, Long Halloween, Arkham Asylum, etc.), but something about the regular titles has always seemed very stagnant to me.
I therefore think that, if done well, and treated with a great amount of respect, a real "Death of Bruce Wayne" story could be phenomenal. It would have to be a true passing of the mantle of Batman, rather than some bastardized new version of him (ala AzBat). It would really need to be a true passing of all of the things we love about Batman: he's an awesome fighter, he's a great Detective, he's a little crazy, but above all else he's a decent man trying to do the right thing in a world of shit.
It could really serve to shake things up for a character that, as I mentioned, I desperately want to like. But I think it would have to be treated with a great amount of respect. I think DC Editorial would have to have a real moratoriam about bringing Bruce Wayne back for a VERY long time. They'd really have to allow for a long settling in period for the new Batman to find his groove, and say "NO!" to any writer who came to them and said "I've got this great idea for the 'Return of Bruce Wayne'". If they did anything like they did with Superman, and killed off Bruce just to bring him back... that'd be lame.
I'm honestly really excited about this, so much so that I think I'm gonna stop off and buy the latest issue of Batman on the way home so that I can hit the ground running if this story comes out. Of course it's probably all bullshit, and I'll wind up being disappointed. At least it's a Ra's Al Ghul storyline though, he was always my favorite Batman villian. I love the "Ends justify the means" sorts of villians.
NO ONE liked seeing someone else wear the cowl. I know someday Bruce Wayne will die, but not in our lifetime and definitely not in the Earth Prime universe.
Well, what Jean-paul was wearing was hardly batman at all. Stupid Iron-bat thing.
bogotoko
11-12-2007, 07:17 PM
If readers are tired of Bruce Wayne as Batman, why doesn't DC just start a new title with Tim or love child Damian wearing the cowl? It's pretty easy to do with the crisis issues and all the alternate earths being explored.
With this concept, we "old timers" can keep Bruce Wayne starring in the Detective and Batman titles, and the new generation can have someone else in the cowl.
esophagus
11-12-2007, 07:24 PM
Because then there would be two Batmen?
kahunablair
11-12-2007, 07:25 PM
Because then there would be two Batmen?
I think he's arguing more for an Ultimate-style Bat book, hence the mention of multiverses and alternate Earths.
superfriend82
11-12-2007, 08:44 PM
They did.
http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/thumb/f/fb/Robin_v.4_126.jpg/300px-Robin_v.4_126.jpg
How long was she Rodin? I didn't think that it was long,but i don't know becase i wasn't reading Robin at that time. any way to see another or the same come back for a little bit.
esophagus
11-12-2007, 08:49 PM
How long was she Rodin? I didn't think that it was long,but i don't know becase i wasn't reading Robin at that time. any way to see another or the same come back for a little bit.Stephanie should have came back instead of Jason. But, no. No chance. DC is far past done with being involved with her.
conorkilpatrick
11-12-2007, 08:57 PM
Stephanie should have came back instead of Jason...
It wouldn't have had anywhere near the same impact or controversey. She's nowhere near Jason's level of importance, story-wise.
esophagus
11-12-2007, 09:07 PM
It wouldn't have had anywhere near the same impact or controversey. She's nowhere near Jason's level of importance, story-wise.
I know, I just think there's a lot of stories to be told there, to possible appease the angry fangrrrls.
superfriend82
11-12-2007, 09:40 PM
I still would like to see a female robin. Yes i know of the female Robin in the batman strikes u.
gungadin
11-13-2007, 01:34 AM
It wouldn't have had anywhere near the same impact or controversey. She's nowhere near Jason's level of importance, story-wise.
So that begs the question, should they have brought back Jason?
I still would like to see a female robin. Yes i know of the female Robin in the batman strikes u.
Dark Knight Returns... :p
conorkilpatrick
11-13-2007, 01:36 AM
So that begs the question, should they have brought back Jason?
My position on that is quite clear (http://www.revision3.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10702).
conor secretly loves jason todd. ;)
kahunablair
11-13-2007, 02:36 AM
Have I ever told you guys how much I love Conor?
He's a murdering douche.
Well I do!
projektidiot
11-13-2007, 06:02 AM
Next year:
Jason Todd becomes Batman.
Punisher gets a reset with his new title "Punisher: **** Justice".
jon_samuelson
11-13-2007, 07:51 PM
Next year:
Jason Todd becomes Batman.
Punisher gets a reset with his new title "Punisher: **** Justice".
Is this a quote from an article? Not knowing much of anything about Jason Todd aside from what I just read on Wikipedia... I think it would be a TOTAL DISASTER if they replaced Bruce Wayne as Batman with Jason Todd. I don't want to see a Batman who's willing to use lethal force, that's what AzBat was, and it was stupid. If DC's serious about making this a good story I don't think using Jason Todd as the replacement is a very good foot to start off on.
conorkilpatrick
11-13-2007, 08:02 PM
Is this a quote from an article? Not knowing much of anything about Jason Todd aside from what I just read on Wikipedia... I think it would be a TOTAL DISASTER if they replaced Bruce Wayne as Batman with Jason Todd. I don't want to see a Batman who's willing to use lethal force, that's what AzBat was, and it was stupid. If DC's serious about making this a good story I don't think using Jason Todd as the replacement is a very good foot to start off on.
It's not a quote, it's a flight of fancy.
cylonpete
11-13-2007, 08:06 PM
Is this a quote from an article? Not knowing much of anything about Jason Todd aside from what I just read on Wikipedia... I think it would be a TOTAL DISASTER if they replaced Bruce Wayne as Batman with Jason Todd. I don't want to see a Batman who's willing to use lethal force, that's what AzBat was, and it was stupid. If DC's serious about making this a good story I don't think using Jason Todd as the replacement is a very good foot to start off on.
First off, I'm all for killing off Bruce Wayne, because I really like that character. I think a death in a story should always mean something, as it did in BtVS. But that's a completely different story...
Anyway, Jason Todd as the Batman? Genius! Yeah, AzBat sucked, but I could see Jason in the Suit. In the JLA, and you know he would get in somehow, he would give all the others heroes crap.
But I guess he has to lose the whole 'lethal force' angle about him before DD let's him take that role.
Personally, I'd like to see Dick taking the mantle, but at the same time hating it. He would only do it out of obligation, not because he wants to. That could make for some pretty good stories.
I'm all for the changing up thing; I'd love to see a DCU that works in "real-life terms", seeing the characters age and having them have "true" impact on the world around them.
Oh, and that Supes-dude totally has to become a New God. That would give him original stories for the first time in ages...Just my two cents...
conorkilpatrick
11-13-2007, 08:12 PM
Personally, I'd like to see Dick taking the mantle, but at the same time hating it. He would only do it out of obligation, not because he wants to. That could make for some pretty good stories.
I don't think it will be Dick simply because we've already had that storyline. He was Batman after Azrael was.
Oh, and that Supes-dude totally has to become a New God. That would give him original stories for the first time in ages...Just my two cents...
You must not read All Star Superman or the new Action Comics.
cylonpete
11-13-2007, 08:29 PM
You must not read All Star Superman or the new Action Comics.
But I can't... stop ... myself! And just for the record, I like Action quite a bit, but I doesn't feel as good as I want it to be. All-Star on the other hand is so over the top that it's amazing.
Anyway, I'm a sucker for everything with the S in it, I even stick with Smallville, even though it's dreadful at times. So I shouldn't complain, because I continue to watch, it's my own decision and I get the feeling I'm digging a hole I won't get out, so... I'm just too tired for this...:confused:
bogotoko
11-13-2007, 10:48 PM
I think he's arguing more for an Ultimate-style Bat book, hence the mention of multiverses and alternate Earths.
Exactly. In the Countdown to Crisis series, we've seen Jason Todd and his crew visitly alternate Earths. On Earth 8 Jason is the Batman, and could result in a new series.
Whose to say that all of these alternate Earths are just a means for DC to test readers if they like how characters are portrayed, and maybe start its own series from that Earth.... maybe called Earth 8: Batman?
kahunablair
11-13-2007, 11:13 PM
Whose to say that all of these alternate Earths are just a means for DC to test readers if they like how characters are portrayed, and maybe start its own series from that Earth.... maybe called Earth 8: Batman?
Maybe. The only problem with that is what seems to be coming.
If DC continues it's usual game plan we're about to see all the universes becoming one.
It goes:
1) The Multiverse is created/discovered.
2) Villian attempts to warp/control the Multiverse.
3) Heroes stop Villian.
4) Villian is revealed to be a puppet, with an even more evil, badder Villian pulling their strings.
5) Bigger, Badder Villian is defeated, usually with some "Epic" deaths on the Hero's side.
6) The Multiverse is brought into One single Universe to "Save them all".
7) Wait a few years, begin again at #1.
projektidiot
11-13-2007, 11:49 PM
It's not a quote, it's a flight of fancy.
Yup. It was a joke.
bogotoko
11-14-2007, 12:12 AM
Good point Kahuna. Whatever happened to creative writing?
Good point Kahuna. Whatever happened to creative writing?
He gave up on comics. He's a Walmart greeter now. Would you like a sticker?
bogotoko
11-14-2007, 02:06 AM
He gave up on comics. He's a Walmart greeter now. Would you like a sticker?
LOL!!! :D
Is that like, "Would you like fries with that?"
kind of. they give out these retarded smiley face stickers. They're like really elderly hari krishnas (sp?).
mikegraham6
11-14-2007, 02:49 PM
I don't think it will be Dick simply because we've already had that storyline. He was Batman after Azrael was.
Why oh why is this trade not still in print?!?!? You mentionned it 6 months ago as well and al i've been able to find are used copies on Amazon.com for way more than i'm willing to pay.
You'd think this would be a pretty popular storyline that Bat-fans would want to read, DC should release it again!
kahunablair
11-14-2007, 03:05 PM
Why oh why is this trade not still in print?!?!? You mentionned it 6 months ago as well and al i've been able to find are used copies on Amazon.com for way more than i'm willing to pay.
You'd think this would be a pretty popular storyline that Bat-fans would want to read, DC should release it again!
I think it's tainted by the whole Azrael as Batman storyline.
bogotoko
11-17-2007, 12:56 AM
So what do think made the whole Az-Bat thing bad? Was it the armor? The psychotic tendencies? The whole "I was made for this this" attitude? Or throwing poor Tim out of the cave?
It was cool when Dick was filling in; it was a great match and I was a little disappointed when it ended and Dick didn't feel worthy to wear the mantle.
Hopefully that attitude will change if Bruce is retired.
luthor
11-17-2007, 02:42 AM
For me, what made the Az-bats saga bad was what made most of the 90s comics bad. Too much of too little. It seemed like it was all special bagged, double sized anniversary issues with Chromium covers and a trading card. I still don't think it was a bad idea, it was just poorly executed.
esophagus
11-17-2007, 02:50 AM
For me, what made the Az-bats saga bad was what made most of the 90s comics bad. Too much of too little. It seemed like it was all special bagged, double sized anniversary issues with Chromium covers and a trading card. I still don't think it was a bad idea, it was just poorly executed.I recently reread everything straight up until Batman got his back broken. I stopped there. I think that part was really well-done, but I just wasn't a huge fan of the whole story afterwards.
esophagus
11-17-2007, 02:51 AM
Why oh why is this trade not still in print?!?!? You mentionned it 6 months ago as well and al i've been able to find are used copies on Amazon.com for way more than i'm willing to pay.
You'd think this would be a pretty popular storyline that Bat-fans would want to read, DC should release it again!
It's not in print? Are you sure? My comic shop has (had, its not my regular one, i havent been in a while) all the trades.
mikegraham6
11-19-2007, 12:11 PM
It's not in print? Are you sure? My comic shop has (had, its not my regular one, i havent been in a while) all the trades.
i can't find it new on Amazon.ca or Amazon.com, they are on it but it's used and pretty damn expensive
luthor
11-20-2007, 03:14 AM
From this weeks LITG: (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13)
BAT PROMOTION
The last two LITG columns... this one and this one, have covered the death of Bruce Wayne, his ascendancy as a Fifth World New God, and his replacement here on Earth.
I can now tell you that the new Batman will be designed by Alex Ross and will see Jason Todd under the cowl.
Poor Dick Grayson. Don't you hate it when someone junior to you is promoted above your head?
This is all part of a cross-continuity, longform story by Grant Morrison and in terms of structure bears similarity to his “New X-Men,” but on a far wider scale. It sounds rather good.
comhcinc
11-20-2007, 03:20 AM
this world be alot more interesting if i didn't know about it.
kahunablair
11-20-2007, 03:25 AM
However, that plan was abandoned internally at DC and reduced to a Bat-storyline by Grant Morrison. So look for Bruce Wayne New God to go head-to-head with Darkseid in "Final Crisis."
....
WHAT?!
esophagus
11-20-2007, 03:28 AM
**** this. Why do I keep coming back to this thread? I need to hit my head on something really hard and forget.
six-gun
11-20-2007, 03:39 AM
From this weeks LITG: (http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13)
BAT PROMOTION
The last two LITG columns... this one and this one, have covered the death of Bruce Wayne, his ascendancy as a Fifth World New God, and his replacement here on Earth.
I can now tell you that the new Batman will be designed by Alex Ross and will see Jason Todd under the cowl.
Poor Dick Grayson. Don't you hate it when someone junior to you is promoted above your head?
This is all part of a cross-continuity, longform story by Grant Morrison and in terms of structure bears similarity to his “New X-Men,” but on a far wider scale. It sounds rather good.
This just made me throw up.
Is anyone else as horrified as me, I mean the "it will get us good stories" excuse is a cop out in my mind, yeah Brubaker's tearing up the universe in Cap, but there's only one writer at DC I'd trust with this and he's not Grant Morrison, I don't think I'd continue reading Bat-books if Bruce Wayne died because he's my favorite character.
kahunablair
11-20-2007, 03:42 AM
I don't think I'd continue reading Bat-books if Bruce Wayne died because he's my favorite character.
He's not dying... He's becoming a New God.... argh.
six-gun
11-20-2007, 03:44 AM
He's not dying... He's becoming a New God.... argh.
like I said, vomit
esophagus
11-20-2007, 03:45 AM
The DCU is easily my favorite of the two big companies. They always shake things up, and it usually turns out pretty well. Good stuff. This I just don't think they can spin though. God. I'm pissed.
six-gun
11-20-2007, 03:48 AM
The DCU is easily my favorite of the two big companies. They always shake things up, and it usually turns out pretty well. Good stuff. This I just don't think they can spin though. God. I'm pissed.
I'm surprised more of us aren't
conorkilpatrick
11-20-2007, 03:49 AM
I'm surprised more of us aren't
Maybe because it's all just rumors at this point.
six-gun
11-20-2007, 03:52 AM
Maybe because it's all just rumors at this point.
this has disaster written all over it I don;t care who writes it, I want to put as much negativity out there so maybe there's some slim slight chance that DC ill rethink it if it's in the plans. (yes, I realize it's a pipe dream but I'm just stating my feelings on the subject)
luthor
11-20-2007, 03:58 AM
In fiction most stories can be untold, so I'm hoping this will actually happen. A year or two of Jason as Batman would be cool with me. It can further solidify him as an asshole that everyone dislikes(except for me) and make everyone realize how much they love Bruce.
esophagus
11-20-2007, 04:00 AM
In fiction most stories can be untold, so I'm hoping this will actually happen. A year or two of Jason as Batman would be cool with me. It can further solidify him as an asshole that everyone dislikes(except for me) and make everyone realize how much they love Bruce.What are you talking about? People don't realize Jason Todd is a douche yet? I thought he was wearing a nametag by now.
conorkilpatrick
11-20-2007, 04:02 AM
What are you talking about? People don't realize Jason Todd is a douche yet? I thought he was wearing a nametag by now.
Not judging by the Jason Todd: Yay or Nay thread. Some people think he's an anti-hero.
luthor
11-20-2007, 04:02 AM
What are you talking about? People don't realize Jason Todd is a douche yet? I thought he was wearing a nametag by now.
Donna and Monitor Bob(Jim) come straight to mind.
conorkilpatrick
11-20-2007, 04:04 AM
Donna and Monitor Bob(Jim) come straight to mind.
They don't know what Jason has done.
luthor
11-20-2007, 04:07 AM
They don't know what Jason has done.
Aren't the Monitors supposed to see and know everything about what's going on in their respective Universes and wasn't Donna some kind of demi-god whose whole responsibility was to know crap that was going on in reality?
conorkilpatrick
11-20-2007, 04:49 AM
Aren't the Monitors supposed to see and know everything about what's going on in their respective Universes and wasn't Donna some kind of demi-god whose whole responsibility was to know crap that was going on in reality?
Who knows with the Monitors, their reality is constantly shifting.
As for Donna - she doesn't know all the secrets of the world, no.
projektidiot
11-20-2007, 07:23 AM
I'll go anywhere the comics take me as long as the idea is well written.
That said, though, I think it would be stupid of DC to allow for the creation of a new Batman by having Bruce take the role of a New God as part of their big, line-wide event. I barely know who the New Gods are and thus don't really care about them. Are they very well known amongst the DCU or another random revivalist thing because if the latter is the case then the new spotlight they've been recieving seems silly.
kahunablair
11-20-2007, 07:47 AM
Is it weird that I was totally on board for them killing Bruce, but really hate the idea of him becoming a New God?
jason-h
11-20-2007, 09:46 AM
I'm glad that Batman is not being killed. No one would ever do the death of batman right. Blast me if you want but i also think that there aren't that many writers out there with the chops to do this particular story justice. Batman and Bruce Wayne have in comics and in the real world become icons. It's a difficult job to kill off the most dedicated, intelligent, and crafty hero to ever live. I mean how do you kill off the guy that has a plan for every contingency. Then what happens when he dies? You know he has a plan in place for that. What is it? What would Batman and Bruce Waynes worst case scenario or final solution plan be? It would be a terrible injustice to skip these things and deprive the reader of how Batman deals with what all people eventually have to deal with. I also get that the world needs a Batman but short of a replicant no one seems up to the task. I would hope that they had a team to take his place. Not an individual but individuals. I am not saying that it can't be done, i just think that it's a tall order for DC to fill.
Monitor Bob(Jim)
nice.
As for Jason Todd - who could be a better Batman? ;)
comhcinc
11-20-2007, 03:12 PM
I mean how do you kill off the guy that has a plan for every contingency?
umm shoot him, drown him, throw him off a cliff........batman is just a guy, sure a guy with ninja powers, but ninjas die all the time. i killed three this morning on my way to check the mail. my point is batman isn't immortal (yet) he's not even bullet proof.
my real hope is they chunk the "new gods" thing and make him a vampire. marvel has zombies so dc can have vampires
mikegraham6
11-20-2007, 03:43 PM
This just made me throw up.
Is anyone else as horrified as me, I mean the "it will get us good stories" excuse is a cop out in my mind, yeah Brubaker's tearing up the universe in Cap, but there's only one writer at DC I'd trust with this and he's not Grant Morrison, I don't think I'd continue reading Bat-books if Bruce Wayne died because he's my favorite character.
like it or not Six, Grant Morrison is a big frickin' deal, and a helluva lot of people trust him with stories, sure not everyone on this board will agree with me, but i think they are in the minority. When it comes to Morrison, i can count on one finger the amount of stories he's written that i've disliked (The Filth) and besides that i've loved the rest (ok, the finale to Seven soldier was just a little ass). So i think that's why a lot of fanboys are okay with this.
as for me, im not so keen on the new gods thing (just cause i'm not a fan of the new gods characters), but like kahuna, i think the death idea works. Unlike everyone else though, im stoked to see a Jason Todd Batman, i think there's loads of story potential there. Grant's run on Batman is keeping me very very happy, so i trust him to continue to tell good bats stories in the future
conorkilpatrick
11-20-2007, 04:01 PM
Are they very well known amongst the DCU or another random revivalist thing because if the latter is the case then the new spotlight they've been recieving seems silly.
They are very well known. They were created in 1971 by Jack Kirby and have been a major part of the DCU mythology ever since I can remember.
esophagus
11-20-2007, 07:33 PM
Is it weird that I was totally on board for them killing Bruce, but really hate the idea of him becoming a New God?Nope. I'm the same way, to an extent. I wasn't so happy about killing Bruce, but I saw a lot of ways around it, and the fact that he was dying meant it was final. It was not a ploy, it was a story. Now it seems really sketchy, and doesn't have the potential to last. We'll have to wait and see though.
conorkilpatrick
11-20-2007, 07:38 PM
It's important to note that even if they "kill" Bruce Wayne, he's not ever going to "stay dead".
If the rumors are indeed true it could be really interesting. Let Morrison tell his "Bruce as New God" story and then when that's over he will most likely come back as Batman.
If you put .... hey, funny banner up top of the iFanboys peeking over the comics. Very professional ad. Cool .... where was -- oh!
If you put the New Gods makeover into the context of a Death of Superman storyline, I'm fine with it. A story of finite length which returns things to more or less the status quo -- like TV does. But even given that it's not a good idea to make it affect your whole universe.
But I guess they're searching for their Civil War. But CW didn't change/replace all the characters, just their status in their society.
esophagus
11-20-2007, 07:42 PM
It's important to note that even if they "kill" Bruce Wayne, he's not ever going to "stay dead".I know. But, with the Cap storyline Marvel is doing it seemed like a possibility that they might want this to be lasting. The fact that they've backed out of that already doesn't say much. But yeah, it's Batman, so I'm up for seeing where this all goes.
conorkilpatrick
11-20-2007, 07:45 PM
I know. But, with the Cap storyline Marvel is doing it seemed like a possibility that they might want this to be lasting. The fact that they've backed out of that already doesn't say much. But yeah, it's Batman, so I'm up for seeing where this all goes.
It's also important to note that Captain America is not Batman. Ask the average person on the street to name their respective secret identities.
esophagus
11-20-2007, 07:46 PM
As for Jason Todd - who could be a better Batman? ;)These (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DC_Comics_characters) people.
If you take Jason Todd out of the list.
esophagus
11-20-2007, 07:48 PM
It's also important to note that Captain America is not Batman. Ask the average person on the street to name their respective secret identities.I know. Which is why, as I've been stating, I never really thought that Bruce would stay did. I'm just saying that this just shreds that bit of hope that he would.
But, whether he stays dead or not, it's going to take some seriously great writing for this to turn out well. Writing of quality that I'm not sure Morrison, or anyone, can bring.
This is slated for Final Crisis though. So let's talk in a few months.
esophagus
11-20-2007, 07:51 PM
I object to 2D man.While not as qualified as, say, Rainbow Raider, I think he has Todd beat.
conorkilpatrick
11-20-2007, 07:52 PM
This is slated for Final Crisis though. So let's talk in a few months.
Yeah, I've been tyring to avoid commenting until there is actually something to comment about besides rumors.
kahunablair
11-20-2007, 07:55 PM
I've thought about it and I think I know why I don't like the idea of it.
I hate the New Gods. Don't ask me why, I just have an aversion to them that is irrational. Everytime they pop up in, say Countdown, I actually cringe a little.
They do nothing for me.
I grew up a Marvel Zombie, so forgive my lack of knowledge about these Kirby creations.
Yeah, I've been tyring to avoid commenting until there is actually something to comment about besides rumors.
Where's the fun in that?
conorkilpatrick
11-20-2007, 08:02 PM
Where's the fun in that?
Well, it's not like there's a dearth of things actually happening to complain about. ;)
luthor
11-21-2007, 05:35 PM
This (http://www.joshshill.com/2007/11/21/the-ascension-of-a-batman/) is on the front page of Digg right now.
I didn't even catch that.
kahunablair
11-21-2007, 05:47 PM
This (http://www.joshshill.com/2007/11/21/the-ascension-of-a-batman/) is on the front page of Digg right now.
And it's been destoryed by the Digg Effect...
the main point is that the Batman in the Legends Live Forever teaser is clearly Jason Todd by way of body language.
luthor
11-21-2007, 05:57 PM
Since this has now gotten semi mainstream recognition(Digg being one of the most popular sites on the web), do you think DC might do an Armageddon 2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon_2001#Response_and_last-minute_changes) again?
kahunablair
11-21-2007, 06:01 PM
Since this has now gotten semi mainstream recognition(Digg being one of the most popular sites on the web), do you think DC might do an Armageddon 2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon_2001#Response_and_last-minute_changes) again?
Doubtful, I mean look at how they've never lived that down.
kahunablair
11-21-2007, 06:02 PM
the main point is that the Batman in the Legends Live Forever teaser is clearly Jason Todd by way of body language.
... Interesting take.
davegraham
11-21-2007, 06:16 PM
I've thought about it and I think I know why I don't like the idea of it.
I hate the New Gods. Don't ask me why, I just have an aversion to them that is irrational. Everytime they pop up in, say Countdown, I actually cringe a little.
They do nothing for me.
I grew up a Marvel Zombie, so forgive my lack of knowledge about these Kirby creations.
Where's the fun in that?
I grew up a Marvel Zombie and I think the New Gods are my favorite part of the DC Universe. However it should be known that my expierence with them comes primarily from the Superman and Justice League cartoons. I have been searching for cheap collections of the Jack Kirby stuff. Just as you seem to be unable to pin point why you dislike them, I can't figure out what draws me to them. I think it is the Kirby design.
esophagus
11-21-2007, 08:57 PM
... Interesting take. thought it was weird when I first saw it, he looks very full of himself. I just never put any thought into it. This makes sense. Jason Todd is full of himself. But. I. But. Just no. This can't happen.
bogotoko
11-22-2007, 01:37 PM
I propose a petition sent to DC asking for another vote on Jason Todd like what was done back in the 80's. Voters waned him gone then and they'll ask for his ousting today.
Vote Dick Grayson for the Batman.
mikegraham6
11-22-2007, 01:59 PM
i'd definitely vote to keep him alive, i just think he's been misused post one year later, but overall there's still a lot of story potential. that and the fact they really f*cked up the reason for his return
six-gun
11-22-2007, 02:58 PM
i'd definitely vote to keep him alive, i just think he's been misused post one year later, but overall there's still a lot of story potential. that and the fact they really f*cked up the reason for his return
I agree that he's been misused, however Chuck Dixon's Batman and the Outsiders is perfect for Bruce's character
luthor
11-22-2007, 04:28 PM
Newsarama has a story about the possible return of Spoiler(but Newsarama isn't working real well today). Anyone else thing Spoiler is gonna end up as Jason's Robin?
six-gun
11-22-2007, 04:57 PM
Newsarama has a story about the possible return of Spoiler(but Newsarama isn't working real well today). Anyone else thing Spoiler is gonna end up as Jason's Robin?
Who knows I'd be interested in seeing Tim's response
paper
11-22-2007, 06:09 PM
Can Jim Gordon be Batman? At least for 6 issues? I'd totally read that.
Can Alfred be Batman?
I'm not actually kidding.
mikegraham6
11-22-2007, 06:12 PM
Can Jim Gordon be Batman? At least for 6 issues? I'd totally read that.
Can Alfred be Batman?
I'm not actually kidding.
alfred has military training doesn't he?
alfred has military training doesn't he?
and yesterday's Detective showed us that he can throw an elbow in the nuts.
esophagus
11-22-2007, 07:04 PM
Newsarama has a story about the possible return of Spoiler(but Newsarama isn't working real well today). Anyone else thing Spoiler is gonna end up as Jason's Robin?Pleeeease. Please jesus let this happen. Minus the Jason as Batman part.
kahunablair
11-23-2007, 01:15 AM
and yesterday's Detective showed us that he can throw an elbow in the nuts.
I'd buy an entire series if it meant Bat-Alfred's only attack is getting caught and then hitting the guys in the nuts!
luthor
11-23-2007, 05:10 AM
Can Alfred be Batman?
http://pictures.greatestjournal.com/userimg/4758119/536521
http://pictures.greatestjournal.com/userimg/4758119/536521
bogotoko
11-23-2007, 01:03 PM
Newsarama has a story about the possible return of Spoiler(but Newsarama isn't working real well today). Anyone else thing Spoiler is gonna end up as Jason's Robin?
This wouldn't be surprising since "death" in comics is like a time-out in the corner. If Jason has been brought back, then why stop there. At least Spoiler was a favorite.
Although the Monitors may have a nervous breakdown :p
luthor
11-24-2007, 04:42 AM
http://pictures.greatestjournal.com/userimg/4758119/536521
http://pictures.greatestjournal.com/userimg/4758119/536521
Not sure if that link is working correctly. Fixed it anyway.
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/8104/536521mt2.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=536521mt2.jpg)
paper
11-24-2007, 05:26 AM
I know he's done it before as a stunt. But ever since I was a kid I thought it would be cool to have Alfred go on an actual adventure.
conorkilpatrick
11-27-2007, 04:29 AM
Okay, so everyone was getting so freaked out and worked up over these rumors and people kept saying, "Conor why aren't you freaking out and leading the torch wielding mobs to DC's offices?"
Rich Johnston's latest column:
Oh and Dead Batman/Todd Batman/God Bruce Wayne? So not happening. You can still expect a status-challenging new scenario, still expect Alex Ross covers and designs, still expect some intricately complex yet instantly entertaining Morrisonia, just, expect something else. Did Internet reaction affect this? Not one jot it seems. All decisions are taking place at a much higher level, and Warner Bros. have made their feelings known.
It doesn't pay to get angry until you have something to be angry about. ;)
I knew Warner Bros. would never allow Bruce Wayne to die.
paper
11-27-2007, 04:33 AM
Would Bruce Wayne be allowed to remain in an extended vegetative state, vis-a-vis a coma?
conorkilpatrick
11-27-2007, 04:35 AM
Would Bruce Wayne be allowed to remain in an extended vegetative state, vis-a-vis a coma?
Zombie Wayne?
esophagus
11-27-2007, 04:37 AM
Would Bruce Wayne be allowed to remain in an extended vegetative state, vis-a-vis a coma?I'm sure they'd much prefer him appearing alive in New Gods than in a coma.
kahunablair
11-27-2007, 04:37 AM
Zombie Wayne?
http://www.ryanottley.com/images/covers/41.jpg
paper
11-27-2007, 04:38 AM
Surely he's already been a zombie by now.
EDIT: And there you have it.
cammyknoxville
11-27-2007, 04:50 AM
That news is a huge relief, Conor!
Because if they ever did kill Bruce Wayne, my friends and I made a pact to boycott DC FOREVER!
Or until the next issue of Green Lantern came out.
mikegraham6
11-27-2007, 02:02 PM
Okay, so everyone was getting so freaked out and worked up over these rumors and people kept saying, "Conor why aren't you freaking out and leading the torch wielding mobs to DC's offices?"
Rich Johnston's latest column:
Oh and Dead Batman/Todd Batman/God Bruce Wayne? So not happening. You can still expect a status-challenging new scenario, still expect Alex Ross covers and designs, still expect some intricately complex yet instantly entertaining Morrisonia, just, expect something else. Did Internet reaction affect this? Not one jot it seems. All decisions are taking place at a much higher level, and Warner Bros. have made their feelings known.
It doesn't pay to get angry until you have something to be angry about. ;)
I knew Warner Bros. would never allow Bruce Wayne to die.
It's all a ruse to throw off the internet critics. Summer 2008 = death of batman;)
bogotoko
12-01-2007, 02:02 AM
DC won't let Bruce die because the fans don't want it. And I don't mean, "I don't want to eat my peas" don't want it. It's just hype to get people talking, and buying more.
How about instead of killing of icons, editors start having their writers come up with some storylines that attract / keep the buyers. Marvel and DC didn't have to kill anyone in the past and they didn't have trouble getting people to buy their stuff. All of a sudden death is like divorce... everyone does it... and then they come back within a few years... blah!
luthor
12-01-2007, 02:36 AM
Next week's Countdown features Batman Beyond...
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Countdown/Marts/22/t_CTDWN21-10.jpg
I'm still sticking to my original prediction...
Dan Didio made numerous references to something akin to Batman Beyond as being part of the multiverse last year during con season. I could see Bruce apparently being killed in some kind of explosion, while some new, mysterious and futuristic Batman comes forward to protect Gotham. Only to have Bruce return from Earth 37 wearing his brand new Bat-suit(which would spawn all kinds of fan furor and, duh, sales) about a year later...
bogotoko
12-01-2007, 12:25 PM
Maybe a blend of your speculation. What if Bruce appears to blown up, but he is saved by a boom-tube or somehow warped into another multiverse, and Terry steps in because he believes Bruce is dead. However, sometime later, Bruce returns either by his own making or by some hero "mistakenly" finding him... sorta like finding the Atom :)
superfriend82
12-01-2007, 07:11 PM
I don't know if this really going to happen,but i heared that when or it bruce die he is to retrun as a.........NEW GOD!?
conorkilpatrick
12-01-2007, 07:15 PM
I don't know if this really going to happen,but i heared that when or it bruce die he is to retrun as a.........NEW GOD!?
Read through this thread.
superfriend82
12-01-2007, 07:16 PM
Oh yes sorry.
conorkilpatrick
04-17-2008, 07:37 PM
Interesting interview with Grant Morrison on CBR (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16024) about the upcoming Batman RIP storyline. Don't read it if you want to remain unspoiled.
Also, Morrison says he's got Batman plotted through the end of 2009.
labor_days
04-17-2008, 07:41 PM
Wish I could have Grant Morrison's babies.
edit: Also, told you so, Becca.
niceguyeddie
04-18-2008, 10:38 PM
ehhh, i don't know about this.
grant can be hit or miss. granted he seems to be on a good streak with his all star superman but i don't know.
i want a good story. if he can pull it off then i guess i'll be happy.
doc-samson
04-22-2008, 05:57 AM
So are Dini's Detective and Morrison's Batman completely unlinked then? Continuity fans will be up in arms!
conorkilpatrick
04-22-2008, 06:11 AM
So are Dini's Detective and Morrison's Batman completely unlinked then? Continuity fans will be up in arms!
They've been almost completely unlinked the entire time.
doc-samson
04-22-2008, 06:17 AM
They've been almost completely unlinked the entire time.
I know, I meant that with Morrison doing something supposedly so huge, it seems a little odd that the other Bat title won't have to follow suit to a point. It'd be almost like Morrison's telling an Elseworlds story for his run (which it kinda seems like he is anyway).