View Full Version : Why do they think the Wii is just a gamecube?
shaolindrunkard
10-31-2006, 03:58 PM
I'm not sure where the confusion set in, but for some reason John and Dan think that the Wii is no more graphically powerful than the Gamecube, however its a known fact that the Wii is much much more powerful than the Gamecube, it simply doesnt measure up to the 360 and Ps3. Yeah, the Graphics arent incredible, but they are going to be much much better depending on the game. Just wanted to get the record straight so they dont miss out on the Wii!!!:D
imagineer99
10-31-2006, 04:02 PM
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/04/wii-hardware-is-basically-a-gc-says-miyamoto/
Umm...probably because Myamoto said this. I'm not dissing what the Wii is trying to do, but for all intensive purposes it can't compete graphically with a good PC, 360, and PS3.
Wii is gonna succeed with original first party games and its interesting controller. Not on processing ability or polygon counts. And, let's face it, Wii Sports is totally gay *drops dollar in totally gay bucket*
masherscf
10-31-2006, 04:14 PM
What I'm gonna say is gonna sound like sacrilege.
There was a lot of rumblings around the release of the XBOX 360 that it wasn't living up to "next gen" standard, whatever that is. That would make the only truly "next-gen" console probably the PS3. Nevertheless, the PS3 is gonna have a serious uphill battle considering the bad marketing, hefty ticket price and all around great competition from the other platforms.
The Wii should do well because Nintendo's target market probably doesn't demand the kind of intense graphics that the other consoles promise. How many 7-14 year olds are gonna have an HD TV to play Nintendo on anyway?
These console feuds are completely pointless. More people will buy the Wii as their second console then buy either of the other two.
proglodyte
10-31-2006, 04:17 PM
My understanding has always been that the Wii was just a Gamecube with a new controller.
dromeonyourchest
10-31-2006, 04:20 PM
All I care about is Mario Party. Online Mario Party would be the shiat.
mormonrage
10-31-2006, 04:32 PM
I'm not sure where the confusion set in, but for some reason John and Dan think that the Wii is no more graphically powerful than the Gamecube
I think the confusion comes from two key areas:
The quote from Miyamoto that imagineer posted
Jon and Dan both have the power of vision
I think the Wii will prove (or at least aims to prove) for the first time ever that the "next-gen" console's biggest excitement won't be the extreme upgrade in graphics, but the way you play the games. I'm really not a Nintendo or Wii fanboy, but they're trying something new.
They're putting all sorts of games on the Wii like Call of Duty 3, Super Mario, Tony Hawk and plenty of other games that make you say "how the hell will they do that?" due to the strange controller. They're seriously challenging themselves and the game community as a whole. And I still don't know if I'll be buying a Wii (I'm definitely not buying a PS3 or X360 due to expenses and since I already have a good PC) but they get major points for keeping people guessing, and knowing Nintendo, they'll probably deliver.
viscountradu
10-31-2006, 05:01 PM
i am going to say something pretty blasphemous here: i am sick of nintendo and all their silly gimmicks. the wii controller does not excite me, and that is all the console really has going for it. the nintendo ds is better than the psp, but only because the psp is crap... the double-screen and touch capabilities of my ds are hardly used at all in the games i would buy if i had one. it's silly gimmicks like the donkey kong bongos that really keep nintendo afloat.
I agree it can be ridiculous sometimes, the DS seems like they were trying too hard to be different from Sony. But if Nintendo can nail an FPS on the Wii without it being cumbersome and annoying, they get major points for innovation.
mauimac
10-31-2006, 05:25 PM
The ability to browse the internet on the Wii is a plus! Does the 360 or PS3 have this feature (serious question)?
narco
10-31-2006, 05:31 PM
I haven't read too much about the Wii, but someone told me that it can read Gamecube games, so you'll be able to play them with the other controller. If this is true, then maybe that's what Miyamoto meant by it practically being a Gamecube.
satori
10-31-2006, 05:33 PM
I love that the term "next Generation" is still being thrown around when discussing the 360. It's out, it's been out for a while... it's not next gen if it's already out is it. Wii is coming soon... so they can use it for a bit... I get the feeling that sony will be able to use the term until some time in 2009 when they get around to bringing out the PS3. :D
jonathanlondon
10-31-2006, 05:33 PM
I agree it can be ridiculous sometimes, the DS seems like they were trying too hard to be different from Sony. But if Nintendo can nail an FPS on the Wii without it being cumbersome and annoying, they get major points for innovation.
BRING BACK THE LIGHT GUN!!! How cool would that be? If it was retro-looking!?!
And while you're at it... bring back that little robot and the NES-pad for track and field! And f the bongos... how bout a whole drum kit!
I'm all about the crazy new controllers. Are they gimmicky? Who cares as long as they are fun. Who said video games had to be plaid on a gamepad or a mouse? That's like saying sports have to played with a similar ball. Swimming. Javelin. Shotput. Wrestling. Football. Basketball. Baseball. Tennis. Pole vault. BMX. The Slalom!
Games are games.
Yeah dude, I think we just analyze it too much. What if it's just fun? I'm never gonna convert back to a real console gamer. I use my PC for all of my favorite games because I just like PCs. But if I'm at my friend's house and he's playing frickin Mario Party on his Wii and it looks ridiculous and quirky, I'm gonna jump in. That's what games are about! Well, at least Nintendo ones.
dromeonyourchest
10-31-2006, 05:44 PM
BRING BACK THE LIGHT GUN!!! How cool would that be? If it was retro-looking!?!
And while you're at it... bring back that little robot and the NES-pad for track and field! And f the bongos... how bout a whole drum kit!
I'm all about the crazy new controllers. Are they gimmicky? Who cares as long as they are fun. Who said video games had to be plaid on a gamepad or a mouse? That's like saying sports have to played with a similar ball. Swimming. Javelin. Shotput. Wrestling. Football. Basketball. Baseball. Tennis. Pole vault. BMX. The Slalom!
Games are games.
You have been making some crazy references lately, first you compared it to a car and now you comparing it to sports. I can remember you busting some guy name Seumas for making some obscure ass references. Anyhow I'm bitter at DS for f u c king up my thumbs on the DS with mario kart. They put the throttle on the wrong button and I haven't figured a way yet to change it. Other than that I'm excited about making a new friend that I can use just to play his WII.
jonathanlondon
10-31-2006, 05:44 PM
Yeah dude, I think we just analyze it too much. What if it's just fun? I'm never gonna convert back to a real console gamer. I use my PC for all of my favorite games because I just like PCs. But if I'm at my friend's house and he's playing frickin Mario Party on his Wii and it looks ridiculous and quirky, I'm gonna jump in. That's what games are about!
Mario Party on the Wii would be sick. Unless you're playing against Vijay. Then his characters would start flying through walls and crap like that 'cuz you KNOW he's Game Genie-ing that shit.
Mario Party on the Wii would be sick. Unless you're playing against Vijay. Then his characters would start flying through walls and crap like that 'cuz you KNOW he's Game Genie-ing that shit.
I haven't heard anything but dude if they did that Wii would instantly become a party console. Gimme like six people and some Wii Mario Party, and a video camera, and condoms. I think I just planned everyone's Saturday night.
phatlip12
10-31-2006, 05:58 PM
Games> Graphics
ryudo
10-31-2006, 06:11 PM
the Wii uses a enhanced version of the GCN chipsets but the Wii is roughly twice as poweful as the GCN both CPU and GPU.
shaolindrunkard
10-31-2006, 07:45 PM
All I was clarifying was that the Wii will indeed have enhanced graphics over the gamecube. If you think about the fact that a game like re4 was originally on the gamecube. Knowing that it twice as powerful doesnt sound that bad to me, true they cannot compete with 360 and Ps3, but I dont think they are going in that direction. I just wanted the guys to know that the Wii is more powerful graphically than the gamecube. :) All you have to do is look at some of the third party titles coming out like call of duty and far cry. Yeas they dont even come close to 360 or Ps3, but it is better than gamecube, and in general it will be a different experience.
point5o
10-31-2006, 07:55 PM
The ability to browse the internet on the Wii is a plus! Does the 360 or PS3 have this feature (serious question)?
Not sure about the 360 but the PS3 has a browser.
i am going to say something pretty blasphemous here: i am sick of nintendo and all their silly gimmicks. the wii controller does not excite me, and that is all the console really has going for it. the nintendo ds is better than the psp, but only because the psp is crap... the double-screen and touch capabilities of my ds are hardly used at all in the games i would buy if i had one. it's silly gimmicks like the donkey kong bongos that really keep nintendo afloat.
Silly gimmicks keep Nintendo afloat? Get da fuck outta da drome with that bullshit. Donkey Konga wasn't a 100th as popular as Guitar Hero. It's the games that keep Nintendo afloat: Pokemon, Mario, Zelda, Tetris, Metroid. Nintendo makes video game hardware and software...that's it. They don't have an alternate agenda, such as pushing its proprietary format on consumers, like some other companies. PSP is not crap, but it is a tech gadget for hipsters and not a pure geek gaming device. The DS has so many more good games for it and they're games that a wide age and skill range can play.
I agree it can be ridiculous sometimes, the DS seems like they were trying too hard to be different from Sony. But if Nintendo can nail an FPS on the Wii without it being cumbersome and annoying, they get major points for innovation.
FPS is the least innovative genre, but Red Steel should be a good 1st attempt on the Wii.
guano
10-31-2006, 08:18 PM
BRING BACK THE LIGHT GUN!!! How cool would that be? If it was retro-looking!?!
They have brought it back.
http://www.gamesarefun.com/consoles/wii/zapper1.jpg
FPS is the least innovative genre, but Red Steel should be a good 1st attempt on the Wii.
I should've clarified what I meant actually. I meant if they can nail the CONTROLS without the game being cumbersome and annoying, it would be pretty impressive. We all know there are rabid believers in console FPS and pc FPS, and which has the better control system (PC, duh). With a totally new controller, it's like starting all over.
Any game that demands full control all of the time, as opposed to an RPG like final fantasy in which you can literally play the whole game with like, circle.
point5o
10-31-2006, 08:25 PM
With a totally new controller, it's like starting all over.
This is what worries me about games like Red Steel and Metroid Prime on Wii. There's obviously going to be a learning curve with those games. Will people invest the time and give the games a chance or rush to dismiss them because of the frustration of learning the controls.
*drops dollar in totally gay bucket*Liar. You should paypal JLo a buck.
tarmanydyn
11-01-2006, 12:26 AM
Not sure about the 360 but the PS3 has a browser.
Yeah, and it's Firefox, suck it Wii (Opera) :P
tarmanydyn
11-01-2006, 02:20 AM
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061031-8112.html
Back in August, a set of alleged specs were leaked for the IBM-designed "Broadway" CPU that forms the brains of Nintendo's forthcoming Wii console. I took a look at what the leaked information said about Broadway's microarchitecture, and noted that this exact same information applied to the GameCube's CPU, codenamed Gekko. Because the leaked specs for Broadway were identical for Gekko's specs, I offered the following evaluation:
There are clearly two options here:
1. The MaxConsole specs are someone's idea of a joke.
2. The Wii really is just an overclocked GameCube with a DVD player, in which case the joke's on Nintendo.
It appears that, contrary to what I ultimately concluded in the original post, the correct answer is behind door number two.
His words not mine, but either way, the guy is getting a Wii, and so am I.
shaolindrunkard
11-01-2006, 02:32 AM
I'm getting one too, but I can already see that theres decent jump in graphical power, I've seen Call of duty 3 running on the thing and it sure as hell couldn't happen on the Gamecube. If you have to compare it to the other 2 platforms sure it looks like shit, but if you compare it to the gmaecube it looks great. By the way. The Wii doesnt have a dvd player. :)
satori
11-01-2006, 06:09 AM
is this the Sony sucks hairy sausage thread? Wii is going to be great. I'm going to dress up as an 10 year old and get really high so I can figure out what it's like to be the target audience.
Where's seaumus when I need him.
darksydeavenger
11-01-2006, 07:41 AM
I'd have to agree with Alex's hesitancy on the Wii price. I would have stood in line and bought it for $149. Where it's at right now, I'll wait a while...maybe even buy refurbished months later.
sugarsickness
11-01-2006, 08:16 AM
Yeah, and it's Firefox, suck it Wii (Opera) :Pthat alone makes me want a wii over PS3 :\
guano
11-01-2006, 08:27 AM
that alone makes me want a wii over PS3 :\
Why? Those browsers are almost identical. And I doubt they'll resemble their computer counterparts.
Where's seaumus when I need him.
That was a joke, right?
sloppybunny
11-01-2006, 10:04 AM
Well, if we look at the DS vs PSP. The DS is waaaay on the lower scale of graphics. Obvious yard stick is the two versions of Ridge Racer, which are basically a generation appart.
When the DS was launched it looked ugly, the games looked primitive and I thought Nintendo lost it against Sony again.
2 years down the track, the system has a sexy apple design look, the games still look kinda ugly, but they are a heap of fun and original. If I was going two buy either I would still go for the PSP, mainly because I like racing games, and Outrun 2006 and Ridge racer are still cream of the crop and virtua tennis is also brill.
So with this in mind I think people are going to lap up the Wii. It's a third of the price of the PS3 (right?) the games will be cheaper, and I doubt the market searching for a Mario or a Super Monkey Ball game will notice the lack of graphic fancy of something like the new Unreal Games.
Personally I think Jet Set Radio on the Dreamcast still looks class, and that's a game that's labeled very old.
baulsaak
11-01-2006, 01:49 PM
OMG, finally woke up from my "crunch mode" induced coma and thought I'd get back on the forums.
I don't understand how $50 difference makes or breaks the console price when it was already $200. Maybe it's just me, but $50 doesn't seem like that much difference, I'll have to pay an additional $37.50 in taxes alone.
My roommate used to play with the bongos and he said they were really fun. People are getting tired of simulating things with keyboards and game controllers, which is why people think Guitar Hero, etc are really fun when all your doing is playing a different type of dance dance revolution. I love that people say the keyboard and mouse are the best for FPS, the best would be a real-looking gun that shot in the direction you aimed, but how do you move and the same time? And how do you select different weapons and grenades, etc? So they settle with the controls that have the most buttons, I understand that.
No matter how you play the game or what the game intails, if you are having fun doing it, it's a great game.
I've never been a big fan of FPS games, but I'd love to play some more laser tag or paint ball, I'd rather do some physical games instead of sitting in a room barely moving other than my hands, but I understand that others like to do that.
Anyway, I'm moving to another office at work, so I'll get back to forums on a more regular basis later.
sloppybunny
11-01-2006, 02:01 PM
Actually an FPS for Wii would be awesome! Get a lightgun to shoot and use that Analog stick/joystick pad I've seen to move around. Hold the trigger button to either strafe or look around.
I think the Wii Metroid will be too cool!
axolotl
11-01-2006, 05:05 PM
Guys, the Wii is like a Gamecube in the same exact way your Pentium II 400 Mhz is like your Core 2 Duo system. Yes, they're the same basic architecture, but every component has been upgraded from the previous version (except for maybe the sound card, but that isn't that big of a deal anyway).
For a graphical comparison, check this link:
http://gonext.blogspot.com/2006/10/wiigamecube-comparision-of-cars.html
Sure, it isn't an ENORMOUS jump in quality, but it certainly isn't the exact same system with a new controller. Miyamoto's quote was just referring to the fact that no software emulation or anything would be necessary to run Gamecube software on the Wii.
tinygrasshopper
11-01-2006, 05:50 PM
When it was said that the Wii is just a Gamecube that is referring to the CPU architecturally. It doesn't mean that the specs on it aren't faster. Or that the graphics won't be better. They certainly won't be up to a 360 or PS3 because it's not a more advanced chip. It's just a faster version of it, like an overclocked Gamecube so to speak. ArsTechnica has a report here (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061031-8112.html)
None of this matters because they don't want to innovate on graphics. They want to shift the user interface paradigm, which is no simple task. It's easy to say that it's just a GC with a new controller but they spent most of their time making games that could work with it, which is where the $250 is really going.
jonathanlondon
11-01-2006, 05:51 PM
IGN.com has a list today on the Wii launch titles. Get stoked. There are about 6 on there that I want.
Too bad the money will go to rent instead.
sugarsickness
11-01-2006, 06:21 PM
Why? Those browsers are almost identical. And I doubt they'll resemble their computer counterparts.No, they are not almost identical. Also, I wonder why you would say they wouldn't resemble their computer counterparts on a CONSOLE system. On a handheld I could see why they may not but on a console I can't understand why they wouldn't atleast resemble them.
imagineer99
11-01-2006, 06:34 PM
I looked at the launch titles. Zelda is the only game I find worthy of excitement. Everything else is sort of *blah.*
I think I'm gonna wait until next year to jump on the Wii bandwagon. By then, hopefully the price drops fifty bucks.
divadawg9234
11-01-2006, 10:00 PM
I looked at the launch titles. Zelda is the only game I find worthy of excitement. Everything else is sort of *blah.*
I think I'm gonna wait until next year to jump on the Wii bandwagon. By then, hopefully the price drops fifty bucks.
ditto... I was a psyched for my Wii but now I'm not so much :( I do have a question though... I'm getting mixed impressions of what the Wii and the DS can do together. Can anyone clear that up for me?
sandstone
11-01-2006, 10:04 PM
Am i the only one who thinks playing zelda on the WII looks so goddamn stupid?!?!?! I loved windwaker but screw that swinging remote crap
xxxthundercatxxx
11-01-2006, 11:40 PM
Nobody wants a Gamecube and everybody wants a Wii. That's the biggest difference between the consoles, and its the only one that matters.
baulsaak
11-02-2006, 05:40 PM
I own a Gamecube, I loved mario sunshine, I have both metroids, but never got very far before something would come up and I couldn't play it for a few months, then I'd forget what was going on. Biggest problem with Gamecube was the memory card was too small, I'm always deleting old save games to start new ones. I have Windwaker but haven't had time to play it yet, I only just beat the Ocarina of Time, that I got when I bought Windwaker, last month. My roommate said Windwaker was really good until the end, but people *****ed a lot about it when it first came out because of the cell shading, but in the end it was just fun.
Overall, I'll probably buy the Wii when they have a game available in a bundle at costco, I'd love a party game with it.
ryudo
11-02-2006, 05:43 PM
Nobody wants a Gamecube and everybody wants a Wii. That's the biggest difference between the consoles, and its the only one that matters.
Quoted for truth.
Also people can check this link for some GCN Wii comparisons in visuals.
http://www.ngcfrance.com/news.php?operande=0&idx=6119&r=1
avcabob
11-02-2006, 07:31 PM
I'm getting mixed impressions of what the Wii and the DS can do together. Can anyone clear that up for me?
I'm pretty sure that's going to be different for every game so it's kinda hard to say want can be done generally. I don't really remember much talk about what the gamecube and GBA could do together until games that used it started coming out.
And about the power of the Wii, Nintendo has proved in the past that game play wins over console power. The original gameboy lasted forever and beat out several competitors over the years, and most of the time, those competitors were much better hardware wise, but the games just weren't fun.
jonathanlondon
11-02-2006, 07:39 PM
Let's talk games you want.
Off the list that I saw, my launch wish list at the moment is:
- Zelda (goes without saying)
- Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (because it's gonna rock with the controller)
- Monkey Ball (I can only imagine how this is gonna roll with the new controls... could be great)
- Wii Sports (I dunno if I'd have bought this otherwise but it's something I can play with Laura and that'll be cool).
Of course, I definitely want some Mario Galaxies and Metroid. We'll see what happens... I'm stoked. I would love to see a new Pikmin game!
xxxthundercatxxx
11-02-2006, 09:29 PM
Let's talk games you want.
Off the list that I saw, my launch wish list at the moment is:
- Zelda (goes without saying)
- Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (because it's gonna rock with the controller)
- Monkey Ball (I can only imagine how this is gonna roll with the new controls... could be great)
- Wii Sports (I dunno if I'd have bought this otherwise but it's something I can play with Laura and that'll be cool).
Of course, I definitely want some Mario Galaxies and Metroid. We'll see what happens... I'm stoked. I would love to see a new Pikmin game!
Rumour has it that Wii Sports and Wiiplay will both be bundled in the U.S console. Otherwise the only way to get this game is to purchase a second Wii-mote which most will be doing anyways. I keep hearing that Elebits is the game to get if you liked Pikmin too. I said before in another post, but most Gamestop/Ebgames that will be getting demo units should have them already or will be getting them early next week.
My Wishlist is as follows-
Zelda
Red Steel
Excite Truck
Warioware
Rayman
darksydeavenger
11-02-2006, 09:34 PM
I'm mainly looking forward to the Zelda game and Red Steel.
sloppybunny
11-03-2006, 12:33 AM
Quoted for truth.
Also people can check this link for some GCN Wii comparisons in visuals.
http://www.ngcfrance.com/news.php?operande=0&idx=6119&r=1
I don't think anybody is buying a Wii for graphics, but mainly for gaming experience.
Still the Graphics between the Wii and the GC like comparing XBOX and the PS2 not much really.
Still monkey ball is an insaneely fun game game taylor made for the wacky controller. If the DS can sell millions in innovations/gimmicks I think this is Nintendos best chance. Anyway I still think some Dreamcast games are pretty :P