'New Avengers: Illuminati #5' [Archive]

valoharth

11-07-2007, 05:00 PM

Like Captain America #25, this one is going to need its own thread.

From this point on there will be spoilers, so

don't

read

any

further

if you don't want to know the identity or identities of the Skrull sleeper agents!

Must not read must not read..... ug its going to be a long 28 hours before I will be able to read this book! Im driving 3 hours just so I can get it!

davegraham

11-07-2007, 05:38 PM

Dang it. I just saw a spoiler on accident. I am going to have to avoid the internet on days like this. I suppose at the very least, avoid comic book sites.

ghostevo

11-07-2007, 05:49 PM

Ah poop. No will power.

fred

11-07-2007, 07:41 PM

this issue was AWESOME

seriously, I've been shitting on Marvel for months because of how dumb most of the things going on were.

This was AWESOME. Marvel may become fun again.

cam-

11-07-2007, 07:47 PM

WOW, indeed an awesome, awesome read.

Coupled with both X-men books, this is one of the best Marvel weeks in ages.

Sweet.

mikegraham6

11-07-2007, 09:33 PM

a good issue, take that Illuminati haters!

this crossover is going to be epic

I still think Namor is a skrull and only he killed black bolt to keep his cover

clayton

11-07-2007, 09:44 PM

I am still quite perplexed. Does this mean that those two that showed up are in fact sleepers of those specific characters or are they just suggesting that they could be anyone?

Yikes!!!

C.

cam-

11-07-2007, 09:44 PM

Well at least it explains the Hulk taking Blackagar Boltagon down in WWH. (cause I think Blackagar would've put up more of a fight)

Heh...Blackagar.

cam-

11-07-2007, 09:47 PM

I am still quite perplexed. Does this mean that those two that showed up are in fact sleepers of those specific characters or are they just suggesting that they could be anyone?

Yikes!!!

C.

Hmmm, it is a question isn't it? New book for one...limited to astonishing action for the other.

jimski

11-07-2007, 10:11 PM

I am still quite perplexed. Does this mean that those two that showed up are in fact sleepers of those specific characters or are they just suggesting that they could be anyone?

I was just about to pose the same question. Two recently resurrected characters with Skrull analogues? Captain Magichammer just got his own series back, so that one's unlikely... but you never know!

The more I wonder who might be a Skrull, the more I hope the correct answer is "no one." I can't think of a character I follow who I'd like to find out has been betraying me up till now. :)

cam-

11-07-2007, 10:19 PM

Captain Magichammer

Hah! I love the way we're dancing around spoilers. I don't think we have to worry about it in this thread.

clayton

11-07-2007, 11:16 PM

After re-reading the issue, I now see that the other one has a tail and has optic-blast powers to go with the armour. Triple X?

jo11ypenguin

11-08-2007, 04:26 AM

I thought that one had Colossus (spelling?) arms...

humphrey-lee

11-08-2007, 10:33 AM

It was kinda cool. I dug it. Still don't care about the "event" though, but if it's relegated to just the proposed mini I'll read it, maybe even buy it.

davegraham

11-08-2007, 02:14 PM

The Skrulls are using the same tech that created Super Skrull to create X-Men, Avengers, and Illuminati themed soldiers. I don't think that neccesarily means they're active sleeper agents. Then again I don't have anything to back up my comment with. I guess we will find out. If Kitty gets stood up on St. Valentine's Day or if homeless squatters start taking up residence in an abandoned Asgardn then I guess we'll have our answer.

Bendis and/or Reed write the best Namor and I insist either or both of them be put on a Submariner series.

So how long do people think Black Bolt's been a Skrull? As far back as the Jenkin's series or more recently? I guess I have to go back and reread the whole Illuminati series for clues.

six-gun

11-08-2007, 02:15 PM

The reveal was epic, the dialogue really lead e to believe that it was Namor, Black Bolt, who'd a thunkit

jimski

11-08-2007, 03:20 PM

So how long do people think Black Bolt's been a Skrull? As far back as the Jenkin's series or more recently? Illuminati #1? After Silent War? I have a feeling you might not get a lot of answers on this sort of question; the ambiguity gives writers a lot more flexibility.

davegraham

11-08-2007, 03:41 PM

Illuminati #1? After Silent War? I have a feeling you might not get a lot of answers on this sort of question; the ambiguity gives writers a lot more flexibility.

I am not expecting or even wanting it any time soon, but I hope by the end of this Secret Invasion thing some Skrull delivers a gloating monologue detailing how, where, and when they started effing things up. Even if it rectons some Marvel history. The Illuminati series has impressed me so much that I trust Bendis to recton entertainingly.

diabhol

11-08-2007, 03:46 PM

So how long do people think Black Bolt's been a Skrull? As far back as the Jenkin's series or more recently? I guess I have to go back and reread the whole Illuminati series for clues.

Honestly? I'm going to guess not very long.;after Civil War and the "Silent War" mini-series (did anyone aside from me read that? It kicked ass), but before World War Hulk.

davegraham

11-08-2007, 03:54 PM

...after Civil War and the "Silent War" mini-series (did anyone aside from me read that? It kicked ass)...

I keep checking my library for Silent War, but, after this issue of Illuminati, I might end up lounging at a Boarders Books for an hour or so.

diabhol

11-08-2007, 04:17 PM

I keep checking my library for Silent War, but, after this issue of Illuminati, I might end up lounging at a Boarders Books for an hour or so.

That's probably the best way to go. Inhumans are little too off the beaten path for a library, I'd think.

euchre0

11-08-2007, 04:41 PM

Honestly? I'm going to guess not very long.;after Civil War and the "Silent War" mini-series (did anyone aside from me read that? It kicked ass), but before World War Hulk.

So when does World War Hulk take place? Are there any ramifications other than what happens to the Hulk in his own series? World War Hulk hasn't been awful, but just seems...dumb.

davegraham

11-08-2007, 05:15 PM

So when does World War Hulk take place? Are there any ramifications other than what happens to the Hulk in his own series? World War Hulk hasn't been awful, but just seems...dumb.

My guess. The Mighty Avengers come together and fight Ultron. World War Hulk happens. The New Avengers travel to Japan and find Elektra Skrull. The New Avengers return to the US, crash their jet, Spider-Woman steals the corpse and takes it to Tony. The fifth issue of Illuminati happens. Symbiotes attack. One More Day happens (through all of New Avengers and WWH Spidey is in his black costume).

It doesn't look like there is any Hulk fallout outside of the Hulk comics, but keep buying those Marvel comics, true believer, you might be surprised at what happens next.

jimski

11-08-2007, 06:32 PM

No matter what answer they give, I think they're gonna get a lot of people saying, "He can't have been replaced in issue 12; I saw him use his powers in Heroes for Hire #85! Continuity error!" or whatever. This hobby is full of people waiting to catch 'em in a mistake; it's a nerd minefield. If it were me, I'd just clam up and let people guess for themselves in perpetuity.

davegraham

11-08-2007, 06:56 PM

I get the impression that Bendis is nerdy enough to make a decent attempt at getting this thing to gell with continuity and be able to explain how. There will always be mistakes. That goes along with shared universes. However we're talking about the guy who made some sense out of Secret Wars 2.

iSteve

11-08-2007, 06:59 PM

BRIAN BENDIS ON NEW AVENGERS ILLUMINATI #5 (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=135673)

The first player in the Secret Invasion has been revealed.

In this week’s New Avengers: Illuminati #5 Brian Bendis, Brian Reed, and Jimmy Cheung showed just who among the elite group of leaders in the Marvel Universe is (or, has been) a shape-shifting Skrull.

It was a revelation that, well, was shocking when the admission of identity was spoken aloud. What does this mean for the Illuminati? Where do things go from here? We spoke with Bendis about the issue......

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Illuminati/05/NewAvengersIlluminati5Cover.jpg

iSteve

11-08-2007, 07:11 PM

So... are Thor and Colossus Skrulls?

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l309/louis665/NEWAVNILU005_int-31.jpg

davegraham

11-08-2007, 07:19 PM

So... are Thor and Colossus Skrulls?

I think it is more like the Skrulls have the tech to replicate other superhero powers. Blackbolt Skrull had elements of all the Illuminati in his costume, not just Black Bolt.

iSteve

11-08-2007, 08:07 PM

I think it is more like the Skrulls have the tech to replicate other superhero powers. Blackbolt Skrull had elements of all the Illuminati in his costume, not just Black Bolt.

That's what I'm thinking too.

davegraham

11-08-2007, 08:18 PM

I wonder if that implies they were actively infiltrating those groups. It might not be Colossus (the Skrull also had Nightcrawler's tail) and Thor who disappear. It could be random X-Kid and long-forgotten-Avenger who were Skrulls.

kahunablair

11-08-2007, 08:23 PM

I haven't read the book yet, so forgive me if I'm off base here. It sounds to me like you guys are just describing a bunch of Super Skrulls with one being an Avengers model and the other a X-Men model.

esophagus

11-08-2007, 08:25 PM

I hope both teams are entirely made up of Skrulls. Ha. What a twist.

kahunablair

11-08-2007, 08:30 PM

I hope both teams are entirely made up of Skrulls. Ha. What a twist.

And none of the Skrulls are told who the other Skrulls are.
That way they all think they're double crossing the good guys, when it's really just themselves.

esophagus

11-08-2007, 08:33 PM

And none of the Skrulls are told who the other Skrulls are.
That way they all think they're double crossing the good guys, when it's really just themselves.We see this big skrull war in issue one of the big skrull event (why is the name escaping me?) and after about half an hour they realize every hero they've killed was a Skrull. The rest of the series is just them trying to figure out what to do next.

kahunablair

11-08-2007, 08:39 PM

We see this big skrull war in issue one of the big skrull event (why is the name escaping me?) and after about half an hour they realize every hero they've killed was a Skrull. The rest of the series is just them trying to figure out what to do next.

I imagined them all sitting around and Professor X stands up, "Gentleman, I have some disturbing news! It's time for you all to die! For I am Klat-ta of the Skrulls!"

"Klat-ta?? It's me Blat-tu! I haven't seen you in years! We'll have to catch up after we kill the others!"
"Wait a second... Klat-ta and Blat-tu are Professor X and Namor, and I, Brag-go am Stark. I know that Strange is really Pup-tu, because I walked in on him in the bathroom last month! So we've all been spying on each other? Damn it! Let's just kill Black Bolt and we'll clean it up later!"
....

"Uh guys? I'm Chug-tu... I think we've got a problem."

thescarletspider

11-08-2007, 08:47 PM

My guess is that black bolt has been a skrull for awhile now. He has been acting like an up front ***** as of late. He couldnt take down the hulk, he really didnt get too upset about the fact that his brother was giving it to his wife behind his back in silent war and he reacted to war pretty damn quickly in son of m. Im guessing hes been a skrull for a long time, and im also guessing that Ben reilley has been kidnapped by skrulls and the scarlet spider comes back in secret invasion.

labor_days

11-08-2007, 09:02 PM

Professor X can walk again?

kwok_talk

11-08-2007, 09:04 PM

Professor X can walk again?

I think so post-HOM?

kahunablair

11-08-2007, 09:07 PM

I think so post-HOM?

I thought it was after his time in the M'kran crystal in Brubaker's space run.

Edit: Nope, I was wrong. He got his legs back after HOM. He got his POWERS back after the M'kran thing.
I humbly apologize, Mr. Kwok!

davegraham

11-08-2007, 09:08 PM

... im also guessing that Ben reilley has been kidnapped by skrulls and the scarlet spider comes back in secret invasion.

Scarlet Spider has already come back. In fact they are three of him in The Initiative. And of course they're all Skrulls. The weird thing is they are still clones. They are three clones of the Skrull that is impersonating Spider-man.

davegraham

11-08-2007, 09:13 PM

Professor X can walk again?

Check out the "Fury Files" that appear at the end of most Marvel comics for this past week. Apparently, Professor X has been crippled and healed four different times. That is some crazy luck.

kwok_talk

11-08-2007, 09:28 PM

I thought it was after his time in the M'kran crystal in Brubaker's space run.

Edit: Nope, I was wrong. He got his legs back after HOM. He got his POWERS back after the M'kran thing.
I humbly apologize, Mr. Kwok!

No prob, I wasn't certain either.

esophagus

11-08-2007, 10:18 PM

Proffesor X can walk? Okay, I'm not buying this.

conorkilpatrick

11-08-2007, 10:47 PM

Proffesor X can walk? Okay, I'm not buying this.

He's been walking for over a year.

mikegraham6

11-09-2007, 12:04 AM

Well at least it explains the Hulk taking Blackagar Boltagon down in WWH. (cause I think Blackagar would've put up more of a fight)

Heh...Blackagar.

i laughed out loud when i read his name.... cringe

six-gun

11-09-2007, 12:10 AM

i laughed out loud when i read his name.... cringe

It's like a transformer's name

mikegraham6

11-09-2007, 12:16 AM

Anyone else think that Black Bolt was the safest choice Bendis could have made (not that i didn't like it or anything, but it would have blown my mind had it been any of the other illumnati)

paper

11-09-2007, 01:05 AM

Pretty safe. I was honestly disappointed. But this is only the beginning, so whatever.

six-gun

11-09-2007, 01:20 AM

Anyone else think that Black Bolt was the safest choice Bendis could have made (not that i didn't like it or anything, but it would have blown my mind had it been any of the other illumnati)

yes, but Black Bolt was unexpected

six-gun

11-09-2007, 01:21 AM

Pretty safe. I was honestly disappointed. But this is only the beginning, so whatever.

so negative ;)

paper

11-09-2007, 01:44 AM

Black Bolt was the easiest way to go. Not saying it was a bad move, but there's really no risk in using that character for that reveal. The next step up is Namor, then Strange. Obviously the big final 3 are out of the picture. Those characters are too big to be a part of this. I don't think they'd do such a disservice to all the writers who have worked on FF, Iron Man and X-Men since, whenever it was this switch happened.

six-gun

11-09-2007, 01:47 AM

jimski

11-09-2007, 02:12 AM

We see this big skrull war in issue one of the big skrull event (why is the name escaping me?) I'm pretty sure it's "The War on Terra."

Between nobody knowing Professor X has been walking for the last year and nobody previously encountering the name Blackagar Boltagon (?!) I'm starting to wonder who the **** all the people are I've been talking to about comic books every week.

Oh my God.

The Skrulls have infiltrated the board.

labor_days

11-09-2007, 02:27 AM

The only X books I read are Prof. X-less!

paper

11-09-2007, 02:39 AM

I'm a fair-weather Marvel fan.

Though...I did know about those things.

jo11ypenguin

11-09-2007, 04:23 AM

Ok, i see the tail and Wolverine boots on the X-men super skrull, but what else of the Avengers does the Thor one have?

luthor

11-09-2007, 04:46 AM

Ok, i see the tail and Wolverine boots on the X-men super skrull, but what else of the Avengers does the Thor one have?

Vision's Collar and I think the gloves are someones too.

EDIT: Hawkeye's gloves.

esophagus

11-09-2007, 06:19 AM

He's been walking for over a year.
That shows you how much Marvel I read. That's silly. Is this something that looks like it might actually last? If it will, I don't mind, but he better not be paralyzed again.

conorkilpatrick

11-09-2007, 06:27 AM

That shows you how much Marvel I read. That's silly. Is this something that looks like it might actually last? If it will, I don't mind, but he better not be paralyzed again.

As was mentioned earlier this is the fourth time he has been able to walk over the course of his ... existence? So I imagine he'll walk until he doesn't.

jo-relrollins

11-09-2007, 08:32 AM

I don't know if anyone recalls, but back when Marrow and Maggot were Xmen, a skrull infiltrated and took on Wolverines appearance and over the course of like 2 issues they went through "prove your you thing". I wonder if that will be brought up?. Also if its only sticking to the avenger family of books how will apply to the parts of the MU,like Xmen,Spider Man, Hulk, etc.

nicknack18

11-09-2007, 09:18 AM

I finally figured it out! The reason for the Huge delay on Spiderman. Aunt May is a Skrull and the real may has been dead since the first time they killed her, this may was a skrull and they wanted to wait till secret invasion was in full swing to reveal it.

diabhol

11-09-2007, 11:44 AM

My guess. The Mighty Avengers come together and fight Ultron. World War Hulk happens. The New Avengers travel to Japan and find Elektra Skrull. The New Avengers return to the US, crash their jet, Spider-Woman steals the corpse and takes it to Tony. The fifth issue of Illuminati happens. Symbiotes attack. One More Day happens (through all of New Avengers and WWH Spidey is in his black costume).

Actually, I think the order is:

1) New Avengers vs. Elektra/Skrull
2) Mighty Avengers vs. Ultron
3) New Avengers crash / Spider-Woman corpse robbery (they don't land in NYC because of the Ultron thing)
4) Symbiotes
5) World War Hulk
6) Illuminati
7) One More Day

But I could be wrong.

valoharth

11-09-2007, 02:53 PM

Okay, just a question, The Skrulls do they know magic? Did they learn it some how? I think the idea of it goes agains their beliefs (or so I picked up from Illiminati Issue 1) so, if true they couldn't replicate Strange's power. So I think its safe to say he isn't going to be a skrull.

Actually I've had this theory since Elektra (sp?) was found out to be Skrull that only one (possibly two) of the Illuminati were Skrull, manipulating them from the inside while the Skrull have planted their people into positions to influence the Hero's into the whole Civil War atrocity (such as senators, minor hero's and shield members). From their though I'm kind of in the air of whats going to happen next.

As for the Blackbolt being Skrull, yea shocking, but then again kind of saw it coming, not because he was giving any tells, but just the fact that he really was the most unknown of the 6 (I read the Inhumans trade Paul Jenkins did just to get a better knowledge of him). I mean granted he has huge power and is the leader of his own nation but, to me he felt a bit off for the Illuminati, they could have kept it at 5 or brought in another power house like Thor. I had my money on Reed being a Scrull or Strange for a bit there but the magic argument above kind of took Strange out of the running for me.

I haven't finished my stack yet, but I loved this issue (#4 is still my favorite though only because of the first few pages).

conorkilpatrick

11-09-2007, 03:32 PM

I mean granted he has huge power and is the leader of his own nation but, to me he felt a bit off for the Illuminati, they could have kept it at 5 or brought in another power house like Thor.

The Illuminati covered the major facets of the Marvel Universe:

Super Heroes - Iron Man
Mutants - Professor X
Magic - Dr. Strange
Atlantis - Namor
Inhumans - Black Bolt

I think Black Bolt's inclusion made perfect sense. The dude has been around, and been a major powerhouse, for a long time.

six-gun

11-09-2007, 03:43 PM

it's the perfect team from a story standpoint

mikegraham6

11-09-2007, 03:44 PM

Reed or Tony didn't fit as skrulls. Reed hasn't really acted out of character and if Tony was a skrull the entire Civil War thing would have been a sham and it would have pissed off fans to no end.
I really wanted Xavier to be a skrull. He's been a real douche lately and with the whole messiah complex thing it would have added a real twist.

wait a minute. I'm calling the end of Messiah, Prof. gets the baby only to reveal himself as a skrull and takes it back to the skrull home world where they wil use it as an ultimate weapon in the Secret Invasion storyline.
....... at least that's what they SHOULD do

again: i should be a writer.....;)

six-gun

11-09-2007, 03:46 PM

cam-

11-09-2007, 04:13 PM

I'm pretty sure it's "The War on Terra."

Between nobody knowing Professor X has been walking for the last year and nobody previously encountering the name Blackagar Boltagon (?!) I'm starting to wonder who the **** all the people are I've been talking to about comic books every week.

Oh my God.

The Skrulls have infiltrated the board.

Is it not "Secret Invasion"?

and I knew the prof was walking, but Blackagar was a surprise. Guess I haven't read enough classic FF.

Here's the problem I have with Black Bolt being the Skrull, How can a guy who can't TALK manipulate things?

Hmmm, I guess he could be relaying info to Skrull world.

Anyways, good times on the horizon.

davegraham

11-09-2007, 06:04 PM

Actually, I think the order is:

1) New Avengers vs. Elektra/Skrull
2) Mighty Avengers vs. Ultron
3) New Avengers crash / Spider-Woman corpse robbery (they don't land in NYC because of the Ultron thing)
4) Symbiotes
5) World War Hulk
6) Illuminati
7) One More Day

But I could be wrong.

Now that I think about it some more, you are right about Mighty and Ultron occuring after NA discovers the Elektra Skrull. I was thinking that Mighty was apart of the SHIELD pre-Japan ambush on NA and since fighting Ultron is supposed to be the first thing Mighty does I assumed that it had already happend. But Ultron is on television what NA returns from Japan so your order makes sense.

I was assuming that Spider-woman approached Tony while he was recovering from what Ultron has done to him in Mighty. However she could just as easily approached him while he was recovering from WWH.

Does any of it matter? No, not unless you want to nit pick, but sometimes its fun to try and make it all line.

jimski

11-09-2007, 07:10 PM

This is impressive. I'm convinced.

Next, could you guys work up a chart for me showing who knows whom on "Heroes"? Every week, two characters I would swear are already friends get introduced to one another.

six-gun

11-09-2007, 07:28 PM

I wonder who will figure out how to detect them

Tony, Reed or Hank?

iSteve

11-09-2007, 07:41 PM

I wonder who will figure out how to detect them

Tony, Reed or Hank?

It's gotta be Reed. He's the Skrulls arch-nemesis in terms of Earth.

racemccloud

11-09-2007, 07:47 PM

Does anyone think that Solo is a Skrull? I hope not. I'd feel really betrayed by that. Also, Sleepwalker. I swear I'd cry.

davegraham

11-09-2007, 07:50 PM

davegraham

11-09-2007, 07:53 PM

Does anyone think that Solo is a Skrull? I hope not. I'd feel really betrayed by that. Also, Sleepwalker. I swear I'd cry.

Are you mocking Sleepwalker? You heartless fiend.

luthor

11-09-2007, 08:01 PM

Does anyone think that Solo is a Skrull? I hope not. I'd feel really betrayed by that. Also, Sleepwalker. I swear I'd cry.

That would be bad ass...How about this...Most of those C-Z listers have all become Skrulls and are currently being trained by the A gamers.

*head a 'splodes (http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbzone.html)*

kahunablair

11-09-2007, 08:38 PM

It's gotta be Reed. He's the Skrulls arch-nemesis in terms of Earth.

Which is the main reason I think Reed's a Skrull. If you were planning on replacing heroes would you keep the one guy that always seems to stop you, out there? Nope. You'd attack his elastic butt first.

iSteve

11-09-2007, 09:07 PM

Which is the main reason I think Reed's a Skrull. If you were planning on replacing heroes would you keep the one guy that always seems to stop you, out there? Nope. You'd attack his elastic butt first.

That would mean that Sue has been having marital relations with a Skrull. Ickey ooo. But maybe Sue is too. They could have been kidnapped on their second honeymoon in space after Civil War.

conorkilpatrick

11-09-2007, 09:23 PM

Don't forget about:

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/newavengers/31/NA_Baby.jpg

DUN DUN DUN!

labor_days

11-09-2007, 09:25 PM

I like that the Skrull baby looks genuinely shocked.

doomlobster

11-09-2007, 09:32 PM

Maybe the baby is just frightened because it was born with special Skrull-detecting superpowers and has just realized that mommy dearest is in fact a Skrull. Or maybe that baby formula in the bottle, which Wong had stashed in Dr. Strange's lair, is centuries old and tastes awful.

Conclusion: Wong is a Skrull, which is why he was being snooty that one time.

labor_days

11-09-2007, 09:55 PM

Or the Skrull baby could be freaked out knowing that the milk within the bottle came from a Skrull cow (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/skrlkk.htm).

kahunablair

11-09-2007, 10:34 PM

Is it weird that I REALLY want the Skrull leader to be the baby?

I want the heroes to think the battle is over, they all start to congratulate each other in the rubble of the buildings destroyed during the battle with the Super Skrulls. All of a sudden the baby uses Cyclop's optic blasts and shoots Luke Cage.
He'd hop down out of Luke's arms and scream, "You thought it was over? It's only just begun, my costumed friends!"

Then we're treated to a two issue epic battle in which the entire Marvel U does battle with a SuperSkrull baby.

labor_days

11-09-2007, 10:40 PM

kahunablair

11-09-2007, 10:43 PM

Marvel, get this man a job!

Same thing I said! Would you believe they kicked me out when I tried to pitch that storyline?

Honestly, I actually think it had something to do with the way I chose to pitch it though. I taped myself dressed up as Iron Man and Spiderman fighting a ten month old baby. Sadly I couldn't get the baby to use any powers! All he did was cry and cry.

Damn baby.....

labor_days

11-10-2007, 12:22 AM

Same thing I said! Would you believe they kicked me out when I tried to pitch that storyline?

Honestly, I actually think it had something to do with the way I chose to pitch it though. I taped myself dressed up as Iron Man and Spiderman fighting a ten month old baby. Sadly I couldn't get the baby to use any powers! All he did was cry and cry.

Damn baby.....

Clearly, Marvel lacks vision.

six-gun

11-10-2007, 12:52 AM

Skrull cow? Grant Morrison is one crazy son of a gun

davegraham

11-10-2007, 02:55 AM

Skrull cow? Grant Morrison is one crazy son of a gun

Actually, I am pretty sure it was Stan Lee that created the Skrull cows, but John Byrne and Grant Morrison revisited the idea. I could be wrong, though.

valoharth

11-10-2007, 03:00 AM

I wonder who will figure out how to detect them

Tony, Reed or Hank?

I doubt that they will do this, but what about the Supper Skrull from the Runaways? It might be that s/he might know who are Skrulls and might possibly know how to find them. I don't remember how many big characters know that s/he's on the team but one of them might know that s/he's friendly ish to the race.

Unless its a ploy and Karolina is really a skrull! or maybe even the Gurt who died was a Skrull and her Raptor! That means they could still be alive! okay maybe... not likely...

Oh and then theirs the whole Layla Miller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layla_Miller), she knows stuff. It was Bendis who created her wasn't it?

kahunablair

11-10-2007, 03:04 AM

Clearly, Marvel lacks vision.
You are correct, sir.

Actually, I am pretty sure it was Stan Lee that created the Skrull cows, but John Byrne and Grant Morrison revisited the idea. I could be wrong, though.
You are also correct.
Their first appearance was in Fantastic Four #2.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3a/FantasticFour2.jpg/260px-FantasticFour2.jpg

After the Skrulls were beat, the FF were afraid that no real cell could hold them.
So Reed hypnotized the Skrulls and make them believe they were cows.