Episode 43 - "Tootie My Horn" [Archive]

trsjeff

01-15-2008, 08:41 PM

taozoo4u

01-15-2008, 08:46 PM

You're absolutely right. Realized when we finished that I had confused the DOA special character with SC. But, seriously, Spawn is even worse!

-Jeff

it's cool man :)

owlboy

01-15-2008, 08:55 PM

AMC also put out the awesome show "Hustle" you guys should check it out if you haven't and also "Remember WENN" which is one of my favorite show

About Don Draper = Batman/Bruce. I can kinda see it but for some reason I see him as Rex Tyler/Hourman II, I dunno why. Although as an interesting bit of trivia 'Draper' was the last name of one Robin's (Tim Drake's) code names : Alvin Draper.

As far as music, check out Lupe Fiasco

limeygeeza

01-15-2008, 09:28 PM

I'm so disappointed with Alex and Jeff you guys hated stuntman? for me stuntman ignition was one of the most overlooked games of the year and the first level was called "Aftershock" and the trailer made me actually want to see that movie that i just did all the stunts for.

I am in total agreement with you here, and have mentioned it in previous threads too.

One thing to realize in the game is that i's very hard to get 5, 4 or even 3 stars on your first play through on a level. Just go for that 1 or 2 stars finish it off and come back for more later. Also I don't think Jeff or Alex 'got it' as I myself didn't get it at first - the key to the game and where the differences come in (as in its not the same every time) is that to get the 5 stars - you have to string your stunts, which can be done anyway you like, drive close to this, jump here, drift there etc. And then you have to hit your marks.

I think one of the reasons Dan likes it so much (and maybe you and I) is it has a very 'movie' feel to it - with the directer etc, the awards you win and of course the final payout of the trailers.

Maybe you just have to be a certain type of person to enjoy this game to it's fullest.

stranger_danger

01-15-2008, 09:33 PM

Man. You guys are outside playing putt putt in t-shirts while I'm stuck in Minnesota, scared to go outside with anything less than all my clothes on.

I think instead of Darth Vader being in Soul Calibur, the Death Star should be a character. My Soul Calibur skills have degraded, and I'd be a much more effective opponent if I could just blow up the plant that my enemy is on.

eddielee

01-15-2008, 09:42 PM

Opening was so funny!

frankiethewaffle

01-15-2008, 09:43 PM

The opening, I recognized but could not get. Not till the music set in did I target the scene.

One thing I have to say is how Dan mentioned points in time when there were Student film grads (Coppola, Scorsese, Spielberg and such), to the current Mexican trend. Dan you as a film student and director. You have to expand on that. For those like me that like to read too far into things. Either on totallyradshow.com, these forums, or your MySpace, explain that path. Or direct us to a wikipedia area that categorizes those moments in film making. It would make it much easier to find movies I would be interested in. New and old. What are those moments, from what you mentioned, from the early 80s till now, that define trends from directors.

Wow, the last time I played Putt-Putt golf was about 15 years ago. It was fun. I hit holes in one that should not have been hit. It is all in the angles. Don't know if I won among the people I was with because of one of my brothers, on the last hole. Instead of putting uphill, hit a drive that launched about 150 yards and hit a boat. A real boat. With people sailing and did not find it nearly as funny. We were booted.

In another way I kind of agree with all of you. Except Alex. I am pretty sure he has a much bigger understanding of music than I do. It is not a big part of my life. I like 80's and early 90's rock. I like the Sinatra era stuff. My tastes are eclectic. I just don't GET music. Like I could never create or perform it.

Great show. Good and long.

lrsk

01-15-2008, 09:50 PM

Man this forum is getting huge. just over 600 people in here when I logged in. So proud of your success...so proud... :)

hipnotyq

01-15-2008, 09:53 PM

great episode guys

guagloves

01-15-2008, 09:59 PM

I think instead of Darth Vader being in Soul Calibur, the Death Star should be a character. My Soul Calibur skills have degraded, and I'd be a much more effective opponent if I could just blow up the plant that my enemy is on.

That... would be freaking awesome.

nobodysleeps

01-15-2008, 10:15 PM

Good to see that you guys are taking suggestions from viewers on things that you guys should watch to review.

Hopefully you guys will be able to get to The Wire (watch at least a whole season on this, I really mean it. 4 eps won't cut it because it really is a slow burn where every little piece comes in at the end)

Thieves and Kings comic

Bang! card game.

Get to it, guys!

theinevitable

01-15-2008, 10:19 PM

Danny T totally surprised me with his music likes, especially Whippersnapper.

maynza

01-15-2008, 10:42 PM

You're absolutely right. Realized when we finished that I had confused the DOA special character with SC. But, seriously, Spawn is even worse!

-Jeff

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

eddielee

01-15-2008, 10:43 PM

Great episode! The TV segment was the best part this week...

I must say that I was NOT one of those people who recommended Dexter, but I will not look into it, it seems like a show I'd like. Madmen.. I just know I won't enjoy this show, everything they mentioned was uninteresting. Jeff, great job on catching up on Journeyman! It really is an amazing show, and I hope it doesn't get cut..

trsjeff

01-15-2008, 10:48 PM

Bang! card game.

Get to it, guys!

We haven't mentioned it on the show yet, but we did play Bang!

Good fun :)

-Jeff

joymarie

01-15-2008, 10:56 PM

Oh my, I wasn't prepared for this weeks trs... Jeff in women's clothing... Dan's sweet, sweet dance moves... and all within the first 2 minutes. Too much guys :D

I'm so glad you guys reviewed The Orphanage. I had heard some buzz about it awhile ago, but when I heard it was a foreign film AND a scary movie I decided not to see it. Now you've changed my mind.

gm_wil

01-15-2008, 10:59 PM

awesome show fellas...Dan's dance had me bustin...

Jeff - yer love and passion for star wars = right there with ya man.

the golf was a bonus...steve - throw the camera on the tripod and jump in at least for one shot or something - sheesh!

(how many shirts ya have to go through for the ketchup take?)

-

neverendingwhitelights

01-15-2008, 11:03 PM

I can understand why you guys don't do a music segment now. Makes me wish I could do my own vidcast about it, but I lack connections and my knowledgability does not extend far enough to do it myself.

riverron

01-15-2008, 11:07 PM

Really Jumper? Most excited for?

Come on Dan

This looks like another Covenant movie.

Not in the sense that it is like the Covenant but

more in the sense it looks cool but it's going to suck

I agree with Jeff whole heartedly

Not my cup of tea ;)

hadiz

01-15-2008, 11:34 PM

Jeff, way to go mentioning the Extras Christmas special. I wish you guys could've given it more exposure but at least it was on there. Extras is a hilarious series for anyone that hasn't seen it. It transcends British comedy which I don't particularly care for, and Gervais and Merchant are writing geniuses. I love the serious direction they took the Christmas special in; I guess they wanted to prove they are versatile when it comes to writing and can write more than comedy. I love the way they turned the whole pursuit of fame and our obsession with celebrities on its head.

For anyone that hasn't seen it, I would absolutely recommend it. You could probably understand what's going on without having seen the first two seasons (which are hilarious and only 6 episodes each) but if at all possible try to watch those as well.

serenity

01-15-2008, 11:49 PM

Loved the intro!!

So glad we agree on The Orphanage. It is now in my "Top movies" list.

I smiled all through Putt-Putt golf. :)

AND THEN!

You all broke my heart. :(

One of the things Dan hates (The lack of explanation as to why he is the way he is) comes out slowly over the episodes and I assure you it feels more "researched" later on. You are missing a LOT!
(I am still watching you guys as I type so I just noticed Jeff told you this)

Honestly, everything you are saying as I listen now is explained. (Including his emotions)

**now Jeff just broke my heart!**

Jeff! Dexter <deleted as it was said in playful *Rawriness* but I feel bad even teasing Jeff about it> The Shield! There, I said it!
Oh ok, I haven't watched The Shield yet and I promised to do so if you watched Dexter. So I will.
Still, I am so sad you all didn't love the show. Completely surprised as well. I never, ever thought even one of you wouldn't be delighted by it.

I agree btw, I never thought of it as a superhero show but you are SO right.

Alex, I don't even have you on my side.
*sniff

I love you guys but now I shed a tear for the lack of Dexter love.

<3

Edit: Dan did the high pitched voice in the out takes this time! Yay, I loved it you cracked me up!

artofwar420

01-15-2008, 11:50 PM

As always I love love love love the intro scenes, and WOW over 800 people in the forums!

logant

01-15-2008, 11:51 PM

I'm really saddened you guys didn't like Dexter. I was so convinced you guys would be drooling over the shear radness of it. I think you should ignore what everyone says and watch season 2. The whole season is based around Dexter and no one else, you really learn a lot about him. This show to me is equal with The Shield.

trsjeff

01-16-2008, 12:01 AM

Loved the intro!!

So glad we agree on The Orphanage. It is now in my "Top movies" list.

I smiled all through Putt-Putt golf. :)

AND THEN!

You all broke my heart. :(

**now Jeff just broke my heart!**

J
I love you guys but now I shed a tear for the lack of Dexter love.

<3

Oh, Serenity, I almost PM'd you to say not to watch this week.

We talked after the taping about how you were going to take it :)

Sorry to disappoint. Maybe the show was just built up too much for us?

-Jeff

serenity

01-16-2008, 12:11 AM

Oh, Serenity, I almost PM'd you to say not to watch this week.

We talked after the taping about how you were going to take it :)

Sorry to disappoint. Maybe the show was just built up too much for us?

-Jeff

*sniff
(pathetic puppy dog eyes)

You know what would help me feel better? A live TRS show in Ft Lauderdale, Florida! :D

Nah, it's ok, Jeff. Everyone can't like the same things. It honestly just did not occur to me at all that you three would feel that way. I wasn't prepared for the shock! I can't explain why I love Dexter so much because I'm not eloquent that way and so that stinks that I can't even "defend" it.

You might feel the same if I told you I really don't like Wes Anderson movies . Which I don't. They are just so uncomfortable!
You know how it feels to love something so much that you want to share its beauty with your friends and your friends say, "Meh"?

I also feel kind of bad that I hyped it up so much and you guys didn't really enjoy it. :(
Sorry!

yssman

01-16-2008, 12:11 AM

Great show as always fellow men of gentry!

Jeff, Alex, you guys can't be that old... I'm "only" 21 and I listen to NPR most of the day. Blame it on the Poli Sci courses at school, the fact that there is a primary going on (well, today actually), or whatever. Nothing wrong with it, and in all honesty, I think NPR has some of the most entertaining shows on in the afternoon... Much better than daytime TV.

Looking forward to the Cloverfield reviews next week (right? RIGHT?), and I hope that if you can give Dexter a shot, maybe sometime in the future you can dust off the ol' Top Gear on BBC America. Seriously guys, BEST SHOW EVAH!

Even NBC is looking to copy Top Gear, but it won't be the same without Jezza, Hamster, and Captain Slow... (http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/15/nbc-working-on-top-gear-remake-for-the-states/)

chard1942

01-16-2008, 12:47 AM

tectec

01-16-2008, 01:03 AM

First off, I loved the intro to the show!

I'm glad you all enjoyed The Orphanage as much as I thought you would. Its definitely one of those movies people HAVE to see. Shot beautifully. Excellent Story. And like you guys said......creepy kids!

I'm surprised you didn't like Dexter but I'm not disappointed. We definitely overhyped it with our attempts to get you guys to check it out. Big ups to you guys for giving it a shot. I found out the other day that they shot quite a bit of it in Long Beach too.

I was totally stoked when Dan mentioned listening to Saves The Day. They're still one of my top 3 bands and every new album they come out with is another step closer to conquering the world of music.

Jeff, do you listen to any other talk radio aside from NPR stuff? KFI? KLSX?

my totally rad customized scientificically calculated music recommendations for the TRS guys:

Jeff: The Hush Sound
http://myspace.com/thehushsound

Alex: Everybody Else
http://www.myspace.com/everybodyelse

Dan: Vampire Weekend
http://www.myspace.com/vampireweekend

and I just couldn't leave Steve out!

Steve: Datarock
http://myspace.com/datarock

Thanks for another excellent show dudes.

diane

01-16-2008, 01:21 AM

I love you guys! The kid now wants to see the movie from the intro. And the kid has demanded we play Soul Calibur. Jeff's excitement was very contagious. I was also so glad to hear love for Prince. I grew up on Prince and David Bowie always being played in the house. Prince is such a staple in my Podcast. And NPR! As a loyal member of 90.3 WCPN I was happy to hear them get love too. It's just not a morning without Marketplace (I am so old).

Oh, and just be prepared, the kid has made it his mission to hunt you guys down at Comic-Con. So if all of a sudden you have arms wrap around you from nowhere and they are midget height, it's just Anakin, so don't panic.

MaxTheSilent

01-16-2008, 01:53 AM

Danny, I could almost kiss you for name-checking Yanni.

I've long-suffered derisive sneers when I name Yanni as possibly my favourite musician. To the point where I just don't mention him when people ask me what music I like. I also love heavy metal, which to some people is tantamount to telling them you have leprosy.

Anyone who listens to or enjoys film scores will love Yanni. It's just beautiful orchestral music as good as any of your favourite pieces of film score.

Recommended listening: The 'Live at the Acropolis' album is sublime, as is the live 'Tribute' double-album.

His studio albums can sound a little 'canned' with too much synthesised sounds, but with a full 80-piece orchestra playing his music is often over-poweringly emotional.

My favourite individual Yanni track: 'One Man's Dream'. It's my theme song.

jokerthief

01-16-2008, 02:19 AM

I think we did to the guys, regarding Dexter, what they did to me regarding No Country For Old Men. I probably would have really liked that movie if I wasn't expecting to see a masterpiece. Because I was expecting so much, all the flaws of the movie stuck out profoundly. Had I seen it with no hype, I probably would have been able to over look those flaws or maybe not even notice them at all. I got the sense that perhaps that was their problem with Dexter. When I go back and think about it, it took me a while to warm to the show and there are some definite flaws. As Jeff mentioned, the other actors are not that strong. I think this is off balanced by the brilliance of Michael C Hall however. I really can't stand Deb, Dex's sister but I don't think it's the actresses' fault -- she's a badly written character.

The thing about Dexter is that you really don't get to know him really well until the second season. It's not until then that the show really becomes an existential story. The emotionless Dexter starts to develop emotions and deep dark conflicts result. Season one just lays the background for the much more psychological season 2. Thinking back, I'm not all that sure that I was blown away by season one. Getting inside the ever growing confusion that develops inside Dexter's head in the second season is where the real brilliance of that show lies. Dexter is not emotionless, and never was. We learn that in season 2.

gojira

01-16-2008, 02:20 AM

I really want to see The Orphanage, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to before it comes out on DVD. I hope so, there is a theater kinda close. But I don't drive and my girlfriend isn't familiar with the area, so I may have to wait.

Star Wars characters in Soul Calibur 4 - If I owned a ps3 or xbox I'd be slightly more interested in the game. I'm not a big fan of the fighting genre, but I did partake in SC2 because of Link. I'm a bigger Nintendo fan than I am a Star Wars fan, so Vader and/or Yoda don't turn the game into an insta-buy for me. If I was a Xbox only person, I would be pissed for not getting Vader. Because as much as I like Yoda in the movies, Vader is 1000 times more badass when it comes to fighting.

Music - I'm a member of mpr (minnesota public radio) and listen to it quite often. I also tend to listen to a lot of podcasts (IGN's Wii-k in Review, 1up yours, Twit). That stuff is all free while a lot of music isn't, so that may be why I'm not into music like I used to be. But I'll note that my favorite band is garbage.

logant

01-16-2008, 02:24 AM

Yeah, if you're up to it I really think you should watch season 2.

neverendingwhitelights

01-16-2008, 03:13 AM

I just had a thought, we could do a Rad Music Review thread where everyone can feel free to add their thoughts on new albums or ones they're just discovering. Anyone else think that would be cool?

cashoutcurse

01-16-2008, 03:20 AM

AMC also put out the awesome show "Hustle" you guys should check it out if you haven't and also "Remember WENN" which is one of my favorite show

Yes, "Hustle" is great.

So glad Dan got you guys to watch Mad Men. It was definitely the best new show to air in 2007 by far and I'm so pumped it got renewed for a second season. Very shocked you didn't like it Jeff, especially since you mentioned you liked The Sopranos. I had been describing it to my friends much like Dan described it in the episode. Just like how in The Sopranos they captured the world of "mob life" it seems Mad Men is a whole other world to explore; just translated into a different time and a different place.

hepcat

01-16-2008, 03:21 AM

Loved, LOVED* the opening. But I have to ask one thing? Where's the footage of Dan trying to walk on the toes of his shoes? It has to exist. There's no way you could do that scene and not at least attempt it.

The email question tied back to the open for me, because movie score wise, I can't get enough of the Pee Wee score. Every time I flip past it on Cinemagic (XM Channel 27?), I stop and turn it up. Always puts me in the best mood.

Lastly. Jeff - I share your love of the Purple One, so I have to ask Batman sountrack: Yea or Nea????

* sorry was that a Dan-ism? It's all good though. I'm finding more Rad lingo working it's way into my vocab list.

d3isme

01-16-2008, 03:26 AM

Great show.

In particular this is a fan letter for Steve. You had me in stitches today with your great annotations !!

Also, thanks for sharing your music interests guys. I think the reason people ask you to do a music section is that those of us that have eclectic tastes appreciate your honest evaluations of such a wide range of genres within other media and it would be nice to have a music review that does that (haven't found a good North American one yet - if anyone has recommendations that would be good).

My feeling is that all music is soundtrack - for the individual who choses to listen to it. Some days I need The Battle of Helm's Deep and some days are Walking on Sunshine. Whatever works!

Today got perked up with a little shot of Tequila Thanks so much guys!

serenity

01-16-2008, 03:37 AM

Yeah, with all the tears over Dexter I forgot to tell Steve I loved the glowy dust! Haha, I was wondering, "What the hell is that stuff at Alex's crotch?!" and then he explained. It was like a nice little surprise. :D

I wonder what Steve thought of Dexter, if he watched it.

Do I have one ally? <3

Below me -
I liked S2 more but opposite of what you said, I actually love the supporting cast. I thought the casting was great but I think I appreciated them more after the first season was over and I got to season 2.

Yessss! I love the cast, though I think Michael C. Hall is above and beyond the best actor there. I like Deb a lot too, I wonder why people don't really get into her. I can understand people getting annoyed with her story lines because they take away from Dexter but I like them. Then again, I am a woman so... :)

aaronsaund

01-16-2008, 03:37 AM

I am so surprised you two didn't like Dexter! Hopefully all three of you will continue to watch and we will get to hear more of what you think about the show.

I liked S2 more but opposite of what you said, I actually love the supporting cast. I thought the casting was great but I think I appreciated them more after the first season was over and I got to season 2.

I remember I couldn't stand the LT at all but I enjoy her character more now because she has changed. The chemistry between Doakes and Dexter is also funny. Dan needs to watch more episodes :(

johnyc252

01-16-2008, 03:42 AM

Regarding Dexter, I wasn't too sure about it when it first came out either but the end of the first season really sets up a fantastic second season. For the most part, I believe that the first season is really just laying out the back story, it's natural for that to become a little stale after awhile. The thing I really enjoy about it is the psychological aspects of "a cold blooded killer with a heart of gold" Dexter was put through some very trying times as a young child and his step father's upbringing really didn't help. In the second season he starts to explore this and he is able to come to terms with who he is and what he believes instead of what his father told him to believe. I strongly urge people to keep watching after the first season because it really picks up. I do understand the over hyping of the topic though, I did that to a friend of mine with Always Sunny In Philadelphia and he hates it now. Anyway, love the show even if you don't like Dexter hehe, to each his own.

ant-niak-

01-16-2008, 03:55 AM

And meet as one on the stage of history! Okay, I just watched the Soul Caliber IV trailer. I'm going to have to say, it got me excited after I saw Vader and Yoda. I always loved the Soul Caliber series anyway, it's an amazing fighting game. I can't even imagine a Vader Vs. Mitsurugi battle!

amal8301

01-16-2008, 04:05 AM

Dude that's awesome you guys like MUSE!!!
I have seen them twice in the past two years, and yes that are the best live band out there today.:cool:

moneytime

01-16-2008, 04:51 AM

Hysterical opening, gentlemen. Standing ovation to Dan especially! ROFL! :D
jeff, I couldn't figure out why the fuck you owned such a ridiculous shirt, then at the end you mention that it was a womans shirt...ok. So, is that significant to the scene, or did you just have no clean clothes and had to borrow your girlfriends shirt? (it did look a little tight in the arms!) HaHa! lol! :eek:

I would be stoked to see some kind of music review on the show also! :)

vash

01-16-2008, 05:31 AM

Wow Jeff blew my mind when he mentioned The Decemberists. I can't get any of my friends to get into them but I do think they are rad.

blacksymbiote

01-16-2008, 06:22 AM

First I need to say this:

Dan, I love So You Think You Can Dance! They are all so talented and it's just so entertaining to see all the music numbers!

As for Vader and Yoda in SCIV... wouldn't their lightsabers just go straight through any of the swords the other people counter with? I can't see how this could ever work... although Vader looks amazing!

I was definitely a little sad you guys didn't like Dexter. But from what Jeff has said that The Shield is THAT much better... makes me want to watch The Shield MORE THAN EVER! But don't worry Serenity, I'm with you that Dexter is amazing!

filmcub

01-16-2008, 08:08 AM

Great show.

In particular this is a fan letter for Steve. You had me in stitches today with your great annotations !!

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed them :D

I wonder what Steve thought of Dexter, if he watched it.

Do I have one ally? <3

I watched Dexter Season 1 and 2. After watching Season 1, I kinda felt the same way the guys did which is why is everyone going ape poop over this show? It was a good show, but had lots of problems (which the guys picked up on). Then I watched the second season, and I think I liked it a bit more. It still has lots of flaws (casting, bad video shots, Dexter saying he is emotionless but all he does is act on his emotions, etc.) but I liked the story arc of the second season WAY more. I thought the tension was much higher, and you got to connect with the characters much better. It almost seemed like that should have been the first season.

I'll definitely keep it on my watch list, I'm very curious to see where they take it from here.

shegs

01-16-2008, 11:16 AM

first, I had a roomie that bought IBuyPower pc a few years back... he spent a hefty penny on it and with-in a month the mobo died. to do our troubleshooting we opened it up and cross tested various components out of my completely working self-built machine. it did take a while to get an answer/reply and it was always the same indian guy that answered making us think they didn't have much of a customer care line. long storie short we were still able to send it in for service and they changed out the mobo for us. I reccomend looking for a warranty sticker along a seem of your case. if there isnt one go in and find the problem, it might just make the process of replacing it that much easier/faster if they already know what is wrong and you spell out exactly what you need to get done to your system.

next, Dexter season one had it's ups and downs. I was even hesitant about watching season 2 but seriously the tension and the interesting ways he does what he does in season 2 make it worth watching. I dont agree with the previous statement about season 2 should have been season 1 because I think this season needed the setup from the first season to be successful. it still has alot of the cheesy lines (but they fit better) and odd shot decisions but the overall feeling after the season is one of finality. I highly reccomend trudging through season 1 and then completely enjoying season 2.

serenity

01-16-2008, 11:47 AM

I watched Dexter Season 1 and 2. After watching Season 1, I kinda felt the same way the guys did which is why is everyone going ape poop over this show? It was a good show, but had lots of problems (which the guys picked up on). Then I watched the second season, and I think I liked it a bit more. It still has lots of flaws (casting, bad video shots, Dexter saying he is emotionless but all he does is act on his emotions, etc.) but I liked the story arc of the second season WAY more. I thought the tension was much higher, and you got to connect with the characters much better. It almost seemed like that should have been the first season.

I'll definitely keep it on my watch list, I'm very curious to see where they take it from here.

That's a little better, thank you Steve!
I think the point about Dexter's emotions is he thinks he has none but it's obvious he does - he just can't access them or understand what they mean when he does feel them. I think that's common in Sociopaths but I could be wrong. Am I crazy for loving the casting? Oh well.

Thanks to blacksymbiote for being on my side! :D

themuffinman

01-16-2008, 12:31 PM

oh man I hope the Christmas special of Extras is not just relegated to just a shout out on the show and that it will be on next weeks TV segment. (crosses fingers)

anyways, great show, the put-put segment was awesome, and I agree w/ Jeff that SC4 is a must buy now. (BTW I CANNOT believe that Steve dug up those images of the Starwars stuff that Alex was talking about)

wideawakewesley

01-16-2008, 01:45 PM

Can I second the comments about your work this week Steve, definitely one of your best.

Great show though guys, even if you didn't like Dexter, and Jeff, I agree that Dexter is not as good as The Shield, which my wife and I are now onto the 3rd season of, but I do love them both.

Now when are you guys going to get around to watching and discussing some more of the UK shows (especially the one's I gave you)?

;)

Wes

beautiful-nightmare

01-16-2008, 02:25 PM

Good show guys :)

So.. Alex said that his girlfriend Heather listens to a lot of music, and likes making mix cds for people.. maybe she could make a mix cd for the show every week/every other week or something? Maybe there'd be a way you could put it on the site, or just a list of it so people could find the music themselves? I think that'd be pretty cool, if she would be up to that.

deegraww

01-16-2008, 02:44 PM

I watched Dexter Season 1 and 2. After watching Season 1, I kinda felt the same way the guys did which is why is everyone going ape poop over this show? It was a good show, but had lots of problems (which the guys picked up on). Then I watched the second season, and I think I liked it a bit more. It still has lots of flaws (casting, bad video shots, Dexter saying he is emotionless but all he does is act on his emotions, etc.) but I liked the story arc of the second season WAY more. I thought the tension was much higher, and you got to connect with the characters much better. It almost seemed like that should have been the first season.

I'll definitely keep it on my watch list, I'm very curious to see where they take it from here.

If you've gone through and watched those episodes go out and read the books, they are so much better than the show. They are just amazing.

mrpopular

01-16-2008, 02:56 PM

Great show, Great intro..

It's cool that you didn't enjoy Dexter. I feel the same flaws as the guys, my only thought was maybe there expectations were high seeing how the community wasn't ranting & raving about it. It's just a fun show.

s1lentslayer

01-16-2008, 03:03 PM

I think maybe Jeff liked Dexter more than he let on considering he watched the whole first season. Or maybe it's just wishful thinking. Season 2 blows season 1 out of the water though so if you're bored Jeff, definitely check out Season 2. I could see Dan not liking it but Alex should continue through the end of the season.

I also am in the camp that thinks we probably built it up too much.

geekdw

01-16-2008, 04:04 PM

I was kind of disappointed with the diggnation this week as far as length and sobriety, but trs made up for it!

serpico007

01-16-2008, 05:58 PM

This is going to be another WTF response to Dexter. :)

I really can't believe you guys didn't like Dexter. The characters are awesome and so real with Deb and Doakes cussing, for example. It adds to the show something that we are not used to on cable tv. Just like Sopranos did. Cable tv shows are SO much alike, I feel like that there is one guy writing the scripts for these law/kidnapping/murder tv shows for all the networks.

Watching a few episodes does not give you a full representation of Dexter. You need to watch both seasons too. When I started watching it, I didn't know I would like it or my wife. But we totally got into it. Give it another try.

Mad Men is such a nice fresh show that reminds us of how the world was without rules. Women may not like it for the 'macho man' stuff. Drinking and smoking everywhere, not like today where you get weird looks for things that used to be fine unless you're in Vegas. You got women running to their managers or union rep as soon as 'sexual harassment' enters the work environment. My friend's mother was one of these 60's ladies, the curvy executive assistant type, and when she was patted on the butt, she simply told her boss she was uncomfortable with the issue and that was that. You can't argue that today's generation of women, are really hurting all of what women have worked so hard to change from this time in history to be equal.

Please don't hate on me for my statements, my point is that the world we live in has so many rules that some days it's hard to breathe. Mad Men is so refreshing to see how we used to be, good or bad, but still entertaining.

taozoo4u

01-16-2008, 06:16 PM

guys, because i couldn't find my own words to describe how much i love this episode i decided to do it like this.

for the episode as a whole:
this was a triumph! I'm making a note *here* huge success! it's hard to over state my satisfaction.

for Jeff and Alex's opinion on Stuntman:
I'm not even angry, I'm being so sincere right now, Even though you broke my heart and killed me, And tore me to pieces, And threw every piece into a fire.

skankzardi

01-16-2008, 06:38 PM

Awesome show guys. Totally agree with you guys on Dexter, never really got into it. Also, Dan totally cool that your still into Saves the Day, great band. Anyway you guys rock and looking forward to a live Los Angeles show...please!

cooljammer00

01-16-2008, 10:37 PM

Here's the thing about Dexter. I totally agree with most of what you guys said about it. Dexter is not a good show, at first. But, it gets better as it goes along. It can ONLY get better, since it is such a terrible show at the beginning. Season Two is pretty rad, if I may say so myself.

Definition of a serial killer? You need to see Season two for that to be explained. The show gets so much more interesting once Dexter is taken out of his element. Impotent Dexter is awesome.

I willed myself to watch the show, cause people i knew loved the show so much. Just give it a chance. Maybe just Jeff, as he's already seen season one in its entirety.

One thing I can't say I enjoy is the dialogue. It always feels forced with all the cussing, cause nobody cusses like that. It doesn't make the characters "realer", and the recent news that Dexter is going to be put on network tv brings this point up well. The show will be edited more for time constraints than content. Apparently, when the show was originally filmed, the actors had alternate, pg-13 lines that could be said on Network TV. Looks like when the show got picked up for cable, they went nuts with the cursing.

edit: also, forgot to mention. the characters get better in season two. i think the cursing is toned down, and interest factor is turned up. Deb and her stroke-mouth is also sort of fixed too.

stranger_danger

01-16-2008, 10:53 PM

It seems to be the consensus here that the first season of Dexter isn't very good. Almost all the fans are agreeing with the complaints Jeff, Dan, and Alex had with it, and saying it gets better in the second season. Spending an entire season only laying down back story doesn't sound like good writing or like it would be entertaining. I can't imagine sitting through that much just so I could enjoy the second season. What made any of you feel it was worth it?

On a maybe sort of related note, I thought the first season of Studio 60 had excellent writing. That ended up getting canceled. Not fair. :(

serenity

01-16-2008, 11:04 PM

It seems to be the consensus here that the first season of Dexter isn't very good. Almost all the fans are agreeing with the complaints Jeff, Dan, and Alex had with it, and saying it gets better in the second season. Spending an entire season only laying down back story doesn't sound like good writing or like it would be entertaining. I can't imagine sitting through that much just so I could enjoy the second season. What made any of you feel it was worth it?(

I loved it from episode 1. I don't know about everyone else. :)

stranger_danger

01-16-2008, 11:12 PM

Honestly, everything you are saying as I listen now is explained. (Including his emotions)

Is it explained throughout the first season, or do you have to wait for the second season?

serenity

01-16-2008, 11:23 PM

Is it explained throughout the first season, or do you have to wait for the second season?

It's both. :P

j5onfield

01-16-2008, 11:25 PM

Dexter season one hooked me right away.
It was the shield that took a while for me to warm up to. Maybe its just not for everyone
(cbs will air the show because of its popularity)(+ the show topped showtimes rating)
If your not drawn in right away your less likily to over-look the season one flaws.
Im sticking to my opinion of Dexter being a masterpiece.

The theory of thinking you guys had to high of expectations may have merit.

Loved the ep. Funny as hell intro :)

lnknpk04

01-17-2008, 12:52 AM

Dexter first showed up on my radar, believe it or not, before it even aired, when it was being advertised on the www.twit.tv homepage. I was immediately hooked and LOVE the show. Granted, I still haven't gotten to see season 2, I am now in a place where I can try to get these episodes and catch up. Maybe it was all the hype that led to you guys ultimately feeling let down. I think its good tv.

crassius

01-17-2008, 01:08 AM

Great show.

I also spend much of my radio listening time listening to public radio (we happen to have 3 different stations in Minnesota which is pretty rad). One thing I do want to bring to yours and other people's attention is the Sound Opinions radio show put out by Chicago Public Radio. You can subscribe to it through iTunes or their website. It is by far one of the most interesting and well thought-out shows that reviews and discusses music. They also have on interesting guests, including recently Tori Amos and The New Pornographers.

snippit

01-17-2008, 01:10 AM

Hey everyone, I don't know if anyone else agrees with me, but I have the same "ecclectic" taste in music as Jeff does, I think a music section would still be a great idea. I don't watch foreign films from Mexico either, but it was still reviewed, and I didn't have any problem with it.

beautiful-nightmare

01-17-2008, 02:11 AM

I really want to see The Orphanage.. but its not in my theater :/ I hope it turns up.. then I'd just have to convince someone to see it with me..

beautiful-nightmare

01-17-2008, 02:49 AM

So.. I just saw a commercial saying that Dexter is premiering on CBS on Sunday, which is cool, cause I didn't think I'd get to see it, I hope I like it :p

northstar

01-17-2008, 06:04 AM

Glad one of u guys finally came back to Journey Man. It is a great show, I hope it come's back.

magunwarrior

01-17-2008, 08:53 AM

damnedeyez

01-17-2008, 09:20 AM

I quite enjoyed Stuntman: Ignition, sure you have to try the same thing over and over till you finally get it, but I guess I get a certain satisfaction from completing a scene successfully...maybe it's just me.

They do need a 'dry run' to start with so you have an idea what's going on...

...and like I mentioned in the Stuntman: Ignition thread...you don't have to hit all of the marks to get 5 stars...just string together stunts and not miss 5 of the marks.

sigmaecho

01-17-2008, 01:46 PM

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dignan17

01-17-2008, 02:03 PM

That's a little better, thank you Steve!
I think the point about Dexter's emotions is he thinks he has none but it's obvious he does - he just can't access them or understand what they mean when he does feel them.
I think this was a general change they needed to make for the show, since it's harder to get inside his head like you do in the books. Because of that, I think they needed some way to make Dexter more of someone you could root for, because I think if you could only see Dexter from the books from the outside, you probably wouldn't like him.

I don't think the books are better than the show. I think they're different. The show is based a little more in reality, I think (especially once you get to the third book, which is a little silly at times).

I just had this feeling that the TRS guys wouldn't like the show. I'm glad Jeff put in the time to watch the whole season, though. That shows some commitment to the fans :)

j5onfield

01-17-2008, 02:07 PM

Ya, Jeffs awesome/rad for watching the full dex s1. He tried to like it and it just wasn't his thing. I can relate to that.

randomlyrossy

01-17-2008, 02:39 PM

I was really shocked you guys didn't love Dexter. I've yet to hear of anyone I know watching it and not loving it. It slows down a bit at first but once the 2nd half of the first season kicks it I was absolutely hooked and often watched about 3 eps in a row cause I just had to see more.

Personally I think it's wonderfully cast and really well written. I also quite liked the way it looked, I never had any problem with that. It's a much more ensemble piece than i think alot of people give it credit for. There's so many little character pieces going on throughout the season, like Angels problems dealing with his marriage breakup to Debs attempts to prove herself in Homicide.

I think Alex and Dan should try and give it more than 4 eps, cause really you can't gauge it on that, I actually didn't get back round to watching it after about the same amount of eps, and regretted it because when I picked it up again it was just awesome.

Other than my sadness at the lack of Dexter love, thought the show was great. I think music is a bit too broad a subject for you guys to be doing a segment about, so glad you don't plan to. Nice of you to share some of your faves though.

I played the demo for Stuntman on 360, it did infuriate me a bit, but I really liked the style of it, and do plan to pick it up on the cheap at some point.

Also have to agree, awesome work on this weeks show Steve, I genuinely laughed out loud on a few occasions thanks to your additions.

zogbot

01-17-2008, 04:36 PM

I LOVED UT3!!!!

But then i played it from a PC... ive yet to get a PS3.

...and DAMN your 8800GTX Splooded?!

Jeff:
What PSU/Mob combo are you using?
It could be a short in the unit or an overvoltage error in the bios of your machine.

Ive always build my PC's, mainly because i can get the parts cheaper online and independently placed underwarranty, so if something goos boom i just get a replacement for that part, instead of having to send the whole system off.

Oh what Quad core did you get? a Kentsfield core or the newer Penryn?

PLEASE tell me you didnt get a phenom!

fxt107

01-17-2008, 06:30 PM

The last machine I purchased was from a company very similar to IBuyPower called Internet ishop. I had very similar issues. Eventually got my machine, but the company went out of business soon after.

I am looking to get a new machine and was considering of of these "cool" boutique shops featured in the likes of Maximum PC and CPU Magazine but thanks to Jeff bringing attention to it, I wonder how reputable these companies are and how much care they take in putting together the system.

I've seen Alex is a fan of Falcon Northwest. I am considering that, Velocity Micro, Alienware, etc. The bigger companies. I've noticed that most of the boutique shops in those magazines offer great prices but are usually very weak in some area.

Are the premium prices worth the cost from companies like FN, Voodoo, etc.?

nextgenxbox

01-17-2008, 07:55 PM

The intro was freakin' great! Peewee!

limeygeeza

01-17-2008, 10:04 PM

The intro was freakin' great! Peewee!

Ahhhhh - no wonder I had no clue what the intro was - he was never that big in the UK when I was a kid... I felt like such a moron not knowing what it was from, I confess!

Hill-hairy-arse no less...:D

beautiful-nightmare

01-17-2008, 10:16 PM

I didn't know what it was either.. I've never seen an episode of it..

serenity

01-17-2008, 11:00 PM

I didn't know what it was either.. I've never seen an episode of it..

It's from a movie, Tim Burton directed it in fact. He's one of my favourites. I think it may have been his first real film, even. :)

Pee-Wee's Big Adventure (Tequila scene!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVKsd8z6scw&feature=related

beautiful-nightmare

01-17-2008, 11:07 PM

Tim Burton is one of my favorite directors, so maybe I'd like it.. Was it pretty good?

serenity

01-17-2008, 11:10 PM

Tim Burton is one of my favorite directors, so maybe I'd like it.. Was it pretty good?

Hard to say.
I mean, yes it was - I loved it - but I saw it when I was pretty young, maybe 11 or so. So I have that nostalgia for it that may be colouring my opinion.

Also, I loved Pee-Wee and I was the perfect age for his antics. If I saw it now for the first time I probably would find Pee-Wee a little annoying. :)

I will say one scene gave me nightmares for weeks. I watch it now and laugh at myself for being so gullible.

nevermind_me

01-18-2008, 10:50 AM

i'm sure it was mentioned before, but it was jeff got master chief in the wrong game... MC was in DOA4 dude... spawn was in soul calibur 2. get your facts straight, cos the mix up was SO not rad.

now if you'll excuse me i've gotta go polish my PS3. dusts are so un-rad. gosh.

gm_wil

01-18-2008, 01:30 PM

off topic - anyone else's subscription to email notifications of new posts not working?

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dethklokrulz

01-18-2008, 06:15 PM

During the Dexter segment, Dan mentioned that the promise of Dexter being empty or having no emotions can't be the case because it's evident that he does by his actions.

To me this very contradiction is what makes Dexter interesting. From a very early age Dexter has been told he is different. This is his belief carried into his adult life. If you watch part way through season 2, you will begin to see cracks in his behavior; which to me are his emotions becoming realized. The question of "Is Dexter becoming conscious of his emotions?" and what he does in response is where the intrigue in his in character lies.

zedizdead

01-18-2008, 06:16 PM

Good show as always. I'm right with you guys on Dexter, and I give you props. I didn't make it past the second episode. I see a lot of folks say you have to hang in there, but for me, they blew it in the beginning. There is just too many other things to watch and a show has to get me from the beginning.

I loved the intro and I'm almost positive that you shot it at the park where I used to play little league. This question will confirm it...

Did you play mini golf in the same city a few blocks down from that park?

wandomike

01-18-2008, 08:45 PM

Great show as always guys. Dan was hilarious in the video game section! I have to say I liked Stuntman:Ignition - but I only played the demo.

rottnkorpse

01-19-2008, 11:50 PM

Ok my reply is about Stuntman : Ignition and I agree with Dan on this one as this is indeed an underrated game...in fact, I LOVE THIS GAME!!!

Alex and Jeff were talking about how there is only "ONE" way to beat the scenes and that is COMPLETELY WRONG. There is only ONE way to get 5 stars but for 3 or 4 you can do whatever you want as long as you don't miss 5 director stunts.

5 Stars has NOTHING to do with hitting all of the director stunts, you could miss 4 or the 5 and still land a 5 star rated scene because the way to get 5 stars is to never lose your string...as long as you keep your string alive by doing various combo stunts and such, it doesn't matter if you miss a few director stunts...the stunts are there to help you keep your string where there are parts of the map that you can't do anything else so yea if you miss a directory stunt then, sure you will lose the string.

The part I do agree with them is how you don't know what to do until you get there because it only tells you about a second ahead of time...there should be an overview map showing where each stunt is while it does the loading screen. The loading screen is cool where it tells you what you need to do for the larger stunts but I think it should tell you what to do on each stunt while it loads. Other than that I love the game.

I have told people to play this game and many give me various reasons why they don't like it and all of them be wrong about their reasons...such as the 5 star ratings and the director stunts...then I explain thats not how to get it and they go back and try again and see how fun the game is then. I have also had people tell me that the stunt director guy is so annoying and that they wished they could turn him off and were so pissed that they couldn't...that my friends is also false as you can turn him off in two ways...fully turn him off by going into the settings or just plug in a xbox live mic and all his stunt is sent to the mic which you can then temporarily turn him off in the volume.

The movie trailers are awesome as well because a few actually make you want to watch the movie that doesn't exist. Aftershock, Night Avenger and, the 007 parody, Never Kill Me Again. Overdrive gameplay is awesome and that makes you want to watch the movie but the trailer for that one is kind of lacking but the playing of the scenes makes up for that.

I played this game way too much as I have 5 stars in EVERY scene even the commercial but I hope they make another one because I will be first in line...

Speaking of the commercials those are very cool because once you beat them you can actually watch the commercial that is all built from your driving...once you finish it play the replay and you get to watch your driving along with the logo stuff of whatever company as well as a voiceover guy talking about the product...very nicely done :)

Even the online play is fun because not only can you do the scenes with friends or whatever but you can also race them and have string battles which lets you go in a regular race but the goal is to get the most string points and the battling part is that you can bump your opponents and steal their string. The only part wrong with the online is that is isn't very popular so you don't get to play it very much because it is an extreme pain to find someone to play which is a shame as the online is quite fun.

I will make a separate thread to show the trailers for you guys so you can at least see the trailers if you don't want to play the game even again after reading this post and the tips.

mega-man

01-21-2008, 01:00 AM

Hey guys, great episode this week. I have to reiterate what everyone's been saying about Dexter for the most part. You should definitely watch the entire first season before you pass judgement on this show. You really learn a lot about his background towards the end of the season.

As for reccomendations, I'd say check out The Wire. It's a great show that takes an in depth look at all sides involved in the "drug war" of Baltimore city. The first season is great. But if you do set aside some time to check this show out, be sure to watch the ENTIRE season.

Oh and Jeff, I'm diggin the beard. It's a good look for you man.

rottnkorpse

01-21-2008, 03:51 PM

gm_wil

01-21-2008, 07:49 PM

heyseuss

01-21-2008, 08:52 PM

I will make a separate thread to show the trailers for you guys so you can at least see the trailers if you don't want to play the game even again after reading this post and the tips.

Dude, I was halfway through reading your post when I had already decided to ask you if you had the replays online. I would love to watch those. I haven't played Ignition, but I still have all my replays from the original Stuntman even though I no longer have the game. I really enjoy the replays so I hope you see this post !!

autodas

01-21-2008, 09:16 PM

There were so many things wrong with Dexter (the show) to even enjoy it past the first few episodes.

velho

01-22-2008, 05:36 AM

There were so many things wrong with Dexter (the show) to even enjoy it past the first few episodes.

Guess I will save my time for something else on that one too then. I just watched first 20 minutes of "Mad Men".....and completely agree with Jeff. It thinks it is too smart for it's own good. It does have Connor (Angel's son)....though, now that I think about it, he always bugged me.

It's lame. Time to move on.

Two good things out of it though. Because I was recording Mad Men, I also recorded "March of the Penguins" and "Breaking Bad".

sisterchristian

01-22-2008, 05:30 PM

About Dexter,
I haven't watched it yet so I can't really comment on the show itself but a lot of people have been saying "you should watch the entire first season before you make your opinion about it" I think that is a very flawed statement because for me if a show can't grasp my attention in 2 or 3 episodes then it doesn't deserve my attention...I shouldn't have to spend 20 hours on a show to see if I like it...2 or 3 hours should be more than enough to decide. If the writers/creators of the show can't grab my attention in 2 or 3 episodes then they didn't do their job in my opinion.

I agree completely! Most of my fave shows catch me in the first couple of moments and keep me completely hooked. Mad Men was like that, also Journeyman. I just started watching Damages, and THAT is a show that grabs you in the first 60 secs! Most shows do need a couple of eps to get their stride, but if there isn't anything there for you at the start of the series, don't bother suffering through. :)

About Dexter... I watched Season 1 of Dexter mostly due to the great acting of Micheal C. Hall. The character of Dexter is compelling but the show really suffers from the supporting cast and show runners. And by show runners I mean that he individual eps were well written but the over all season was not satisfying and "jumped the shark" at several points. In fact the end of season 1 was so obvious and nonsensical that it turned me off of the show.

cyric

01-22-2008, 07:53 PM

Potential Dexter Spoilers......

I'm not too sure about the Dexter/superhero analogy presented in the review. I'm a little hesitant to say anything really, since I'm not familiar with the back stories of either the Punisher or Batman, and so if I'm completely wrong here feel free to set me straight...

Sure superficially they both kill bad guys, however at least to me the motivations of a real superhero and Dexter are very different. Dexter doesn't kill for any moral reason, there's no altruistic component, there's not even a revenge aspect to it as there might with a superhero. He kills only for the selfish need to sate his pathological desire to kill people (or rarely for his own self-preservation). The fact that his victims all happen to be bad guys deserving of being killed is sort of irrelevant as far as he's concerned and is just a result (and a happy bonus for us) of the coping mechanism developed and instilled by Harry. If anyone is the vigilante it would Harry who (perhaps subconsciously) grooms Dexter and in essence uses him as a way of dealing with his own demons from a distance (this is totally spelled out in the 2nd season, but is there in the first as well). Another thing mentioned as a problem in the review and also in this thread is that Dexter isn't supposed to have emotions but seems to show them anyway. Dexter is supposed to be a psychopath, this doesn't mean he lacks all emotions, he has emotions perhaps dulled somewhat), what he lacks is empathy. This was fairly consistent in the show. Whenever he does stuff for others it is through the filter of selfishness and self-preservation. His relationship with Rita is a prime example of that. What Harry did through his code was to find a way for Dexter to have a relatively safe outlet for him to kill while at the same time doing something justifiably good from Harry's point of view. So I don't think Dexter would qualify as a superhero (I don't think one could characterize him as a kind of supervillain either). I guess if you only look at the surface and project morals that aren't really there, then maybe (but they sort of make light of this in the second season).

And as for the first season being predictable from an early stage, sure I agree (I don't know anyone who didn't see the broad strokes of that plot coming early on). The two main "reveals" where telegraphed and so I don't think they were trying to hide it all that much. Besides the path of the plot was kind of locked in the first time they allude to a connection between the ice truck killer and Dexter, and to me it's really the only basic path you can logically take and still have a consistent, self-connected story. So I don't fault them for that and thought they dealt with the scenery along the way in a satisfying way.

I'll sort of agree with the casting, insofar as I very much disliked nearly everything surrounding the LaGuerta character and actress. I didn't really have much of a problem with the rest, though. I only started to watch Dexter after Rome ended and saw it as a sort of replacement. And in that capacity it didn't quite live up to it. But overall I still liked quite a bit, and am now eagerly awaiting season 3.