Indiana Jones 4 - Children of Dune ripoff?

[mrhaines]

Ok I am not sure if I should be mad or not. Is it normal to use music from other sources like this for a trailer? The first minute of the Indiana Jones 4 trailer is straight from the Children of Dune Soundtrack.

[iccanui]

Thats just epic ambient music. I dont have a track for track comparison, but it just doesnt seems like a movie specific track. Children of Dune is one of my fav movies/series too, but it just seems like a generic track.

[mrhaines]

Nope, this is chord for chord directly from the soudntrack. It isn't just a clip from Children of Dune, it is the main theme song of Children of Dune. It would be like anothe sci-fi movie using the star trek anthem and calling it generic sci-fi music. I have seen it done before...braveheart music used in other trailers. I just didn't think Indiana Jones would do it...seems sort of cheap.

[masherscf]

Slow down! The "Children of Dune" soundtrack is a very popular choice for trailer producers wanting to create a certain ambiance. It's almost certain that the actual soundtrack for IJ4 has not been completed. Why they didn;t use music from the first three is beyond me...

Anyhow, they've used that "Children of Dune" music on many, many trailers. Other popular soundtracks used for trailers are "Rudy", "Back Draft" and "Space Quest"

[mrhaines]

Yeah I guess I just didn't expect it from Indiana Jones. It would be like Star Wars using the Children of Dune soundtrack in their trailer. Seems weird and unnecessary since IJ has such an epic soundtrack of its own.

[masherscf]

Yeah I guess I just didn't expect it from Indiana Jones. It would be like Star Wars using the Children of Dune soundtrack in their trailer. Seems weird and unnecessary since IJ has such an epic soundtrack of its own.

After watching it, I agree.

My only guess is that they didn't want to tip their hand too soon. Even if a person didn't recognize the Indiana Jones Imagery, The music is unmistakable. The trailer kinds of draws you in like "What is this..." then when Indy appears, you know. There seems to be a fair amount of self parody in the trailer. I hope they don;t go overboard.

BTW, It is "Children of Dune," It's very recognizable.

[mrhaines]

I can see that in the context of the trailer they didn't want to reveal that it was IJ until he actually appeared which makes sense. I guess it is only a small demographic (such as the memebers of this forum) who would recognize Children of Dune. I guess it came down to the money. 2 options:

1) Write generic intro music that no one will recognize for lots of money
2) Use something like Children of Dune and piss off a few people but save money.

I just hope that this isn't a signal that they are going to be obviously cutting costs in other areas...this is one strike in the "I am making this movie to pad my retirement fund" category.

[mltvcocktail]

Lots of trailers use other music until the official score is completed, it's nothing to get upset about. For example, check out the band E.S. Posthumus, they make "Epic Classical" music and they've been licensed by every TV and Film studio. Their songs have been used for movie trailers like the first Pirates, Minority Report, Two Towers and Planet of the Apes. Also the theme for Cold Case.

[dannyt]

I can see that in the context of the trailer they didn't want to reveal that it was IJ until he actually appeared which makes sense. I guess it is only a small demographic (such as the memebers of this forum) who would recognize Children of Dune. I guess it came down to the money. 2 options:

1) Write generic intro music that no one will recognize for lots of money
2) Use something like Children of Dune and piss off a few people but save money.

I just hope that this isn't a signal that they are going to be obviously cutting costs in other areas...this is one strike in the "I am making this movie to pad my retirement fund" category.

Hey dude,

So I would say 90% of the trailers you've seen from the 90's on have had music from other movies, and if they haven't had music from other movies they were rips done OR they were cues made specifically for trailers that they re-use all the time.

You happened to recognize a score that you liked but trust me, this isn't just commonplace it's practically industry standard.

1) generic music totally cheapens the feel of the trailer, usually the only flicks that do this are b-rate horror movies (something LIKE a Primeval or what have you)

2) they aren't saving any money to my knowledge and I doubt they are pissing anybody off...I don't even really get why it pisses you off, because you know it?

Name a trailer you like, I'll tell you where the cue is from...

[mrhaines]

Hey dude,

So I would say 90% of the trailers you've seen from the 90's on have had music from other movies, and if they haven't had music from other movies they were rips done OR they were cues made specifically for trailers that they re-use all the time.

You happened to recognize a score that you liked but trust me, this isn't just commonplace it's practically industry standard.

1) generic music totally cheapens the feel of the trailer, usually the only flicks that do this are b-rate horror movies (something LIKE a Primeval or what have you)

2) they aren't saving any money to my knowledge and I doubt they are pissing anybody off...I don't even really get why it pisses you off, because you know it?

Name a trailer you like, I'll tell you where the cue is from...

Perhaps it only pissed me off because it felt like my "children of dune" world was intruding on my sacred "Indiana Jones" world. To me, Indiana Jones is not just a movie but a whole fictional universe that exists in my head and using music that was familiar to me other than that which is from Indiana Jones sort of broke the mystique a little.

your explanantion does make sense though, and if they used epic music that was a little more generic or at least unfamiliar to me, I probably wouldn't have noticed or cared.

[KilroyPerrywinkle]

LOTR trailers had borrowed music in them all over the place... I'm with Dan, this just just the way goes.

Movie looks great though.... I was skeptical about it but now I'm totally hooked. I love the the series and hope this isn't the last one.

[masherscf]

I guess the question is, with a collection of IJ soundtracks music that didn't need to cleared, why use the other score at all? The question is an artistic one, not procedural one.

[KilroyPerrywinkle]

Uh... its just a trailer. I mean its not like this going to win best picture, they did it cheap and fast and used whatever music the trailer company had available. Artistic issues? Remember the last movie? The one with the guy in a fedora and a whip saving the f'n holy grail from NAZIS?

Me thinks you hope too much.

[masherscf]

they did it cheap and fast and used whatever music the trailer company had available.

This is my point. Think about it. They're making a trailer for an Indiana Jones movie where they have license to use all the music and images from the previous trilogy. The music was available. Indeed, that music is in the trailer.

It was neither quicker nor cheaper to clear the music from a second source. It was a definite artistic choice on the part of the person who cut the trailer.

I also, think it is effective. It would have been cheaper and quicker to use the music from one source that was already cleared. However, the producer of the trailer felt strongly enough about using this other music.

[DarthEnder]

Is it normal to use music from other sources like this for a trailer?Yes, it is.

I hear music from Gladiator's soundtrack in trailers all the time.

[mrhaines]

Yes, it is.

I hear music from Gladiator's soundtrack in trailers all the time.

Yeah come to think of it I have heard this a lot too. I guess they use music that they know is proven to pull at peoples emotion strings. As a trailer is a marketing tool, I guess artistic merit wasn't the main motivation. Its too bad because I have seen some damn artistic trailers that sell the movie really well but respect the character of the movie.

I know people will say they used that music out of artistic merit, but I really think it was a marketing choice.

With that said, I still want to see it...really badly! Damn you marketers and your proven tactics!!!!

[DarthEnder]

Well, you also have to remember that the artist puts different music to each scene. With a trailer being made up of a bunch of cut up scenes, staying true to the artists vision means the music would have to change every couple seconds during the trailer.

It's better off just picking one song that fits the mood of the trailer. And its not worth composing a new song just for a trailer.

[mrhaines]

I should mention that all of my comments are coming from the guy who was arguing whether he was even going to watch the trailer or not...

I am a pawn of the Indiana Jones franchise!