Is it the OD time of year?

[ariastar]

We've all heard about Brad Renfro and Heath Ledger dying due to ODs. But fuck, a friend of mine and my mom's was found dead from an OD too. Needle in his arm when he was found. Kieth had his drug problems, but was always so nice and was making an effort to try getting his life straightened up. Needless to say, my mom and I are both pretty upset.

[samureye]

Well, these people got what was coming to them. It's unfortunate that they have to die in such a manner, prematurely even, but it's not like it wasn't avoidable.

[popltree2]

Well, these people got what was coming to them. It's unfortunate that they have to die in such a manner, prematurely even, but it's not like it wasn't avoidable.

Way to add insult to injury. Yes, we all know that drugs kill and that anyone that does them should know that. But do you really have to be such a cold-hearted dick about it? The girl lost a friend. Regardless of how it happened, show some compassion for fuck sake. We don't know the circumstances behind which he started using. Was it a dumb choice? Yes. Did he know the risks when he started using? I would suspect so. But if he was making an honest attempt to clean himself up and slipped back (as many do), no one is in any position to speak ill of him.
I think saying "he got what was coming to him." is a very least a bit harsh but more accurately is a prime example of douchebaggery. It's like saying that if someone gets in two accidents, they should have their license revoked with no chance of getting it back, regardless under which circumstances those accidents occurred. Of course there are circumstances where someone who gets into an accident shouldn't be allowed to drive, but that doesn't apply to EVERYONE who has been in an accident.

[samureye]

Cold hearted? I said it was unfortunate and I never said it was good for them, or was happy about it or anything of the sort because we don't know why people do drugs in the first place - they have their reasons.

You quoted me as saying "he got what was coming to him." when I said "these people got what was coming to them" referencing dead drug users in general. Use drugs in a destructive manner and you'll end up dead. It's unforunate, but still avoidable.

[phatlip12]

Cold hearted? I said it was unfortunate and I never said it was good for them, or was happy about it or anything of the sort because we don't know why people do drugs in the first place - they have their reasons.

You quoted me as saying "he got what was coming to him." when I said "these people got what was coming to them" referencing dead drug users in general. Use drugs in a destructive manner and you'll end up dead. It's unforunate, but still avoidable.

I don't agree. A guy I used to work with his currently hooked on heroin. His addiction started with pain pills which were described to him and as far as I know, were took in a responsible manner. Then he got hooked. Pain pills were harder to find/more expensive on the streets so he resorted to heroin (cheaper/stronger and easier to find). The point I'm trying to make is he didn't suddenly wake up one day and say "I think I'll snort some heroin today!"

[samureye]

I don't agree. A guy I used to work with his currently hooked on heroin. His addiction started with pain pills which were described to him and as far as I know, were took in a responsible manner. Then he got hooked. Pain pills were harder to find/more expensive on the streets so he resorted to heroin (cheaper/stronger and easier to find). The point I'm trying to make is he didn't suddenly wake up one day and say "I think I'll snort some heroin today!"

You disagree me saying it's avoidable? If so, are you saying there was NOTHING the man could have done?

[phatlip12]

You disagree me saying it's avoidable? If so, are you saying there was NOTHING the man could have done?

Sammy, once you're hooked you're hooked. Part of "doing something" involves actually using the drug itself. Relapse is often considered to be a stage towards RECOVERY.

You shouldn't be so quick to judge. Thats all.

[comhcinc]

We've all heard Heath Ledger dying due to OD.

i have not heard that at all. what i've heard is Heath Ledger died and the reason and way has yet to be determined. it's pretty damn rude to be jumping to such conclusions

[samureye]

Not judging, just saying to get hooked is probably your fault in the first place - unless we're to assume someone injects you with cocaine or something and you're not aware, then you become hooked? At any rate it's still unfortunate, but nobody would be in the situation if they would at that moment in time say no to "trying it out."

[samureye]

i have not heard that at all. what i've heard is Heath Ledger died and the reason and way has yet to be determined. it's pretty damn rude to be jumping to such conclusions

True, but the evidence is piling up (http://www.tmz.com/2008/01/23/medicines-found-in-heaths-apartment/).

[phatlip12]

Not judging, just saying to get hooked is probably your fault in the first place - unless we're to assume someone injects you with cocaine or something and you're not aware, then you become hooked? At any rate it's still unfortunate, but nobody would be in the situation if they would at that moment in time say no to "trying it out."

Unless of course you get hooked on the stuff like the guy I used to work with did.

[tokenuser]

i have not heard that at all. what i've heard is Heath Ledger died and the reason and way has yet to be determined. it's pretty damn rude to be jumping to such conclusionsDitto. Apparently he had a coke and cigarette habit ... diet coke, not cocaine.

The pills found around him? Ambien sleeping tablets.

The coke residue found on money in his apartment? Just like every $20, $50, and $100 in circulation in the US.

Until Heath is declared dead of a drug overdose it all speculation, and despite being a reputed bad boy, it is just that - speculation.

Sooooooooo .... how long 'til Brtiney carks it?

[phatlip12]

True, but the evidence is piling up (http://www.tmz.com/2008/01/23/medicines-found-in-heaths-apartment/).

Nothing wrong with theories IMO.

[xibalba]

i have not heard that at all. what i've heard is Heath Ledger died and the reason and way has yet to be determined. it's pretty damn rude to be jumping to such conclusions

Way too many rumors going around right now.

Like he had pneumonia or there was 20 dollar bills rolled up with powder on the and drug packets. Can't people just wait till the results of the test are done on and the cause of death is determined before jumping to conclusions. It does Sucks people die from OD.

[samureye]

Nothing wrong with theories IMO.

Well Aria stated it as fact, that was the major point.

And Xibalba, yeah, it's unfortunate, like I've been saying all this time!

[autodas]

Why should samureye be compassionate towards people he has never known? That would be deceitful and against my morals. What he said wasn't cold-harded, just the truth that it was their own choice to get addicted to a dangerous drug and unfortunate they didn't possess enough will to get themselves to stop before doing permanent harm.

[phatlip12]

Why should samureye be compassionate towards people he has never known? That would be deceitful and against my morals. What he said wasn't cold-harded, just the truth that it was their own choice to get addicted to a dangerous drug and unfortunate they didn't possess enough will to get themselves to stop before doing permanent harm.

Yeah, but the way he worded it made it sound like they deserved it. That was the problem people saw in what he said.

[xibalba]

To be honest I rarely feel anything for people dying of any cause. Only thing that really gets me down is when I hear a animal dies people I think meh that sucks.

[samureye]

Yeah, but the way he worded it made it sound like they deserved it. That was the problem people saw in what he said.

Well, hey, do drugs and it's gonna happen. I'm not explicitly saying you deserve it, but meh. Why aren't the majority of rappers dead from OD?

[comhcinc]

True, but the evidence is piling up (http://www.tmz.com/2008/01/23/medicines-found-in-heaths-apartment/).

No, it isn't (http://www.onlyamoronwouldlinktotmz.com). if you go to any of the hundreds of real news sites you would see that the autopsy proved inconclusive. you were not there and you are not an expert. even if you were an expert you have not examine health ledger or his apartment. quit playing armchair detective

[samureye]

No, it isn't (http://www.onlyamoronwouldlinktotmz.com). if you go to any of the hundreds of real news sites you would see that the autopsy proved inconclusive. you were not there and you are not an expert. even if you were an expert you have not examine health ledger or his apartment. quit playing armchair detective

Aria said X. You said Y. I said you're right but showed there's a reason for her saying what she said. Don't have a cow, man!

[phatlip12]

Well, hey, do drugs and it's gonna happen. I'm not explicitly saying you deserve it, but meh. Why aren't the majority of rappers dead from OD?

Most rappers are more into weed then other stuff and it's pretty impossible to OD on weed (maybe if you smoked a truck load).

[comhcinc]

how do you know what most rappers are into? god i love sterotypes

[phatlip12]

how do you know what most rappers are into? god i love sterotypes

A majority of rappers sing about and often condone smoking pot (more so then other substances).

[comhcinc]

A majority of rappers sing about and often condone smoking pot (more so then other substances).
lots of them also talk about all the money that they got and all the people they will kill. is that true too?

or is most of it just hyperbole?

[phatlip12]

lots of them also talk about all the money that they got and all the people they will kill. is that true too?

or is most of it just hyperbole?

Yes it's true they have money. As far as talking about personally killing people, I'm sure it's been said but not as much as you're probably thinking. Lyrics discussing smoking weed/condoning it on the other hand are far more common.

[comhcinc]

Yes it's true they have money.
in fact most of them don't, they are given money up front back the record company in hopes that they will be able to pay it back. they are not rich, they are in a lot of debt. i'm sure skyz will back me up on that.

As far as talking about personally killing people, I'm sure it's been said but not as much as you're probably thinking.
i own a lot of rap and hip hop ablums. it happens quiet a lot. hell it happens quiet a lot in any dead prez song.

[md2389]

c'mon guys, lets keep it civil.

Getting back to the OT, lets wait for the official results stating what killed Heath Ledger rather than get pissy about what may or may not have happened.

[phatlip12]

in fact most of them don't, they are given money up front back the record company in hopes that they will be able to pay it back. they are not rich, they are in a lot of debt. i'm sure skyz will back me up on that. All because some are stupid in their spending doesn't mean there not rich. Lets just say they have more money then you and I.
i own a lot of rap and hip hop ablums. it happens quiet a lot. hell it happens quiet a lot in any dead prez song.

Ok, but that doesn't really change that a majority of rappers smoke pot. ;)

[comhcinc]

c'mon guys, lets keep it civil.

i got your civil right here in my pants. jesus h. christ! what is wrong with the world? two people can't disagree and discuss something without some assclown butting in.

[comhcinc]

All because some are stupid in their spending doesn't mean there not rich. Lets just say they have more money then you and I.
nope i know for a fact that i have more money than 99% of rap artist preforming today.

Ok, but that doesn't really change that a majority of rappers smoke pot. ;)

no it doesn't change the fact that a lot of rappers talk about smoking pot. you are just basing that off of a sterotype based off the hyperbole found in rap lyrics. you don't understand how the music business works and you just dismiss all the murder talk. you have a very selective bs meter my friend

[ariastar]

Sammy, you are a grade A asshole. Kieth wasn't a violent guy involved in gang activity and didn't go around hurting people. Yes, he made mistakes. But he was trying to get his life back on track. Instead of saying he got what he deserved, how about compassion for those who are sad he's gone, or for his teenage daughter who found him? She was his primary motivation for cleaning up. You're a Christian, and your god doesn't condone humans judging others the way you are.

Regarding Heath Ledger, it's all rumor at this point, though the main speculation was drugs, though it's now unclear and nothing is conclusive.

Rappers and singers often rap/sing about things they don't have or haven't experienced. Singing about drug use doesn't mean one does it personally. This doesn't mean one doesn't condone it (my mom's pro-legalization, though doesn't like to do it herself). Don't take the subject/topic of a song as a representation of someone's life.

[esophagus]

I'd like to point out that all Aria said was that Heath died of an OD. I am totally with all of you on hating the way everyone is automatically jumping to suicide, but he did OD. Was it not determined that the medication was the cause of this? It's just whether or not it was self-inflected that we don't, and probably never will, know.

[samureye]

I'd like to point out that all Aria said was that Heath died of an OD. I am totally with all of you on hating the way everyone is automatically jumping to suicide, but he did OD. Was it not determined that the medication was the cause of this? It's just whether or not it was self-inflected that we don't, and probably never will, know.

I don't think anything official has been put out. The OD thing, I believe, was believed because there were reports of pills strewn about, then they said it was a pill bottle on the nightstand. Meh?

But death by drugs doesn't necessarily mean OD, does it? What if you take a reasonable amount of 2 different drugs and the reaction is what kills you? Is that OD?

[esophagus]

I don't think anything official has been put out. The OD thing, I believe, was believed because there were reports of pills strewn about, then they said it was a pill bottle on the nightstand. Meh?

But death by drugs doesn't necessarily mean OD, does it? What if you take a reasonable amount of 2 different drugs and the reaction is what kills you? Is that OD?True. I just don't think she quite meant to say he did it intentionally. It takes a lot to OD on Ambien, so I'm going to guess it was a bad reaction or something.

[samureye]

Well in the privacy of your own home of course people are going to say he overdosed, the same way people may joke about MJ touching boys. It's a harmless generalization that people like comhcinc get riled up for.

But yeah, we don't really know...nor is it of any real consequence to any of us.