Marie Antoinette...

[mixel]

Saw it last night with my girlfriend, and i have to admit...
This movie was actually really good. It had great style. Kirsten Dunst is sexy as hell and her acting ability really stood out (plus she gets naked). The movie was slow at times, but felt intentional. I know there will be people disagreeing with me but if you like Gardenstate, Lost in Translation, or any Wes Anderson film, you will enjoy this as well.

[psbp516]

Saw it last night with my girlfriend, and i have to admit...
This movie was actually really good. It had great style. Kirsten Dunst is sexy as hell and her acting ability really stood out (plus she gets naked). The movie was slow at times, but felt intentional. I know there will be people disagreeing with me but if you like Gardenstate or Lost in Translation, you will enjoy this as well.

Call me homosexual, but I actually thought this movie looked good ever since I first saw the trailer. But if you say that its similiar to Lost in Translation and Garden State (even though I don't understand the comparison) I'm definitely going to see it.

[xxxthundercatxxx]

Nice try Bizarro, or should I say Lexim, but we're not falling for your scheme. No matter how much Dunst is paying you to say this just remember, that's tainted 'Bring it On' money and it'll haunt your soul until it drives you mad if you keep it.

[sugarsickness]

Bring it On is in my spank bank.


You said she gets naked therefore I will see this. I'll probably end up watching this in theaters with my pants at my ankles though, if thats the case.

[briangilmore]

yeah, a lotta see through stuff too!!!

Anyway, this movie was seriously great, and was told from a perspective that few have probably seen the very hated queen from. Sofia Coppola was scaring me b/c i LOVED the Virgin Suicides and ADORE Lost in Translation. She comesout at 3 for 3 with this one, and was not disappointed at all. It was much better than I was expecting, but I WAS expecting CRAP.

Jason Schwartzman is an amazing comedic actor.

[seumas]

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[mixel]

Kirsten Dunst is one of those bland modern-age hollywood actresses that bore me out of my mind. She could never sell me on a film. At best, she'd happen to be in a film I already wanted to watch. She's about as yummy as I imagine fresh dogshit might be.

If Marie Antoinette appeals to you, you're probably the type who loved Michelle Pfieffer in The Age of Innocence. I was going to continue on saying that it further suggests you have no penis. Then I realized I would be infringing on Captain Obvious.

I shall now receive the brunt of two or three of the above posters desparately attempting to save their sexuality by finding something to bash on me about, rather than confronting the not-at-all-secret truth they think they're hiding. If you're looking for a personal attack to achieve this, I might suggest something about the shaved head and.. perhaps something about the egg-shapedness of the whole cranium. But don't let me tell you how to do your jobs. :P



How much is this guy trying to get attention? I mean come on, your a 29 year old goth kid.. or man? lol ****in joke, Grow up. Please don't try compare how tough or how much of man you are to others, knowing damn well the only way your getting a girl is if your paying for her. Remember hookers dont count. Didn't i see you on that Dateline special the other night, where you got busted for trying to get with a 13 year old you met online... I wouldn't brag about that perv.


You know someone is a loser when they suggest how you should go about making fun of them... pethetic.

[seumas]

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[toastmstrgeneral]

Kirsten Dunst is one of those bland modern-age hollywood actresses that bore me out of my mind. She could never sell me on a film. At best, she'd happen to be in a film I already wanted to watch. She's about as yummy as I imagine fresh dogshit might be.

If Marie Antoinette appeals to you, you're probably the type who loved Michelle Pfieffer in The Age of Innocence. I was going to continue on saying that it further suggests you have no penis. Then I realized I would be infringing on Captain Obvious.

I shall now receive the brunt of two or three of the above posters desparately attempting to save their sexuality by finding something to bash on me about, rather than confronting the not-at-all-secret truth they think they're hiding. If you're looking for a personal attack to achieve this, I might suggest something about the shaved head and.. perhaps something about the egg-shapedness of the whole cranium. But don't let me tell you how to do your jobs. :P

Forgive me if I completely ignore your opinion, but I'm going to put more weight on the opinions of those who'e actually seen the movie rather than the dude who hates everything.

I do want to see this, though I'll need a date since this isn't the type of flick you can go see with your bros. Any volunteers?

[sugarsickness]

Forgive me if I completely ignore your opinion, but I'm going to put more weight on the opinions of those who'e actually seen the movie rather than the dude who hates everything.

I do want to see this, though I'll need a date since this isn't the type of flick you can go see with your bros. Any volunteers?

I'll go with you. Pick me up at eight.

[seumas]

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[mixel]

Aw, gee. Someone can't take criticism of their tastes. Poor thing. Did the inbreeding weed out the ability to detect humor and sarcasm from your family? I can see you're the easy-going, non-high-strung type. Don't worry, you will eventually grow out of being so quickly offended and enraged over light-hearted jests at your manhood, just like I couldn't care less about your unoriginal "durr durr sex offender" retort. Seriously, your over the top response reminds me of the stereotypically heavily-stereoided, mouth-breathing, brain-numb pro athelete that takes everything personally and seriously and leaps off the handle as soon as they think their manhood is being questioned. You clearly need my guidance in criticizing and attacking me, because you completely suck at it.

Your completely right - pethetic.




criticism? Dude you were just talking shit, and being a douchbag.
Im not even going to read the rest of your post, go jerk off to a Stalone film or something...

[sugarsickness]

Man, this place is like ****ing romper room. I've never seen such a group of docile geeks afraid to voice their opinions -- even if they're negative or critical.hahahaha :D

People here voice their opinions. Sorry not everyone's an ass about it like you though ^^

[seumas]

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[darksydeavenger]

Zing! Seumas for the win!

This movie looks like it could be interesting. The only experience I have with Sophia Coppola's work is Lost in Translation, and I thought that movie was pure drek. Perhaps this period piece is better suited for her directing eye. I'm guessing no, but I might give it a chance.

[seumas]

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[mixel]

Who can take anyone serious with a handle bar mustache and a head like Mac Tonight?...

Face it dude... your not cool, and acting like a ****ing prick just makes you like like just that, a ****ing prick.

[darksydeavenger]

Well, yeah. I enjoyed the performances in Translation. I just didn't care for the choices Coppola made in her directing.

And guys...I'm thinking we can cut this lame insult competition bullshit out and get on with our geekdom.

[iggystar]

I'm not going to be concerned that a bunch of random geeks I will never meet in person might think I'm just a big meanie.

Awww, don't say that. :( I'd hope to meet some of my favorite dromers one day.

I'm used to Seumas' personality. He's the Geekdrome resident cynic (a.k.a. Debbie Downer) which makes it all the more special when he cracks a cyber-smile (like admitting to liking Green Card). :)

Anyway, even when his opinion differs his arguments are very smartly expressed. This forums are for geek opinions and what is a more geek opinion than one voiced about a movie not seen?

[tokenuser]

I do want to see this, though I'll need a date since this isn't the type of flick you can go see with your bros. Any volunteers?I think you just justified Seamus' comments ...

Kirsten Dunst naked?? Yeah, its a definate plus for the movie, but she has been itching to go all the way ... just look at her filmography at MrSkin (http://www.mrskin.com/Stars/01480/Kirsten_Dunst.htm). This her first nude scene, but she has definately been warming up to it for awhile.

I wont be seeing it at the movies. I'll wait or the DVD.

[mixel]

So i thought about it...
I think this will be the kind of movie that people will either really love, or really hate. No in between. For me, I really enjoyed it. The proformance of Kirsten Dunst going from age 14 to mid 30's was genuine and performed perfectly IMO. Tracks from bands like the Strokes, Squarepusher, New Order, and the Cure compliment each amazingly beautiful picturesque scene. The hunting scene where Schwartzman is riding a horse with 25 or so hound dogs is just cool looking. Not a ton of dialog can make it seem slow at times, but it feels completely intentional. So never mind the back in forth shit going on in here, if your into the cinematography aspect of film making (and your comofortable with your sexuality), then this movie is a must. But if not then don't.

[sloppybunny]

First, Who wants to listen to some close minded asshole's opinion about a movie they havn't even seen? Second, it wasn't an opinion, he was talking shit to the people who showed any interest in this film. I mean come on do you really wonder why your still a 29 year old virgin? Stomping daisys and eating beef jerky. ****in troll.

For the purpose of sounding super lame like a middle aged woman with 3 children, you should just ignore the posts if they bother you. If he is so bent on not seeing titanic because a principal he has, why would you think anything you type on a message board will affect or change his mind?

Although I agree what he posted wasn't really an opinion sans sugar coat, but more of an insult to people with your taste.

Seeing as no one agrees with him you should let it go.

Personally I thought lost in translation was a non event movie. I watched it, gave it a fair go and didn't like it. Luc Besson panned Mary Antoinette, although his arguments were quite hypocritical as he allways let's Americans bastardise his films (Usually under his production arm) The Assassin and Taxi come to mind.

Looks to me like the Heath Ledger version of Casanova, and as super innacurate and stupid that film was, I actually found it fun. Mary Antoinette anything like that? Then it's a definite look out for DVD for me :)

[r3v]

Man, this place is like ****ing romper room. I've never seen such a group of docile geeks afraid to voice their opinions -- even if they're negative or critical.

Plenty of opinions get voiced in the drome. Personally, I think mixel got defensive because, while you claim it was a "light-hearted" jest, there's not much in your post to suggest that. Then again, it kinda seems like you are both new to the drome. On that note, Seumus, please stop painting the entire community with the "*****" paintbrush because it's ****ing annoying.

So, to conclude (& I am sure neither of you care):


Seumus, you do come off as "the guy that hates everything". Being "that guy" means people tend respond negatively to your shit first, if they have nothing to base it on. There's no tone. I'm not saying you should change at all, by the way, but stop acting all ****ing surprised when people don't get where yer coming from, especially when you say it's going to happen in the original post. heh.

mixel, lighten up, man. Seumus' reply was the 170+ word equivalent of JLo replying and saying "fag."


I know it must seem like I've had years of training, but really I learned all of this psychology from that one episode of Dr. Phil I saw.

[satori]

not sure if I'll see this movie or not, but if I do I have a feeling it'll be a rental. On seeing kirstin dunst naked, I feel if they were going to do it I'd want to make sure it's after she's had lunch. That lady is waaaaay to skinny... did anyone see her on the Daily show last week? She looks like she's been trapped at the bottom of a well for a few weeks.

[bcool]

not sure if I'll see this movie or not, but if I do I have a feeling it'll be a rental. On seeing kirstin dunst naked, I feel if they were going to do it I'd want to make sure it's after she's had lunch. That lady is waaaaay to skinny... did anyone see her on the Daily show last week? She looks like she's been trapped at the bottom of a well for a few weeks.

Even jon stewart pointed out that she had clearly 'stopped caring after the view'. I happened to see her on conan as well. she was a little more interesting/healthy looking there.

[mixel]

not sure if I'll see this movie or not, but if I do I have a feeling it'll be a rental. On seeing kirstin dunst naked, I feel if they were going to do it I'd want to make sure it's after she's had lunch. That lady is waaaaay to skinny... did anyone see her on the Daily show last week? She looks like she's been trapped at the bottom of a well for a few weeks.



The thing is, i have never really look at her as being sexy, I mean she is Mary Jane and all, but after this movie... wow. The only way i can put it is that she has the perfect ass. Completely not what i expected. its great.

[r3v]

not sure if I'll see this movie or not, but if I do I have a feeling it'll be a rental. On seeing kirstin dunst naked, I feel if they were going to do it I'd want to make sure it's after she's had lunch. That lady is waaaaay to skinny... did anyone see her on the Daily show last week? She looks like she's been trapped at the bottom of a well for a few weeks.I don't think she's all that. (I think they could have found a much better Mary Jane.) Frankly, she's a not missionary-friendly (i.e. bit of a butterface, imo - I know, I know.. I might be alone here) and if you're telling me the body's gone now too... I won't even go download the naked clip when it becomes available. Sadness.

Go Gwen Stacey.

[tokenuser]

The thing is, i have never really look at her as being sexy, I mean she is Mary Jane and all, but after this movie... wow. The only way i can put it is that she has the perfect ass. Completely not what i expected. its great.Are we sure it wasn't a body double?? Given how the rest of her looks at the moment, I can't picture her ass being that great ...

Review of the movie as copied unscrupulously from Laura Swishers BlogWatched "Marie Antoinette" this afternoon. I haven't been so bored by a movie in recent memory. Here's a synopsis: Kirsten Dunst may or may not get to have sex with Louis Auguste, her effete French husband, and heir to the throne of France. While not having sex, the burden of not having sex really weighs down on her and she drinks a lot of champagne, buys a lot of shoes and eats a lot of cake. There are many scenes of cake-eating and champagne-drinking. A lot of montages of Kirsten Dunst staring off, pensively. I forget if there was any dialogue at all.

[sugarsickness]

hahahhaha. Well, good thing I don't want to see it for the story ><

[satori]

she's a not missionary-friendly

I've never heard that expression, but it's hilarious. :D

[seumas]

Who can take anyone serious with a handle bar mustache and a head like Mac Tonight?...

When your testicles drop and you start growing hair in new places, you'll realize what a tool you sound like for calling a goatee a handlebar moustache. Who can take anyone serious who can't even find something remotely accurate to poke fun at about someone? Especially when they handed you a list of things on a platter? Padawan, you are not ready to insult on your own, yet.

Before leaving the nurserydrome, I'll leave you with this so you won't sound so idiotic next time you talk about facial hair.

Handlebar Moustache:
http://www.makeupmania.com/products/KA-0160-04-020.jpg

Goatee:
http://members.aol.com/Beardedmen/beard065.jpg

[burgerbob23]

Awsome I love going to movies to see boob

[ariastar]

Okay, as someone who has actually studied the history of Marie Antoinette more in depht than most of you here have studied computers, I can tell you that most of the film's individual scenes were accurate, though whether or not she had that affair is questionable. After Henry VIII's apparent love of ebheading adulterous wives, and with the love Marie had for her children, it's not likely that she did.

The scenery was beautiful, individual scenes were beautiful, but the plot was left out, many of the scenes did nothing to further the story, and Marie was not depicted as well as she could have been. What happened post-Versaille is far more important than before the family left.

Yes, she was a 14-year-old being used as a tool to unite two countries. She didn't even know how to read until shortly before she left Austria. Married to a daulphin who, for whatever reason, didn't have sex with her for seven years, she was pressured and blamed for her inability to excite her husband, as if it was all her fault. The daulphin's parents were dead, which is why his grandfather, who Marie was very close to, was king before him instead of his parents. She and her husband grew extremely fond of each other as well. But these two relationships were shown as nearly non-existent aside from that she was married. Her relationship with her husband's grandfather was left out entirely.

Marie was unable to drag Louis along with her to parties. He enjoyed eating and sleeping a bit much, and spent the night before his decapitation, knowing he was going to die, sleeping as usual.

She was not a bad person, rather one corrupted by being robbed of her childhood, pressured into producing a male heir as if it was as simple as snapping her fingers, and this was her sole purpose. Louis lacked a spine, so she played more prominent of a role than many would like to believe. If torn between allegience to the country of your birth and the country you were forced into, how do you decide whether to save the country where you live or the country of your family and childhood? This makes for a great reason why people not born in the US are not allowed to be president.

Coppola really should have focused more on what happened after the family left Versaille. She did a fantastic job of portraying the monotony of royal life during the day (wake up, be dressed, have a meal, repeat), but didn't do as well of a job at showing Marie's love of partying until sunrise every night, gambling (she almost always lost, yet was always shown ahead), and left out the relationship dynamics so important to what later happened. A lot less of her shopping and showing the family's imprisonment would be needed to even begin to claim that this is a must-see.



Very slow, seemed aimed more at the mainstream teenage audience than at people hoping to see more history, and a major disappointment for Coppola. This film was actually boo'd at Cannes.

I really wanted to love this movie and I always go to period films expecting that I will just love it. So I went in with no negative expectations, but rather a lot of excitement, and am just disappointed beyond words.

[burgerbob23]

What a ragin lesbian

[ariastar]

What a ragin lesbian

I'm in the Silicon Valley/Bay Area. It's more of an insult to be called straight. So your attempted insult means nothing.

[tokenuser]

The scenery was beautiful, individual scenes were beautiful, but the plot was left out, many of the scenes did nothing to further the story, and Marie was not depicted as well as she could have been. What happened post-Versaille is far more important than before the family left.I think you would love a trip to Versaille. Depite the fact parts of it were pretty much trashed during the revolution, it has been restored magnificently, and much of the royal chambers remained intact.

Marie's problem was that she (like all royalty of the time) was out of touch with the people. When the cost of a candle was the equivalent of an average citizens wages at the time, and the hal of mirrors was lit with thousands of candles each night, the excesses of the royal family were being thrown in the face of the people on a daily basis.

Her problem wasn't the french, it was the education she received from her mother in Austria. The Hapsbergs were statesmen, yet Marie was treated as little more than a potential breeding animal to unite two empires. With some education, she would have been a magnificent queen, and dominated Louis in the court.

BTW - View from the back door at Versaille ;)

http://www.cocolabs.com/gallery/albums/uploads/Card1Gx/normal_060817_0906a.jpg

[darksydeavenger]

Okay, as someone who has actually studied the history of Marie Antoinette more in depht than most of you here have studied computers, I can tell you that most of the film's individual scenes were accurate, though whether or not she had that affair is questionable. After Henry VIII's apparent love of ebheading adulterous wives, and with the love Marie had for her children, it's not likely that she did.

The scenery was beautiful, individual scenes were beautiful, but the plot was left out, many of the scenes did nothing to further the story, and Marie was not depicted as well as she could have been. What happened post-Versaille is far more important than before the family left.

Yes, she was a 14-year-old being used as a tool to unite two countries. She didn't even know how to read until shortly before she left Austria. Married to a daulphin who, for whatever reason, didn't have sex with her for seven years, she was pressured and blamed for her inability to excite her husband, as if it was all her fault. The daulphin's parents were dead, which is why his grandfather, who Marie was very close to, was king before him instead of his parents. She and her husband grew extremely fond of each other as well. But these two relationships were shown as nearly non-existent aside from that she was married. Her relationship with her husband's grandfather was left out entirely.

Marie was unable to drag Louis along with her to parties. He enjoyed eating and sleeping a bit much, and spent the night before his decapitation, knowing he was going to die, sleeping as usual.

She was not a bad person, rather one corrupted by being robbed of her childhood, pressured into producing a male heir as if it was as simple as snapping her fingers, and this was her sole purpose. Louis lacked a spine, so she played more prominent of a role than many would like to believe. If torn between allegience to the country of your birth and the country you were forced into, how do you decide whether to save the country where you live or the country of your family and childhood? This makes for a great reason why people not born in the US are not allowed to be president.

Coppola really should have focused more on what happened after the family left Versaille. She did a fantastic job of portraying the monotony of royal life during the day (wake up, be dressed, have a meal, repeat), but didn't do as well of a job at showing Marie's love of partying until sunrise every night, gambling (she almost always lost, yet was always shown ahead), and left out the relationship dynamics so important to what later happened. A lot less of her shopping and showing the family's imprisonment would be needed to even begin to claim that this is a must-see.



Very slow, seemed aimed more at the mainstream teenage audience than at people hoping to see more history, and a major disappointment for Coppola. This film was actually boo'd at Cannes.

I really wanted to love this movie and I always go to period films expecting that I will just love it. So I went in with no negative expectations, but rather a lot of excitement, and am just disappointed beyond words.


Hey, great review. I was thinking that this would be the case, in regards to Coppola's direction. Too bad, though. She isn't that bad of a director. It's just that she's not that great either. I don't know why some directors are still interested in the "day to day" type of movies, like Jarmusch, Coppola, etc. If I wanted to experience the day's activities of Marie Antoinette, I'd probably pick up a history book.

Eh, that's my nonsensical rant for the day.

[toastmstrgeneral]

http://www.cocolabs.com/gallery/albums/uploads/Card1Gx/normal_060817_0906a.jpg

I absolutely love that fountain and the entire story that's played out within it.

[jonathanlondon]

I absolutely love that fountain and the entire story that's played out within it.

I'm going to pee in that fountain one day. That is my dream.

[tokenuser]

I absolutely love that fountain and the entire story that's played out within it.Thats just one of the fountains there ... there are some great water features at Versaille ;)

[satori]

I'm going to pee in that fountain one day. That is my dream.

I thought you were a film maker... shouldn't you be filming yourself peeing in that fountain one day?

[ariastar]

Hey, great review. I was thinking that this would be the case, in regards to Coppola's direction. Too bad, though. She isn't that bad of a director. It's just that she's not that great either. I don't know why some directors are still interested in the "day to day" type of movies, like Jarmusch, Coppola, etc. If I wanted to experience the day's activities of Marie Antoinette, I'd probably pick up a history book.

Eh, that's my nonsensical rant for the day.


Thank you.

Marie's life is an interesting one, and, combined with the location and recent revival in interest, this could have been a fantastic film. Coppola just portrayed it more or less as Marie's day-to-day life.

[toastmstrgeneral]

Thats just one of the fountains there ... there are some great water features at Versaille ;)

Yes yes, I know, been there done that, you can't win all of these. The narrative within in that fountain is just great and makes it in my opinion the best one on the grounds, though the chariot rising from the pool is also quite cool.

[ariastar]

I think you would love a trip to Versaille. Depite the fact parts of it were pretty much trashed during the revolution, it has been restored magnificently, and much of the royal chambers remained intact.

Marie's problem was that she (like all royalty of the time) was out of touch with the people. When the cost of a candle was the equivalent of an average citizens wages at the time, and the hal of mirrors was lit with thousands of candles each night, the excesses of the royal family were being thrown in the face of the people on a daily basis.

Her problem wasn't the french, it was the education she received from her mother in Austria. The Hapsbergs were statesmen, yet Marie was treated as little more than a potential breeding animal to unite two empires. With some education, she would have been a magnificent queen, and dominated Louis in the court.

BTW - View from the back door at Versaille ;)

http://www.cocolabs.com/gallery/albums/uploads/Card1Gx/normal_060817_0906a.jpg



You are absolutely correct on this. It was only shortly before she left Austria that her mother realized Marie couldn't even read. She was mostly self-taught beyond basic reading, and kept isolated from the people. A candle would have seemed so minor for her when she was so used to luxurious silks. Basically she did the best she could though, with how she was raised, her exposure (and lack thereof) to real life for the citizens, and her lack of any true education. This does not pardon her actions and expensive tastes, but might shed a little light for some as to why she did what she did. She was a very loving person, as can be attested to the fact that she did all she could for her children, and always put them first.

And she NEVER said, "Let them eat cake." Cake, at the time, meant the stuff that baked over the edges of pans and accumulated on the inside of an over. That phrase would have meant, "Well, they can eat the crap that spills over the pans and burns. That's all they're worth."

I would love to see Versaille.

[tokenuser]

I would love to see Versaille.Versaille is magnificent, but then again, so is Paris. Until recently it was my favourite city in Europe (now its Barcelona or Venice depending on my mood). If you have any interest in history or art, Paris is the place to go - better than London, better than Rome (well, Vatcian City anyway), and better than Florence (although the Acadamie and Uffuzi are great too).

If the art is what gets you, I think the Getty Museum in LA is a great sampler for art from different periods in history.

If its all about history for you - then you have to go to Europe, and if you are on a tight time frame or budget, then an England/France (the French aren't as bad as people make out) trip is great.

Oh yeah - the "Let them eat cake" remark attributed to Marie?? I'd heard a similar thing, but wanted a reference to back me up ... this link (http://ask.yahoo.com/20021122.html) puts the quote in context.

[ariastar]

Versaille is magnificent, but then again, so is Paris. Until recently it was my favourite city in Europe (now its Barcelona or Venice depending on my mood). If you have any interest in history or art, Paris is the place to go - better than London, better than Rome (well, Vatcian City anyway), and better than Florence (although the Acadamie and Uffuzi are great too).

If the art is what gets you, I think the Getty Museum in LA is a great sampler for art from different periods in history.

If its all about history for you - then you have to go to Europe, and if you are on a tight time frame or budget, then an England/France (the French aren't as bad as people make out) trip is great.

What about if someone loves both history AND art? When I plan trips, they tend to be elaborate.

[tokenuser]

What about if someone loves both history AND art? When I plan trips, they tend to be elaborate.This is going to sound lame ... but over summer, my wife and I took at 4 week bus tour of Europe. By the end of it we were pretty much chuched, art, and historied out, but it was worth it (the Versaille pic was from the trip ... PM me if you would like a link to the ful photo gallery).

[ariastar]

This is going to sound lame ... but over summer, my wife and I took at 4 week bus tour of Europe. By the end of it we were pretty much chuched, art, and historied out, but it was worth it (the Versaille pic was from the trip ... PM me if you would like a link to the ful photo gallery).

Hell yeah, I want pics! PM on the way!