Time to retire "rote"...

[Doc Samson]

After listening to almost 6 hours of iFanboy podcasting goodness over the weekend driving to and fro, I've decided that a. listening to the "trade" version of the show is indeed still awesome and b. the word "rote" needs to be retired just like "awesome" supposedly was.

[Labor_Days]

Don't really recall the iFanboys saying "rote" overmuch.

No need to retire the word though. It's perfectly fine as a word.

[JAFlanagan]

I'm shocked - SHOCKED - that more people haven't seized on our iFanboyisms. We all do it.

But I don't think rote is one of the most obvious choices. C'mon, you guys must know others.

[Thomas Katers]

I'm shocked - SHOCKED - that more people haven't seized on our iFanboyisms. We all do it.

But I don't think rote is one of the most obvious choices. C'mon, you guys must know others.


I find your use of the word "the" troubling.

[JAFlanagan]

Tom, do you have something you say all the time on the shows that you catch yourself saying?

I say "ostensible" too much.

Apparently, I'm also a tough critic.

[Thomas Katers]

Tom, do you have something you say all the time on the shows that you catch yourself saying?

I say "ostensible" too much.

Apparently, I'm also a tough critic.


Not so much words but I hate the rhythm of my own voice. I have this sort of stop and start thing I wish I could rid of...mostly it is because I am fighting the "Uhhss" and "You knows"

I do notice I use the word "romp" alot.

[horatio616]

I don't remember hearing "rote" very much. Maybe he means "wrote", which is really a necessary word for a comics podcast.

[Doc Samson]

I don't remember hearing "rote" very much. Maybe he means "wrote", which is really a necessary word for a comics podcast.

Very funny. But really it's there a lot, especially if you listen to 4 or 5 shows in a row like I did this weekend. I'm also still a month behind, maybe it's slowed down some...;)

[JAFlanagan]

I think we were just trying not to say "boring."

[esophagus]

I've noticed the name "Darrell" popping up at the tail end of a lot of shows. :rolleyes:

[comhcinc]

i'm too busy taking in all the ifanboy coolness to notice the overuse of any word.

for myself, i over use the words ''tend'',''anal'', and ''jaunty''.

[esophagus]

for myself, i over use the words ''anal''.
How many times in a day can anal possibly come up in conversation?

[comhcinc]

How many times in a day can anal possibly come up in conversation?
at school every conversation involves anal at some point and at work almost every other conversation will involve anal.........so at least 50, 60 times a day, not counting the bar during happy hour.

anal is easy, jaunty is the one i have to work at.

[itsbecca]

How many times in a day can anal possibly come up in conversation?

It could come up quite often if you work with someone who is particularly fastidious. Where's your mind at?

[comhcinc]

Where's your mind at?

in the gutter.

[esophagus]

It could come up quite often if you work with someone who is particularly fastidious. Where's your mind at?Come on. I'm the only one? But? Damn. :eek:

No one's "particularly fastidious" 50-60 times a day. That's just crazy talk.

[comhcinc]

my days are spent around musicians at school and rocket engineers at work. so yeah there is a lot of crazy around me.

[esophagus]

my days are spent around musicians at school and rocket engineers at work. so yeah there is a lot of crazy around me.A rocket engineer going to school to be a musician? Shouldn't it be the other way around?

God damn your life is crazy.

[comhcinc]

i'm not an engineer, i deal in information mostly classifled. i act as a go between for my company and the government. mostly i sit in my office and write email and make phone calls, but form time to time i get to play carrier and personally take hardcopy between hometown and washington dc

[JAFlanagan]

I only use the word "jaunty" in conjunction with the word "hat".

[comhcinc]

i always wear a hat, but i also use "jaunty" with "walk", "style", "anal", "tasty little fish" and "jig"

like i said "jaunty" is hard but i tend to make it a point.

[Euchre0]

"Rendered" or "rendering." I wouldn't say I hear it too much on the podcast, but I hear it enough to think, "What does he mean by that?" Usually it is used as "over rendered." What does this mean? I know it has to do with drawing, but when I looked it up in my dictionary, that was pretty much the definition: "a drawing or sketch." I can understand in context because usually it is in reference to Michael Turner or Silvestri or Ed Benes. Does this term have special meaning in the comicbook community?

[kahunablair]

Does this term have special meaning in the comicbook community?

Yeah it does. Were you reading in the 90s? OverRendering pretty much means the artist is putting way too much detail into the drawing. For example, you could have someone who covers ever inch of Superman with cross hatching.

[Euchre0]

so why isn't John Romita Jr. synonymous with over rendering? He cross hatches everything, yet doesn't seem to be associate with those other artists.

Or, if it deals with detail, why isn't Bryan hitch accused of over rendering?

[ConorKilpatrick]

so why isn't John Romita Jr. synonymous with over rendering? He cross hatches everything, yet doesn't seem to be associate with those other artists.

Or, if it deals with detail, why isn't Bryan hitch accused of over rendering?

Neither one of those artists draw in the over rendered style of the 90s.

See: While Portacio, Rob Liefeld, Michael Turner, etc.

[kahunablair]

I see where my example stunk, so please excuse it. I'll try to find some examples online to show you what it's referring to.

Over-rendering is kind of a "You'll know it when you see it" deal.

[Euchre0]

To be fair, I pretty much always know, in context, what they are talking about because I did read throughout the 90s. I see how silvestri, Liefeld, Portacio, etc. all have similarities, so I guess I was just wondering why the term applied to them, or, more to the point, how the term originated. I'm sure there is no exact time where it was coined, so I suppose there isn't really an answer. I was jsut curious about the term.

[kahunablair]

Gotcha.
It really is a hard one to describe, so I'm happy you at least understand that.

Over Rendering can be one of those major hangups for an artist. A lot of them just aren't ever satisfied with their product. So they tend to constantly add more and more, trying to make things "better".
If you read/listen to interviews with Artists, a bunch of them admit that is the hardest part of drawing comics. Sometimes you just have to walk away from a peice.

The flip side of "over-rendering" is that it's just some artist's style. Silvestri and Leifeld both fall into that catergory.

[Euchre0]

thanks for explaining.

Just curious (and I realize this is getting further of topic) but are there any more terms, whether negative, Positive, or neutral that can be applied to artists of a certain style?

For instance, Maleev and Lark seem very similar to me, with Aja looking kind of similar as well. Is there a term for that type of drawing?

I can think of "photo referencing" like Greg Land and sometimes Deodato. Any others out there in comicbook land?

[JGG0610]

Come on. I'm the only one? But? Damn. :eek:

No one's "particularly fastidious" 50-60 times a day. That's just crazy talk.
You obviously don't work with a lot of accountants, cpa's in particular, he says being one himself. As a group, we're a pretty fastidious lot.

[paper]

I'll bite.

Of my many hours of listening to the podcast, the most abused word is....

*Drum roll*

"Admittedly"

[JGG0610]

I'll bite.

Of my many hours of listening to the podcast, the most abused word is....

*Drum roll*

"Admittedly"
I can get behind "Admittedly" a lot easier than "Rote" but still the landslide winner has to be Ron's "Awesome"

[paper]

"Awesome" serves a purpose though. It's a chapter marker.

Wish I could remember the episode from way, way back when Conor deduced that it was Ron's way of closing out a topic in order to move on to something he'd rather talk about.

"Awesome" = "That's about enough Fables/Batman for me..."

[JGG0610]

"Awesome" serves a purpose though. It's a chapter marker.

Wish I could remember the episode from way, way back when Conor deduced that it was Ron's way of closing out a topic in order to move on to something he'd rather talk about.

"Awesome" = "That's about enough Fables/Batman for me..."
I had completely forgotton about that.


I can't believe we have a thread of nothing but the most common words from the podcast.

[ConorKilpatrick]

Awesome .

[RaceMcCloud]

at school every conversation involves anal at some point and at work almost every other conversation will involve anal...

I wish I was above commenting on this... but I'm not.

*ahem* <--- (clearing throat)

"Boy, that must be painful!"

Thank you! Thank you! Or, conversely... I apologize.

[RaceMcCloud]

Man, I'm blanking a little bit here, but I know there's something I always notice Ron say/mumble, usually when he's making a point that he feels people won't agree with; I think it's just simply, "You know..."

It's there, it's half under his breath, it's constant... is that the right quote?

Also, Conor has one that he lets slip into his speech all the time; what is it again? Oh, that's right, I remember: "Marvel sucks hard." That's it.

[RaceMcCloud]

"So." Ron always says, "So". And he says it like he doesn't quite believe the point he's just made.