How can sloth be deadly sin...?

[rabidbadger]

When the seven deadly sins were written before sloths were discovered?

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/iiznotadedl128394131709531250.jpg
:D

[forzeti]

I have never laughed at one of these until now, thanks.

[patch]

More than other sins, the definition of Sloth has changed considerably since its original inclusion among the seven deadly sins. In fact it was first called the sin of sadness. It had been in the early years of Christianity characterized by what modern writers would now describe as melancholy: apathy, depression, and joylessness ? the last being viewed as being a refusal to enjoy the goodness of God and the world He created. Originally, its place was fulfilled by two other aspects, Acedia and Sadness. The former described a spiritual apathy that affected the faithful by discouraging them from their religious work. Sadness (tristitia in Latin) described a feeling of dissatisfaction or discontent, which caused unhappiness with one's current situation. When St. Thomas Aquinas selected Acedia for his list, he described it as an "uneasiness of the mind," being a progenitor for lesser sins such as restlessness and instability. Dante refined this definition further, describing Sloth as being the "failure to love God with all one's heart, all one's mind and all one's soul." He also described it as the middle sin, and as such was the only sin characterised by an absence or insufficiency of love. In his Purgatorio, the slothful penitents were made to run continuously at top speed.

The modern view of the vice, as highlighted by its contrary virtue zeal/diligence, is that it represents the failure to utilize one's talents and gifts. For example, a student who does not work beyond what is required (and thus fails to achieve his or her full potential) could be labeled 'slothful'.

Current interpretations are therefore much less stringent and comprehensive than they were in medieval times, and portray Sloth as being more simply a sin of laziness, of an unwillingness to act, an unwillingness to care (rather than a failure to love God and His works). For this reason Sloth is now often seen as being considerably less serious than the other sins.Wiki Entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins#Sloth_.28Laziness.29_.28Latin.2C _acedia.29)


But, I don't think you were actually being serious. Lol.

Here (http://www.amtrekker.com/completed-objectives/77) is a cool video of a sloth, and some awesome people.

[rabidbadger]

I have never laughed at one of these until now, thanks.

Your welcome. It tickled me too, obviously...:p

[rabidbadger]

Wiki Entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins#Sloth_.28Laziness.29_.28Latin.2C _acedia.29)


But, I don't think you were actually being serious. Lol.

Here (http://www.amtrekker.com/completed-objectives/77) is a cool video of a sloth, and some awesome people.

Oh, so you are saying the critter was named for the sin, and not visa-versa???

:D

[skyz]

Oh, so you are saying the critter was named for the sin, and not visa-versa???

:D

right :)

deadly sins are often misinterpreted as some force is going to strike you down if you commit them

but in actuality it means that these 'sins' will diminish the life force thus the 'deadly'

sloth from a buddhist perspective is a terrible attitude as it is only in human embodiment that a sentient being can reach enlightenment

if as we all do have the equal potential to be a buddha and choose to throw that away to lie around and waste ourselves then that is a really poor decision to say the least

[rabidbadger]

skyz needs to lay off the red wine!! (JK)

[patch]

right :)

deadly sins are often misinterpreted as some force is going to strike you down if you commit them

but in actuality it means that these 'sins' will diminish the life force thus the 'deadly'

sloth from a buddhist perspective is a terrible attitude as it is only in human embodiment that a sentient being can reach enlightenment

if as we all do have the equal potential to be a buddha and choose to throw that away to lie around and waste ourselves then that is a really poor decision to say the least

I'd have to disagree a bit there.

From the buddhist perspective, I could see how that could be correct.

but from the 'Christian' perspective I would say they were more so used as a form of control. If a priest tells you 'god' tells you to do something, or tells you to do it 'in the name of god', you do it, because 'sloth' is a deadly sin.

But, thats just my opinion.

[skyz]

skyz needs to lay off the red wine!! (JK)

i don't drink

i think this way spontaneously

it is kinda scary even for me :D

[skyz]

I'd have to disagree a bit there.

From the buddhist perspective, I could see how that could be correct.

but from the 'Christian' perspective I would say they were more so used as a form of control. If a priest tells you 'god' tells you to do something, or tells you to do it 'in the name of god', you do it, because 'sloth' is a deadly sin.

But, thats just my opinion.

in buddhism there is no god other than your own higher nature

which is what you access through realization same as the historical buddha

but if you think of it simply like this it is obvious:

if you lie around eating junk and watching junk on tv you will get sick from lack of nutrition and exercise and your mind will be dull

there is the deadly part whether you buy into sin or not

it is all causality - if you want a god you can have one but with or without god causality still rules reality

[patch]

in buddhism there is no god other than your own higher nature

which is what you access through realization same as the historical buddha

but if you think of it simply like this it is obvious:

if you lie around eating junk and watching junk on tv you will get sick from lack of nutrition and exercise and your mind will be dull

there is the deadly part whether you buy into sin or not

it is all causality - if you want a god you can have one but with or without god casuality still rules reality



I'm not arguing against that. I'm just saying, the "Seven Deadly Sins" were created by 'the christian church' and in my opinion they were a means of control.

[ryudo]

Wiki Entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins#Sloth_.28Laziness.29_.28Latin.2C _acedia.29)


But, I don't think you were actually being serious. Lol.

Here (http://www.amtrekker.com/completed-objectives/77) is a cool video of a sloth, and some awesome people.

Basically Wiki says if you are some EMO dumbass it's a deadly sin.

[skyz]

I'm not arguing against that. I'm just saying, the "Seven Deadly Sins" were created by 'the christian church' and in my opinion they were a means of control.

yes you are right

abrahamic religion is full of thou shalt nots and if you do what you should not the wrath of god will flame down upon you

buddhism is more positive and gentle

The Noble Eightfold Path describes the way to the end of suffering, as it was laid out by Siddhartha Gautama. It is a practical guideline to ethical and mental development with the goal of freeing the individual from attachments and delusions; and it finally leads to understanding the truth about all things. Together with the Four Noble Truths it constitutes the gist of Buddhism. Great emphasis is put on the practical aspect, because it is only through practice that one can attain a higher level of existence and finally reach Nirvana. The eight aspects of the path are not to be understood as a sequence of single steps, instead they are highly interdependent principles that have to be seen in relationship with each other.

1. Right View

Right view is the beginning and the end of the path, it simply means to see and to understand things as they really are and to realise the Four Noble Truth. As such, right view is the cognitive aspect of wisdom. It means to see things through, to grasp the impermanent and imperfect nature of worldly objects and ideas, and to understand the law of karma and karmic conditioning. Right view is not necessarily an intellectual capacity, just as wisdom is not just a matter of intelligence. Instead, right view is attained, sustained, and enhanced through all capacities of mind. It begins with the intuitive insight that all beings are subject to suffering and it ends with complete understanding of the true nature of all things. Since our view of the world forms our thoughts and our actions, right view yields right thoughts and right actions.

2. Right Intention

While right view refers to the cognitive aspect of wisdom, right intention refers to the volitional aspect, i.e. the kind of mental energy that controls our actions. Right intention can be described best as commitment to ethical and mental self-improvement. Buddha distinguishes three types of right intentions: 1. the intention of renunciation, which means resistance to the pull of desire, 2. the intention of good will, meaning resistance to feelings of anger and aversion, and 3. the intention of harmlessness, meaning not to think or act cruelly, violently, or aggressively, and to develop compassion.

3. Right Speech

Right speech is the first principle of ethical conduct in the eightfold path. Ethical conduct is viewed as a guideline to moral discipline, which supports the other principles of the path. This aspect is not self-sufficient, however, essential, because mental purification can only be achieved through the cultivation of ethical conduct. The importance of speech in the context of Buddhist ethics is obvious: words can break or save lives, make enemies or friends, start war or create peace. Buddha explained right speech as follows: 1. to abstain from false speech, especially not to tell deliberate lies and not to speak deceitfully, 2. to abstain from slanderous speech and not to use words maliciously against others, 3. to abstain from harsh words that offend or hurt others, and 4. to abstain from idle chatter that lacks purpose or depth. Positively phrased, this means to tell the truth, to speak friendly, warm, and gently and to talk only when necessary.

4. Right Action

The second ethical principle, right action, involves the body as natural means of expression, as it refers to deeds that involve bodily actions. Unwholesome actions lead to unsound states of mind, while wholesome actions lead to sound states of mind. Again, the principle is explained in terms of abstinence: right action means 1. to abstain from harming sentient beings, especially to abstain from taking life (including suicide) and doing harm intentionally or delinquently, 2. to abstain from taking what is not given, which includes stealing, robbery, fraud, deceitfulness, and dishonesty, and 3. to abstain from sexual misconduct. Positively formulated, right action means to act kindly and compassionately, to be honest, to respect the belongings of others, and to keep sexual relationships harmless to others. Further details regarding the concrete meaning of right action can be found in the Precepts.

5. Right Livelihood

Right livelihood means that one should earn one's living in a righteous way and that wealth should be gained legally and peacefully. The Buddha mentions four specific activities that harm other beings and that one should avoid for this reason: 1. dealing in weapons, 2. dealing in living beings (including raising animals for slaughter as well as slave trade and prostitution), 3. working in meat production and butchery, and 4. selling intoxicants and poisons, such as alcohol and drugs. Furthermore any other occupation that would violate the principles of right speech and right action should be avoided.

6. Right Effort

Right effort can be seen as a prerequisite for the other principles of the path. Without effort, which is in itself an act of will, nothing can be achieved, whereas misguided effort distracts the mind from its task, and confusion will be the consequence. Mental energy is the force behind right effort; it can occur in either wholesome or unwholesome states. The same type of energy that fuels desire, envy, aggression, and violence can on the other side fuel self-discipline, honesty, benevolence, and kindness. Right effort is detailed in four types of endeavours that rank in ascending order of perfection: 1. to prevent the arising of unarisen unwholesome states, 2. to abandon unwholesome states that have already arisen, 3. to arouse wholesome states that have not yet arisen, and 4. to maintain and perfect wholesome states already arisen.

7. Right Mindfulness

Right mindfulness is the controlled and perfected faculty of cognition. It is the mental ability to see things as they are, with clear consciousness. Usually, the cognitive process begins with an impression induced by perception, or by a thought, but then it does not stay with the mere impression. Instead, we almost always conceptualise sense impressions and thoughts immediately. We interpret them and set them in relation to other thoughts and experiences, which naturally go beyond the facticity of the original impression. The mind then posits concepts, joins concepts into constructs, and weaves those constructs into complex interpretative schemes. All this happens only half consciously, and as a result we often see things obscured. Right mindfulness is anchored in clear perception and it penetrates impressions without getting carried away. Right mindfulness enables us to be aware of the process of conceptualisation in a way that we actively observe and control the way our thoughts go. Buddha accounted for this as the four foundations of mindfulness: 1. contemplation of the body, 2. contemplation of feeling (repulsive, attractive, or neutral), 3. contemplation of the state of mind, and 4. contemplation of the phenomena.

8. Right Concentration

The eighth principle of the path, right concentration, refers to the development of a mental force that occurs in natural consciousness, although at a relatively low level of intensity, namely concentration. Concentration in this context is described as one-pointedness of mind, meaning a state where all mental faculties are unified and directed onto one particular object. Right concentration for the purpose of the eightfold path means wholesome concentration, i.e. concentration on wholesome thoughts and actions. The Buddhist method of choice to develop right concentration is through the practice of meditation. The meditating mind focuses on a selected object. It first directs itself onto it, then sustains concentration, and finally intensifies concentration step by step. Through this practice it becomes natural to apply elevated levels concentration also in everyday situations.


and there is no wrath of god

you set yourself up for you own misery and there is no one to save you but yourself

the responsibility lies with you

you can be noble if you want to be noble

[wizmaster]

Basically Wiki says if you are some EMO dumbass it's a deadly sin.

I always wondered why they don't update the scriptures. Emo being a deadly sin would make more sense nowadays rather then sloth.

[njshadow]

When the seven deadly sins were written before sloths were discovered?

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/iiznotadedl128394131709531250.jpg
:D

Uh, dude. I think you mean sloth as in "slovenly" which would mean LAZY. Scheeze....

[rabidbadger]

Oh, dude, I am so so sorry for you. I really am.

[njshadow]

yes you are right

abrahamic religion is full of thou shalt nots and if you do what you should not the wrath of god will flame down upon you

buddhism is more positive and gentle




and there is no wrath of god

you set yourself up for you own misery and there is no one to save you but yourself

the responsibility lies with you

you can be noble if you want to be noble



Yeah, sounds pretty scary eh? Good thing I had my Savior to intercede for my sins. :)

[patch]

Yeah, sounds pretty scary eh? Good thing I had my Savior to intercede for my sins. :)


Umm, could someone tell me.

Am I alowed to rip apart religious beliefs on the forums...? I'm not sure about the rules on that...

[comhcinc]

Umm, could someone tell me.

Am I alowed to rip apart religious beliefs on the forums...? I'm not sure about the rules on that...
no not really unless they are directed at you. or if you start a thread about your beleifs, but i don't know how long that would fly

[xibalba]

no not really unless they are directed at you. or if you start a thread about your beleifs, but i don't know how long that would fly

I don't see why he couldn't as long as he isn't insulting to the person. :D

[skyz]

Umm, could someone tell me.

Am I alowed to rip apart religious beliefs on the forums...? I'm not sure about the rules on that...

don't go there it is a never ending argument

let people believe what they want to/need to believe

i only speak about buddhism because it is a practice not technically a religion

[sail191912]

yes you are right

abrahamic religion is full of thou shalt nots and if you do what you should not the wrath of god will flame down upon you

buddhism is more positive and gentle

and there is no wrath of god

you set yourself up for you own misery and there is no one to save you but yourself

the responsibility lies with you

you can be noble if you want to be noble



I've been catholic since birth and I sort of agree. I usually just pick what I want from the 'teachings' and leave out all the hell & damnation bs.
I'm more inclined to believe in the 'reap what you sow' rule. It makes more sense.

[heyseuss]

I've been catholic since birth and I sort of agree.

That's funny.

[rabidbadger]

Umm, could someone tell me.

Am I alowed to rip apart religious beliefs on the forums...? I'm not sure about the rules on that...

It's my thread and I say "GO FOR IT" :)

(in good "faith" or course)

[phatlip12]

Umm, could someone tell me.

Am I alowed to rip apart religious beliefs on the forums...? I'm not sure about the rules on that...

Why rip apart a belief?

[rabidbadger]

Why rip apart a belief?


good question. don't rip it apart, but feel free to question it.

[sail191912]

That's funny.

I didn't say I was a good catholic. :D