New! Revision3

[concerned]

I've been a fan of Revision3 for a while now.

However disappointed with the new site, it is full of lovely flash and images which im sure look very nice and attract new viewers.

However it is awfully slow.

Just a suggestion to add a low-bandwidth version of the site, for people who hate to load 100,000 images.

Also i have the same issues with trying to find Diggnation and download it directly from the site. It seems it is a challenge trying to get the latest episode without running into more flash video that i dont want to see.

Also could someone point me to the bit-torrent RRS for the HD Version of Diggnation?

I know you've had alot of complaints sorry to add mine to the pile. Thankyou for reading my feedback.

<EDIT>

Good job I really enjoy all the shows you produce

[phatlip12]

What you're referring to as being flash actually isn't flash it all, it's plain ol javascript. Also, as far as images concern I'm only counting 13 total images on the homepage (the web developer toolbar in Firefox is awesome).

As far as any other issues concern, Revision3 is currently trying to fix all the kinks that go with launching a new (large scale) site. What works great for a few dozen people is a totally different story once it's released "in the wild". What you call complaints Revision3 calls feedback; it's greatly appreciated.

I'm hoping things will start to get back to normal within the next few days. We'll keep you updated.

[bsg]

It takes 4 clicks to view a specific show in a specific format, assuming you use the "shows" link at the top of the window, and you realize where the format listings are hidden. Using visual cues and page organization, it can take anywhere from 6 to 8 clicks to see the latest episode. If you aren't sure which shows have come out on the day you're visiting the site, it now takes 6-10 clicks from the main page.

In the old site, the click-through was 2 for any episode released within the past week.

I consider that a downgrade. A significant downgrade.

Coupled with crappy brute-force javascript, poorly implemented graphic solutions, and bloated code and you've got a nearly inaccessible website. I'm sorry, but it's a burden to use. I'm sure it looks cute with its web2.0 bevels and text, but it's just plain difficult to navigate.

[eddyc30]

Not to mention I can't see what the latest shows are. I used to be able to visit the site (which would load in seconds) and see what the new shows were if I was in a rush then download them. Now it's much harder and frankly, I hate the new site.

[djoutlaws]

You're just frightened of change and unwilling to learn something new. A lot of people have that condition.

Give it a month or two and you'll love the site.

It looks way better than the last one, and a more professional look is what R3 needs if it is to move forward to the next stage of its life.

Good on them I say, a superb site and big improvement!!!

Are you changing the forums to the new look? It's a bit mis-matched at the moment?!

[crumbles]

You're just frightened of change and unwilling to learn something new. A lot of people have that condition.Um, or he's right, and the new site is just damned slow now.

There are numerous small and easy things they could do to not only increase the performance, but lower their bandwidth.

Just take the diggnation page for instance.

http://revision3.com/diggnation/

Every single on of those small thumbnails are actual giant images. Take a look:
http://bitcast-a.bitgravity.com/revision3/thumbs/diggnation--0133--2008-01-17acidburn--thumb.jpg

What the hell are they doing? Why do I have to wait for a GIANT ass image to load when they are only wanting to use that picture as a thumbnail? And it's for EVERY THUMBNAIL ON THE PAGE.

I mean come on, is this a geocities page or something? That's like web design pre101.

[lttwinkie]

I just wanted to go on record saying I hate the new site. It is painfully slow and I never know when a new episode comes out (or how to find it when it does).

I'm also having a problem staying logged in with Opera. It logs in fine but the remember me button must not be working because every time I come back I have to log in again.

Suggestions:
-Have the download links / send to a friend automatically expanded OR remember my preferences (once you figure out how to keep me logged in)

-once you have them auto expanding move the download links above send to a friend (downloading the show is more important than sending personalized spam)

-Add latest episodes, new releases, new today or something to that effect on the FRONT PAGE. In fact you could just copy your top episodes box, move it to the right of the page and put the new episodes in it ...or put in some more java wizardry and have a new episodes fly-out menu. It doesn't really matter because...

-It's just too slow! I'm sure you're working on it but if there is one rule to launching a website it's that it shouldn't be slow ...ever! People pay a lot of money to make the internets go faster. When I'm on a slow site it feels like I'm wasting money.

I know streamlining a new site on such a massive scale is tough but somebody had to have noticed it was a hog during testing

There that's it. That's my rant. I hope some of this is helpful. If some people don't agree with it I don't care. I don't yell at you for expressing your opinion.

[blaqua]

Not to mention I can't see what the latest shows are. I used to be able to visit the site (which would load in seconds) and see what the new shows were if I was in a rush then download them. Now it's much harder and frankly, I hate the new site.

Agreed.. New site gfx are cool but they make everything more difficult!

[cheech151337]

Coupled with crappy brute-force javascript, poorly implemented graphic solutions, and bloated code and you've got a nearly inaccessible website. I'm sorry, but it's a burden to use. I'm sure it looks cute with its web2.0 bevels and text, but it's just plain difficult to navigate.Well put sir! Myself, I will be content with an ordered list page. I will just have to live with "Digging" (lol!) through layer, after layer, after javacript menu to get to the download link of my choice :)

[dyzzi]

i hate it, i hate it, i hate it, i hate it, i hate it, i hate it, i hate it.

but you won't change it back because you're a god damn fruit basket of retards.

it won't ever be the same because of these retards that keep giving you thumbs up.

i'm pissed off because i know for damn certain that you wont revert to the old kick ass problem free design you used to have that was never a burden or a problem to anyone because they had already long discovered the best way to view your content on their god damned own.

i encourage you to fix sh*t that people thought was broken, but that DOESN'T mean that you should completely revamp the entirety of a structure when it was NEVER and i stress this NEVER a problem.. every single person i know that views this site has complained about everything, not one or two things but every god damned pathetic piece of sh*t this website has now spawned.

the reason i obsess about this subject is because for every day following it's never going to be the same because there is no god damned way you're going to revert.

thats not how the business works, you've spent 5 months turning a shrine into a sh*tter that you'll just keep trying to find ways to fix the sh*t you've elegantly placed within that sh*tter instead of just doing us all a favor and tossing 5 months out the window, tossing the retards that thought this was a good idea out on their ass, and continuing with the natural progression that is revision 3 in it's stress free fashion.

let me put this into perspective here for you:

old revision 3 layout = TechTV

new revision 3 layout = G4

excluding attack of the show and lab with leo for simple comedic/informational value i believe that we all understand what i mean by that perspective.

ugh i give up.. you're like f*ing good charlotte or something.. you turn gay at the drop of a hat and keep on that train until you bury yourself.

i'd rather just go out and buy tech audiobooks.. after all the ripping is done all it'll take is one god damned click instead of 6-8-20 if you're wrong about which show is released and you've gotta go back and check the other one.

i cleaned up the language because i don't feel like getting banned.. in the case that being a possibility... but you get my point.

[darknessgp]

What you're referring to as being flash actually isn't flash it all, it's plain ol javascript. Also, as far as images concern I'm only counting 13 total images on the homepage (the web developer toolbar in Firefox is awesome).

As far as any other issues concern, Revision3 is currently trying to fix all the kinks that go with launching a new (large scale) site. What works great for a few dozen people is a totally different story once it's released "in the wild". What you call complaints Revision3 calls feedback; it's greatly appreciated.

I'm hoping things will start to get back to normal within the next few days. We'll keep you updated.

I would agree, but it also has fundamental design issues. Obviously, there is the using huge ass images to generate small thumbnails, which can and should have already been fixed. But there are also things like, where the hell is the list of latest releases?! You know, the main focus of the old site, which should be the main focus of this one. No one cares what the "top shows" really are, nor do they really even care to have a list of the upcoming releases... unless they can easily get to it when it gets released.

Anyways, this site update may force me to start using RSS to get the shows.

[skyz]

i hate it, i hate it, i hate it, i hate it, i hate it, i hate it, i hate it.



so is rev3 your exclusive significan other ?

[xplorer]

so is rev3 your exclusive significan other ?


Nope just his significant other....


But on a serious note, I have to agree with the usability and loading issues...

Whoever thought this was good solid design needs to go back to the literal drawing board.
I used to be able to pop into the site, check if there was anything new at a glance, then pop right back out. It now takes at least 3 times as long if not more to do the same thing.

Lets not even get started with login issues.

This is a massive step back for Rev3, and at such an important time for this company.
Me thinks we got too big and the decision making process has been muddied by suits.

Its starting to feel like May 29th 2004 all over again.

[skyz]

Me thinks we got too big and the decision making process has been muddied by suits.

Its starting to feel like May 29th 2004 all over again.

'we got to big' ~ are you a paid member of rev3

and i was being serious ~ such passion ~ you even remember the date of the 'first date'

he hates / she loves / it's fugly

get a grip it's a frigging website

[darknessgp]

...
get a grip it's a frigging website

yes, it's a frigging website... One that if it stays in a slow state might not get as much traffic, and deter new people from coming. And Rev3 is a business that relies heavily on online content delivery. We all don't want to see Rev3 go out of business because they made a mistake with a new web design or launched one that broke and never gets fixed.

[gehenna]

I kinda like the new site, it's very nice to look at of course. I'm finding it a lot less functional than its predecessor. I don't like the amount of time and clicks it takes to get to the show I want, and choose the format I want to download. I like the old way: go to the show page, click on the file and its on its way.

I also find it difficult now to see the latest show. I may be missing something here but in the old version the list of shows on the front page was in order of what had been most recently released. It seems now I have to go into the schedule, or into the show itself and just guess at whether it's been updated or not. I think having a "latest releases" section on the home page would be a great addition and make things a lot more functional.

Edit: Hey! I know I'm a first time poster on the forum but I was a paid member of the site for a long long time...I thought Mr L. told me last week that I'd appear as a "Founding Member" in the forum....Sucks to be a Newbie when I've been supporting you guys for so long...

[skyz]

yes, it's a frigging website... One that if it stays in a slow state might not get as much traffic, and deter new people from coming. And Rev3 is a business that relies heavily on online content delivery. We all don't want to see Rev3 go out of business because they made a mistake with a new web design or launched one that broke and never gets fixed.

so...let me get this straight you admire rev3 for their content but you have somewhat less confidence in their website design capabilities.... ?

it has only been a week...'o ye of little faith' :rolleyes:

[comhcinc]

i got to agree. you have to be close to insane to think the company isn't going to fix the glicks and get it running smoother and faster.

i like the new site design. it looks very web 2.0 which all the kids seem to dig. the old site did not look good. i still say good job.

[bsg]

Web 2.0: Form > Functionality

The old website wasn't exactly beautiful, but it certainly worked. This website has fundamental issues, not just "kinks."

[comhcinc]

if there are still problems three months from now we can start to talk about "fundamental issues" right now it's just release bugs.

oh by the way, i have yet to have the problems everyone is speaking of.

[mic]

if there are still problems three months from now we can start to talk about "fundamental issues" right now it's just release bugs.

Can the way the new site looks be considered a bug?:p

Must be time to throw another log into the stove, the steam engine that keeps the forum pages flowing is slowing down.

[bsg]

Um, no. That isn't how it works. If you've got a broken and ineffective design, you fix it.

[phatlip12]

i hate it, i hate it, i hate it, i hate it, i hate it, i hate it, i hate it.

but you won't change it back because you're a god damn fruit basket of retards.

it won't ever be the same because of these retards that keep giving you thumbs up.

i'm pissed off because i know for damn certain that you wont revert to the old kick ass problem free design you used to have that was never a burden or a problem to anyone because they had already long discovered the best way to view your content on their god damned own.

i encourage you to fix sh*t that people thought was broken, but that DOESN'T mean that you should completely revamp the entirety of a structure when it was NEVER and i stress this NEVER a problem.. every single person i know that views this site has complained about everything, not one or two things but every god damned pathetic piece of sh*t this website has now spawned.

the reason i obsess about this subject is because for every day following it's never going to be the same because there is no god damned way you're going to revert.

thats not how the business works, you've spent 5 months turning a shrine into a sh*tter that you'll just keep trying to find ways to fix the sh*t you've elegantly placed within that sh*tter instead of just doing us all a favor and tossing 5 months out the window, tossing the retards that thought this was a good idea out on their ass, and continuing with the natural progression that is revision 3 in it's stress free fashion.

let me put this into perspective here for you:

old revision 3 layout = TechTV

new revision 3 layout = G4

excluding attack of the show and lab with leo for simple comedic/informational value i believe that we all understand what i mean by that perspective.

ugh i give up.. you're like f*ing good charlotte or something.. you turn gay at the drop of a hat and keep on that train until you bury yourself.

i'd rather just go out and buy tech audiobooks.. after all the ripping is done all it'll take is one god damned click instead of 6-8-20 if you're wrong about which show is released and you've gotta go back and check the other one.

i cleaned up the language because i don't feel like getting banned.. in the case that being a possibility... but you get my point.

Ok, you SERIOUSLY need to calm down. It's only a website.

[concerned]

Ok, you SERIOUSLY need to calm down. It's only a website.

It is only a website, but its something we love so much.

The intent of this post isn't to flame or get angry. :D

It was just to post feedback and it's gotten a little out of hand.

However from the replies to the thread I'll restate my suggestion

A low-bandwidth version of the site. for people who don't want to load images.

Also where is the RSS for the torrent version of Diggnation? Do you have an ETA? or is the tracker still sick? :)

Also i'd take a page from TWiT and Myspace.

Offer a BETA Version of the website for community feedback. Leaked or not. =P

Thankyou, again for reading my feedback and thanks for reading my suggestions.

[spock-tm]

Wow, I can't say how surprised I am that such a jumbled up website came from such forward thinking people.

Everything is just so much harder to access now. I used to love visiting the Rev3 site, I'd probably check it a few times a day, just to see what new shows had been released that day.

Can't do that now.

Not quickly anyhow.

I wonder what prompted the alteration, taking away the latest shows and moving the 'Top Episodes' to the now I guess prime location on that page to place them (The latest eps).


Also, from a design/ usability standpoint, I gotta say that those links under the title, "Choose what you want to watch" feel like they should be on the opposite side of the banner you have playing there, the flow of the human eye, and the way most people have been trained to view pages with ease, take links from that side, with the focus of information in the middle to right-hand side of the screen.... in my experience with designing pages and user interfaces.


Speaking of User Interfaces', were any usability testing done on this page with a wide range of Rev3 users? (not employees)




The honest truth is that I probably going to stop coming to the site's main page now, it's too much of a hassle, and my fav shows (iFanboy and TRD) have the episodes posted on their much easier to load/ access sites. Sure I'll be missing out on Digg, but I guess I could handle 1 rss feed to my browser :/

The main page's clutter is kinda too much, sorry. Guess I'll check back now and then to see if it gets updated :/

[dyzzi]

yeah maybe i do have some anger issues, but you can't blame a guy for tryin' to get the good back even if he tries expressing his opinion dramatically.

after all, everyone's commenting about it the civilized way and we all know it to be true that one more face in the crowd can easily get lost.

so trying a pathetic approach just seemed like fun.. especially because i really do want the old sexy black bitch back.

i just really hope negativity isn't a minority here.. so far it seems like only the few and far between are alright with the change...

the entire website is trashy and there's comments, text, and all kinds of pointless junk spread about in varied locations..

i actually wonder if Jim even looked at the website design before it was propped up for all to see or just went "i like colors" and screamed out "hell yes".

like.. he actually TELLS us his opinion about how he thinks it's EASIER ON THE EYES.

i took the time to show my grandparents, whom suffer difficulty of sight now at their age, they instantly told me that the screen is too bright (which it's not.. kept at default) and that they couldn't even see anything other than bright as hell white (which it is ivory, but you know old people.. lol) with slight scribbles that they couldn't make out for dear life.

i've shown them revision 3 before back when it was black and even before that when it was originally full white BG and they've never given me any complaints.. (i tried to show them an episode of the broken once and they weren't too impressed, but then diggnation and pixelperfect came out and they loved it.. but they really enjoyed ctrl+alt+chicken the most until it bombed.)

anyway.. yeah actually i have nothing more to say here.. just revert the damn thing and start over.

[cheech151337]

The question now is, does Rev3 have the balls to revert back to the old layout while they start over on a new website, or do ignore the users and keep it business as usual with the new layout?

[hollywoodbound]

And also possibley a mobile friendly or blackberry version

(I know I am being spoiled but pretty mobile websites are fun!)

[steelknigt]

Go back to the old site, PLEASE. This one has been nothing but slow, bulky, and hard to navigate pages. You guys are missing the point with the site and the content you are delivering. The old site was sleek, simple, and didn't have a lot of click-through, it was PERFECT. Now you have redundant links, hidden content, and "features" some of which is wasted space.

-Seriously, Who cares about top episodes?, bring back the page where you can view newly released videos. Without this you are alienating your user base. People wanna be able to visit the site view what new has been released since last visit and sit back click and enjoy. Hell, this will get shows more views in the long run because people are more apt to click a show they don't watch regularly, but still may be interested in that weeks/days program. What you won't find is someone seek out content they wouldn't normally watch.

-DON'T hide content. Tekzilla Daily is all but thrown into a corner and if I was a new user I doubt I would have found this show to enjoy.

-Self Promotion? Are you joking? We are at your site already! Some is ok be it a bit of, filler or hidden in the right places, but the massive amounts deployed here just take up room and make things bulkier. Find better ways to show yourself off than an advertisement.

-Load times..... For being a web based company I would have thought the designers would know better than having a page with HUGE images for thumbnails. Albeit, somewhat fixed already, this is just basic web design point #1. Seriously, this is the first day of any web design class ever.



This may be ranty but I urge for the topics to be looked at and fixed. Nothing is wrong with innovation in design or just wanting a new look, but don't let functionality become the afterthought.

[esophagus]

Wow. You guys are crazy. We have a team that's doing there best to make an absolutely stunning webpage, and it's working. Yes, it's a bit slow at times (I haven't even noticed in a while, I think it's gotten better. Not as many visitors as they had, as they're no longer on the front page of digg, which added a lot of traffic) but I would say they're doing a fantastic job. It's very user friendly and it's given us a lot of new content that we didn't have. Show and creator bios, better flash players, forum posts on the front page, etc. I can almost guarantee that if things are slow, they're working at making it faster. Instead of whining, why don't you just be happy they're giving you so much free programming, and still want to find ways to make it more enjoyable for you. Whether you like the new site (or not), be happy for that. No one's forcing you to look at it.

[damnedeyez]

an absolutely stunning webpage

I'm stunned that anyone thinks it looks good.


forum posts on the front page

I don't see that as a good thing...for one, it gives spammers more reason to post as it gives them free front page advertising at night.


Instead of whining, why don't you just be happy they're giving you so much free programming, and still want to find ways to make it more enjoyable for you. Whether you like the new site (or not), be happy for that. No one's forcing you to look at it.

"they want to make it more enjoyable, so shut up if you don't like it."?

[esophagus]

"they want to make it more enjoyable, so shut up if you don't like it."?At least you got that part right.

[samureye]

I'm stunned that anyone thinks it looks good.




I don't see that as a good thing...for one, it gives spammers more reason to post as it gives them free front page advertising at night.




"they want to make it more enjoyable, so shut up if you don't like it."?

I love the look of the front page, though it needs something more, as I have suggested directly, we'll see if this happens. As for spammers, I resent that! We're the bestest moderators ever. Martin Sargent told me so, and he never lies.

[fernandez]

i like the new site, the only query i have is i would like to see a section for updates, like what shows are newest rather than clicking all or looking at the calender


other than that i think its a great job

[concerned]

Wow. You guys are crazy. We have a team that's doing there best to make an absolutely stunning webpage, and it's working. Yes, it's a bit slow at times (I haven't even noticed in a while, I think it's gotten better. Not as many visitors as they had, as they're no longer on the front page of digg, which added a lot of traffic) but I would say they're doing a fantastic job. It's very user friendly and it's given us a lot of new content that we didn't have. Show and creator bios, better flash players, forum posts on the front page, etc. I can almost guarantee that if things are slow, they're working at making it faster. Instead of whining, why don't you just be happy they're giving you so much free programming, and still want to find ways to make it more enjoyable for you. Whether you like the new site (or not), be happy for that. No one's forcing you to look at it.

This is all good,

-Better flash players <- From the poll that was put up a few days ago. Watching the flash was NOT the most popular way to watch Revision3

-Show and creator bios <- This is great. How about a Wiki? Pssst! Wiki's are fun =D

-I know the staff at revision 3 worked on the site to improve it, and im sure they put in alot of effort to make it that way, however what we are posting are SUGGESTIONS AND FEEDBACK. People are getting too aggressive

-new content <- I do not see any new content, all i see is old content that is harder to get to.

What was originally said by a moderator was "What you call complaints, Revision3 calls feedback"

Hopefully from the feedback and suggestions, Revision 3 will allow for more BETA testing before they release a new website.

Thankyou for reading my feedback.

P.S: Whats the update on the tracker? Still dead?

[bsg]

I don't think anyone's doubting how hard the Revision3 staff works, or how much they care about users. We're doubting their judgment in design, functionality, and programming.

The site is a visual improvement, but because of its poor functionality and design, the improvements are only visual (and even someone might argue it's not all that pretty). Beyond that, the site is slow, uses a great deal of non-standards compliant javascript, and doesn't have a fast and streamline workflow for watching your daily shows.

Most of us (I would say 'we' but a few people seem awful heated) aren't knocking Revision3, we're just stating our opinions and complaints. As has been already said (From the horses mouth), a successful company sees complaints as feedback and room for improvement.

And it is doubtless that this design has major issues. You can't argue against that, as it's a relatively obvious design flaw to not have a chronological show listing, or to hide any primary and high-demand link in a dropdown menu. These are design nonos on almost any site you visit, and is why anyone is complaining.

Revision3 is a wonderful company with us, their consumer, in mind (long before their investors, which is a throwback to some of the successful 40/50s mantras) and is probably racing around the clock to consider our complaints and implement solutions.

You don't have to worry about defending them. I'm sure if they thought we were full of shit, they'd have Pat Norton in here taking names and throwing down. Instead Mr. L is printing off all of my awesome posts and shoving them in Dave Randolph's face.

Sorry Dave. I'm just that insightful.

[ashgotti]

I love Revision3 but I find the new design slow and unorganized.

I do understand the need for a redesign and the want to be a legitimate content provider.

I'm still going to download the shows and visit the site but I do find it slow and confusing.

[mic]

My main concern about the new site focuses mainly on the front page. Those safety cornered bubbles were tired when WinXP used them for default in 2001. Now they are old, unimaginative and boring. They also make the site look disconnected with their poorly spaced placements. The ads don't fit around them and the colors are all wrong. Once you peel the face off the monotony and click a show link some of the better design starts to appear. The front page needs a face lift. And hopefully that will happen when the oversight of having to haphazardly click show links to find recent episodes get fixed.

[jordanm85]

The new design is probably one of the worst I have ever seen. Why make things so complicated?.... they were perfect before. A terribly cluttered home page.

And my videos have been skipping quite a bit since the change, and the site is running much slower. Honestly, if these shows were on Youtube, I would rather watch them there.

[skyz]

We're the bestest moderators ever. Martin Sargent told me so, and he never lies.

'truth of drifters' like 'kindness of strangers' (tennessee williams)

[catavarie]

I know I'm simply reiterating what several people have already said here but...

I do miss being able to see at a glance which shows have been recently released. I enjoy being able to see the top rated episodes on the front page in their list, but why couldn't we have a similar list on the front page showing the most recently added episodes as well? Or at least a link to another page that would show the recently added episodes? Now I'm no web developer, but I can't imagine that this would be that terribly difficult nor time consuming process to do, as it can be done in HTML in a matter of minutes. Just my 2 cents thrown into the hat.

And despite this single problem I have with the new site, I do enjoy the overall look and feel, just miss being able to get my information at a quick glance, you know like with Digg.com :D

[ender-]

shouldnt the new site be called revision4.


OOHHHHHHH HOOOOOO~~!

[kowgod]

For those of you who may have missed the blog post or the announcement thread, the main site was revised today.

Read about it here (http://revision3.com/blog/2008/01/24/revision3com-updates-we-hear-you-and-have-changes), or simply go have a look (http://revision3.com/).

[balzout]

Site looks awesome now with the new releases....Great job revision3.

[concerned]

Thankyou for fixing the site it is alot better now.

Also thankyou for fixing it in a timely matter. =D

Its really appreciated.

Bit-Torrent RSS of HD Quicktime? Ever comming back?

[sympt0m]

Anyone else notice this.

http://www.areyoueye.net/systmedit.png

I have seen it in a few places not just that specific one. BTW Im using firefox 2.0.0.11 on ubuntu gutsy 7.10. I think Ive noticed it on win vista (w/firefox) as well.


All in all Im not a big fan of the new site. It seems a little too busy. The old rev3 was simpler, and I like it that way. But thats just my own $0.02.

[comhcinc]

do you people feel the need to start a thread for every little complaint? do a damn forum search and post in the proper place.