Episode 26 - Soldering 101, Surf Anonymously, Vista SP1 [Discussion]

[marilee]

YouTube Hacks. Free Firewall. Notebook battery upgrades. HD netcams? Separate feeds for the daily and weekly episodes!

Watch or download the episode here! (http://revision3.com/tekzilla/tor/)

[eminemdrdre00]

Please keep Roger on the other side of the camera

[arcticfox]

I dont dislike roger but i dont think hes a good choice to present, something awkward about his style.

[davmoo]

I like Roger, and even think he does okay as a host. He's progressed quite a bit since the first time he (and Cat) hosted "Call For Help" without Leo being around (think "deer in the headlights").

But having a guy who mainly uses a Mac offer a critique of a Vista service pack is like asking a strict vegetarian to describe the taste of a steak.

[zomgorly]

I was hoping this show would switch to a more Call 4 Help (well with tekzilla Internet 4 Help) type approach. I usually get more interesting information when the questions come up through the viewers emails.

Vista Sp1 conversation was a little harsh. It didn't brick my machine after the install. Plus, I did see that I can select which volume I want to defrag. :p

BTW Roger is ok with me.

[chad2382]

I think Roger does a good job. It's probably a lot harder than it looks to host a show. Their review of vista sp1 was pretty much right on. I don't notice a single difference after updating.

[abic-ophymx-com]

In defense of Microsoft (not something I enjoy saying), the features of SP1 for Vista, aside from "bug fixes", are meant more for administrators and less for End Users. For one the SP1 paralleled the launch for Windows Server 2008 and technologies being developed there were incorporated into SP1. Such as compatibility for their new Hyper-V Virtualization. It appears that they have also added support for EFI in Vista SP1 and Server 2008 though only to the 64-bit version. Even though I don't use Windows myself, this sounds exciting since hardware manufacturers will hopefully start doing more work with EFI since the OS supports it.



For more info check the following links.

TechNet Blog about Hyper-V Manager for Vista SP1:
http://blogs.technet.com/virtualization/archive/2008/03/25/hyper-v-manager-mmc-now-available.aspx

Microsoft Article about SP1: (check under new hardware)
http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsVista/en/library/417467e7-7845-46d4-85f1-dd471fbc0de91033.mspx?mfr=true

PS. Please feel free to correct on some of this, I've read a lot of contradictory info across the net, and Microsoft recently shuffled around some articles making them lost to google... and their own Live search...

BTW, Great Job Roger! You do fine in front of the camera. It's nice to see character to these shows that aren't just TV Personalities. Keep up the good work.

[will_stutler]

SP1 for Vista rocks......i for one have had no problems with Vista what so ever, when i did install SP1 wich i did the very day it came out....i have found that it has increased speeds of shut down and start ups, opening and closeing of ALL programs, gave me extra battery life, speeds up pretty much every single thing

for those of you with problems i have one thing to say to you "a poor craftsman blames his/her tools"

sorry i had to rant a bit, because i have found that Vista is the latest and GREATEST version of windows yet

[ghostwolf]

Roger is a good co-host and I like his Dvorak touch on things. Keep your spirits high.

[westudi]

Sure, I went back to XP, but I didn't think Vista was nearly as horrible as everyone seems to think it is. I haven't tried the official SP1, but I did install a beta way back in the day, and it helped tremendously with moving large files or extracting massive rar files. Since that was one of my major concerns with Vista, I was pleased.

I think it likely that if you updated your system regularly you wouldn't see a massive change in system performance. I'm almost tempted to install Vista just to try out the official SP, and see if it's truly as atrocious as the review made it seem.

P.S., I like Roger. Why the hate?

[will_stutler]

Sure, I went back to XP, but I didn't think Vista was nearly as horrible as everyone seems to think it is. I haven't tried the official SP1, but I did install a beta way back in the day, and it helped tremendously with moving large files or extracting massive rar files. Since that was one of my major concerns with Vista, I was pleased.

I think it likely that if you updated your system regularly you wouldn't see a massive change in system performance. I'm almost tempted to install Vista just to try out the official SP, and see if it's truly as atrocious as the review made it seem.

P.S., I like Roger. Why the hate?

you should go for it upgrade to vista......also Roger is the bomb.....its always good to see a friendly face kinda like see an old friend

[computoman]

Glad to see someone is getting benefit from vista. Obviously their machines are truly "vista capable".

[trevorsomers]

SP1 for Vista rocks......i for one have had no problems with Vista what so ever, when i did install SP1 wich i did the very day it came out....i have found that it has increased speeds of shut down and start ups, opening and closeing of ALL programs, gave me extra battery life, speeds up pretty much every single thing

for those of you with problems i have one thing to say to you "a poor craftsman blames his/her tools"

sorry i had to rant a bit, because i have found that Vista is the latest and GREATEST version of windows yet

Oh really??? What games have you been playing on it?? Doom 3, Age of Empires, Battlefield 1942 or Counterstrike, and how many times does Vista crash on you while playing those types of games? Just wondering? Or are you using Vista for Photoshop, Maya, Premier or Word, Email and Excel work?

I would like to know.

[will_stutler]

Oh really??? What games have you been playing on it?? Doom 3, Age of Empires, Battlefield 1942 or Counterstrike, and how many times does Vista crash on you while playing those types of games? Just wondering? Or are you using Vista for Photoshop, Maya, Premier or Word, Email and Excel work?

I would like to know.

i have played all those games on my computer without error before and after SP1, thank you very much

and no crashes and no BSod

[gfree]

I use Vista too. Haven't got any real problems with it, which is a dangerous thing to say in certain circles (eg. Slashdot) because some people can't get around the fact you can actually do proper work with it. Blows their minds I tell ya. :)

I don't play games anymore, although I'm fairly certain if I compared XP and Vista on the same machine, XP would probably run games a touch better (well not probably, it does, according to past experiences when I did used to game). As for Service Pack 1, it works fine for me.

There are two major differences I could tell when using SP1:

* Copying/moving files is a lot faster, particularly over network shares but also definately on the same system.

* Image thumbnails are created a lot faster.

There's probably also a bunch of other backend things that have been fixed, but those are the two major stand-out improvements. Now of course, Revision 3 being primarily a Mac-centric company is not going to have much of a high opinion about Windows, so anything they say about Windows I'd take with a grain of salt.

I recall Jim Louderback saying a while back in a Tekzilla Daily segment how if you're using Vista, you should get used to the reset button on your machine as you'll be needing that a lot. Total rubbish, but then again fanboys can't be logically dealt with. :) Now, since I'm using Vista and don't have a problem with it, this of course just means I HAVE to be a fanboy right? I mean, how could anyone possibly be having a pleasent experience with Vista? I must be a Microsof shill damnit! :D

[dark_shroud]

Yes I was not pleased hearing the whole Anti-SP1 rant. Had they been professional and researched SP-1 they would have known about the whole Server 2008 code base update. And the fact that SP1 does have performance updates in it, most noticeable is the file transfer wizard that I love. Boot ups will be faster and the size of the over all install has been reduced as well.

That BS comment about the reset button was nice. Since Vista doesn't crash from drivers. It actually restarts them when they crash and will let you resume whatever you were doing. The security is just insane compared to windows in the past. IE7 protected mode does not get the credit it deserves. Neither Firefox nor Opera have sand box modes. I'm waiting to see what Firefox fanboys complain about when IE8 comes out.

[will_stutler]

IE7 protected mode does not get the credit it deserves. Neither Firefox nor Opera have sand box modes. I'm waiting to see what Firefox fanboys complain about when IE8 comes out.

lol...lets stick on one rant topic...lol

What does everyone else thing about SP1 for Vista

works like a charm of cores i have "NEVER" had any problems with Vista

[gfree]

works like a charm of cores i have "NEVER" had any problems with Vista
I'll admit though, although my experiences are OK, there are cases when Vista simply will not behave itself with other computers. For example, I installed Vista on another system and noticed that after installing all the updates (this was before SP1), the system would get stuck in the "Configuring Updates..." bit after a reboot. It would stay on this screen for about 10 mins then reboot, hang on the screen and try rebooting again, and so on continuously. For some reason Vista could simply not prep certain updates for whatever reason, despite them working fine for me after a reinstall. So yes, for some rigs which should handle Vista just fine, sometimes you can get really stupid things happening through no fault of the user. Likewise with XP, likewise with Linux. OS X would be the only exception, but then again Apple control most of the hardware so it's easier for them.

[pragma]

1. David please tell me where you can get a WES51 for $60, as I can't find it for < $90. As I actually need to get one.

2. Patrick you may be misleading to some audience members when you mention wattage of the soldering iron. Now I realize that you were trying to make a distinction between soldering guns and soldering irons but wattage was the wrong route. As you failed to make a proper distinction between temperature controlled irons such as the WES51 (50 Watts) and those that are say 25 Watts and the temperature is only regulated by the choice of tip. If you look at the high end offered by Weller for say surface mount work you will notice that they can operate at up to 80 Watts. But they are temperature controlled, hence as you apply the tip to a big heat sink it will need to apply more power to the heating element to keep a constant temperature. But your all in one, commonly 15 to 30 watts won't compensate, as it operates at its limit.

3. David you mention lead and perhaps allude to the fact that you would be crazy to use 100% lead solder. First I have not heard of 100% lead solder. But more importantly you forgot to mention that 60/40 is 40% lead. In other words your words of safety didn't really get any important points across, like wash your hands after handling solder etc. I mean 60/40 is a mixture not some kind of compound that renders the lead into a harmless form.

4. The notion of 101 makes me think an introduction to a subject not just a small blip from it. If you are not going to give a full introduction that includes safety concerns then don't try to give an introduction period, especially if you don't have time for it. Instead send people to a link or something and then expect that people know enough to do the demo.

5. David I really enjoyed your demonstration and it was very well done, I particularly like to see skilled demos, as I find them very helpful.

6. Is it just me or is Tekzilla getting more scatter brained as a show? I mean it just jumped around throwing little bits here and there, but had so little content. Also its getting hard to tell when you are advertising stuff or just showing off a product that you like. Tekzilla is clearly a show that deals in bits and pieces but you have got to keep each bit complete and meaningful, as otherwise you are splitting bits and thats not good. I mean you have some very talented people doing the show so slow down and give topics the coverage they deserve. You throw out a lot of cool things but they seem to be missing fundamental points. For example when you installed Linux: IMO Linux is cool, but if you are already familiar with linux then you probably can install it. Hence you probably should have spent more time talking about WHY Linux. Also you started the install and then you went on to talk about something else. Now you don't air the show live so keep stuff sequential PLEASE! Now I understand that you need to air ads and that they will interrupt content but don't interrupt content with content.

Oh and why do you waste so much time each episode talking about all the ways that you can get the episode I mean I am already watching it and the show it pretty short as it is, so why waste time talking about how to get it?

[blastcow]

I, too, am weary of these unending Vista attacks. I, like many, many people have never had a single problem with Vista. My computer is almost 2 years old too!

My roommates macbook crashed 3 times the first week he bought it! Do I think macbooks suck? No! I would love to have one and put linux on it! Or, even, vista! I work with a mac every day. Do I trash every mac person I meet? No! Does every mac users I know try to convert me every time we talk computers? Yes!

Listening to this little opening vista segment made me want to stop watching. Every time you trash my OS it really feels like you're trashing me as a person for using it....Yes - using an OS that works perfectly for me and has never crashed in 5 months of USE.

SP1 was great for me. It even let me use an oddball firewire pc card I had that doesn't work in even Ubuntu. Up until SP1 - that was my only Vista issue. So I stretched the truth a little earlier.

What happened to the days when the tech guys liked BUILDING their own computers and didn't adopt the smug attitudes of TV commercial characters. Do you guys realize how obnoxious you are when you talk like that?

Please try to keep me watching your show.

[vistal]

I use a Ps2 Eye toy as a web cam i belive its 2mp and you can find the drivers all over the net . They are like 5$ at any game store you can buy used parts from.

[tokenuser]

3. David you mention lead and perhaps allude to the fact that you would be crazy to use 100% lead solder. First I have not heard of 100% lead solder.I have 100% lead solder. I do not use it for brazing (plumbing copper pipes), or for electronics (rosin core thanks), but I do use it for lead light (stained glass) work.

For the leadlight work, I have a sodlering iron that would fry electronics in a second, but also plugs nicely into my Weller variable temp base that I use for electronics with a 40W iron

[ryudo]

Have XP with SP3 (not a typo) a transformation pack to give the appearence of vista and some features of vista.

Don't plan on changing from XP anytime soon.

loved the episode.:)

[davmoo]

On my main machine (which is what I'm typing this on), I run Vista with service pack 1, and have had no issues what so ever since the first day I installed Vista on it, which was the day it was released for sale. I run Excel and Word extensively, along with Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, and Producer (all CS3). This machine runs three and four weeks at a time without being rebooted, and usually only gets rebooted when there is an update that requires it.

In fairness, I will also say that my PowerMac G4 has been rock solid since the installation of Leopard. But I don't use the Mac nearly as aggressively as I do the PC. Mainly it just sits quietly and displays weather radar for my region.

Edit: Oops...left out that I also run Microsoft Visual Studio almost daily.

[milnoc]

A couple of things about the show:

First, I'm from Montreal, and Patrick pronounced "La Jetée" properly, with a bit of an English accent. No problems there.

Second, I've recently updated my Fujitsu LifeBook U810 to Vista SP1. Aside from updating the sound driver and undoing a couple of taskbar setting changes, SP1 appears to be working properly. I can't really see any performance benefits at this time considering I've already optimized the OS to the bone long before installing the service pack.

Third, the YouTube hack "&fmt=18" does work. I've tried it on the product review videos on my YouTube channel ( http://www.youtube.com/TheCanadianPublic ), and there was a noticeable improvement in the video quality. The resolution of the uploaded videos was 640x480, originally recorded with a Canon HV20 set to HDV mode.

[jasonbub]

Hey,
Quick note: Tekzilla is really growing on me. Thanks for all of the hard work.

NOTE: About Roger.

Back on DL.TV when Robert was out, Patrick would have Roger sit in. The only problem was that Roger would have a total sour attitude (eeyore). I always hated that. The show was pretty up beat, besides the typical seemingly prerequisite Microsoft basing that goes on from time to time, and then Roger would come. It would be even worse when Patrick wasn't there.

Then Patrick left to come to Rev3 and Roger took over DL.TV. It was great. His attitude completely changed. He was up beat. Positive.

I was totally bummed to see that Roger went back to his old self when he was in the presence of Patrick.

Any way, Roger, you are great. Just please bring the positive attitude when you are on camera. The way that you were when you were the HOST of DL.TV.

P.S., you should try to get Garrnet (from 1up) full time.

One last comment, Dvorak is the only one that can slightly pull off Dvorak.

JasonBub

[marc57]

I like Roger, and even think he does okay as a host. He's progressed quite a bit since the first time he (and Cat) hosted "Call For Help" without Leo being around (think "deer in the headlights").

But having a guy who mainly uses a Mac offer a critique of a Vista service pack is like asking a strict vegetarian to describe the taste of a steak.

Yeah, too bad he's such a Crapple fanboy.

[daikun]

I'm not surprised that Vista SP1 wasn't helpful; that's why I've personally held back on upgrading. A Windows machine doesn't normally get the ball rolling until the second service pack is released. Look at XP, for example. SP1 was pathetic, but SP2 was really useful.

If anyone still hasn't upgraded to Vista yet (like me), I'd recommend waiting until SP2 comes out.

[guardian653]

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What happened to the days when the tech guys liked BUILDING their own computers and didn't adopt the smug attitudes of TV commercial characters. Do you guys realize how obnoxious you are when you talk like that?
...


You know I sometimes wonder that too--especially with the whole ex-ZDTV/TechTV gang. Only Leo seems to step back a bit nowadays and realizes the pluses as well as the minuses.

As for my own experience with Vista--on a now four year old machine it ran alright.. gaming on it wasn't special since even in XP was it beginning to show its age. I liked the revamped Explorer (not IE--don't use it) and the "bread crumb" interface. Plus the Vista file dialog was perfect IMO (got it somewhat emulated in XP, minus the search). I like to go back to Vista, but I'm gaming on the cheap...

Any who--the plus side of the show: the soldering segment. Though it appears one user on this forum wants to make several corrections to it (I haven't read through it) it was nicely done I think. The HD version for this full episode wasn't horribly compressed so those tight shots were useful for a closer inspection.

[computoman]

lol...lets stick on one rant topic...lol

What does everyone else thing about SP1 for Vista

works like a charm of cores i have "NEVER" had any problems with Vista
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I will reserve any additional comment on vista with sp1 till I have had a chance to play with it. Protected modes have been around a long time for mainframes and unix based os's. The average user does not take advantage of it though. From what I understand of the protected mode of ie7, it is a reduced functionality mode and is slower on the average user machine. That is real helpful. Any browser including firefox is as secure as you make it. I never use the default settings in firefox anyway. I predict that the future home gateways will do web filtering in addition nat addressing. Most of your opensource firewalls use a free product called squid or something like it. It is not a panacea, but it can reduce a lot of the crap that comes over the internet. it works with ipcop. Rumor has it that the latest ie has already been hacked easily.

[pulledteeth]

Having seen Roger on both Tech TV and DL.TV, I audibly groaned when I say him. However, having watched the eppisode I have to say I'm impressed. He seemed much more calmer than I remember him. Good job sir, keep up the good work.

Vista service pack 1 did not do anything for me, except waste 3 hours of my life I could have spent doing something else. It did not cause any new problems, but I did not really have any problems with vista to begin with.

[westudi]

Wow, talk about Vista fanboys uniting.

Now, I did defend Vista based on my experience, and I stand by that. However, I must say I am a little surprised that so many people got their panties in a bunch over a short segment about SP1.

Relax everyone. It wasn't an in-depth expose. They just stated their opinions like we have.

I do seem to recall Patrick also stating several times that he has a Vista machine[s], and vaguely recall him mentioning something positive about the system. He said he has had some problems with the OS, but haven't we all?

I had some nVidia and Creative driver issues with Vista, and the aforementioned slow file transfer rates. Subsequent driver support from nVidia and the beta SP1 fixed two of the three problems. Near as I can tell, Creative just doesn't care, and now they won't get my business anymore. As I said before, the nVidia driver problem with SP1 is intriguing.

I still like Vista though. After I tweaked it a bit here and there, I felt really at home with the OS, and just about everything worked just fine. I cannot say the same about any OS outside XP, and I have tried a few.

In summary, calm down. Most of the comments in the SP1 segment were tongue-in-cheek, and I viewed none of it as an attack on Vista or some sort of anti-MS attack. They simply gave their opinion in an entertaining way. How shocking.

[guardian653]

Wow, talk about Vista fanboys uniting
In all honestly its because (if you listen to the rest of the podcasts) its a recurring theme that gets old real quick... and please.. don't feed the trolls :)

[westudi]

I haven't been here long enough to recognize who the trolls are.

As for the podcasts, I have no idea. I've only been watching the episodes, and I feel that each person has his/her opinions, but the overall feel has seemed fairly, well... fair.

People will be offended if they want to be. For crap's sake, replace the names of the OSes in this thread with religions, and it would still be coherent.

What I really want to know is, where's the love for Windows ME?

[will_stutler]

What I really want to know is, where's the love for Windows ME?

thats another OS that i loved i never once had any problem with it what so ever

[gfree]

In summary, calm down. Most of the comments in the SP1 segment were tongue-in-cheek, and I viewed none of it as an attack on Vista or some sort of anti-MS attack. They simply gave their opinion in an entertaining way. How shocking.
When you've heard the same rhetoric time and time again, it gets a little tiring. I suppose that why I get annoyed. I have no issue with people not liking Vista - what I hate is FUD. If people lie or over-exaggerate regardless of the topic, it pisses me off. Right now it just happens to be about Vista, but tomorrow it could be about computer games or nuclear power. :cool:

[westudi]

I hear ya, and I've defended Vista on other sites before, but I think this is simply misplaced irritation. I don't think the segment on Tekzilla warrants this much guff, but that's me.

The problem is, getting all riled up eventually turns around on itself to the point that the Vista supporters come off as just as annoying as the Vista haters. It's a fine line at this point.

[darknessgp]

...
Relax everyone. It wasn't an in-depth expose. They just stated their opinions like we have.
...
I still like Vista though. After I tweaked it a bit here and there, I felt really at home with the OS, and just about everything worked just fine. I cannot say the same about any OS outside XP, and I have tried a few.

In summary, calm down. Most of the comments in the SP1 segment were tongue-in-cheek, and I viewed none of it as an attack on Vista or some sort of anti-MS attack. They simply gave their opinion in an entertaining way. How shocking.

I agree with you, it was opinion based, however they didn't seem to do any research. Microsoft posted what Vista SP1 was going to fix, and the "segment" IMO came off as a "I saw SP1 in my windows updates, installed it and it didn't do anything." It did do something, and I've noticed it. The file transfer is tons better, and any general performance increases you won't see as installing the SP1 resets the superfetch stuff... I think Pat says it really well when he said that people have the expectation that any SP will have massive amounts of noticeable changes, like SP1 and SP2 did for XP. Though I guess it all depends on what you are using your computer for. XP SP2 was a godsend for me, as I run wireless in my house. Vista SP1 is great, cause I have 3 hdd in my machine and am constantly moving some files or transferring files to another machine. My point being, Jim might not have noticed anything because he doesn't do something where he can see the benefit, though it was nice that he added that " yet" on the end of what he said.

I think the most annoying part of their "segment" was the entire reaction of "It doesn't do anything" without pointing out that it resets stuff like superfetch. You are correct, they didn't go into any detail, and that was the problem. It felt like a very knee jerk reaction "segment"

[diadem]

Couple of things first Roger Great to see you on the show please ignore the BS that people are saying on here.
Second about Tor the Exit nodes specifically, These can be monitored very easily and so unencrypted data (user names passwords etc..) can be pickup. There was the high profile case where some dude (dont have details to hand) got pulled up by the US DoD I think.
He was doing this then reported the issue to the government body in question, there is more to this but anyway long story short use https sites where possible!!

[uryiaheap]

Roger is a great on camera asset and should be used. His awkwardness is a breath of fresh air.
He should have his own show. think about it.

[will_stutler]

Roger IMO is great

i watched him on TechTV and was pleased when i herd his name on one of the revison3's shows but then when he was on screen i jumped for joy...well not really.....

everyone likes to pick on the people that stick out.....and in this case he does only because i don't think he has much "on screen" expereance as the others do......put your selfs in his shoes, i know improve with positive feed back, and constructive criticisms......

Roger i think your doing great, the only thing i think you need to improve on is your confidence when onscreen and in the presence of another tech person, i know you know your stuff and so do you,

keep up the great job Roger and to everyone else that makes the show so great

[cirris]

When I was hoping for a hot asian Co-Host for Patrick, Roger wasn't what I was expecting.

[westudi]

I think the most annoying part of their "segment" was the entire reaction of "It doesn't do anything" without pointing out that it resets stuff like superfetch. You are correct, they didn't go into any detail, and that was the problem. It felt like a very knee jerk reaction "segment"

Maybe now they will go into details. Hehe.

I'm glad to see the thread swing back in the direction of support for Roger. I really don't see the problem with his typical "performance." I like seeing all the good, old TechTV people.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to once again display my dislike of G4. Thanks for making yet another useless channel on my cable package. Between G4, the religious stations, the HSN types, and the Golf network; I only have about 10 cable stations left programmed in on my TV.

[magwa9]

As usual Roger people are jealous. You have a great presence and compliment Patrick who is great. Don't listen to the a$^%*^%es who are just palin old jealous......................

[dlkj]

You should consider using FoxyProxy plugin if you plan to use TOR with FireFox.
You can set up patterns such that only certain websites will get routed to the TOR network. The rest of the traffic will go direct (not anonymous) and without the additional lag.
Also, note that there should be a strong emphasis on TOR being about anonymity and NOT SECURITY. There were reports of some phishing techniques which pose as TOR servers and filter traffic that is routed through it. Hence, don't route sensitive information via TOR.

[dark_shroud]

Have XP with SP3 (not a typo) a transformation pack to give the appearence of vista and some features of vista.

Don't plan on changing from XP anytime soon.

loved the episode.:)

That isn't XP SP3. If you're lucky you have a beta of SP3 (they suck) with the transformation pack to look like Vista. Good luck with it but don't try passing it off as SP3. If SP3 is a major overhaul like SP1 & SP2 were some of that stuff might not even work anymore.

[dark_shroud]

I hear ya, and I've defended Vista on other sites before, but I think this is simply misplaced irritation. I don't think the segment on Tekzilla warrants this much guff, but that's me.

The problem is, getting all riled up eventually turns around on itself to the point that the Vista supporters come off as just as annoying as the Vista haters. It's a fine line at this point.

The issue here is that the Rev3 crew are being misleading about Vista and it's not the first time. Many of them are Mac zealots and this is known to those of us who've been fans since TechTV. I still remember Keven's rant on Diggnation about Microsoft Surface.

Some of us are starting to take this real personal after hearing this crap since launch about Vista. My personal "favorite" about SP1 is this is how Vista should have been at launch. I'm tried of prick Mac & Linux users as well as people who can't be bothered to read documentation at Microsoft's website running their mouth about Vista. SP1 was a big step for the entire code base. I will enjoy the performance update at home and IT people will enjoy the new security and tools.

[westudi]

The issue here is that the Rev3 crew are being misleading about Vista and it's not the first time. Many of them are Mac zealots and this is known to those of us who've been fans since TechTV. I still remember Keven's rant on Diggnation about Microsoft Surface.

Some of us are starting to take this real personal after hearing this crap since launch about Vista. My personal "favorite" about SP1 is this is how Vista should have been at launch. I'm tried of prick Mac & Linux users as well as people who can't be bothered to read documentation at Microsoft's website running their mouth about Vista. SP1 was a big step for the entire code base. I will enjoy the performance update at home and IT people will enjoy the new security and tools.

I think one of us is being selective in our discernment, and I suppose it could be me. I've been a fan of these guys since way back in the day with TechTV too. Have they taken jabs at Microsoft? Sure, but so have I, and I am soundly in the MS camp.

Some people clearly state they prefer Mac. I'm cool with that. Kevin Rose, as you've pointed out, has made that quite clear. So what? Kevin Rose is but one voice on the show. Roger has his opinion, so does Patrick, etc. It's not like Roger and Kevin are saying they really love MS, and then rip it every chance they get. They make it quite clear they don't like it. Conversely, there was the guy that was using iMac's, but with Windows installed. I had no problem with that either. People will have their preferences.

Being unbiased is impossible, and anyone who purports to be so is a sham. That doesn't mean you can't still be fair. I do not think one brief mention of SP1 in the form of a short segment constitutes being unfair. I think it is truly unfair to suggest an anti-MS bias when much, if not most, of the in-depth segments deal with MS as the platform.

Let's just try to keep things in perspective here, otherwise this constant pissing and moaning will force me to bail from the MS camp. That's the kind of behavior I loath in fanboys, and we're getting dangerously close with nonsense.

[rgersmrk]

Great episode as usual. Just as an FYI about SP1 for Vista. I saw a few noticeable speed differences in older programs shutting down/opening and general performance. I also noticed transferring files over my private network has improved dramatically. The last thing I noticed is my hard drive doesn't go into random hard drive thrash fits like it used too.

If you are having problems like I listed above SP1 may very well fix your problems.

[lordbyron]

SP1 for Vista rocks......i for one have had no problems with Vista what so ever, when i did install SP1 wich i did the very day it came out....i have found that it has increased speeds of shut down and start ups, opening and closeing of ALL programs, gave me extra battery life, speeds up pretty much every single thing

for those of you with problems i have one thing to say to you "a poor craftsman blames his/her tools"

sorry i had to rant a bit, because i have found that Vista is the latest and GREATEST version of windows yet

It may speed up startups/shutdowns but who gives a flip about that it totally slows down the the computer when you need the speed the most and that during operation. My desktops never get shutdown so who cares about the seed then. And with my laptop I hit shutdown and close the lid, so who cares then also.

I am going to hold onto XP as long as I can!

[lordbyron]

The issue here is that the Rev3 crew are being misleading about Vista and it's not the first time. Many of them are Mac zealots and this is known to those of us who've been fans since TechTV. I still remember Keven's rant on Diggnation about Microsoft Surface.

Some of us are starting to take this real personal after hearing this crap since launch about Vista. My personal "favorite" about SP1 is this is how Vista should have been at launch. I'm tried of prick Mac & Linux users as well as people who can't be bothered to read documentation at Microsoft's website running their mouth about Vista. SP1 was a big step for the entire code base. I will enjoy the performance update at home and IT people will enjoy the new security and tools.

Hmmmm your argument points out no facts its just based on your opinion. You have the right to your opinion just the same as they(Rev3) are to theirs.

As for mine...I would not buy a Mac but I do run linux on some machines. Linux has it purpose, but I don't use it for my personal machine. I have used every version of windows that has ever came out BUT Vista. The only thing Vista offers that I would remotely be interested in would be Directx10.1. But in true Microsoft fashion they could have made 10.1 for XP but they want to force you to upgrade in order to obtain it. Game publishers quickly learned that people did not want to upgrade and changed from Directx10 only games to Both 9 & 10.

[lordbyron]

Roger was fine! At least he knows what he is talking about. At least he is not there because he has a pretty face and breasts.

[charlesray]

As for high-def webcams, I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but just by going on Newegg and looking at their selection I've found five that go up to 1600x1200 for video capture. There are more in lower resolutions depending on just how high of a resolution they are looking for.

[blastcow]

People who are upset that we are defending Vista: Sorry! But the big word here is Defending. We are not attacking other OS's. We are tired of Vista being trashed constantly - and seemingly without cause.

I understand that a lot of people have had vista problems. I've personally had tons of linux problems too (and old Windows problems). My Ubuntu and Suse installations crapped out a number of times, each. And in today's world Mac users are learning that there is no such thing as a perfect OS.

Its a fact that most tech bloggers are mac people - and a lot of Online Video Techies are mac people. They are the voices we hear the most and they like macs - great! They don't actually represent the whole tech community! Just the Tech Media.

Vista users are voicing their frustrations with this attitude on this forum because we like Tekzilla and we want to let them know that they are pissing us off. We want to keep watching Tekzilla. But when guys like me stop 3 minutes into a podcast and write a responese - shouldn't that be a warning sign for the Tekzilla guys? I don't go on the Radio and tell people that if they like Blink 182 they are morons!

Maybe Tekzilla should have a separate show called Maczilla just so they can vent and feel better about themselves. Allowing Maczillerds to hug themselves while tears of Victory spill down their cheeks

[westudi]

Maybe Tekzilla should have a separate show called Maczilla just so they can vent and feel better about themselves. Allowing Maczillerds to hug themselves while tears of Victory spill down their cheeks

You're right. That's not attacking Mac users at all.

If you have a radio show, you should go on the air and say Blink182 sucks if you feel that way. I don't want a sterile show in which no opinions are offered. I watch Tekzilla precisely for their opinions and experience with hardware and applications. Once in a while they are likely to say something that I disagree with. It isn't the end of the world when they do.

[blastcow]

[QUOTE=westudi;328817]You're right. That's not attacking Mac users at all.

Really!?!?

And in my experience with radio - if you want to lose listeners, go ahead and insult them. If you want to turn them onto better music - play better music.

Micro-niche market or niche market, that is the choice you make with my mother.

[westudi]

So what you're saying is if they believe Leopard (or whatever Macs newest OS is called) is better, then they should stop talking about Microsoft OSes. Or, less extremely, they should only talk about XP, and should ignore Vista completely. They should focus on showing what they perceive to be the better OSes instead of risking criticism of others, right?

[lordbyron]

People who are upset that we are defending Vista: Sorry! But the big word here is Defending. We are not attacking other OS's. We are tired of Vista being trashed constantly - and seemingly without cause.

I understand that a lot of people have had vista problems. I've personally had tons of linux problems too (and old Windows problems). My Ubuntu and Suse installations crapped out a number of times, each. And in today's world Mac users are learning that there is no such thing as a perfect OS.

Its a fact that most tech bloggers are mac people - and a lot of Online Video Techies are mac people. They are the voices we hear the most and they like macs - great! They don't actually represent the whole tech community! Just the Tech Media.

Vista users are voicing their frustrations with this attitude on this forum because we like Tekzilla and we want to let them know that they are pissing us off. We want to keep watching Tekzilla. But when guys like me stop 3 minutes into a podcast and write a responese - shouldn't that be a warning sign for the Tekzilla guys? I don't go on the Radio and tell people that if they like Blink 182 they are morons!

Maybe Tekzilla should have a separate show called Maczilla just so they can vent and feel better about themselves. Allowing Maczillerds to hug themselves while tears of Victory spill down their cheeks

Just as you have the right to your opinion, everyone else out there has a right to their opinion. You can not get pissed off just because someone does not agree with you. Everyone has had problems with OSes thats what you have to deal with when it comes to technology.

Personally I think Vista SUCKS. My 2 reasons are: Here here is my cause(you stated no one gives one).

1. It takes more hardware power just to run it. I have a near top of the line computer. When I say near I mean I only run one 8800 instead of 2 :) Why would I want to bog down my computer even before starting an application. XP runs with less weight on the hardware.

2. Microsoft tried to strong arm people into buying it. For example including DirectX10 only with Vista when it could be available for XP. Oooops that backfired on Microsoft game companys did not back them when they realized people were not upgrading.

The only thing that I really like about Vista is you can have more ram but more ram is used by the os so really what is that worth?

So what that people like macs!

I like Chevy does that mean someone else can not like a ford. No it does not. If you talk to a ford guy he will say piss on chevy. Witch is better? Depends on who you ask. Just like PC vs. Mac, witch is better? Again depends on who you ask. When I watch a car show and they are working on a ford, I don't go running into the forums and jump their shit for working on a ford.

Dude chill out. You like Vista thats cool. I like xp. Roger likes mac. Thats what makes the world go round.

[lordbyron]

[QUOTE=westudi;328817]You're right. That's not attacking Mac users at all.

Really!?!?

And in my experience with radio - if you want to lose listeners, go ahead and insult them. If you want to turn them onto better music - play better music.

Micro-niche market or niche market, that is the choice you make with my mother.

In your experience in radio, what one person thinks as an insult is not an insult to another?

Here here is an example, Howard Stern, he insults tons of people, but then why is he the most popular radio show? Hmmmmm

[darknessgp]

...
I like Chevy does that mean someone else can not like a ford. No it does not. If you talk to a ford guy he will say piss on chevy. Witch is better? Depends on who you ask. Just like PC vs. Mac, witch is better? Again depends on who you ask. When I watch a car show and they are working on a ford, I don't go running into the forums and jump their shit for working on a ford.

Dude chill out. You like Vista thats cool. I like xp. Roger likes mac. Thats what makes the world go round.

Umm, isn't that the point that blastcow is trying to make. That they constantly bad mouth Vista for no other reason than they don't like it, without taking into consideration that some of their viewers might like it and get turned off by their opinion. and it's not as simple as just people are upset that they are using Macs or talking about Macs, it's that they appeared to go out of their way to have a short "segment" that was a "Vista SP1 sucks" thing.

oh, and as for your 2 reasons. #1. You might want to look more into this. Things like Superfetch can actually make your most used applications faster. Have you actually taken a look at what Vista is doing more than just looking at the sys. requirements? #2. Most companies phase out older hardware and software. Does Apple still support all their old OSes? Does Nvidia still support the Geforce 256? I think you get the point. I'm not saying what they did was right, but they weren't cutting complete support for stuff that people were actively using, like Creative is with Vista drivers for their sound cards.

[lordbyron]

That they constantly bad mouth Vista for no other reason than they don't like it, without taking into consideration that some of their viewers might like it and get turned off by their opinion.

So they don't like vista...big deal!!! What dose soldering 101 have to do with Vista bashing?

and it's not as simple as just people are upset that they are using Macs or talking about Macs, it's that they appeared to go out of their way to have a short "segment" that was a "Vista SP1 sucks" thing.

Your right "short segment" not like it was 3/4 of the show. They were not constantly bashing Vista.

oh, and as for your 2 reasons. #1. You might want to look more into this. Things like Superfetch can actually make your most used applications faster. Have you actually taken a look at what Vista is doing more than just looking at the sys. requirements?


Look at the requirements of any game they are always higher for Vista. I am not talking about word or front page. Those will run on a 500 MHz. What else can people look at besides system requirements.


Does Apple still support all their old OSes?

Does Nvidia still support the Geforce 256?


I have no idea about apple! Don't care either!
And yes Nvidia does still support the geforce 256
http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce256.html

[computoman]

I am glad that there are a few M$ Vista users here love their machines and their os. Good for them. There are a lot of people who are not being so lucky. i.e. the "M$ Vista capable" lawsuit. If you are not in a windows server based network, what good is the upgrade? It still does not fix some security (M$ Vista has already been cracked in it's most secure mode) and other issues. I recommend everyone keep on using Microsoft products. Got to go, another Microsoft user is calling us now for help.

[will_stutler]

I am glad that there are a few M$ Vista users here love their machines and their os. Good for them. There are a lot of people who are not being so lucky. i.e. the "M$ Vista capable" lawsuit. If you are not in a windows server based network, what good is the upgrade? It still does not fix some security (M$ Vista has already been cracked in it's most secure mode) and other issues. I recommend everyone keep on using Microsoft products. Got to go, another Microsoft user is calling us now for help.

oh who is this guy......my computer here has capable on it and guess what NO PROBLEMS......maybe its the USERS that have the problem and not the OS you guys ever think about that

[charlesray]

Just as you have the right to your opinion, everyone else out there has a right to their opinion. You can not get pissed off just because someone does not agree with you. Everyone has had problems with OSes thats what you have to deal with when it comes to technology.

Personally I think Vista SUCKS. My 2 reasons are: Here here is my cause(you stated no one gives one).

1. It takes more hardware power just to run it. I have a near top of the line computer. When I say near I mean I only run one 8800 instead of 2 :) Why would I want to bog down my computer even before starting an application. XP runs with less weight on the hardware.

2. Microsoft tried to strong arm people into buying it. For example including DirectX10 only with Vista when it could be available for XP. Oooops that backfired on Microsoft game companys did not back them when they realized people were not upgrading.

The only thing that I really like about Vista is you can have more ram but more ram is used by the os so really what is that worth?

So what that people like macs!

I like Chevy does that mean someone else can not like a ford. No it does not. If you talk to a ford guy he will say piss on chevy. Witch is better? Depends on who you ask. Just like PC vs. Mac, witch is better? Again depends on who you ask. When I watch a car show and they are working on a ford, I don't go running into the forums and jump their shit for working on a ford.

Dude chill out. You like Vista thats cool. I like xp. Roger likes mac. Thats what makes the world go round.

Have you used Vista? And by used I don't mean checked out on a friends computer, I mean actually extensively used it for a few hours. Because your two examples are incredibly vague, and that leads me to believe you are bashing Vista based solely on what you read on the internet. Don't get me wrong, sometimes you have to go by what other people say without proof to compare products; it's called a review and it's what we do. But Vista is just so shockingly better than the reviews say it's unbelievable. I've used Vista on four computers without one incident and I refuse to believe that's just coincidence. It absolutely has it's quirks, but so does every operating system and you don't hear people writing them off, do you?

[lordbyron]

It absolutely has it's quirks, but so does every operating system and you don't hear people writing them off, do you?

Yea but now there a viable choices out there and I chose to use XP and Linux.

[lordbyron]

Have you used Vista? And by used I don't mean checked out on a friends computer, I mean actually extensively used it for a few hours. Because your two examples are incredibly vague, and that leads me to believe you are bashing Vista based solely on what you read on the internet. Don't get me wrong, sometimes you have to go by what other people say without proof to compare products; it's called a review and it's what we do. But Vista is just so shockingly better than the reviews say it's unbelievable. I've used Vista on four computers without one incident and I refuse to believe that's just coincidence. It absolutely has it's quirks, but so does every operating system and you don't hear people writing them off, do you?

Nope never have used Vista and I have 12 machines on XP and I would not upgrade them until I did some research. I trust people like Rev3, PCGamer and Maximum PC.

[scienceking]

I had a Vista Business partition(courtesy of MSDNAA) on my Macbook Pro and recently installed SP1. It was a bad choice, now Aero's composer crashes when Aero tries to run, and I can't find a workaround. I tried reinstalling the drivers, registry hacking, and everything. It was pretty much a virgin install as I only used it to use this one DSP programming app I didn't have an OSX license for. I have an 8600M with 256 MB of memory so I should be more than good for it. I get like a solid 5.2 experience rating as well. I spent like 3 hours trying to fix it. And now my experience rating has gone DOWN and my computer seems to be less stable overall. Quite disappointing. It probably is some of my drivers not playing well with SP1, but Microsoft should have gotten things sorted out with vendors before releasing it in autoupdate. Luckly my school now has a license for the OSX version of Labview so I will just toast the Vista partition. Thanks Microsoft, as I would not have found out about our new license acquisition if this hadn't happened! No need for a windows partition eating up hard disk space anymore, just Ubuntu and OSX for me.

[darknessgp]

...It probably is some of my drivers not playing well with SP1, but Microsoft should have gotten things sorted out with vendors before releasing it in autoupdate. ...

Unfortunately, Microsoft and other OS manufacturers can not make any hardware or software vendor support their product. As with the release of Vista, Vendors were given sufficient time to make compatible drivers. If they choose not to, they are only hurting their customers that are running Vista. (I'm looking at you, Creative) Also, there are thousands of vendors, so which ones does Microsoft try and make sure they have issues worked out with? Primarily the bigger ones, if they even want Microsoft's help. Drivers have always been a problem with small hardware vendors when going into the next iteration of an OS.

lordbyron, because you have never used Vista, your opinion is irrelevant on the topic. It'd be like me trying to convince someone that some car is the worst car ever made, even with differing opinions online and my complete lack of even seeing the car in real life. Unless you have experiences and facts to back up your opinion, please try to stay out of the way of real discussion.

[scienceking]

As with the release of Vista, Vendors were given sufficient time to make compatible drivers.

That is absurd. Windows Vista itself came out in January of 2007. To give a vendor less than a year to comply with a major update in drivers can be unrealistic as driver development time for some products is longer than that. And also, companies should not be expected to be at Redmond's beck and call. Microsoft should only release updates that could break major established 3rd party software and drivers after SIGNIFICANT testing. Even the Ubuntu guys and other small embedded or specialist platform developers do a better job than that. Keep in mind, this is an UPDATE. For an UPDATE to break anything is a level of quality only a very accepting customer could expect, I don't care what operating system or even product they are talking about. If you brought your car in for a recall repair and after that it started to work like crap, you'd be dumb not to cry folly.
Microsoft has shown consistent irresponsibility to even incompetence in program management in Vista from its early development up through this first service pack, and am only glad that they are basically abandoning much of the product for their next product release...

[darknessgp]

That is absurd. Windows Vista itself came out in January of 2007. To give a vendor less than a year to comply with a major update in drivers can be unrealistic as driver development time for some products is longer than that. And also, companies should not be expected to be at Redmond's beck and call. Microsoft should only release updates that could break major established 3rd party software and drivers after SIGNIFICANT testing. Even the Ubuntu guys and other small embedded or specialist platform developers do a better job than that. Keep in mind, this is an UPDATE. For an UPDATE to break anything is a level of quality only a very accepting customer could expect, I don't care what operating system or even product they are talking about. If you brought your car in for a recall repair and after that it started to work like crap, you'd be dumb not to cry folly.
Microsoft has shown consistent irresponsibility to even incompetence in program management in Vista from its early development up through this first service pack, and am only glad that they are basically abandoning much of the product for their next product release...

Umm, Vista's initial RTM (Release To Manufacturers) was on November 1, 2006... Before that Release Candidate 1 was out on August 29, 2006. That's sufficient time to at least make usable drivers. I'm not saying completely fully functional drivers, at least ones that don't crash. They don't have to be completely optimized. A year is an absurd amount of time, and technically they had almost that if they started on drivers during Beta2 (May 18, 2006) Oh, and if you are saying that they weren't prepared for SP1... My only response is that a service pack should not break valid drivers, so maybe it was poor coding. I've already seen a few companies just repackage their XP drivers for Vista, which in some causes will cause issues.

[dark_shroud]

It may speed up startups/shutdowns but who gives a flip about that it totally slows down the the computer when you need the speed the most and that during operation. My desktops never get shutdown so who cares about the seed then. And with my laptop I hit shutdown and close the lid, so who cares then also.

I am going to hold onto XP as long as I can!

This doesn't even make sense, because you don't use something doesn't mean it doesn't matter to others. And no SP1 does not slow down a computer. It resets the super fetch database so for a little while boot up may appear slower. SP1 improves the over all performance that become noticeable right away, older PCs may have to wait until the super fetch database is rebuilt to see the performance update. The OS's kernel was one of the many security updates as well, Vista is far more secure than XP.

Nope never have used Vista and I have 12 machines on XP and I would not upgrade them until I did some research. I trust people like Rev3, PCGamer and Maximum PC.

Your ignorance of Vista showed in your comments. But the fact that you admit that you've never used Vista at all means you are a Grade a dick for some of your comments to us.

I don't care that a majority of Rev3 uses Mac. I've used Macs and I have nothing against them. I've used Linux many times as well. These OSs just aren't right for my use. What I can't stand are the users who feel they have to trash MS to make themselves feel better. Maybe its all the bugs in Leopard that are causing the Mac users to attack Vista with such vehemence.

I like to watch Rev3 podcasts and enjoy them. Hearing rants about products sucking because they're from MS are not enjoyable to me.

I wouldn't even care if they said they don't like using windows. But misleading people about Vista is not cool. I stopped the podcast to log in and post. I've never done that before, ever.

[someaudioguy]

I'll add another vote for Roger. I thought he did great. I don't like shows like this with really "hosty" hosts. I like Patrick BECAUSE you know he really does get into this stuff. I trust someone like Roger (though it is funny listening to him complain about Vista).

Were there sound issues towards the end? Maybe it was my machine, but it sounded like a bad gating effect maybe?

[md2389]

I guess I was one of the few that thought Jim's "rant" on Vista was hilarious. :P Obviously some of you haven't watched Jim back in the day, or a certain promo video for Internet Superstar.

[lordbyron]

Your ignorance of Vista showed in your comments. But the fact that you admit that you've never used Vista at all means you are a Grade a dick for some of your comments to us.

Dude you had better stop right there, You have the right to agree or disagree with things that people post BUT you have no flipping right to call me a grade a dick and it breaks the rules of the forums. In case you did not read them let me post the top 3 that you just broke.

1. Profane language may be necessary in certain situations to enhance a personal opinion, but use it with moderation. Targeting an individual or company with insults is unacceptable.

2. Creating comments about a person or group of people that is racist, threatening, insulting, abusive, etc is not allowed.

3. Be kind to other members by showing respect to their opinions and feelings. Making false claims about a person or company is prohibited. The use of the Revision3 forums is a privilege, not a right. Having a negative attitude, being a snob, and flaming will not be tolerated anywhere.

[md2389]

c'mon guys, just let it go....

[lordbyron]

c'mon guys, just let it go....

I can understand that someone may not agree with my opinion but there is no need to call someone a "Grade A Dick" that is uncalled for!

[darknessgp]

I can understand that someone may not agree with my opinion but there is no need to call someone a "Grade A Dick" that is uncalled for!

Since it seems that you still want to discuss this topic. It seems you went and quoted the forum rules rather than just reporting his post to a mod and letting them take care of it. Also, I completely agree with you that there is no need for name calling when discussing opinions. That said, there is also something to be said about supporting your opinions so that you can explain to people why you think what you do. I'm honestly not surprised that he called you that, because you expressed a very strong opinion and then admitted to not having any experience with it.

[lordbyron]

because you expressed a very strong opinion and then admitted to not having any experience with it.

I am basing my opinion on what I hear and read from the "experts". Why would I want to try something that is not recommended by the majority of experts? When I mean experts, I am referring to people at rev3, Maximum PC, and PC Gamer. I also basing on the specs required on a game box since I built my pc to play games. If I only wanted to use it for creating web pages I would not have a $350+ video card. With that being said on any game the specs are higher to play the same game in Vista vs. XP. Sure you get better lighting/shading effects with directx10 but would that be worth it if you need to lower the details or the resolution. So in other words you need a more powerful PC to play the same game with the same settings in Vista vs. XP. So what in Vista is so great that I "need" to switch to it. So with the research I have done about Vista I feel i have a right to express my opinion, without the need to run it.

[lordbyron]

It seems you went and quoted the forum rules rather than just reporting his post to a mod and letting them take care of it.

BTW yes it was reported. But I felt I need to tell this person myself that I would not stand for his BS. But you see the difference it was done with out name calling.

I respect the way you proceeded, You point out with what you agreed with in my post and what you did not in a respectful manor, and I replied to you with more, maybe too much, information on how my opinion was derived. I don't expect everyone to agree but its MY opinion.

[westudi]

There's a lot of love in this thread.

[eirpod]

Re Surf Anonymously on this episode.... is it possible to fix an ip in a speciticic location....
why>
I want to see BBC TV Programmes on demand using the BBC iPlayer, but it will only allow you to view if the ip is in the UK...
So Logically if we can use this app or another to fix the ip, thus allow acces to view the iPlayer

any suggestions

[westudi]

People have been wanting to do that with Hulu too. Assuming you could fix a location, wouldn't the process of sending traffic back and forth essentially prohibit you from viewing the video anyway as a result of slow connection?

[nandasunu]

to watch hulu outside of the usa just use hotspot shield (http://anchorfree.com/downloads/hotspot-shield/). It makes a VPN to the USA and works great. Works for any site that is limited to the USA (hulu, pandora, south park, etc.) and doesn't seem to slow the connection much.

[westudi]

Interesting. I will have to pass this along. Thanks.

[spress]

Oh and why do you waste so much time each episode talking about all the ways that you can get the episode I mean I am already watching it and the show it pretty short as it is, so why waste time talking about how to get it?


Thanks, Pragma -- I had the same thought. However, I'd rather the weekly Tekzilla ran even shorter and had a higher info content. And I agree with your other well expressed points in your original post. I'm concerned how often I hear something plain wrong or oversimplified -- keeping things simple is okay, but not when it misinforms people. There's frequently a loosey-goosey way of talking about technical details on this show -- probably because they rely too much on extemporaneous talk and not holding to a well considered outline.

Re Roger Chang: though he is not as polished in presentation as others, I enjoy and prefer him because he's genuine, gives thought to what he says, and is not hyping himself or the show -- others take note! Make the show less about itself and more to the point. You really need to do some post production editing to eliminate redundant talk -- or get the hosts to stop fluffing up the show with silly banter. Also, you even sometimes have several seconds of dead air. I know you're not on a huge budget, but this show needs to tighten up. You can do it while still keeping the "homegrown" DIY feel. I'm looking for content, not entertainment -- I watch Diggnation for that.

Thanks everyone.