How to say Solder

[charlas]

Just a quick one, and I mean no offense by this, but why do American's say sauter instead of solder?

Love Systm (thanks guys), but whenever your on about soldering stuff, it really grates when you say sauter, instead of solder. I just don't know why? you spell it the same as Europe, and I know no-one else that says it the same way.

When I first heard someone use the word, I thought they meant something quite different, perhaps a new bonding technique, but nope, when I saw him do it, it was just soldering, same as I do.

Anyone know where it came from?

Cheers, and keep up the good show, but can we have a translated version for us outside the USA ;)

[lordbyron]

some say milk others say melk, ect, ect. ect

[charlas]

I suppose, just seems to be such a large difference for such an easy word?

[tokenuser]

Eddie Izzard has a good take on this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IzDbNFDdP4) ...

9IzDbNFDdP4

To paraphrase ...

You say "sodda" ... and we say "soLder" ... because there is a fucking L in it.

[lordbyron]

You say "sodda" ... and we say "soLder" ... because there is a fucking L in it.

Knife has a k in it but you say it like nife

[pdg45acp]

I've been saying it since 1963... I say .. sa.. der..

Have I been saying it wrong???

[masherscf]

(sold·er) (sod´ər) [L. solidatio making solid, fastening] 1. a fusible metal or alloy of metals used to unite pieces of metals with higher fusion temperatures. 2. to fasten together pieces of metal through the use of this material.


looks like the "L" is silent to me... like "sodder"

[tokenuser]

(sold·er) (sod´ər) [L. solidatio making solid, fastening] 1. a fusible metal or alloy of metals used to unite pieces of metals with higher fusion temperatures. 2. to fasten together pieces of metal through the use of this material.


looks like the "L" is silent to me... like "sodder"
solder

/sold<funny upside down e thing>r, sol-/

• noun a low-melting alloy, especially one based on lead and tin, used for joining less fusible metals.

• verb join with solder.

— ORIGIN Old French soudure, from Latin solidare ‘fasten together’.

... L is definately present (stupid American English).

[masherscf]

solder

/sold<funny upside down e thing>r, sol-/

• noun a low-melting alloy, especially one based on lead and tin, used for joining less fusible metals.

• verb join with solder.

— ORIGIN Old French soudure, from Latin solidare ‘fasten together’.

... L is definitely present (stupid American English).

It's like the "H" in "Whales." You throw in just a hint of it.

[drandolph]

You could just use terminal plates and quick clamp connectors and avoid solder all together :D

[tokenuser]

You could just use terminal plates and quick clamp connectors and avoid solder all together :DSo would that be pronounced as "termina pates" and "quick camp connectors"?

[serafina]

So would that be

You dont pronounce the L in "would" either...

English has no logic, we all know this already. ;)

[tokenuser]

You dont pronounce the L in "would" either...

English has no logic, we all know this already. ;)Sure you do, its subtle ... but if it wasn't there, you would pronouce it as something rhyming with loud.

[serafina]

Sure you do, its subtle ... but if it wasn't there, you would pronouce it as something rhyming with loud.


AH! SUBTLE! SILENT "B"! Rhyme has a silent H! They're everywhere!

[kickarse]

And not pronouncing the eee's at the end of words like "like".

[masherscf]

AH! SUBTLE! SILENT "B"! Rhyme has a silent H! They're everywhere!

It's not exactly silent. It a combination sound like "Tr" in "Train" or "Th" in "there". In both those words, you think about saying the letter. In "Rhyme" you make the "H" and "R" at the same time. In "everywhere" you do "W" and "H" at the same time.

Most people can't even hear the difference.

[serafina]

It's not exactly silent. It a combination sound like "Tr" in "Train" or "Th" in "there". In both those words, you think about saying the letter. In "Rhyme" you make the "H" and "R" at the same time. In "everywhere" you do "W" and "H" at the same time.

Most people can't even hear the difference.

I understand what you're saying, but I disagree in the case of "rhyme". If "rime" were a word, I would pronounce it exactly the same as "rhyme". Maybe it's just my dialect.

[tokenuser]

I understand what you're saying, but I disagree in the case of "rhyme". If "rime" were a word, I would pronounce it exactly the same as "rhyme". Maybe it's just my dialect.If it were spelt (yes, that is an acceptable spelling for spelled) "Rime", I'd pronounce it to rhyme with "dime". Thing is though that the "r" sound by itself is hard, while "rh" is more breathy, and softens the sound.

[serafina]

Yep, rhyme, rime, dime... in my dialect, at least, they're all the same.

Either way, though, the L in solder isn't completely silent either. It gives that hint of it.

[tokenuser]

I think its funny that Americans have no problem pronouncing the L in soldier, but can't squeeze it in to solder.

I am Australian and we are notorious for dropping letters from words when we speak, and not even an Aussie drops the L in solder, or the H in herbs :)

[masherscf]

I understand what you're saying, but I disagree in the case of "rhyme". If "rime" were a word, I would pronounce it exactly the same as "rhyme". Maybe it's just my dialect.

Undoubtedly, you also pronounce "Whales" the mammal like "Wales" the country or "where" like "wear."

However, if you can't hear the difference, there's no reason pronounce it differently. It's a fact that certain Asian listeners can't hear some sounds made in western speech. And, likewise, many African tongues contain sounds that westerners can't hear.

But, there are people around here that pronounce "ask" as "axe" and "frustrated" as "fustrated" ... The nearly inaudible slip between "Rime" and "Rhyme" doesn't seem so serious.

Indeed, listeners often complete mis-heard words by inserting sounds mentally that they expected to hear. Unless someone is specifically looking for the difference with a recorded playback, they're never likely ever to pick it up. My mom is a professor of public speaking and pounded proper diction into us.

[tokenuser]

But, there are people around here that pronounce "ask" as "axe" and "frustrated" as "fustrated" ... Not to mention certain people that can't say nuclear (http://www.43things.com/things/view/509202/teach-president-bush-how-to-pronounce-nuclear) correctly (even if Websters say it is an acceptable variant (http://www.slate.com/id/2071155/sidebar/2071156/) ... but who trusts a liberal hippie dictionary like that anyway. OED all the way.)

[lordbyron]

well then there are the people like me from the south we just make up words to save time.

yall
yanto
reckin

and so on

[kronos6948]

I think this video is germane to the subject...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zZ3fjQa5Hls

[serafina]

I think this video is germane to the subject...

Yes, yes, very much yes.

[xibalba]

Yall need to lern to spek merican

http://www.amazon.com/Jeff-Foxworthys-Redneck-Dictionary-Thought/dp/0345493273/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206727238&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/Jeff-Foxworthys-Redneck-Dictionary-II/dp/1400065682/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206727238&sr=8-3
http://www.amazon.com/Jeff-Foxworthys-Redneck-Dictionary-III/dp/0345498488/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206727238&sr=8-2

[slonkak]

/ˈsɒdər/ [sod-er] - Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/solder)

(säd′ər) - YourDictionary.com (http://www.yourdictionary.com/solder)

(sod'er) - TheFreeDictionary.com (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/solder)

[ sóddər ] - MSN Encarta (http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/solder.html)


Are those enough dictionaries to show that you don't pronounce the "L?" :rolleyes:

[tokenuser]

I could also throw out links to the Oxford English Dictionary (OED) - THE source used by linguists for pronunciation, the Cambridge Dictionary, Britannica, Websters, etc.

They all say that the L is pronounced in the english language.

[slonkak]

They all say that the L is pronounced in the english language.

s/english/brittish english/

Bottom line, this is an American show, by an American company, with American talent. If the show was made with Brittish people (or other people who use mainly Brittish pronunciations), I'm sure they would pronounce the "L." But it's not. The Brittish also spell "color" with a "U." They are not to be trusted :p

[tokenuser]

s/english/brittish english/

Bottom line, this is an American show, by an American company, with American talent. If the show was made with Brittish people (or other people who use mainly Brittish pronunciations), I'm sure they would pronounce the "L." But it's not. The Brittish also spell "color" with a "U." They are not to be trusted :pThe U is also used in a large number of countries, such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Ireland ... actually any country settled by the British where a guy didn't say "English language be damned, we'll change all the rules and make our our language" (thank Noah Webster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webster's_Dictionary#19th-_and_early_20th-century_editions) for that stroke of genius :rolleyes: - my guess is that he just couldn't spell).

[serafina]

Language evolves. It's not static. Different countries, different dialects. Suggesting one is more right than another is ridiculous.

[lordbyron]

Does it really matter how it its pronounced. Its the same thing no matter how it is said.

[murphy1d]

Cool Whyip.
I love me some Cool Whyip.

[tokenuser]

Cool Whyip.
I love me some Cool Whyip.
Throw me the whip ...
Throw me the idol ...

[charlas]

Wow, this post got busy!

I was not saying one way or the other was wrong, just curious why such a seemingly simple word got so skewed by the American dialect.

It is quite an annoying word though when said sauter/sodder, but hey, life goes on.

[patrick-revision3-com]

Here's a thought. I'll pronounce aluminum in the UK fashion from here on out. You know:

al-ooooo-min-eye-um

to make up for my pronunciation of solder!

[charlas]

Here's a thought. I'll pronounce aluminum in the UK fashion from here on out. You know:

al-ooooo-min-eye-um

to make up for my pronunciation of solder!

Cheers Patrick, that would be good, that was another one I've never understood properly, you still spell it aluminium don't you? or is it spelled aluminum in the states?

If it's spelled different, then I don't mind it being pronounced different, what gets me with with the whole solder/sauter thing is you spell it properly, just say it very strange!

But hey, whatever... I reckon you should put a translation subtitle up on the vids, just for us Brits/Aussies :)

Oh and good April Fools show btw.

Oh, just bumped into this

In the UK and other countries using British spelling, only aluminium is used. In the United States, the spelling aluminium is largely unknown, and the spelling aluminum predominates.[26][27] The Canadian Oxford Dictionary prefers aluminum, whereas the Australian Macquarie Dictionary prefers aluminium. The spelling in virtually all other languages is analogous to the -ium ending.

The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) adopted aluminium as the standard international name for the element in 1990, but three years later recognized aluminum as an acceptable variant. Hence their periodic table includes both, but places aluminium first.[28] IUPAC officially prefers the use of aluminium in its internal publications, although several IUPAC publications use the spelling aluminum.[29]

[lordbyron]

So who says that they way people in the UK say certain words properly and people in the US say them wrong? Maybe its the British that are saying them wrong. Did that ever dawn on you? And you you can't give the reason that you pronounce all of the letters because I know you say nife and not k-nife, for example.

[charlas]

Actually I tend to agree, however the English language (as in UK English) has been studied for many hundreds of years, and modern English was introduced in the 1500's. Also the English language that the American population speaks was introduced by the English settlers to the country, so I would assume that the well documented 'Modern' English that (some of) the UK population speaks is the father of all dialects of English.

That being said, English actually originates from Anglo-Frisian dialects and therefore is actualy Germanic in origin.... Go figure ;)

[lordbyron]

Well I guess you sure know your stuff when it comes to language so I will not question you about it. But no matter how certain words are pronounced atleast we can still know what is being said. :D

[charlas]

Well I guess you sure know your stuff when it comes to language so I will not question you about it. But no matter how certain words are pronounced atleast we can still know what is being said. :D

As long as the show is good, hey who cares how we all say solder/sauter. I just thought it was interesting such a simple word is pronounced so differently.

[lordbyron]

As long as the show is good, hey who cares how we all say solder/sauter. I just thought it was interesting such a simple word is pronounced so differently.

Yes I will agree with you...

[lordlundar]

Tomāto, tomăto, potāto, potăto, let's just call the whole thing off...:p

[lordbyron]

Tomāto, tomăto, potāto, potăto, let's just call the whole thing off...:p

We already had....

[jglen490]

As someone else noted quite correctly, language is dynamic. It would seem that we Americans have gone to something that is closer to the Middle English form of the word, for some weird reason. But it's all good, just like Sir Winston Churchill said.

sol·der Audio Help /ˈsɒdər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sod-er] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. any of various alloys fused and applied to the joint between metal objects to unite them without heating the objects to the melting point.
2. anything that joins or unites: the solder of their common cause.
–verb (used with object)
3. to join (metal objects) with solder.
4. to join closely and intimately: two fates inseparably soldered by misfortune.
5. to mend; repair; patch up.
–verb (used without object)
6. to unite things with solder.
7. to become soldered or united; grow together.
[Origin: 1325–75; (n.) ME soudour < OF soudure, soldure, deriv. of solder to solder < L solidāre to make solid, equiv. to solid(us) solid + -āre inf. suffix; (v.) late ME, deriv. of the n.]

[thearchangel]

Who Cares This is stupid:confused:

[md2389]

Tomāto, tomăto, potāto, potăto, let's just call the whole thing off...:p

Duckets? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSwRuwtGq-A&feature=related)

"There will be a bathroom stop in about ten minutes!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5qeyq9JIRo) :D

[onyx1607]

As long as the show is good, hey who cares how we all say solder/sauter. I just thought it was interesting such a simple word is pronounced so differently.

lieutenant = "left"tenant.

john - I actually saw a dictionary pronounciation guide for this of 'jahn' (with obligatory funny symbols inserted), and not 'jore-n'.

This whole petty argument is funny to me, from Australia - where we share much of England's English, but (sadly) more of US's cultural influence. I'm now even more unsure of solder; esp in the context of 'soldier' - a word with only 1 extra letter but the americans pronounce it completely differently.

[scienceking]

Just a quick one, and I mean no offense by this, but why do American's say sauter instead of solder?

I'm an american(from the midwest even) and I do not. But maybe thats because I was taught to solder by a german professor during a summer program in high school. All the academic faculty at my school also pronounce it the european way. Maybe some american technicians got into bad habit and it spread?

Still, who cares. Considering electronics is an art where academic experts still define current as flowing from higher to lower potential because thats how Ben Franklin defined it(and what makes sense in terms of the terms), we really aren't discussing a profession too obsessed with literary continuity to begin with.