Emigration

[ariastar]

Have you ever emigrated from one country to another? If so, from where to where? Was it easy? Difficult? Biggest challenges? Unexpected events?

[tokenuser]

Emigration? What a PITA!

Getting permanent resident status (Greencard) in the US is expensive and convoluted. Despite the fact I am now "in the queue" all that means is that if my Visa now lapses, I can slip into an "advanced parole" status that means I am not here on a Visa, but kinda sorta am. Oh yeah - this processing queue? they are currently servicing submission from 2003, so I don't get a greencard until some time in 2010.

Did I mention medical tests? Why the fsck do you need need to test me for a hernia?? Because I might be spreading infectious hernias across the US? Oh ... and another thing. I am STD free, and don't have TB. Thanks for that - if I had TB, it would only have been caught here.

I can't complain too much - apparently getting into Australia is even worse/harder.

Where do you want to go? Anywhere but here??

[ariastar]

Canada. Specifically Vancouver.

One person I know trying to get US citizenship from Russia (not Nick, someone else) has been in the process for 15 whole years, and an error was just discovered regarding a grant he received in about 1994, so his app has been withdrawn for the time being and he's having to get an attorney to take care of it.

But I'll take residency in Canada too.

[scienceking]

The easiest way to get US citizenship/residency is to get a good education in a field that the US has a [perceived] shortage in. Then some US company or immigration itself will get you through before you can blink.

[ariastar]

The easiest way to get US citizenship/residency is to get a good education in a field that the US has a [perceived] shortage in. Then some US company or immigration itself will get you through before you can blink.

I will kill myself before staying here another four years to get a full degree. I swear it.

BTW, I'm not going TO the U.S.. I'm talking about leaving it.

And no, the U.S. will not get you through that quickly. I know someone who's been working on it for 15 years, and many past the 5yr mark.

[dohare]

What makes you hate the US so much?

[ariastar]

What makes you hate the US so much?

You must watch no news. In addition to being sickened by what's going on with the government and not wanting to support it by giving them my tax dollars and just being another number for the club, I am just sick of things overall, and sick and fvcking tired or memories everywhere. I can't go anywhere without there being something to remind me of something I want to forget. Hell, I go to the grocery store by my apartment and remember the chance meeting Nick and I had there a few weeks ago at 11 at night. I say "chance" because he loves 12 miles away. Why here? My mom's town, everywhere, reminds me of my dad. Any beach reminds me of a night Nick and I spent at Muir in March. The town of Pacifica reminds me of the little girl I loved as my own daughter, and still love, but lost years ago, a little girl who told me all she wanted for Christmas was for me to give her a baby brother. I'm haunted by memories and need to get away. Call it running away if you will, I don't care.

And the people! The rudeness and hate... I know it's everywhere, but I hear it's better there, the people nicer. And it's beautiful. Despite being as large as it is, in many ways, Vancouver is still small.

Yes, Nick has something to do with the strong must-do-now thing. For years I've wanted to move to Canada, but never as strongly as this. I've mentioned it for years. "I just want to move to Canada." Ironically, despite being born in Ukraine, Nick lived in Canada for about ten years before coming here.

If I believed in god, then I could "explain" this feeling I have of someone talking to me and telling me that walking away from Nick is the wrong thing to do, despite this strong desire to run away. My wishful thinking is that I just wouldn't care about him anymore. So it's not wishful thinking that things work out, and that being what's saying to walk away. No, this feeling I get goes against what I want instead of confirming it.

This is the first time I've ever truly loved a man for the right reasons, and the only relationship I've ever been in where I wasn't at least someone financially co-dependent on the man. There's nothing that makes me "need" him. There's just just feeling in my heart, and a deeper feeling that I want to say is in my soul, but that sounds too chintzy. But it says that things are on the wrong path. Even when my dad died I didn't feel so incredibly like something was wrong. So I've never felt anything to be wronger in my life than the road this has taken.

I either get away or go insane. It's just reached the point of too much. If I had a passport and whatever else I need to get a job there, I'd put my dog and cats in the car, my computer, a few personal items, and leave right now, just leave everything else behind, and disappear. I'm not exaggerating in the slightest.

[tokenuser]

Nick has Canadian citizenship right? Marriage is an easy option for emigration ;)


Vancouver is a beautiful city - most cities built around water are ... San Francisco, San Siego, Sydney, Venice ...

And for those that say immigration to the US is easy ... how wrong you are.
I have been here for just over 10 years. I have a degree. I have extensive experience. My wife has a BCompSc, 2x MS, and a Phd and is a Prof at a state university. We are both Australian which makes us "friendly" and in the "low immigration pool" category (ie, not that many of us working/living over here). And we still have problems getting through the system.

I swear, some days, I wish I was here illegally, so I could take advantage of one of those amnesty programmes Bush keeps pushing. I would be straight through that process in a snap.

[masherscf]

I emigrated from Vermont to New York, does that count?

[cyber34]

From USSR/Ukraine to Canada.

[kickarse]

I emigrated from a womb of fluid to a world of air...

[crumbles]

I will kill myself before staying here another four years to get a full degree. I swear it.Thank God... Go go go!

[mic]

I emigrated from a womb of fluid to a world of air...Now that's funny. :D

Aria, I hope you read what I wrote in the other thread. Maybe you did, maybe you didn't, but I'm starting to really worry about you. Seriously.

[patch]

Thank God... Go go go!

First off, I dunno if that was a joke or not, but it seemed like it was meant to be mean to me... So STFU.

Secondly.

I will kill myself before staying here another four years to get a full degree. I swear it.

STFU to you too Aria. If you do that, who's gonna use magenta colored text on the forums? masherscf? Yeah, I don't want that.... I don't think anyone does.

The fact that you even have the opportunity to get a degree is something you need to take advantage of. Many people (My self included.) will never have that opportunity.

Don't kill your self. I'd be really sad if you did. :(

[crumbles]

First off, I dunno if that was a joke or not, but it seemed like it was meant to be mean to me... So STFU.
No joke. As far as the "STFU," no thanks, I'm good.

Anyone, like her, who is for communism is more than welcome to fucking leave this country. I'd rather her be living in another country than have her voting for my son to grow up in a communist society.

[phatlip12]

No joke. As far as the "STFU," no thanks, I'm good.

Anyone, like her, who is for communism is more than welcome to fucking leave this country. I'd rather her be living in another country than have her voting for my son to grow up in a communist society.

Heh...thats kind of funny considering this is America and she has the right to vote for whoever she wants to. I'm not saying I agree with her, but she has every right to believe in what she wants, vote for who she wants and live in this country...just like you and I.

[crumbles]

Heh...thats kind of funny considering this is America and she has the right to vote for whoever she wants to. I'm not saying I agree with her, but she has every right to believe in what she wants, vote for who she wants and live in this country...just like you and I.Weird, I don't recall saying that she couldn't do that. I recall saying she is more than welcome to leave since I don't agree with her, thus, one less commie living in the States.

*edit*
...and yes, it is kind of funny that she is voting for taking away individual liberties, yet here you are defending that exact right she wants to have removed. I'm so tired of people saying they want the government to think for them. It always manages to come from people who aren't very well educated. Shit, she didn't even spell immigration correctly yet she thinks she knows what's best for everyone.

[patch]

crumbles, you can not like Aria. You can strongly disagree with her stances on thing. But dude, just leave her alone. She's going through really hard times and you're not helping one bit.

Just leave the thread be. Don't even pop in to read whats going on. You're being an ass and only causing more distress to her most likely.


On top of that, you're breaking forum rules.

2. Creating comments about a person or group of people that is racist, threatening, insulting, abusive, etc is not allowed.

3. Be kind to other members by showing respect to their opinions and feelings. Making false claims about a person or company is prohibited. The use of the Revision3 forums is a privilege, not a right. Having a negative attitude, being a snob, and flaming will not be tolerated anywhere.

Just back off okay?

[tokenuser]

It always manages to come from people who aren't very well educated. Shit, she didn't even spell immigration correctly yet she thinks she knows what's best for everyone.LMFAO!

She is talking about EMIGRATION, which is not IMMIGRATION.
EMIGRATION is what I did - I left my home country to live in another.

You EMIGRATE from a country (coutry of origin) ... and then you are classed an an IMMIGRANT (at your country of destination).

So, if Aria wants to leave the US she is talking about EMIGRATION, and not IMMIGRATION.

[crumbles]

crumbles, you can not like Aria. You can strongly disagree with her stances on thing. But dude, just leave her alone. She's going through really hard times and you're not helping one bit.Oh my God, whatever. Boo-hoo.

LMFAO! Proceeds to totally owns Crumbles...lol, ironic. I don't really have a defense to that ignorance except for the fact that I have been awake for two days. Damn screaming kid! When will he want to leave the house!

[tokenuser]

When will he want to leave the house!16 years if you are lucky. 24 years if he becomes a tree hugging democrat :D

[kickarse]

16 years if you are lucky. 24 years if he becomes a tree hugging democrat :D

Kick'em out while their young, that way they'll REALLY be crawling back...

I kid...

I would emigrate from America to Canada.

[phatlip12]

Weird, I don't recall saying that she couldn't do that. I recall saying she is more than welcome to leave since I don't agree with her, thus, one less commie living in the States.

*edit*
...and yes, it is kind of funny that she is voting for taking away individual liberties, yet here you are defending that exact right she wants to have removed. I'm so tired of people saying they want the government to think for them. It always manages to come from people who aren't very well educated. Shit, she didn't even spell immigration correctly yet she thinks she knows what's best for everyone.

Yeah, you didn't come right out and say it but it was implied. All that don't agree with you should (I'm sorry...can) leave the United States? Lets change the countries name to Crumbles land. :P

JK

I was just trying to make the point that you having the freedom of speech means EVERY other person in the country has the right to exercise that freedom as well. That unfortunately includes all the whack jobs (not referring to Aria btw).

Ps. Is the uprising of the communist party in this country really that big of a threat? I always knew Hillary was a dirty commi. ;)

On a side note, congrats on the new child crumbles. :)

[crumbles]

Yeah, you didn't come right out and say it but it was implied. All that don't agree with you should (I'm sorry...can) leave the United States? Lets change the countries name to Crumbles land. :PNo, I'm all for people fighting for what they believe in. My only point was "good, one less commie voter I have to worry about." I don't believe in people saying: "If you don't like America, leave." That's just stupid. I agree it should be: "I don't like America, so I'm going to try and change it."

On a side note, congrats on the new child crumbles. :)Thanks, craziest thing I have ever been through in my entire life. EVER. Maybe it's just because I've been preoccupied with the newborn, but it seems like you're not posting on here as much. I'm getting all gitty from lack of arguing. :D

[phatlip12]

No, I'm all for people fighting for what they believe in. My only point was "good, one less commie voter I have to worry about." I don't believe in people saying: "If you don't like America, leave." That's just stupid. I agree it should be: "I don't like America, so I'm going to try and change it."

Thanks, craziest thing I have ever been through in my entire life. EVER. Maybe it's just because I've been preoccupied with the newborn, but it seems like you're not posting on here as much. I'm getting all gitty from lack of arguing. :D

Hell has just froze over. Something we both agree on! Thats what I was trying to hint at, sorry for taking what you said the wrong way.

I can imagine, I suppose mountain dew and Red Bull are your new best friends? ;)

I've been pretty busy as well with school and all.

[ariastar]

From USSR/Ukraine to Canada.

That's what Nick did, yes, before coming here.

[ariastar]

Now that's funny. :D

Aria, I hope you read what I wrote in the other thread. Maybe you did, maybe you didn't, but I'm starting to really worry about you. Seriously.

Send me a message?

[ariastar]

First off, I dunno if that was a joke or not, but it seemed like it was meant to be mean to me... So STFU.

Secondly.



STFU to you too Aria. If you do that, who's gonna use magenta colored text on the forums? masherscf? Yeah, I don't want that.... I don't think anyone does.

The fact that you even have the opportunity to get a degree is something you need to take advantage of. Many people (My self included.) will never have that opportunity.

Don't kill your self. I'd be really sad if you did. :(

You're funny. :) I'm magenta, Sky's teal.

About a degree - even trying means working and school at the same time, no mommy and daddy to support me or loans to cover a dorm room. You and I are probably in the same situation. Going to school requires over-extending and cutting into already precious little spare time.

[ariastar]

No joke. As far as the "STFU," no thanks, I'm good.

Anyone, like her, who is for communism is more than welcome to fucking leave this country. I'd rather her be living in another country than have her voting for my son to grow up in a communist society.

Weird, I don't recall saying that she couldn't do that. I recall saying she is more than welcome to leave since I don't agree with her, thus, one less commie living in the States.

*edit*
...and yes, it is kind of funny that she is voting for taking away individual liberties, yet here you are defending that exact right she wants to have removed. I'm so tired of people saying they want the government to think for them. It always manages to come from people who aren't very well educated. Shit, she didn't even spell immigration correctly yet she thinks she knows what's best for everyone.


Wow, when did I ever say I want personal liberties taken away? I'm so fed up with our rights being stripped that I'm planning to LEAVE.

Your ignorance shows in that you don't know the difference between immigrate and emigrate. I used the correct word.

[ariastar]

crumbles, you can not like Aria. You can strongly disagree with her stances on thing. But dude, just leave her alone. She's going through really hard times and you're not helping one bit.

Just leave the thread be. Don't even pop in to read whats going on. You're being an ass and only causing more distress to her most likely.


On top of that, you're breaking forum rules.



Just back off okay?


Thanks, Patch. Crumbles has been on my case since last year.

[ariastar]

No, I'm all for people fighting for what they believe in. My only point was "good, one less commie voter I have to worry about." I don't believe in people saying: "If you don't like America, leave." That's just stupid. I agree it should be: "I don't like America, so I'm going to try and change it."

Should fighting for what you believe in include ridding the country of anyone who doesn't see things your way? Or by convincing them of your way?

I don't like America, but I'm not going to spend the rest of my life fighting to change it for future generations. Sometimes I'm going to think about myself first instead of thinking about "the children." What we can do here is vote, but the court can overturn that. It's a system out of control.

[ariastar]

Nick has Canadian citizenship right? Marriage is an easy option for emigration ;)


Vancouver is a beautiful city - most cities built around water are ... San Francisco, San Siego, Sydney, Venice ...

And for those that say immigration to the US is easy ... how wrong you are.
I have been here for just over 10 years. I have a degree. I have extensive experience. My wife has a BCompSc, 2x MS, and a Phd and is a Prof at a state university. We are both Australian which makes us "friendly" and in the "low immigration pool" category (ie, not that many of us working/living over here). And we still have problems getting through the system.

I swear, some days, I wish I was here illegally, so I could take advantage of one of those amnesty programmes Bush keeps pushing. I would be straight through that process in a snap.

Yes, he's got Canadian citizenship, but I highly doubt he'd marry me to get me there. In fact, he knows nothing about this, nor do I have plans to tell him.

One of my new, but very good, friends got her green card after more than five years. She's not even sure if it'll be worth it in the end to go for citizenship, not with as long as it takes, the money, the stress.... And I already mentioned Vova's been working on it for a full 15 years and had to withdraw it for the time being over one box he filled in wrong. He received a small school grant years and years ago, and so his application was flagged as fraud/intentional misrepresentation rather than be given the opportunity to fix it on his own. He pulled his application before they had a chance to act on it, and he's since consulted an attorney. But he was scared to death last week about possibly being ripped up from his home, friends, and job and sent overseas with no notice.

I can't wait to be out of here.

[patch]

You're funny. :) I'm magenta, Sky's teal.

About a degree - even trying means working and school at the same time, no mommy and daddy to support me or loans to cover a dorm room. You and I are probably in the same situation. Going to school requires over-extending and cutting into already precious little spare time.

Money aside. I dropped out of high school. I'd never get into a college.

Thanks, Patch. Crumbles has been on my case since last year.

*Growls towards Crumbles*



Aria, you should pop onto the TRS chatroom. ( trs.zone-9.net #totallyradshow )

[crumbles]

Wow, when did I ever say I want personal liberties taken away? I'm so fed up with our rights being stripped that I'm planning to LEAVE.You are hilarious. You want communism, but you don't want your personal liberties taken away? I think you're the ignorant one.

[patch]

You are hilarious. You want communism, but you don't want your personal liberties taken away? I think you're the ignorant one.

Can you just let it go mate?

[crumbles]

Can you just let it go mate?
Has she moved to another country yet?

[ariastar]

You are hilarious. You want communism, but you don't want your personal liberties taken away? I think you're the ignorant one.

Where did you pull this conviction that I am a communist?

[ariastar]

Has she moved to another country yet?

People like you shouldn't be allowed to have kids. You're going to raise that baby to be a hateful, intolerant little snot.

[ariastar]

Can you just let it go mate?

He won't let it go until a mod tells him to knock it off and a threat of being banned.

[crumbles]

Where did you pull this conviction that I am a communist?Are you kidding me?

Truthfully, I'd favor something more along the lines of communism. Sure, it's got its downfalls, but so does our system. At least with communism, everyone who works has food and shelter and all contributions, be it in the field of science or in retail, have value. http://revision3.com/forum/showpost.php?p=120118&postcount=55


People like you shouldn't be allowed to have kids. You're going to raise that baby to be a hateful, intolerant little snot.You know, it's funny. It's interesting that I have all these new feelings in me since my son has been born. A few days ago I would have just shrugged that off. But when I read that it made me want to punch you in the face. But then I realized that even with all of my son's crying he has been doing lately, he still isn't as whiny as you are.

He won't let it go until a mod tells him to knock it off and a threat of being banned.If I was banned wouldn't that insinuate that I still didn't knock it off?

[heyseuss]

lol, ironic. I don't really have a defense to that ignorance except for the fact that I have been awake for two days. Damn screaming kid! When will he want to leave the house!

Just as soon as you teach him to immigrate from home. :rolleyes:

[heyseuss]

Aria I have dual citizenship so I've had no real problems paying taxes in 16 different countries. There are goods and bads. Nothing you can prepare for, one countries good is anothers bad. Any change you make is not going to simply be a walk in the park. The thing is, you are an over-reacter to the short term and you won't acknowledge the benefits in the long run, I urge you to focus on the long term, because when it comes down to it, moving from america to your choice of about 40 other countries in the world is a good thing to do. It will be painful, but how much that pain affects you is up to you if that's what you choose to focus on. But like I said, in the long run, the good FAR outweighs the bad, in comparison to this country and most others.

I think of leaving america akin to using a time machine to step into the future, have a nice trip.

[ariastar]

Aria I have dual citizenship so I've had no real problems paying taxes in 16 different countries. There are goods and bads. Nothing you can prepare for, one countries good is anothers bad. Any change you make is not going to simply be a walk in the park. The thing is, you are an over-reacter to the short term and you won't acknowledge the benefits in the long run, I urge you to focus on the long term, because when it comes down to it, moving from america to your choice of about 40 other countries in the world is a good thing to do. It will be painful, but how much that pain affects you is up to you if that's what you choose to focus on. But like I said, in the long run, the good FAR outweighs the bad, in comparison to this country and most others.

I think of leaving america akin to using a time machine to step into the future, have a nice trip.

I've been talking about it for years, so it's not a decision made in the last few days. I'm unsettled staying in one place almost my whole life. I'm sitting about 80 miles from where I was born.

I know there are trade-offs, but I want something different now.

[heyseuss]

I've been talking about it for years, so it's not a decision made in the last few days. I'm unsettled staying in one place almost my whole life. I'm sitting about 80 miles from where I was born.

80% of americans live 50 miles from where they wre born

[scienceking]

American citizenship is good to have as a CS or Engineer. Almost all companies do some sort of buisness with defense contractors, and the US Government will hardly ever give even the most limited clearances to non-citizens. Every job interview I've had in engineering so far with even non-American companies asks very strictly "Do you have U.S. Citizenship?" even though they know, because of this. Many corporations use technologies licensed by the US DoD and NSA and will not allow non-cleared employees access to certain information. And before you think these are just weapons companies, Google is an example of a company on the list...Lots of good engineers would KILL to have US Citizenship as a result.

The U.S. has taken a bad direction recently, but its only due to the ignorance of comfort. Study U.S. History, it's driven by sustained equilibria. Americans will take action when the comfort starts to fade away, that I can assure you.
What people need to realize is while being an average citizen in the US sucks compared to other countries, you have crazy freedom to move up in the world. Anyone can work hard and get a good job or start their own companies. As long as you are smart enough, you can get a solid education for free, and then get on a track for a very well paying job. The problem is that most americans are happy enough living their current lifestyle that they neglect these options. Me and my friends are getting $80k+ job offers out of school right now, and I'd venture to guess that half the people on these forums probably have more natural potential than I do. Tell me where this is normal anywhere else? You don't hear of too many Kevin Roses outside of the U.S. these days, either...

[ariastar]

80% of americans live 50 miles from where they wre born

It's something like 100 miles. And about 75% of Americans are just sheeple anyway, told to stay nearby.