Amendment II

[comhcinc]

or some teenagers stole it. when(if) you find out the truth of the matter please post

[crumbles]

I havta say, the only place that I took a gun where there was a "No Guns Allowed" sign was Canada...
Q: What does a Canadian say when you step on his foot?
A: "Sorry."

[masherscf]

Q: What does a Canadian say when you step on his foot?
A: "Sorry."


In this case, It would have been " Pardonnez-moi !"

[AutoDas]

comh, were you drafted into the Vietnam War or why are you against guns if you volunteered to join the army? I've always wondered if the people who have railed against the Second Amendment don't have mental issues themselves that they are trying to project on other people. So do you have Post-traumatic Stress Disorder?

[comhcinc]

do i really come off as being that old? my father was in the vietnam war. i fought in the current fun happening over in Iraq. i was in the national guard. i joined in 1997. i joined to help people out, such as when bad weather happens. due to my mad skillz i ended in the 20th SFG, which is the unit i was in when i went to Iraq. i will have been home one year next month. i've seen first hand the results of everyone in a country owning military grade weapons.
that said i have never said i was "against guns" i think ownership of semiauto rifles and shotguns are pretty fine. hand guns and military grade weapons on the other hand i do have a problem with. no one has shown me a good reason for people to have them.
as for the whole "mental issues" thing. really that isn't very cool.

[crumbles]

Owned!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0DoG_zcWpc

[comhcinc]

so did the second guy have a gun? it didn't say. i know he didn't pull a gun. if the gunman had deciede to kill the guy he could have. luckly for him the gunman seem more interested in thief than death.

[crumbles]

Ha, this (http://divisionoflabour.com/archives/004255.php) was on Digg today. So true, so true.

[xibalba]

http://www.1bad69.com/keltec/images/comic3.jpg
http://www.1bad69.com/keltec/images/LiberalSecondAmendment.jpg

[tokenuser]

that said i have never said i was "against guns" i think ownership of semiauto rifles and shotguns are pretty fine. hand guns and military grade weapons on the other hand i do have a problem with. no one has shown me a good reason for people to have them.Pretty much echoes my opinion - except that semiauto is only a mod kit away from full auto.

[masherscf]

Pretty much echoes my opinion - except that semiauto is only a mod kit away from full auto.

The ability to make illegal whiskey is just a hundred dollars of spare parts away from brewing your own beer.

The technology for growing pot is the same as for growing hemp.

Framing the DCMA to make the removable of DRM illegal to stop piracy does work because pirates have no trouble will breaking existing copyright laws already.

Making a reasonable act unlawful because it enables an illegal act only hurts law abiding people.

[xibalba]

The ability to make illegal whiskey is just a hundred dollars of spare parts away from brewing your own beer.

The technology for growing pot is the same as for growing hemp.

Framing the DCMA to make the removable of DRM illegal to stop piracy does work because pirates have no trouble will breaking existing copyright laws already.

Making a reasonable act unlawful because it enables an illegal act only hurts law abiding people.

In school (middle school I believe) one year a teacher explained how to make moonshine to us hah.

[masherscf]

In school (middle school I believe) one year a teacher explained how to make moonshine to us hah.

It's not hard.

[tokenuser]

Making a reasonable act unlawful because it enables an illegal act only hurts law abiding people.Because "sports hunters" need the edge a semi auto rifle will give them? Damn - those ducks and deer must have developed a whole new bag of strategies :)

If possesing a rifle for sports shooting is important, then why insult the sport with the mechanical equivalent of blood doping, or steroids?

[tokenuser]

In school (middle school I believe) one year a teacher explained how to make moonshine to us hah.We made alcohol in highschool. Went beyond explanation and into the whole process - much easier with a lab full of equipment, than a bunch of spare parts from Home Depot.

I can't remember the context (it was senior chemistry, probably something to do with molarity), but it was fun taking the distillate, painting it with a brush on the lab desks, then lighting it. Same teacher also had us blowing up trashcans in the school quadrangle. I guess if you are also the deputy principal you can get away with that stuff :)

[xibalba]

Because "sports hunters" need the edge a semi auto rifle will give them? Damn - those ducks and deer must have developed a whole new bag of strategies :)

If possesing a rifle for sports shooting is important, then why insult the sport with the mechanical equivalent of blood doping, or steroids?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/thejackall/deer4_screen010.jpg

[tokenuser]

You beat me to it - I was searching for that sort of image and was going to edit it in :)

[comhcinc]

Pretty much echoes my opinion - except that semiauto is only a mod kit away from full auto.

it's not always so easy. if a gun is build to go full auto, say an AK-47, then yeah you only have to change a part or two. on the other hand if you are talking about a winchester hunting rifle you have to build a whole new loading model from start.
btw i see things like AKs to be military grade weapons

[masherscf]

Because "sports hunters" need the edge a semi auto rifle will give them? Damn - those ducks and deer must have developed a whole new bag of strategies :)

If we're talking about hunting, I'll go one further. I see no reason why a gun used for hunting should hold more than 5 rounds at a time. People are shot to death in the north woods every year by hunters who don't check their targets. A limited ammo supply might help curb this problem.

Gun control laws to prevent poaching and deer spotting are pretty strict even in places that allow you to carry handguns loaded an concealed without a license. I see no problem in passing laws to limit the firearms you can hunt with while not making the same rifles blatantly illegal to own at all.

[AutoDas]

um do you actually think the Founding Fathers wanted the Second Amendment to be included for robbers? lawl

[masherscf]

um do you actually think the Founding Fathers wanted the Second Amendment to be included for robbers? lawl

We've already discussed the original context. During the British Colonial period, It was the right of the colonial governor to store the arms of the local militia. Local citizens were not allowed to store military arms. Hunting rifles and shot guns were not considered proper military weapons at the time.

As the modern debate is framed, very few people advocate the maintenance of military weapons by private citizens. Therefore, the original context of the second amendment almost certainly doesn't apply.

No one can know what the founding father's intended. We're left with the second amendment as codified. It's in English as written and has a perfectly readable meaning. Doesn't it...

Local municipalities are free to make any laws governing firearms. If any of these laws violate the second amendment, there is a pretty solid constitutional procedure for voiding them. There are many unconstitutional laws on the books of local municipalities. Among these are drinking age laws. The difference is that nobody contests them.

[crumbles]

No one can know what the founding father's intended.Sorry, but that's not true. It's very clear what the founding fathers intentions were with America. All the way down to there never being an income tax.

[masherscf]

Sorry, but that's not true. It's very clear what the founding fathers intentions were with America. All the way down to there never being an income tax.

Well, I'm going to disagree with you. Unless a detailed transcipt of the precedings come to light, I think that few single interpretations of the founding father intentions could be valid because the founding fathers were not one person. Even if the fathers were like minded and in agreement, the entire document is one of compromise and probably doesn't represent the true wishes of any single person.

In any case, I think the intentions of the people who wrote the amendments are are pretty much irrelavant. A government gets it's authority from the consent of the governed. That is, the relevant intentions are those that voted for the bill of rights originally and those that are still governed by it today. Stripping the second amendment or abolishing the personal income tax are well withen the authority of other constitutional amendments.

This country is still founded on compromise. That is, the working of the government is not based on a single dogma and the responsibilties of the government are defined by the governed...not by captalist, liberatarian, religious, communist, socialist or progressive philosophies.

[comhcinc]

so are the founding fathers god? should we really care what these guys wanted for their country? wasn't the whole point to make a place that was best for the people?

[masherscf]

so are the founding fathers god? should we really care what these guys wanted for their country? wasn't the whole point to make a place that was best for the people?

That's funny and so true. The Roman Catholic tradition owes many of it's forms of worship to Roman religious practices. The Romans were devout ancestor worshipers. The idea of venerating saints, founding fathers or fallen veterens would fit well into Roman society. I expect that even with protestant roots, we inherited this tendency to worship our ancestors.

[crumbles]

should we really care what these guys wanted for their country?Spoken like a true Democrat.

[masherscf]

Spoken like a true Democrat.

Clever reposte. Your usual standard.

[tokenuser]

Spoken like a true Democrat.I suspect he was speaking rhetorically.

[crumbles]

Clever reposte. Your usual standard.I guess it just always amazes me for some reason to read something like that.

I suspect he was speaking rhetorically.Yes, I know. It's his rhetoric answer that makes me sick.

[masherscf]

I guess it just always amazes me for some reason to read something like that.


I don't think labeling Comhcinc in an attempt to dismiss his opinion adds anything to the discussion.

Being nasty all the time just isn't neccesary.

[comhcinc]

funny thing is, i am not a democrat ;)

[crumbles]

I don't think labeling Comhcinc in an attempt to dismiss his opinion adds anything to the discussion.So let me get this straight. I call him a Democrat (something he is) and that's a "cruel" label. However, him calling me "Rush"
http://www.revision3.com/forum/showpost.php?p=234109&postcount=35
http://www.revision3.com/forum/showpost.php?p=153023&postcount=37
http://www.revision3.com/forum/showpost.php?p=147469&postcount=69
http://www.revision3.com/forum/showpost.php?p=147294&postcount=51
http://www.revision3.com/forum/showpost.php?p=147289&postcount=47
http://www.revision3.com/forum/showpost.php?p=147281&postcount=42

and a "sheep" all the time is OK.

I love how Democrats hate being called a Democrat... but anyway...

If you're going to be a moderator, try to be unbiased before you tell me not to call someone a "non-name" while others are calling me names. (Unless you're telling me that Democrat is now an insult.)

funny thing is, i am not a democrat ;)Communist? What's more left than a Democrat?

[masherscf]

So let me get this straight. I call him a Democrat (something he is) and that's a "cruel" label. However, him calling me "r (http://www.revision3.com/forum/showpost.php?p=234109&postcount=35)u (http://www.revision3.com/forum/showpost.php?p=153023&postcount=37)s (http://www.revision3.com/forum/showpost.php?p=147469&postcount=69)h (http://www.revision3.com/forum/showpost.php?p=147294&postcount=51). (http://www.revision3.com/forum/showpost.php?p=147289&postcount=47). (http://www.revision3.com/forum/showpost.php?p=147281&postcount=42)" and a "sheep" all the time is OK.

I love how Democrats hate being called a Democrat... but anyway...

If you're going to be a moderator, try to be unbiased before you tell me not to call someone a "non-name" while others are calling me names. (Unless you're telling me that Democrat is now an insult.)

Communist? What's more left than a Democrat?

What is with you? I never suggested that you violated any rules. I just thought your use of labels was weak. I didn't tell you not to do it. I didn't threaten you with any sanction. I just thought it was a weak response.

I don't dislike being called a "Democrat." Your response was not insulting on that basis. I completly understood the tone and manner of your delivery, you cannot take it back.

Tell me that your observation was meant to be supportive and not dismissive and I'll admit that I was wrong.

[crumbles]

I never suggested that you violated any rules.I never said you did, nor was I defending myself from breaking any rules. I was defending myself to exactly what you said.

I just thought your use of labels was weak. I didn't tell you not to do it. I didn't threaten you with any sanction. I just thought it was a weak response.I wasn't trying to make a debate out of his response. I read what he said and felt it was exactly in line with a Democrat, hence, my comment.

I don't dislike being called a "Democrat." Your response was not insulting on that basis. I completly understood the tone and manner of your delivery, you cannot take it back.Please let me take it back. Please? I usually don't take anything back that I say, because I usually don't bullshit with anything. I say what I mean. Why would you think that I want to take anything back.

Tell me that your observation was meant to be supportive and not dismissive and I'll admit that I was wrong.It was meant exactly what it was. He spoke like a true Democrat. If you took it as an insult, then you feel it's an insult to be called a Democrat. Otherwise, it's exactly what I said.

[rabidbadger]

this was going so well for so long... bummer it came to this. as op, I am tempted to ask the mods to close it. but I'll give it one more chance.

[masherscf]

It was meant exactly what it was. He spoke like a true Democrat. If you took it as an insult, then you feel it's an insult to be called a Democrat. Otherwise, it's exactly what I said.

I don't think it was an insult. The dismissive tone of the message was just rude.

Your posts are usually interesting and occasionally insightful. Why you feel the need to snap at people in this fashion is not for me to judge.

Some members of my family are as much liberation and conservative as you. I understand and respect their opinions as I do yours.

Why must you bite?

[rabidbadger]

last chance: all three of you!

The Scorpion and the Frog

One day, a scorpion looked around at the mountain where he lived and decided that he wanted a change. So he set out on a journey through the forests and hills. He climbed over rocks and under vines and kept going until he reached a river.
The river was wide and swift, and the scorpion stopped to reconsider the situation. He couldn't see any way across. So he ran upriver and then checked downriver, all the while thinking that he might have to turn back.

Suddenly, he saw a frog sitting in the rushes by the bank of the stream on the other side of the river. He decided to ask the frog for help getting across the stream.

"Hellooo Mr. Frog!" called the scorpion across the water, "Would you be so kind as to give me a ride on your back across the river?"

"Well now, Mr. Scorpion! How do I know that if I try to help you, you wont try to kill me?" asked the frog hesitantly.

"Because," the scorpion replied, "If I try to kill you, then I would die too, for you see I cannot swim!"

Now this seemed to make sense to the frog. But he asked. "What about when I get close to the bank? You could still try to kill me and get back to the shore!"

"This is true," agreed the scorpion, "But then I wouldn't be able to get to the other side of the river!"

"Alright then...how do I know you wont just wait till we get to the other side and THEN kill me?" said the frog.

"Ahh...," crooned the scorpion, "Because you see, once you've taken me to the other side of this river, I will be so grateful for your help, that it would hardly be fair to reward you with death, now would it?!"

So the frog agreed to take the scorpion across the river. He swam over to the bank and settled himself near the mud to pick up his passenger. The scorpion crawled onto the frog's back, his sharp claws prickling into the frog's soft hide, and the frog slid into the river. The muddy water swirled around them, but the frog stayed near the surface so the scorpion would not drown. He kicked strongly through the first half of the stream, his flippers paddling wildly against the current.

Halfway across the river, the frog suddenly felt a sharp sting in his back and, out of the corner of his eye, saw the scorpion remove his stinger from the frog's back. A deadening numbness began to creep into his limbs.

"You fool!" croaked the frog, "Now we shall both die! Why on earth did you do that?"

The scorpion shrugged, and did a little jig on the drownings frog's back.

"I could not help myself. It is my nature."

Then they both sank into the muddy waters of the swiftly flowing river.

[comhcinc]

so am i the scorpion, the frog, or the water? :confused: i'm so confused!

[AutoDas]

comhcinc you start a lot of fights on these forums.

[crumbles]

I don't think it was an insult. The dismissive tone of the message was just rude.Again, he calls me a sheep and other various names, I call him by his party, yet I'm the rude one. :rolleyes:

Your posts are usually interesting and occasionally insightful. Why you feel the need to snap at people in this fashion is not for me to judge."Spoken like a true Democrat" = snapping at him? Are you serious?

Why must you bite?See above.

[masherscf]

Again, he calls me a sheep and other various names, I call him by his party, yet I'm the rude one. :rolleyes:

"Spoken like a true Democrat" = snapping at him? Are you serious?

See above.

I'm trying to reach out to you. Can't you see that?

Say something nice, without sarcasm...just once.

[crumbles]

Say something nice, without sarcasm...just once.I love my son.

[masherscf]

I love my son.

It's a start. I love my Son and Daughter.

[scienceking]

I think the second amendment should be immediately changed with an emergency provision to include under force of law that it can only be discussed tastefully and preferably not on the internets.

[skyz]

I think the second amendment should be immediately changed with an emergency provision to include under force of law that it can only be discussed tastefully and preferably not on the internets.


that would be a violation of the first amendment

[comhcinc]

comhcinc you start a lot of fights on these forums.

hate to tell you, but i didn't start this and it doesn't involve me. you really need to stop following me around and commenting on my actions. feel free to post whatever you want about me here (http://revision3.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7970&highlight=comhcinc)

[rabidbadger]

well, this is going no where. Please close this thread.

Joel