Gta Iv

[taozoo4u]

well there is a month till the game comes out and it is probably the biggest release of the year. so lets discuss this game, I know when i get this game i may not leave the house for about a month. In case you were under a rock for the past year.

Trailer 1 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/18205.html)
Trailer 2 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21048.html)
Trailer 3 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/28633.html)
Trailer 4 (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/32308.html)

Trailer 1 analysis (http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/10303)
Trailer 2 analysis (http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/12639)
Trailer 3 analysis (http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/16549)
Trailer 4 analysis (http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/18177)

Achievements (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news.php?id=885)

[GI_Josh]

Am I the only one that just doesn't super enjoy these games? I appreciate them for what they are, and I enjoy playing in their worlds, but I cannot stand the "vulgar for vulgarities sake" stuff. I much prefer a game like Crackdown, etc. I think it's so dumb that Rockstar always tried to go for this "edgy" facade. I'd much rather them just focus on telling me a compelling story and not making jokes like the Tw@ internet cafe.

[stubadub]

Am I the only one that just doesn't super enjoy these games? I appreciate them for what they are, and I enjoy playing in their worlds, but I cannot stand the "vulgar for vulgarities sake" stuff. I much prefer a game like Crackdown, etc. I think it's so dumb that Rockstar always tried to go for this "edgy" facade. I'd much rather them just focus on telling me a compelling story and not making jokes like the Tw@ internet cafe.

How many millions of copies have these games sold? I'd say the decisions they've made in regards to these games have proven to be pretty smart.

I think the story telling aspects of this franchise are pretty solid considering the open nature of the gameplay. I feel like I'm a criminal working with other criminals and hearing them speak the way I'd expect them to speak, both the words they use and the quality of the voice acting.

My only complaint with these games is that as the missions get more difficult, your success depends less on skill and more on getting lucky while you aren't making any mistakes. After I repeat some of the later longer missions time and time again I start to lose interest.

[GI_Josh]

No, I hear ya stub, I know the games are wonderfully succesful. Buuut, to play the devil's advocate, so is American Idol. Popularity sure as hell doesn't mean good, or good choices.

That being said (hey Dan) I do enjoy the games, and I want to love them more, i just hate (for myself) the vulgarity. Call me old fashioned.

[damnedeyez]

Popularity sure as hell doesn't mean good, or good choices.

It does when you're in the business of selling it...I'd say they made good choices.

[blacksymbiote]

I don't think it is vulgarity for vulgarity's sake, I just think the realism is the genre they're going for. The current state of the series was clearly inspired by movies like Scarface and such, and at this point that's what is expected of it. People want that atmosphere. Mob movies and games wouldn't be the same if they were always nice. They're murderers and crime lords after all. Can you imagine Sopranos without the swearing? I don't think it would be nearly as good. Just my two cents.

[GoNZooo]

"Grand Theft Auto" has been about colorful and outrageous characters for a very long time. You wouldn't get as interesting characters with them being best friends of the teletubbies.

Besides, who really cares? No one that cursing is that much of a problem for should be playing the games, in part because they're probably not old enough and in part because you fucking kill people in them. There are worse things than cursing and you engage in pretty much all of them in a GTA game. If you mean vulgarity outside of the language, I think the obvious route here is to not play them. It's a game; they fill it with whatever they please. Killing, dealing drugs, etc. are all part of the story and world you inhabit in a GTA game.

I think most games that feature institutionalized murder are worse (The CoD series, Battlefield, any army game, really); if there is content that is wrong, teaching people that murder can be OK as long as someone up top tells you so, or that it is OK if you're doing it for your country, or a political standpoint; or at all, definitely is it.

[Jaylaf]

Does anyone remember any specifics about the multiplayer part of GTA IV? I vaguely remember some stuff, but I'm partly asking so that it will be in this thread.

[NJShadow]

Am I the only one that just doesn't super enjoy these games? I appreciate them for what they are, and I enjoy playing in their worlds, but I cannot stand the "vulgar for vulgarities sake" stuff. I much prefer a game like Crackdown, etc. I think it's so dumb that Rockstar always tried to go for this "edgy" facade. I'd much rather them just focus on telling me a compelling story and not making jokes like the Tw@ internet cafe.

I completely agree. These games are so innovative and yet I've never bought one and don't plan on buying this one. Sure, I'll play a game with some bad language but these games seem to take it over the top, especially with the sexual content. Sure, it MAY make it seem more real SOMETIMES, but all-in-all that stuff is really not needed.

[NJShadow]

I think most games that feature institutionalized murder are worse (The CoD series, Battlefield, any army game, really); if there is content that is wrong, teaching people that murder can be OK as long as someone up top tells you so, or that it is OK if you're doing it for your country, or a political standpoint; or at all, definitely is it.

I disagree. In CoD you are fighting to defend your country's freedoms not just from a political standpoint but GOOD vs. EVIL. It's WAR. That's what happens. But in GTA it's gang war. It's STUPID. In GTA you kill people cause' they snitched, cheated on you or lied to you. Now even though I'm not crazy about the GTA series, it's downright stupid to insist that killing in that game is more justified than in CoD.

[stubadub]

I completely agree. These games are so innovative and yet I've never bought one and don't plan on buying this one. Sure, I'll play a game with some bad language but these games seem to take it over the top, especially with the sexual content. Sure, it MAY make it seem more real SOMETIMES, but all-in-all that stuff is really not needed.

There is not any significant sexual content in these games at all. Letting a girl get in your car and watching your health increase doesn't count.

[taozoo4u]

There is not any significant sexual content in these games at all. Letting a girl get in your car and watching your health increase doesn't count.

agree

[NJShadow]

There is not any significant sexual content in these games at all. Letting a girl get in your car and watching your health increase doesn't count.

I'm pretty sure there's nudity in this one. At least partial nudity based on the ESRB rating.

[taozoo4u]

I'm pretty sure there's nudity in this one. At least partial nudity based on the ESRB rating.

There is partial nudity in all of them...

[NJShadow]

There is partial nudity in all of them...

Yeah I know, point being?

[taozoo4u]

Yeah I know, point being?

there is nothing wrong with it

[NJShadow]

there is nothing wrong with it

That's your opinion.

[KilroyPerrywinkle]

Nudity!

Pixels without pixelated clothes!

Dear God!

Sorry, but you don't watch Pulp Fiction and then criticize it for the f'n language. Not your cup of tea? Fine. But its just a video game... is it deep and compelling? Nah. But its f'n fun.

Vulgarity is in the eye of beholder.

[taozoo4u]

That's your opinion.

Partial nudity is just like someone wearing boxers or just a women wearing a bra and panties.

[NJShadow]

Partial nudity is just like someone wearing boxers or just a women wearing a bra and panties.

Not really, this goes for movies as well. Partial nudity usually refers to the but or the boobs. It's like that with everything. Besides, aren't you a little young to be playing these types of games anyway? :rolleyes:

[taozoo4u]

Not really, this goes for movies as well. Partial nudity usually refers to the but or the boobs. It's like that with everything. Besides, aren't you a little young to be playing these types of games anyway? :rolleyes:

I'm about 2 years younger than you and have been playing these games since the release of GTA 3 which was when i was in 5th grade

[NJShadow]

I'm about 2 years younger than you and have been playing these games since the release of GTA 3 which was when i was in 5th grade

:D:D:D:D

[GI_Josh]

Thanks for agreeing with me Shadow :)

[stubadub]

There is something seriously fucked up with our society when people consider seeing a tit or an ass as a bigger problem then exploding heads and running over people with cars. Our prudish protestant roots win again.

[jae]

There is something seriously fucked up with our society when people consider seeing a tit or an ass as a bigger problem then exploding heads and running over people with cars. Our prudish protestant roots win again.

stubadub you are hereby declared awesome in the book of jae.

[decepticon]

I am super, super excited for GTA IV. I can't wait. LOVED GTA III and Vice City, AND San Andreas. Also, super pumped about playing part of the Russian mob in this. Fantastic idea.

[GoNZooo]

I disagree. In CoD you are fighting to defend your country's freedoms not just from a political standpoint but GOOD vs. EVIL. It's WAR. That's what happens. But in GTA it's gang war. It's STUPID. In GTA you kill people cause' they snitched, cheated on you or lied to you. Now even though I'm not crazy about the GTA series, it's downright stupid to insist that killing in that game is more justified than in CoD.
Killing in them isn't _more_ justified, it's as unjustified. You think killing for your country is right, I happen to not agree. I think it's just as wrong as killing for pretty much any other reason.

[pepperen]

GTA IV is gonna a be blast, I can't wait!

And NJShadow please do not talk about good vs. evil when talking about war, it is downright idiotic to suggest that war is a battle between good and evil, because that is never how it is...

[forthekids85]

I think I've finally figured out what it must feel like when I tell people that I don't like RPGS... When I read that people weren't all that excited about GTA IV, I nearly fell over.

I think this ultimately shows that whole "different strokes for different folks" saying definitely holds true. I've been a fan of the Grand Theft Auto series since I was playing the top-down original on Playstation, so this upcoming game is seriously anticipated.

I've always had a deep fascination with organized crime and crime in general, so maybe that's why some people don't "get" it. I'm the guy who watches the History Channel when anything involving the use of a Tommy gun comes on.

All in all, yes.. I'm completely sold already.

But this whole "vulgar for vulgarities' sake" argument really seems irrelevant. If you don't like the games, don't play them. The games are made by adults for adults. If you can't handle the vulgarity, I suggest turning off your local news as well.

[taozoo4u]

I disagree. In CoD you are fighting to defend your country's freedoms not just from a political standpoint but GOOD vs. EVIL. It's WAR. That's what happens. But in GTA it's gang war. It's STUPID. In GTA you kill people cause' they snitched, cheated on you or lied to you. Now even though I'm not crazy about the GTA series, it's downright stupid to insist that killing in that game is more justified than in CoD.

I agree with what GoNZooo said

I think most games that feature institutionalized murder are worse (The CoD series, Battlefield, any army game, really); if there is content that is wrong, teaching people that murder can be OK as long as someone up top tells you so, or that it is OK if you're doing it for your country, or a political standpoint; or at all, definitely is it.

Call Of duty is saying that murder is alright as long as it is justified, GTA is saying that exact same thing only in a different context. there is nothing morally wrong in GTA, you can find the same content on a TV where it is evenly distributed to everyone.

[NJShadow]

there is nothing morally wrong in GTA

Hahahahaah (Falls off chair laughing)

Don't get me wrong, the game looks incredible and I wish I could take part in it but there's just waaaay too much objectionable content.

[taozoo4u]

Hahahahaah (Falls off chair laughing)

Don't get me wrong, the game looks incredible and I wish I could take part in it but there's just waaaay too much objectionable content.

Everything in GTA is stuff that happens in everyday life for most people, games like Call of Duty are just a glorified portrayal of war in which you take control of the "good guys" and you have to kill the "bad guys" or else America gets destroyed.

[NJShadow]

Everything in GTA is stuff that happens in everyday life for most people

Whoah dude, soooo not true. What makes you think that!?

[taozoo4u]

Whoah dude, soooo not true. What makes you think that!?

...common sense?

[NJShadow]

...common sense?

How is that common sense!? That doesn't happen to most people. It only happens to people who let their lives get that screwed up.

WARNING - The events in this game are FICTIONAL. Does it accuratley portray gang life? Maybe. But highly doubt that's how most people live their lives......:rolleyes:

[taozoo4u]

How is that common sense!? That doesn't happen to most people. It only happens to people who let their lives get that screwed up.

WARNING - The events in this game are FICTIONAL. Does it accuratley portray gang life? Maybe. But highly doubt that's how most people live their lives......:rolleyes:

have you ever heard of the ghetto?

[NJShadow]

have you ever heard of the ghetto?

LOL dude, I live like 2-3 miles from it. Duh, who hasn't. That's still not most people.

[GoNZooo]

The point I was trying to make was that I think killing is wrong, and I think if there is anything wrong in media, it's trying to convince people that killing is alright if you've been told to by your government/boss, or because someone thinks something you do not agree with.

To summarize: There's (pretty much) no justification for killing someone. I add "pretty much" because if I had left it out, someone would probably come up with a scenario I might not be able to honestly disagree with.

[Jaylaf]

While there may be things littered throughout a GTA game that are illegal and morally reprehensible, I happen to love playing them because they're an escape. I feel just fine playing the game and being one of the bad guys, running and gunning, swiping cars and raking in cash - because it hurts no one when it's a video game, and it has nothing to do with how I live my life.

I'm not sure that I would let any small children see most of the things that make a GTA title though....

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Anyways, I'm going to give everyone the chance to direct this thread back to good ole fashioned game news. Didn't this thread start as one for people excited about the impending release date?

So, I'll ask my question again, to see if anyone has any input:

What has anyone heard about the multiplayer elements of GTA IV? We've never really had multi (other than letting a 2nd player jump in to do some quick mini-games). All I heard was that in online multi, you gained "rank" or whatever by how much cash you had. So, I guess you made kills etc just to collect their $$. Not sure what sort of things you end up using it for, though...

[taozoo4u]

While there may be things littered throughout a GTA game that are illegal and morally reprehensible, I happen to love playing them because they're an escape. I feel just fine playing the game and being one of the bad guys, running and gunning, swiping cars and raking in cash - because it hurts no one when it's a video game, and it has nothing to do with how I live my life.

I'm not sure that I would let any small children see most of the things that make a GTA title though....

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Anyways, I'm going to give everyone the chance to direct this thread back to good ole fashioned game news. Didn't this thread start as one for people excited about the impending release date?

So, I'll ask my question again, to see if anyone has any input:

What has anyone heard about the multiplayer elements of GTA IV? We've never really had multi (other than letting a 2nd player jump in to do some quick mini-games). All I heard was that in online multi, you gained "rank" or whatever by how much cash you had. So, I guess you made kills etc just to collect their $$. Not sure what sort of things you end up using it for, though...

there is 16 person online MP thats all i know

[GoNZooo]

While there may be things littered throughout a GTA game that are illegal and morally reprehensible, I happen to love playing them because they're an escape. I feel just fine playing the game and being one of the bad guys, running and gunning, swiping cars and raking in cash - because it hurts no one when it's a video game, and it has nothing to do with how I live my life.

I'm not sure that I would let any small children see most of the things that make a GTA title though....

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Anyways, I'm going to give everyone the chance to direct this thread back to good ole fashioned game news. Didn't this thread start as one for people excited about the impending release date?

So, I'll ask my question again, to see if anyone has any input:

What has anyone heard about the multiplayer elements of GTA IV? We've never really had multi (other than letting a 2nd player jump in to do some quick mini-games). All I heard was that in online multi, you gained "rank" or whatever by how much cash you had. So, I guess you made kills etc just to collect their $$. Not sure what sort of things you end up using it for, though...
gta4.net (http://www.gta4.net/) has a fair bit of info on it. 16 player cap, free world in the exact same map as SP, a whole slew of game modes I can't remember the names of, except deathmatch, team deathmatch, "bomb the base". Like I said, check the site out for more info.

[Heyseuss]

There's more boob in God Of War than GTA's.

Shadow, your perception is out of wack. All you think of when you think GTA is the bad parts, the parts that you related to the most apparently, beit, killing prostitutes or cops. But I rememebr San Andreas' inspiration for the entire storyline being, cleaning up the hood and getting rid of the drugs and re-uniting your family and trying to make something of yourself. All the bad things you do to people on missions, are to bad people. If you choose to run over ppl on the sidewalk, that's not the game, that's you.

[Jaylaf]

gta4.net (http://www.gta4.net/) has a fair bit of info on it. 16 player cap, free world in the exact same map as SP, a whole slew of game modes I can't remember the names of, except deathmatch, team deathmatch, "bomb the base". Like I said, check the site out for more info.

Yeah, I figured that people might want to mention the MP stuff here. It could be something worth talking about. It could be a great new aspect of the series. We're plenty used to online multi, but not in a GTA title. I'd love to see their spin on it.

[DarthEnder]

Am I the only one that just doesn't super enjoy these games? I appreciate them for what they are, and I enjoy playing in their worlds, but I cannot stand the "vulgar for vulgarities sake" stuff. I much prefer a game like Crackdown, etc. I think it's so dumb that Rockstar always tried to go for this "edgy" facade. I'd much rather them just focus on telling me a compelling story and not making jokes like the Tw@ internet cafe.I don't consider it "vulgar for vulgarities sake".

Well, maybe on signs an such. But if you're talking about language? I know lots of people who talk like that. I swear casually. Its just a part of the environment I grew up in.

[GoNZooo]

Yeah, I figured that people might want to mention the MP stuff here. It could be something worth talking about. It could be a great new aspect of the series. We're plenty used to online multi, but not in a GTA title. I'd love to see their spin on it.
If I'm not mistaken there actually was online MP in the first two games, but yeah; no official online multiplayer in any of the "new" GTA games.

Personally, I'm extremely excited about this. Everyone I know that has a 360 will buy GTA4 and if the free world MP is good that means this game will be endlessly fun. Regardless, I'll be happy to play a GTA game again, and with the news that they have gone for a more gritty feel I actually feel quite nostalgic about it. The first game never seemed cartoony to me. Sure, you were doing some weird stuff and it was somewhat like a movie, but I never felt like it was a really raunchy and inappropriate children's show.

While some people might find this weird, I was actually relieved when I read somewhere on a gaming site they were shown a demo of killing someone in a park, and they described it as really uncomfortable and brutal. That's a feeling I don't think games can ever communicate enough, and it means I'll get to play a GTA game that actually takes a stab at trying to be more real and true. I think it shows that they are actually trying to conjure up emotions in the players too, which is commendable regardless of how it turns out.

[krist69]

GTA IV is gonna a be blast, I can't wait!

me too, not long now :D

[NJShadow]

Yeah, I will admit. These games are AWESOME. But it is INCREDIBLY difficult to own them or even want to own them in a family atmosphere.

[GoNZooo]

Yeah, I will admit. These games are AWESOME. But it is INCREDIBLY difficult to own them or even want to own them in a family atmosphere.
It should be obvious, but I'd like to think you're speaking entirely for yourself.

[NJShadow]

It should be obvious, but I'd like to think you're speaking entirely for yourself.

I am speaking for myslef. Like I said, I'll admit that it's an awesome game but the objectionable content, to me, undermines it.

[forthekids85]

Yeah, I will admit. These games are AWESOME. But it is INCREDIBLY difficult to own them or even want to own them in a family atmosphere.

I hope this doesn't come off rude, as I'm just curious.. do you own any Quentin Tarantino movies? Perhaps I'm just used to a completely different "family atmosphere" than you are, but I find those movies to much more "vulgar" than GTA and they are still considered amazing works of art, not "vulgar for vulgarities' sake."

[BredrenisedP]

Yeah, I will admit. These games are AWESOME. But it is INCREDIBLY difficult to own them or even want to own them in a family atmosphere.

The GTA games are ADULT games aimed at ADULTS, their content clearly reflects that. They shouldn't be in or near a "family" atmosphere.

If you are not old enough to understand the difference between a fictional universe and reality, or are not mature enough to understand the topics of drugs, crime, prostitution or murder, then you really shouldn't be going anywhere near these games.

The contect of GTA has always been objectionable. There are definately two camps - either you are a synic who thinks Rockstar does this to shift a ton of copies, or are an optimist who feels they do this to try and tell a story and make you think about the dark reality that 99.9% of us thankfully have nothing to do with in real life.

I really wouldn't be shocked if in this version they really push the boundaries of what feels comfortable in a game. Various game previews have already mentioned a 'drunk driving' segment and to be honest even if they introduced a ton of sex and even rape, I wouldn't be surprised.

Equally when it comes to games, everyone feels more shocked at their content in comparison to films. Both Bioshock and Dead Rising are rated 18 (here in the UK) and so will GTA4, yet does their content really come anywhere near as close to that of The Godfather, Traffic or Scarface... no way.

If games really want to take themselves seriously as mediums in which to tell an adult story, then their content must also reflect that. Hopefully GTA4 will provide this.

I for one, am really looking forwards to the game.

[Heyseuss]

Various game previews have already mentioned a 'drunk driving' segment and to be honest even if they introduced a ton of sex and even rape, I wouldn't be surprised.
[/QUOTE]

Yeh this is true, and sounds very interesting to me. You can spend your time drinking in a bar instead of answering your phone doing missions. If you drink alot, yeh, it makes driving hard, as well as walking. I can see myself drinking in the game and then trying to run across a bridge instead of playing the games missions.

[BredrenisedP]

I would piss myself laughing if the drunker you became, the hotter chics looked.

[damnedeyez]

There was a DUI segment in Vice City Stories, actually. Although, you didn't do that to yourself.

[Heyseuss]

There was a DUI segment in Vice City Stories, actually. Although, you didn't do that to yourself.

I haven't finished the game, so it must be coming up. Can't remember it. Do you get pulled over ?

[damnedeyez]

I haven't finished the game, so it must be coming up. Can't remember it. Do you get pulled over ?

There are definitely wanted stars and the like...and driving is a bitch.


Mission is called Purple Haze, and it's for Gonzalez

[shizmiffle]

I cannot wait until this game comes out....of course i'm gunna have to buy a ps3 first but it's worth it. The only reason i bought a psp was to get the 2 "stories". anyway, the trailers look awesome...and it will be nice to get a break from guitar hero for a while

[taozoo4u]

Yeh this is true, and sounds very interesting to me. You can spend your time drinking in a bar instead of answering your phone doing missions. If you drink alot, yeh, it makes driving hard, as well as walking. I can see myself drinking in the game and then trying to run across a bridge instead of playing the games missions.[/QUOTE]


I could see myself doing that, and if they allow you to do that online with your friends oh shit. We would be having drinking games and then just getting drunk and seeing who can run across the street the most times without getting hit by a car.


I really wouldn't be shocked if in this version they really push the boundaries of what feels comfortable in a game. Various game previews have already mentioned a 'drunk driving' segment and to be honest even if they introduced a ton of sex and even rape, I wouldn't be surprised.


What?!? why would they do that. GTA san andreas was under alot of fire for just a little mini sex game, why in Gods name would they include rape?

[shizmiffle]

GTA san andreas was under alot of fire for just a little mini sex game, why in Gods name would they include rape?

They loved the attention....and i'm sure the sales spiked after that...of course they would add rape, just to piss off everyone

i'd still buy it

[NJShadow]

To clear things up, I think the game looks awesome. I can take the objectionable content but it's just the amount that they pack in. Sometimes it's just to much.

Violence - Don't care
Swearing - Minor is ok but swearing every other word is annoying.
Sexual Content - VERY little in small amounts. When there's too much it feels like they just throw it in for shock value and I really don't care for that.



...


BTW what part of Jersey are you from?

[stubadub]

To clear things up, I think the game looks awesome. I can take the objectionable content but it's just the amount that they pack in. Sometimes it's just to much.

Violence - Don't care
Swearing - Minor is ok but swearing every other word is annoying.
Sexual Content - VERY little in small amounts. When there's too much it feels like they just throw it in for shock value and I really don't care for that.




I'm not going to convince you to like things you don't like, but I do think that your perception of the sexual content in these games is exagerated. The Hot Coffee mod shouldn't count since you had to actually go through some amount of extra effort to see that. It was left out of the actual game.

I am curious about your take on swearing in films. Are you bothered by language when you watch films like Goodfellas or Pulp Fiction? Do you avoid films like that if you know they contain a lot of cursing?

I don't really get society's uptightness about swearing either. It seems arbitrary that shit is offensive and poo isn't. I can understand the meaning behind a statement being offensive, but when I say two different phrases and both mean the same thing why should one of those phrases be taken poorly and the other be acceptable?

[GoNZooo]

Violence - Don't care
Swearing - Minor is ok but swearing every other word is annoying.
Sexual Content - VERY little in small amounts. When there's too much it feels like they just throw it in for shock value and I really don't care for that.
This is what I don't get. How can you not care about violence, but if there are tits onscreen you object?

People killing eachother is OK, but people fornicating is not? I was going to tip-toe around this, but I'll just tell you straight up: I think your morals are skewed. I think there's something seriously wrong with someone who thinks violence is more acceptable than people fucking.

I think your standpoint on this is everything that is wrong with the moral police that think they need to go around telling people what is right and what is wrong in terms of what you can put in a game. Pretty much everyone in that camp who makes themselves heard has the same view on it that you have; they give too much unfair attention to people showing their love for one another (shallow as it may be) and too little to people ending each others lives.

[NJShadow]

This is what I don't get. How can you not care about violence, but if there are tits onscreen you object?

People killing eachother is OK, but people fornicating is not? I was going to tip-toe around this, but I'll just tell you straight up: I think your morals are skewed. I think there's something seriously wrong with someone who thinks violence is more acceptable than people fucking.

I think your standpoint on this is everything that is wrong with the moral police that think they need to go around telling people what is right and what is wrong in terms of what you can put in a game. Pretty much everyone in that camp who makes themselves heard has the same view on it that you have; they give too much unfair attention to people showing their love for one another (shallow as it may be) and too little to people ending each others lives.

Technically you KILL the aliens in Galaxian. I don't recall any nude aliens. Whether you use a 8mm or a space zapper it's still killing. Almost every game has a bad guy that you have to defeat which usually means killing them whether it be by fantasy or real weapons. Killing is pretty much ALWAYS gonna be a part of games. Sexual content usually offends waaaaaay more people.

And regarding Pulp Fiction, I've only seen bits and pieces of it un-edited. Usually I catch it edited on Tv. It's an awesome movie. (Bruce Willis + Samurai Sword = WIN) But once me and my Dad attempted to watch it on the net once and we immediately had to close it because of how RIDICULOUSLY vulgar some of that stuff was.

[NJShadow]

People killing eachother is OK, but people fornicating is not? I was going to tip-toe around this, but I'll just tell you straight up: I think your morals are skewed. I think there's something seriously wrong with someone who thinks violence is more acceptable than people fucking.

So then are you suggesting that cops shouldn't carry guns!? They just might..........kill someone. YES, SOMETIMES KILLING IS JUSTIFIED. Like I said, violence in games doesn't really bother me, swearing only bothers me it's EVERY OTHER WORD in a stupid fashion, but as soon as the game has a mission where your in a freakin' strip club then I object. Sorry dude, that's just me view take it or leave it.

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I think the game is gonna be incredible but I don't think I'll be picking it up. We'll see.

[GoNZooo]

Technically you KILL the aliens in Galaxian. I don't recall any nude aliens. Whether you use a 8mm or a space zapper it's still killing. Almost every game has a bad guy that you have to defeat which usually means killing them whether it be by fantasy or real weapons. Killing is pretty much ALWAYS gonna be a part of games. Sexual content usually offends waaaaaay more people.
I'm not big on censorship in games. I will object to certain kinds of content, but I will never go as far as to say something should be banned or censored. People should make their own calls as to what they want to see in a game.

One of the things I object to is how void of conflict a war FPS usually is when it comes to killing people. There are always bad guys who need to die, never loving and caring fathers and sons (or occasional mother and daughter) who were told just the same thing "your" side was told; to take you out.

War is portrayed in these games in such a way where there is no choice, no life-altering event when you kill someone. You never end a life; you just take someone out. Like I said earlier: If there ever was wrong content in a game, I think that is it.

Good vs. Evil doesn't exist in the real life war.

When someone flashes a boob or says "fuck" 53 times in 53 minutes I don't usually have a problem with it, morally. You can swear as much as you like if you want to; it isn't morally wrong or right. Sure, it doesn't make bad art good or good art better, but if you want to you should be able to without people objecting on a moral level.

How killing in a game is ever more right than the things mentioned just above this I will never get.

[GoNZooo]

So then are you suggesting that cops shouldn't carry guns!? They just might..........kill someone.
They should carry guns, but they should carry them to incapacitate people. (I hope) they are trained to do just that, and that is what they should do.

I understand when something goes wrong and a police officer kills someone. I can only hope he didn't do it on purpose: shot to kill.

Let's make this hypothetical situation: A policeman kills a perp. I will bet money on this policeman feeling VERY bad about it; it's probably something that will haunt him forever. He ended someones life, and being that most criminals aren't usually very old, he probably ended it way prematurely. This is where war FPSs fail: They never conjure up any kind of remorse or emotional consequence for killing someone. You shoot them and that's that.

Shooting to kill and then not thinking about it is usually what those kinds of games are about. I'm fine with playing them, but I think they are the lowest point possible for wrong material in games, so if I ever had to say something shouldn't be allowed in games, I'd probably say it's that.

[GI_Josh]

Guns are better in cops hands than tasers....at least with guns, they had some reservations about using them.

[damnedeyez]

How killing in a game is ever more right than the things mentioned just above this I will never get.

We (U.S.) were founded by Puritans...and some of their ideals can be found in our society today.


They should carry guns, but they should carry them to incapacitate people. (I hope) they are trained to do just that, and that is what they should do.

I understand when something goes wrong and a police officer kills someone. I can only hope he didn't do it on purpose: shot to kill.

eh...they generally aren't trained to use their weapon unless their or someone else's life is in jeopardy. In those cases, the idea is to stop the person from being a threat and aim for center mass. Trying to aim for a leg just puts lives in jeopardy (they may miss, it may not stop the person, it may provoke the assailant more.) Whether or not that's how they use them is a different matter.

[forthekids85]

And regarding Pulp Fiction, I've only seen bits and pieces of it un-edited. Usually I catch it edited on Tv. It's an awesome movie. (Bruce Willis + Samurai Sword = WIN) But once me and my Dad attempted to watch it on the net once and we immediately had to close it because of how RIDICULOUSLY vulgar some of that stuff was.

I think that clears it up. Judging from your views and signatures, you were obviously raised with at least a little religion in your life. That completely explains my confusion over how someone could take these games and movies as being vulgar.

Don't take this to be an attack on your personal views, because that's not what I intend at all. It's just more of a you-believe-that-and-I-believe-this thing, where I don't see anything wrong with a strip club or a curse word.

To each his own, I guess.

[NJShadow]

I think that clears it up. Judging from your views and signatures, you were obviously raised with at least a little religion in your life. That completely explains my confusion over how someone could take these games and movies as being vulgar.

Don't take this to be an attack on your personal views, because that's not what I intend at all. It's just more of a you-believe-that-and-I-believe-this thing, where I don't see anything wrong with a strip club or a curse word.

To each his own, I guess.

Yeah, no problem dude. I gotta say your one of the more respectable members around here. Don't worry, I didn't take it as an attack, your cool in my book.

[GoNZooo]

eh...they generally aren't trained to use their weapon unless their or someone else's life is in jeopardy. In those cases, the idea is to stop the person from being a threat and aim for center mass. Trying to aim for a leg just puts lives in jeopardy (they may miss, it may not stop the person, it may provoke the assailant more.) Whether or not that's how they use them is a different matter.
Fair enough; let's say they should use them very restrictively. It wasn't my actual point in that post anyway.

Yeah, no problem dude. I gotta say your one of the more respectable members around here. Don't worry, I didn't take it as an attack, your cool in my book.
Way to call everyone who didn't feel the need to comment on your OBVIOUS religious influence and treat it like it is a disability you need to tip-toe around a douchebag.

[NJShadow]

Way to call everyone who didn't feel the need to comment on your OBVIOUS religious influence and treat it like it is a disability you need to tip-toe around a douchebag.

How is that!? The only one that said that is you. How is calling someone respectable bad? Man, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed............:rolleyes:

[GoNZooo]

How is that!? The only one that said that is you. How is calling someone respectable bad? Man, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed............:rolleyes:
I just thought putting it that way kind of said something about what you think about the other posters. And yeah, I did wake up on the wrong side of the bed. Slept something like 4 hours during the night, and I'm in pain at the moment.

So yes, I am grumpy. Sorry about it.

[taozoo4u]

I am never buying an EA game ever again.

This is why (http://digg.com/gaming_news/EA_games_may_delay_April_29th_release_of_GTA_IV)

[damnedeyez]

I am never buying an EA game ever again.

This is why (http://digg.com/gaming_news/EA_games_may_delay_April_29th_release_of_GTA_IV)

hmm...I just had vacation time ok'd for early may...granted, I can get it changed, but that would add another company on my 'do not buy' list. I guess I don't really understand why holidays are THAT much more lucrative for a game, rather than a time when there isn't much else out there to get.

[forthekids85]

I can't see this happening, honestly. I can't imagine Take Two taking EA's offer before the game is released and I don't think anyone would want to delay the game again.

Then again, they know it'll sell no matter what and EA is a group of assholes by definition, so....

[bcool]

IF ea takes over take two and IF mr analyst guy is right. I'm betting he just wants some attention.

[stubadub]

I can't see this happening, honestly. I can't imagine Take Two taking EA's offer before the game is released and I don't think anyone would want to delay the game again.


The only way the share holders would take the offer is out of fear of the weakening market. Take Two is trying to tell shareholders to wait until the game comes out and their stock will be worth more, but that really depends on the market not falling enough to eat up all of those gains and actually cut into the price where they could have sold to EA. I don't think this will happen, but you can't entirely rule it out.

[GI_Josh]

Well.....if EA does get Take Two, the fourth quarter would be a more lucrative time to release the game....but it is absolutely ridiculous for the consumers, and they would no doubt alienate many fans.

[NJShadow]

EA WAS responsible for huge leaps in the gaming industry, but now it looks a lot more like they're gonna be responsible for the downfall and/or destruction of the gaming industry.

[GoNZooo]

Why do people assume this will happen if someone says it can/might?

[GI_Josh]

Why do people assume this will happen if someone says it can/might?

Because at this point, none of us would put anything past EA anymore.

[GoNZooo]

Because at this point, none of us would put anything past EA anymore.
Fair enough. I'm in that same boat: I actually think EA could do this, but I'm not going to start cursing people until I see a definite newsitem on it.

[GI_Josh]

Fair enough. I'm in that same boat: I actually think EA could do this, but I'm not going to start cursing people until I see a definite newsitem on it.

No, I agree. I just said that it would be financially feasible for them. I still, at times, see glimmers of hope in the deathly facade that is EA, but they continue to smack my retro love for them back down, as each story surfaces. I hope they don't do it, and I really don't think they will (even they know it would be suicide, right?) but like I said, I'm not putting anything past them.

[Heyseuss]

Story said the guy was a predicter of sorts, link to another story of him saying GTA4 "might" sell as many as 9 million copies by October, 6 months after releases . . . . . what a f'n moron! That game will sell 9 million copies in the first week. He doesn't deserve to open his mouth with that shit ! Has he ANY idea what he's talking about, San Andreas did over 250 MILLION copies in one year, what the hell is this idiot smoking ?

[stubadub]

Story said the guy was a predicter of sorts, link to another story of him saying GTA4 "might" sell as many as 9 million copies by October, 6 months after releases . . . . . what a f'n moron! That game will sell 9 million copies in the first week. He doesn't deserve to open his mouth with that shit ! Has he ANY idea what he's talking about, San Andreas did over 250 MILLION copies in one year, what the hell is this idiot smoking ?

That sales figure for San Andreas is significantly off. By the end of last month it had only sold 21.5 million for all platforms combined according to Take Two. The question is, what have you been smoking, and did you bring enough for everyone?

[deadnoob]

ive seen some commercials with the 4/29 date and i dont think they would want to waste that money in advertising. there really is no reason to delay the game and if they do there will be hell to pay.

[Lonefox]

Fallout 3 will be GOTY, but this game is going to be nothing short of spectacular.

[GI_Josh]

That sales figure for San Andreas is significantly off. By the end of last month it had only sold 21.5 million for all platforms combined according to Take Two. The question is, what have you been smoking, and did you bring enough for everyone?

One puff and pass my friends, one puff and pass.

[stubadub]

One puff and pass my friends, one puff and pass.

I thought it went puff puff give? Have I been fucking up the rotation? ;)

[taozoo4u]

Fallout 3 will be GOTY


hahaha

no.

[GI_Josh]

I thought it went puff puff give? Have I been fucking up the rotation? ;)

You're Bogart'ing the joint!

[GI_Josh]

hahaha

no.

Why not? It sure is ambitious enough. And he didn't say who's game of the year....maybe he meant just for him?

[taozoo4u]

360 > PS3 (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/14/poll-results-achievements-dlc-main-reason-to-pick-gta-iv-for-x/)

[GI_Josh]

360 > PS3 (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/14/poll-results-achievements-dlc-main-reason-to-pick-gta-iv-for-x/)

Taozoo=Fanboy



The whole reason that poll swayed the way it did was because the PS3 has less of an install base. And the 360 didn't win by much, I might add.

[GoNZooo]

Taozoo=Fanboy



The whole reason that poll swayed the way it did was because the PS3 has less of an install base. And the 360 didn't win by much, I might add.
Yes, it couldn't possibly be in part because people like achievements and XBOX Live...

[fashionDR]

I'm really surprised by how close that was. With the xbox having a much larger install base, achievements, and exclusive downloadable content I would have expected it to dominate.

I guess people care less about that stuff than Microsoft had hoped.

[taozoo4u]

Taozoo=Fanboy


yes I am a fanboy, because I made the poll, I wrote down the results, I made the people vote for the 360

woe is me the ultimate fanboy GOD PRAISE THE 360

And God Said unto the people
"Make the poll that will show thy people that thy creation of the 360 is better then the evil forces of the PS3, force it unto the people thus creating fanboys."
-Gates 3:17

/sarcasm

[satori]

Fanboy < Fanwalrus

[NJShadow]

yes I am a fanboy, because I made the poll, I wrote down the results, I made the people vote for the 360

woe is me the ultimate fanboy GOD PRAISE THE 360

And God Said unto the people
"Make the poll that will show thy people that thy creation of the 360 is better then the evil forces of the PS3, force it unto the people thus creating fanboys."
-Gates 3:17

/sarcasm

Yeah dude, you really are a fanboy. At least GoNZooo showed the other day that he's not. I can say the 360 has some cool features but you act like it's a curse to cross console lines. And oh yeah, how's that red-ringed 360 workin' out for ya?

[taozoo4u]

Yeah dude, you really are a fanboy. At least GoNZooo showed the other day that he's not. I can say the 360 has some cool features but you act like it's a curse to cross console lines. And oh yeah, how's that red-ringed 360 workin' out for ya?

at least i have arguments on why the 360 is better, all you say is the same shit over and over again and then when you get pwnd by our arguments you complain that we our Microsoft fanboys.

[NJShadow]

at least i have arguments on why the 360 is better, all you say is the same shit over and over again and then when you get pwnd by our arguments you complain that we our Microsoft fanboys.

Who got pwned!? Dude, your arguments 9 times out of 10 suck. So what is your argument!? State it! YOU ARE A FANBOY. Ha ha, that's funny. I actually owned you that one time and you ended the thread saying "Just to let you know, I do plan on getting a PS3". I give reasons why I think the PS3 is better. You basically just say "The 360 is better.....well......cause'......I say so!" like a little kid. Dude, go ahead. Throw out an argument. You don't seem to think LOGICALLY when these little debates start.

[taozoo4u]

Who got pwned!? Dude, your arguments 9 times out of 10 suck. So what is your argument!? State it! YOU ARE A FANBOY. Ha ha, that's funny. I actually owned you that one time and you ended the thread saying "Just to let you know, I do plan on getting a PS3". I give reasons why I think the PS3 is better. You basically just say "The 360 is better.....well......cause'......I say so!" like a little kid. Dude, go ahead. Throw out an argument. You don't seem to think LOGICALLY when these little debates start.

how the fuck am i the Fanboy anyway? all you post is shit relating to the PS3, praising it for how amazing it is, unleashing your load everytime someone even mentions home. I post one little fucking poll THAT I DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING MAKE about how people from a completely different fucking website said they were going to buy the 360 version of GTA IV instead of the PS3 version. I didn't make the poll, I didn't vote in the poll, I didn't even know about the FUCKING POLL since about 4 hours ago when i posted the damn thing. yeah my arguments 9 times out of 10 suck, all yours consist of is either Blu-ray or graphics. I fucking hate you, so does Magun and a good number of other people on these forums, but we can't really blame you. you were raised in Americas shit hole known as New Jersey.

[fashionDR]

how the fuck am i the Fanboy anyway? all you post is shit relating to the PS3, praising it for how amazing it is, unleashing your load everytime someone even mentions home. I post one little fucking poll THAT I DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING MAKE about how people from a completely different fucking website said they were going to buy the 360 version of GTA IV instead of the PS3 version. I didn't make the poll, I didn't vote in the poll, I didn't even know about the FUCKING POLL since about 4 hours ago when i posted the damn thing. yeah my arguments 9 times out of 10 suck, all yours consist of is either Blu-ray or graphics. I fucking hate you, so does Magun and a good number of other people on these forums, but we can't really blame you. you were raised in Americas shit hole known as New Jersey.

OK, what the hell? For starters, this has nothing to do with GTA4, you want to flame? Go start your own thread, I'm sure it will be very popular.

You need to relax and take a deep breath before you post since you are clearly too emotionally involved in the console debate. If you don't like what someone else is saying, try responding in a mature manner, and they may take you seriously. Your earlier comments on this thread were productive and I was interested in what you had to say, but you should be banned for this comment.

Seriously, everybody. Can we please cut this crap about who has a better console, I'm so sick of every game related thread descending into a flame war. We're all gamers, and given the opportunity, I'm sure we would all like to play a great game, whatever console it may be on. So let's just be happy with what we have, and respect the opinions of others, we are after all, here to celebrate and share our common interests. Lets just remember that before we think about personally attacking someone for having a view different from our own.

[Jaylaf]

GUYS!! GUYS!!! GUUUUYS!!!!!

Come on! We're all gamers. Seriously. I mean, I'd love to get all heated in debate about something, but you guys are seconds away from insulting each other's mommas! You both came onto this thread because you have some interest in GTA IV. We can all just dream how in a perfect world, both consoles would be able to play on the same servers. Then everyone could trash-talk online about how their system is better. We could bring it in the game. That would rock.

Personally, I have a PS3. Both of my brothers have 360s. Other than not being able to play against each other (or better yet, cooperatively, which is a beautiful, beautiful thing), I don't really see why it's gotta get all...just...naaaaasty.

[johnnysix]

If you only have a PS3, your probably going to keep an eye on PS3 stories and post mainly stuff about the PS3. If you only have a 360, your more thank likely to do likewise. I could be accused of being called a 360 fanboy because I generally post counter arguments in PS3 threads. I own both. I like my 360 better. At the moment.
I think maybe NJ just comes across a little more fanboyish because he creates new threads for PS3 news. Wes does the same sometimes for Wii stories. Tazoo4u is just doing the same for 360. Theres no problem with this. If we created a new thread every time an update, new XBL game or DLC comes out for 360 the board would be flooded.

In the immortal words of The Young Ones

Rick: "Guys, guys..... Look at us..... Squabbling... Bickering... Like children.... What's happening to us?...We never used to be like this...."

Vyvian: "Yes we did Rick"

[Jaylaf]

Rick: "Guys, guys..... Look at us..... Squabbling... Bickering... Like children.... What's happening to us?...We never used to be like this...."

Vyvian: "Yes we did Rick"

It's funny that that's what you thought of. When I was typing "Guys! Guys!! GUUUYS!!!," in my head, I was hearing the guy sitting in the van, in between Harry and Lloyd, in Dumb & Dumber.

[GI_Josh]

Wowzers, look what I started. Personally, I think this whole "console war" is asinine, and its amazing that to this day, they can still enlist us consumers as soldiers in their stupid little battles. Who cares which console is better? Just be happy with whichever one you picked, or be happy that you picked both.

As for that poll, its stupid to say that the results show that the Xbox is more popular than the PS3 or that the Xbox version of GTA4 will be more coveted than the PS3 version is stupid. The fact that the poll was so close, with the high install base of the 360 and the low install base right now of the PS3 really proves my point on another thread here, that people really feel that GTA is a Playstation franchise. So carting that poll out here as proof that, in your words, "360>PS3" is just stupid.

Oh, and before you decide to yell "OMG HE IS A PS3 FANBOY" I'd just like to point out that I don't even own a PS3, just an Xbox360.

[NJShadow]

how the fuck am i the Fanboy anyway? all you post is shit relating to the PS3, praising it for how amazing it is, unleashing your load everytime someone even mentions home. I post one little fucking poll THAT I DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING MAKE about how people from a completely different fucking website said they were going to buy the 360 version of GTA IV instead of the PS3 version. I didn't make the poll, I didn't vote in the poll, I didn't even know about the FUCKING POLL since about 4 hours ago when i posted the damn thing. yeah my arguments 9 times out of 10 suck, all yours consist of is either Blu-ray or graphics. I fucking hate you, so does Magun and a good number of other people on these forums, but we can't really blame you. you were raised in Americas shit hole known as New Jersey.

Ha ha ha, dude, your a joke. You know you've lost a debate when you need to make personal attacks in order to prove a point. You wanted to know how your a fanboy? Because you troll PS3 threads constantly posting "useless" comments. Don't worry kid, you'll grow up someday. Sorry for any stife that this may have caused anybody on here. Back to the original topic.

I'm still deabting on whether or not to get this. I'll have to see some actual gameplay footage before I make my decision.

[TuxOtaku]

DUCK SEASON!!
WABBIT SEASON!!
DUCK SEASON!!
WABBIT SEASON!!

RABID FANBOY SEASON!!

*BLAM!*

Are we all quite finished now? Can we kill this thread??

[nobodysleeps]

I haven't really played GTA at all except for little tid-bits when I'd watch my friends play or when I actually got to play San Andreas on my friend's PS2. I really enjoyed it. Especially the music.

I'm really excited to listen to the music selection in IV. Though San Andreas had that old school rap from NWA that I just loved as a kid living in Jersey.

Being a father of a 17 month old and now a 2 week old...(which doesn't really count now in terms of the vulgarity) kinda makes it difficult to play. And honestly I'm more worried about the swearing (which there is just wave after wave of) just because my 17 month old is at the age where she is learning that. She understands aggression in people's voices and she's starting to repeat sounds that she hears. Violence right now isn't something I'm too worried about especially since she doesn't look at the tv, she just runs around.

Anyway I play GTA with the sound real low and subtitles on.

For some reason I think that GTA IV will be more tame on the swearing and violence just because...with the state of games now, different actions have more meaning now and killing people in PS2 GTAs was kinda cartoony. Maybe murder in GTA IV will be more impactful and less necessary. I don't know what i'm talking about.

You know they delayed GTA IV from October to now for that multiplayer. And the MP isn't going to suck because if MP sucked on a major release like this, then they wouldn't put it in the game at all. Which is wy I think there was such a big delay. Rockstar must have realized that MP is something people are starting to hold as a requirement for games, and decided to add it and delayed it so that it doesn't seem like a tacked-on thing.

[Heyseuss]

You know they delayed GTA IV from October to now for that multiplayer. And the MP isn't going to suck because if MP sucked on a major release like this, then they wouldn't put it in the game at all. Which is wy I think there was such a big delay. Rockstar must have realized that MP is something people are starting to hold as a requirement for games, and decided to add it and delayed it so that it doesn't seem like a tacked-on thing.

The thought of 8 vs 8 driving around Liberty City and shooting each other up, makes my pants tight.

[batfish]

The following is a rant that I went off on with a friend of mine, he feels that "next-gen" games are just going for graphics and not much else. I'm reposting it because thats how I feel about this game:

I suppose what you're saying is kind of true, and I agree with you 100% that I find classic and simple games (Paperboy and N+ are partially the only reason why I pick up my 360 controller) but there are some really GREAT games out right now COD4 is a perfect example. The graphics are totally amazing and yes the FPS's have been done to death but that game is genuinely fun.

I have a lot of hope for GTA4 I think because there hasn't been a GTA game in over two years, we're going to be in for some major improvements and thus making the game something worth the price of admission. The span between GTA II, Vice City and San Andreas was less than four years, that doesn't give any developer the time to make significant changes to a game series, plus taking in the fact there really hasn't been a new GTA since GTA3 came out, VC and SA are, in my mind, expansion packs.

So there you have it, my long rant on why I'm going to pay $90 for a game and play it for three hours and never look at it again.

[NJShadow]

The following is a rant that I went off on with a friend of mine, he feels that "next-gen" games are just going for graphics and not much else. I'm reposting it because thats how I feel about this game:

Wait, you said $90. Are you getting the "Limited Edition"?

[Jaylaf]

You know, it's interesting that batfish's friend has that opinion.

I'm ABSOLUTELY excited about GTA IV. The step-ups the series has made, while keeping the bulk of what's fun about them intact, is why I still love the series. All I've been waiting for is to see what the current systems could handle. When I was playing San Andreas on my PS2, I was saying "how freakin' rad will GTA be on the PS3?!"

And now, you 360 owners don't have to gripe about GTA being Sony exclusive! I know that SA was too, but this is built for our systems, today.

Everyone's sick to death of the "sandbox" moniker because it's been done to death, but GTA brought that to the table, and remains my first joy in that arena. You can keep Saint's Row.

And I'm sorry, but I'm full-on geeked about the MP modes! Escort the Boss to safety? Cops and Robbers? Hells yeah!

[batfish]

You know, it's interesting that batfish's friend has that opinion.

I'm ABSOLUTELY excited about GTA IV. The step-ups the series has made, while keeping the bulk of what's fun about them intact, is why I still love the series. All I've been waiting for is to see what the current systems could handle. When I was playing San Andreas on my PS2, I was saying "how freakin' rad will GTA be on the PS3?!"

And now, you 360 owners don't have to gripe about GTA being Sony exclusive! I know that SA was too, but this is built for our systems, today.

Everyone's sick to death of the "sandbox" moniker because it's been done to death, but GTA brought that to the table, and remains my first joy in that arena. You can keep Saint's Row.

And I'm sorry, but I'm full-on geeked about the MP modes! Escort the Boss to safety? Cops and Robbers? Hells yeah!

I agree 100%. In a market full of cookie cutter games, GTA is still leading the pack. I think it's going to be a great game, but we wont know until we play it.

Yeah, I'm getting the Limited Edition. I usually don't pre-order games unless they have some really super cool schwag, and that duffel bag and lockbox are just too cool to pass up.

[Jaylaf]

Yeah, I ordered the Limited Edition from Amazon. In addition to all of the normal extras, I'll get a Liberty City license plate. Kinda cool.

[scootman]

i just want to play some of that GTAIV multi-player. from what i was reading in my xbox magazine, it sounds sick

[batfish]

Now the question remains is who's going to be picking up at midnight?

I'm sure as hell not.

I've only done one midnight opening related thing and that was for Spider-Man 3. Worst decision, ever!

[damnedeyez]

Eh, I always pre-order through Amazon. Of course, sometimes it's late because of it. This is one reason why I didn't take the first week of May off to play the game but the second.

[fashionDR]

Now the question remains is who's going to be picking up at midnight?

I'm sure as hell not.

I've only done one midnight opening related thing and that was for Spider-Man 3. Worst decision, ever!

I feel for you brother.

The game crazy down the road from me is doing a midnight release and I'll be there for sure. This will be the first opportunity to attend a midnight release that I've had, and for a game like this I just couldn't pass it up. My town also has a gamestop and an EB's, so hopefully it won't be too crazy busy when I go to pick up my copy.

I can't wait to get it home and just play until I pass out on the couch...

[taozoo4u]

just saying (http://kotaku.com/381584/gta-iv-gets-its-first-taste-of-console-nitpicking)

[Heyseuss]

just saying (http://kotaku.com/381584/gta-iv-gets-its-first-taste-of-console-nitpicking)

Oh no!!!!!! A 5 minute install !!!!!! HOLY CRAP !!!!!


Wait, I don't care.

[GoNZooo]

Hehe, if I didn't have 5 minutes to spare I wouldn't be playing games. :)

[fashionDR]

Oh no!!!!!! A 5 minute install !!!!!! HOLY CRAP !!!!!


Wait, I don't care.

Agreed.

You can tell who has never played a game on PC before *SPOILER ALERT* Every game has to be installed!

[Heyseuss]

Agreed.

You can tell who has never played a game on PC before *SPOILER ALERT* Every game has to be installed!

These complainin lil bastards who never had to load games on a 286, or download porn one pixel at a time.

[fashionDR]

These complainin lil bastards who never had to load games on a 286, or download porn one pixel at a time.

Don't even get me started on loading games from tape on a Commodore 64...

[Heyseuss]

Don't even get me started on loading games from tape on a Commodore 64...

I started on a Tandy TRS-80 in the early 80's, they just sent you the code and you typed in Line10goto?@ . . . crap over and over until you had a rough version of pong table tennis. Tapes came out later.

[fashionDR]

I started on a Tandy TRS-80 in the early 80's, they just sent you the code and you typed in Line10goto?@ . . . crap over and over until you had a rough version of pong table tennis. Tapes came out later.

You are old school my friend. I had an Atari 2600 first, simple cartridges all the way. I think if I had to program just to play something I wouldn't have gotten into gaming, that sounds like a nightmare! And people have the nerve to complain about a 5 minute install, the youth of today...

[damnedeyez]

5 minutes isn't bad...it's only once, and it's not like it's 20+ minutes (which isn't that bad if you know it's coming)

[stubadub]

5 minutes doesn't seem like a big deal to me. I'll be picking it up on the 360, but that's because of my achievement addiction.

Is anybody planning on getting the special edition? I'm still trying to decide. I normally don't go for them, but that safety deposit box looks cool.

[jae]

i definitely sprung for the limited edition set. although, i did it because i have an unhealty addiction to the gta series. i've owned pretty much every gta game since the first (gta advance excepted.)

so of course i went and spent the $30 for the extras. i don't think $30 is too much to ask considering what you're getting. it feels like much more bang for your buck than some of the other limited edition games (*cough* R6V2 *cough* assassin's creed *cough* halo 3 legendary edition* *cough*)

also, i will be getting the ps3 edition, for 2 reasons: 1. i only have a ps3; 2. despite having played gta3 and vice city on the xbox, somehow gta feels at home on the playstation controller to me.

[Jaylaf]

A couple things:

I noticed something a while ago, that I've been meaning to get on here to mention. I work at a theater, mostly starting the projectors. I noticed that we play a GTA4 advertisement. It's a machinima kind of thing, with this blond kid (I presume it's an ingame, MP character) promoting Liberty City as a great tourist site. It's the typical tongue-in-cheek GTA comedy, but I think it's a Gamestop commercial. Has anyone seen it, or one like it?

Also, I think that very soon, as the release date approaches, we should either use this thread, or start another, where we organize some MP (as well as PS3 and 360 clans or something, if that's an option I haven't read about). I'm excited to get in on some TRS GTA action, from the ground floor!

[damnedeyez]

It's the typical tongue-in-cheek GTA comedy, but I think it's a Gamestop commercial. Has anyone seen it, or one like it?

yep...when I first saw it, I thought "new trailer? why hasn't this been mentioned?"...then got to the end and saw the gamestop part.

[scoobydiesel]

I want the LE but dont even know when I'm getting GTA as it stands right now...

[damnedeyez]

I do have issues with the license plate we'll get through amazon... GTA1V? they couldn't have done GTA IV?

[Jaylaf]

I do have issues with the license plate we'll get through amazon... GTA1V? they couldn't have done GTA IV?

"GTA1V" huh? I didn't notice that. Well, all the LE stuff looks pretty cool to me. Everyone mentions the lockbox, and it IS pretty sweet-looking, but the keys to it are on a pretty slick little R* keychain.

And you KNOW I'm gonna be slapping that license plate on the front of my car! I'll just have to remind myself not to plow over any pedestrians. Oh, and no drive-by shootings. ;)

[gglynn00]

Next week can't come fast enough...I'm salavating for this game. I bought my copy in Decatur, IL and now I'm working in Indy, IN and have to drive 120 miles to pick my copy up when it comes out...Oh well, I'll think of some excuse to road trip over there next tues.

[damnedeyez]

Next week can't come fast enough...I'm salavating for this game.


I know the feeling...I broke down and finally got around to replacing my tv and monitor (well, I ordered a tv Sunday...it's supposed to be here today. I was grumbling to myself because it was still listed as Allentown, PA only a few minutes ago...but it finally hit the local facility in CT). I'd also taken the first full week of may off (expecting Amazon to have a dealy like they do with every game I anticipate.) Not to mention, I splurged and finally ordered a replacement chair (this one tilts to the right...not good for my back, and the padding is rather flat these days.)


So, yeah...I'm a bit anxious.

[dolson]

Heh.
http://www.nintendowiifanboy.com/2008/04/20/grand-theft-auto-nes/

[fashionDR]

I know the feeling...I broke down and finally got around to replacing my tv and monitor (well, I ordered a tv Sunday...it's supposed to be here today. I was grumbling to myself because it was still listed as Allentown, PA only a few minutes ago...but it finally hit the local facility in CT). I'd also taken the first full week of may off (expecting Amazon to have a dealy like they do with every game I anticipate.) Not to mention, I splurged and finally ordered a replacement chair (this one tilts to the right...not good for my back, and the padding is rather flat these days.)


So, yeah...I'm a bit anxious.

I haven't quite gone that far, but I did get my new Dual Shock 3 in the mail yesterday in anticipation. Next Monday is going to be a killer waiting until midnight...

[damnedeyez]

I haven't quite gone that far, but I did get my new Dual Shock 3 in the mail yesterday in anticipation. Next Monday is going to be a killer waiting until midnight...

Well, I've been putting off getting the TV for quite awhile...last year it was "when either the TV or Monitor give out"...end of last year on up til Sunday it was "Either when the TV or monitor give out, the price drops beyond a certain point, or I get my refund." I figured the refund is next month, may as well go on and get it. The chair was getting annoying, and the thought of sitting in it for long hours when GTA IV came out, mixed with the new tv, just put me over the edge.

Next week is going to be short, but rough.

[fashionDR]

IGN have released some more multiplayer mode details. (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/868/868629p1.html)

A lot of stuff we already knew. But the ability to use your phone in multiplayer to call a team mate for a private chat, or to call an opposing teams player to confuse them or talk smack makes tears well in my eyes at its sheer brilliance.

Also the 16 player free mode could be the greatest thing to happen to gaming ever. My favorite thing about any GTA game is just exploring the city, jumping off ramps, creating havoc and fighting off the police or simply piling up cars before throwing a grenade at them to enjoy the explosion. I magine how good it will be to do that, with 15 other people doing the same, all in the same city! Especially when you can customize the amount of NPC's, police on or off, weather, time of day etc. Talk about the ultimate playground. I really liked some of the suggestions they came up with for using free play to creat your own multiplayer games.

This week is killing me!

[az0madman]

Wish it had local multiplayer. I wanted to play it with some people who don't have a next-gen system.

Awesome news on the free roam. I always loved just messing around in GTA for the hell of it, and even better now that there will be others. I think that's one feature that all of us TRSers will need to play together. I think I'll have the most fun with Cops and Robbers. I thought the concept was great in Kane and Lynch, but with all the news against K&L, I didn't bother with the game.

Damn... Now I don't know what I want to play more. Single player or multiplayer...

[fashionDR]

I think that's one feature that all of us TRSers will need to play together.

Agreed to the max! It will be great fun to be just socialising with fellow TRS'ers while running amok together in liberty city. Who needs Playstation Home? In fact, if we can play the mingames in GTA (like pool, bowling, drinking and driving etc) in multiplayer, then I think Home just got Pwned!

[Jaylaf]

(expecting Amazon to have a dealy like they do with every game I anticipate.)

What you said here may not pertain to my question whatsoever (and I could just be completely misinterpreting, but I'll ask anyways.

It seems like I've caught some vague references to Amazon, and how it works (or doesn't) with them. Are we potentially going to have trouble with our deliveries? My wife ordered the last few Harry Potter books through them, and they arrived on release day. I'm wondering if that's going to be possible with GTA4. But, I figure probably not, since I still had to choose between shipping charge options.

I chose to pay for 2-day delivery instead of the free option, cause I didn't want to wait 5-9 days to get the frickin' thing!

[dolson]

I order often from Amazon.ca (since I'm in Canada), and my orders, as long as things are in stock, take 1 to 3 business days at the most, with the Super Saver Shipping (free). Usually it's overnight or two days... Amazingly fast, anyhow.

I have never pre-ordered a game from Amazon since all stores* in my area have plenty of copies in stock on release day, no matter how big the game... Guitar Hero 3, Rock Band, Smash Bros Brawl, all of them were in stock on release day, as long as you got there early (Smash Bros I saw hundreds of copies at FutureShop alone.. The day after release. lol).

* - The one exception would be EB Games. Their retarded policy is to order one or two extra copies of a game, if any, on top of pre-orders. Sure, it makes sense if the game store is a small fry, but EB Games/GameStop is huge now, and they have made record profits.. There is no need to be so conservative, especially with a game like Resident Evil 4, for example. I can understand being conservative for the smaller stuff. Meh.

[damnedeyez]

I've had occasional things (obviously the more anticipated games/cds/dvds...otherwise I wouldn't notice) take awhile. My attitude is a mixture of things...part of it is being a bit spoiled on how they handle cds and dvds (if you preorder, they tend to ship early so you get them on the day of release.) Burnout Paradise didn't really have any issues, it just didn't get here until wednesday or Thursday.

I have had games (and a cd set even) delayed a week or two for no reason I could tell. I'm assuming they just didn't get their shipments from the publisher on time. (It's most frustrating when your order hasn't even hit 'shipping soon' yet the item page shows In Stock.) It's not usually the case, but since I took time off of work I figured I'd play it safe...not to mention it works out as more time that way.

[GoNZooo]

Sooo... It's leaked. :p

I'm excited to hear people's first impressions. Won't be downloading it, as I haven't done the things necessary to play burned games on my 360 (and probably never will).

This makes me more excited for next week. I'm hoping this gets the game a boost just before release, even though I'm sure I'm in a minority in thinking this could be good for the game's release. :)

[Books]

I order often from Amazon.ca (since I'm in Canada), and my orders, as long as things are in stock, take 1 to 3 business days at the most, with the Super Saver Shipping (free). Usually it's overnight or two days... Amazingly fast, anyhow.


It is probably because you are located very close to one of their warehouse's. I know that my house is like 3 minutes from their warehouse, so I get things like basically the next day. Hehe...

[dolson]

It is probably because you are located very close to one of their warehouse's. I know that my house is like 3 minutes from their warehouse, so I get things like basically the next day. Hehe...

I don't think so.. I'm like, four and a half hours north of Toronto. I think their closest warehouse is in... Mississauga? But maybe it's a secret, underground warehouse.. Concealed by the military.. So nobody here knows about it.

[wideawakewesley]

Sooo... It's leaked. :p

I'm excited to hear people's first impressions. Won't be downloading it, as I haven't done the things necessary to play burned games on my 360 (and probably never will).

This makes me more excited for next week. I'm hoping this gets the game a boost just before release, even though I'm sure I'm in a minority in thinking this could be good for the game's release. :)

Apparently YouTube are working overtime to take down any videos of the leaked copy.

Wes

[Books]

I don't think so.. I'm like, four and a half hours north of Toronto. I think their closest warehouse is in... Mississauga? But maybe it's a secret, underground warehouse.. Concealed by the military.. So nobody here knows about it.

Ya, the Missisauga one is near my house and the one I am talking about.

[kevie]

Okay so basically GTA4 is coming out pretty soon and i was over at ustream checking out random 24/7 streams and various video game streams of GH3 and COD4 and i thought someone should do a 24/7 GTA4 on ustream or some other live streaming site.....
Is this a stupid idea or is it totally rad?

[az0madman]

justin.tv/swiftor

The guy's playing a leaked version of GTA4 if anyone wants to watch. Someone was doing it yesterday too, but this is a direct TV feed I think.

I'm trying hard not to spoil myself. I really want to experience the game first hand.

[assjacket]

yeah, go to the site that az0 mentions, i was watching the guy play earlier today.
I actually was just on and Swiftor stopped broadcasting because he said he was just contacted by Take2's lawyers!

[fashionDR]

yeah, go to the site that az0 mentions, i was watching the guy play earlier today.
I actually was just on and Swiftor stopped broadcasting because he said he was just contacted by Take2's lawyers!

PWND!

I'm kind of glad that the temptation has been taken away, the closer this game gets, the more I need it!

[az0madman]

yeah, go to the site that az0 mentions, i was watching the guy play earlier today.
I actually was just on and Swiftor stopped broadcasting because he said he was just contacted by Take2's lawyers!

Haha, wow. Even the highlights are gone. Hope no legal action needs to be taken, but I understand if they don't want it shown.

Temptation you say fashion? They just won't quit:

http://www.justin.tv/sculay

That's cam feed though, pretty bad to watch so temptation might be non-existent there.

[fashionDR]

IGN review is up (also they have the first video review). Why do they torture us so?!

Check it out if you dare! (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/869/869541p1.html)

[dolson]

What the eff? I can understand that a game could be great, but 10 out of 10? That should mean that every single person should rush out and buy it right now, and there is no such game that every single person would enjoy enough to warrant mass purchases across the entire globe. At least that's what I reserve my 10/10s for... :P How many other perfect 10s have IGN given out?

[inertianinja]

i wasn't planning on picking this up for a while, especially since i have so many other games going on right now.

but IGN's review was literally the most positive review i've ever seen of a game. not one single criticism, in fact they said they'd be willing to pay $300 for the game.

jeez

[fashionDR]

What the eff? I can understand that a game could be great, but 10 out of 10? That should mean that every single person should rush out and buy it right now, and there is no such game that every single person would enjoy enough to warrant mass purchases across the entire globe. At least that's what I reserve my 10/10s for... :P How many other perfect 10s have IGN given out?

I know what you're saying, but there is no point in having a system based on a 10 point scale if you can't give out a 10. That just means that a perfect game can only get a score of 9.5 or whatever. They say in the review that they don't reserve 10's for perfect games (because no such game exists) but for games which define and push genres while getting almost everything right. In fact their only complaint was that the cover system can sometimes (though very rarely) attach you to the wrong thing, which sounds like a pretty small complaint to me.

IGN don't give out very many perfect 10's, the last one for a console game was for the original Soul Caliber in 1999.

[dolson]

I understand what you're saying about using a 10-point scale, and not being able to give out a 10 not making sense - I agree, and normally I accept this argument.

However, IGN is not using a 10-point scale, they are using a percentile, with the decimal place moved. It's harder to justify a 100% rating for any game, you have to agree, as 100% implies perfection, which nothing is. And so, why not 99%? People will say "99%, may as well just be 100%." Nothing's perfect, but a 10-point scale 10 out of 10 would be acceptable because of the lack of resolution in score selection. But IGN uses ten times the resolution of a 10-point scale, and I guarantee you that if I pick up GTAIV, I could put together a list of enough issues and flaws to knock at least a percentage from the score of the game. Guaranteed.

[fashionDR]

I hear ya. For instance, I doubt that the graphics would really deserve a 10, are they better than Uncharted? Or COD4? I'm sure they will be gorgeous to look at, especially for an open world game, but I don't think they will be the best graphics I've seen.

Having said that, I think they are rating it based on the type of game it is, and how each element fits into that game, rather than comparing it to other games in other genres.

And in the end it doesn't really matter what they say, I'm getting it anyway, 3 days to go, w00t!!!

[dolson]

Hmm, I just listened to the 55-minute audio review done by four members of the IGN team... This isn't even a game I ever plan on playing... But uh, they mentioned that Bas Rutten is in the game, and so, I will allow any flaws with the game amounting anywhere up to about 7% slide. So I guess it does deserve 100% after all.

[puddlefish]

As far as I'm concerned, 10 out of 10 means that the game achieves everything that it set out to to the highest degree possible. It doesn't mean that everybody should own it. GTA4 obviously isn't for everyone, if you LOVE platformers above all else you won't like it as much as, Mario Galaxy.

A score of 10 just means that the reviewer thinks that this game deserves the highest accolade that they can give it.

[BanzaiBk]

GAME Ireland aren't honouring their Special Edition preorders, apparently they never ordered SE copies in the first place:( Thankfully I've my SE preordered in Gamestop.

[dolson]

As far as I'm concerned, 10 out of 10 means that the game achieves everything that it set out to to the highest degree possible. It doesn't mean that everybody should own it. GTA4 obviously isn't for everyone, if you LOVE platformers above all else you won't like it as much as, Mario Galaxy.

A score of 10 just means that the reviewer thinks that this game deserves the highest accolade that they can give it.

If you read my post, I agree with that.

But I don't agree that 100 out of 100 means that, I think 100 out of 100 means that the game is absolutely flawless, and every single person should rush out and buy it right now. IGN uses a 100-point scale.

[forthekids85]

If you read my post, I agree with that.

But I don't agree that 100 out of 100 means that, I think 100 out of 100 means that the game is absolutely flawless, and every single person should rush out and buy it right now. IGN uses a 100-point scale.

10 out of 10 and 100 out of 100 are exactly the same thing, man. And IGN uses a scale of 0.0 to 10, but I'm assuming you're calling the addition of decimals a 100 point scale.

Honestly, nothing is absolutely flawless to every person out there. There will never be a perfect game, movie, or show for everyone and anyone. This is more like a five star rating on a hotel.. the hotel is the best of the best, but it doesn't mean that you can't find something to complain about there.

[dolson]

10 out of 10 and 100 out of 100 are exactly the same thing, man. And IGN uses a scale of 0.0 to 10, but I'm assuming you're calling the addition of decimals a 100 point scale.

Honestly, nothing is absolutely flawless to every person out there. There will never be a perfect game, movie, or show for everyone and anyone. This is more like a five star rating on a hotel.. the hotel is the best of the best, but it doesn't mean that you can't find something to complain about there.

Uh, The Shield???

[gobo]

Not all of us are named Jeff Cannata :)

[dolson]

Not all of us are named Jeff Cannata :)

No, but it's a goal we can work towards.

[shakermaker]

This game does have allot of crime, profanity etc. however I find during play I choose missions and make decisions that are generally good. I really love the open ended game, and everyone will have a unique experience playing this game, and I think that's part of the appeal, there are no two gamers that are the same. I think every gamer has to play this, specially if they want to pursue a career in gaming. The projected sales of this game has beat any of the blockbuster movies out there, I think gaming is a big part of our culture and it's definitely not just for kids but for young adults, that in itself has made this game and series a part of history.

[dolson]

Well, I picked it up... I thought it would be truly open-ended, and to a certain extent it is, but it's really just linear missions with a bit of flexibility. It's good, not a 10/10 good, but good. I hate the camera that is slow to turn, and I don't understand the decision to implement SIXAXIS controls for the bike and chopper, but not the cars.. Stupid. Graphics are really aliased in 720p, but better than I was expecting.

A real open-ended game is more like Oblivion, IMHO, but then, I've only played about 3 hours of this and about 23 hours of that.. But it just seems that there's a lot of limitations on the outcomes in GTAIV.

Still though, I enjoy it, and it's nice not hearing the exact same voice clips over and over like in The Godfather.

[damnedeyez]

I like it already, and it's not even done installing... (predominance of the chick licking the lolli, go figure)

I was half expecting FedEx to deliver it tomorrow.

[dolson]

I like it already, and it's not even done installing... (predominance of the chick licking the lolli, go figure)

lol, it gets even better.

[NJShadow]

The only problem with me so far is the frame rate. I'm used to playing Burnout Paradise where the frame rate is ultra high and very smooth. GTA just seems a bit choppy. I've only played about 2 hours so far and I'm kinda 50/50 on liking it. I think I just need more time to get used to it.

[aerodash84]

I wish the camera stayed behind the car better. I'd spin out and had to reset the camera behind me. So is Rockstar developing Sony's Home? I think they have some mini-games that Home is supposed to have. Can't wait to try some multi-player later.

[dolson]

NO WONDER IGN gave it a perfect 10/10! They're starring in the game. Hell, they could put my sorry ass into Barbie Horse Adventure and I'd give it a perfect score too. :p

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/870/870282p1.html

[MrPopular]

It's So EPIC.

I wonder if next weeks TRS will be chuck full of stuff w/ IRON MAN & GTA IV or if they'll give GTA another week

[bobafettjm]

I got it this morning and had a chance to play like an hour or two before coming to work. So far it hasn't really grabbed me, but I am anxious to go home and play some more to see what this game really has going for it.

[damnedeyez]

...

the prostitutes are more...detailed.


Otherwise, it feels a lot like True Crime.



Edit: And when did this whole 'change the controller layout' movement start?

[JC Magnus]

So far I am certainly enjoying the game but it is in no way a 10/10 perfect game. These gaming website are making this game sound like Jesus (or Jésus). Yes it's fun, great and even awesome, but at the end of the day it still suffers from stuttering framerates every once in a while, and shouldn't a 10/10 game just make you go "WOW" as soon as the game starts?

GTAIV is a huge improvement over the last set of Grand Theft Auto games, but at the end of the day it is just a much cleaner, smoother and more playable version of those games. I do no regret my purchase, but it annoys me how these sites give it perfect scores despite noticeable issues.

[dolson]

So far I am certainly enjoying the game but it is in no way a 10/10 perfect game. These gaming website are making this game sound like Jesus (or Jésus).

Yup. Well, I mean, if it were given a maximum score on a 4, 5, or 10-point scale, I could understand that to a degree. An A+ rating as well, I could see. But, having played it now myself, I know it's not a 100%, 100/100, or 10.0 out of 10.0 game. No way. The camera turns too slow when you're driving a car, and trying to climb a ladder is frustrating as shit, and don't get me started on the camera annoyance while trying to go up several flights of stairs.. Texture-popping, poly-clipping.. It's all here worse than many other games recently. I still like it but it's not a perfect game.

It makes me question why exactly, for the first time in NINE years, they decided on this game to give out perfect scores... Why not Galaxy? Why not Bioshock? Why not COD4? Oblivion? How can this not be GOTY 2008 for IGN if this is the only 10.0?

[lindqvist]

Well, I picked it up... I thought it would be truly open-ended, and to a certain extent it is, but it's really just linear missions with a bit of flexibility. It's good, not a 10/10 good, but good. I hate the camera that is slow to turn, and I don't understand the decision to implement SIXAXIS controls for the bike and chopper, but not the cars.. Stupid. Graphics are really aliased in 720p, but better than I was expecting.

A real open-ended game is more like Oblivion, IMHO, but then, I've only played about 3 hours of this and about 23 hours of that.. But it just seems that there's a lot of limitations on the outcomes in GTAIV.

Still though, I enjoy it, and it's nice not hearing the exact same voice clips over and over like in The Godfather.

I got a chance to play it last night and I feel much the same way.

Regarding the sixaxis, I would think that they reasoned that as you lean the controller the vehicle should lean, which makes sense for turning a bike, but not so much for a car. Or maybe they just found that it didn't work too well for cars.

Overall, what I've seen so far makes me think that it's a great game, but not a 10/10.
I really look forward to playing it more, though!

[dolson]

Fair enough about the SIXAXIS... I'm probably one of five people who actually use the controls anyhow, but I know that it is possible to have good car controls. The chopper controls are pretty wonky, but maybe I'm just doing it wrong.. Heh. Anyhow, I am the only one I know who plays Burnout Paradise with the SIXAXIS steering, but I love it and I can't play it any other way. :)

[forthekids85]

Graphics are really aliased in 720p, but better than I was expecting.

Just a heads up.. I read this morning that the PS3 GTA IV is actually 640p, not 720.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/30/ps3-grand-theft-auto-iv-is-640p-nobody-cares/

360 version, of course, is 720p. :D

[dolson]

Just a heads up.. I read this morning that the PS3 GTA IV is actually 640p, not 720.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/30/ps3-grand-theft-auto-iv-is-640p-nobody-cares/

360 version, of course, is 720p. :D

Yeah, I read all about that yesterday. Pretty weird that Xbox 360 version has better resolution, and yet the reviewers say the PS3 version looks better...

[gobo]

There's a lot more important stuff than resolution when determining which looks better

[dolson]

There's a lot more important stuff than resolution when determining which looks better

Well, I am not 100% sure what you're referring to, but whatever it is, I wish Nintendo would start doing it on Wii games!

[forthekids85]

I haven't got the game yet (zero cash), but from what I've heard the PS3 has brighter, more vivid colors.. so that may be what reviewers are referring to.

[gobo]

Other non resolution related graphical qualities are: better textues, quicker rendering, draw distances, jaggies, framerate issues etc...

Basically it's not the number of pixels, it's what you do with them.

[dolson]

Basically it's not the number of pixels, it's what you do with them.

That's what she said.

[GI_Josh]

So this games good. I've been playing for a few hours now. I'm still not completely sold on the whole vulgarity of it all (Does one of the pedestrians REALLY need to yell "Cheesy Vagina"?), but I do enjoy the game.

Plus, the story is WAY more compelling than any previous GTA I've played.

[wideawakewesley]

Not really a huge surprise but GTA4 has become biggest video game launch of all time in the UK. In a rare move Chart Track has released the full sales information to the public:


Sales information:
631,000 in first 24 hours
926,000 in the first week.
61.2% of software sold was GTA4.
Xbox 360 version sold the most copies.


Read the full article at Chart Track:
http://www.chart-track.co.uk/?i=547&s=1111

The juggernaut rolleth!

[Heyseuss]

The juggernaut rolleth!

Can you find me one of those links for the whole world or USA ?

[wideawakewesley]

I don't think it's been announced yet unfortunately.

[Heyseuss]

I don't think it's been announced yet unfortunately.

It's only been 6.5 days, the 7th isn't over yet. I'm keen to know.

BTW, an album I'm slightly involved with came out today, please go buy, 'Home Before Dark'.

[masherscf]

The Michelle chick is pretty easy. Buy her a few burgers and she's all yours.

[Heyseuss]

The Michelle chick is pretty easy. Buy her a few burgers and she's all yours.

Getting some late-night gaming in Mash huh ? I've no children or wife, nor job or important thing to do with my time, and I still don't have the game.

[GI_Josh]

The Michelle chick is pretty easy. Buy her a few burgers and she's all yours.

Yeah, I've banged Michelle so many times its boring now. Is there ever a point to it all?

[GI_Josh]

BTW, an album I'm slightly involved with came out today, please go buy, 'Home Before Dark'.

You and Neil Diamond are buddies?

[gobo]

Heheh, there's definitely a point to Michelle. You'll see :)

[damnedeyez]

The Michelle chick is pretty easy. Buy her a few burgers and she's all yours.

None of them are difficult...though all of them and the friends get really annoying with the maintenance. Just get an idea what they like and wear/drive that...then just take them to shows a few times. (Amusing oddball stuff in Hove Beach, Ricky Gervais or Katt Williams in The Triangle.) Most of them like the strip clubs.

Getting drunk is a hoot...sucks you can't get a cab though, they force you to walk or drive.

[gobo]

Uhh, you can get a cab when you're drunk.

Same way as you do when you're sober, I always take a cab when I'm drunk.

[damnedeyez]

Uhh, you can get a cab when you're drunk.

Same way as you do when you're sober, I always take a cab when I'm drunk.


I tried to get in for 10 minutes and it wouldn't let me...and Roman wasn't answering.

I'll have to try again.

[enemybrick]

just got to the second island, crashing at Roman's g/f's place, and Im STILL having trouble with the new driving tweaks..

[Mega Man]

Yeah Michelle ain't all fun and games. You'll see...

[APSwesthome]

Yeah Michelle ain't all fun and games. You'll see...

she's so shady... i know something is up. it's weird i might try to kill her :( ;)

iono i guess i just got the GTA bug...

[APSwesthome]

just got to the second island, crashing at Roman's g/f's place, and Im STILL having trouble with the new driving tweaks..

they change the driving??? yey??!?! it's so jelloish. i fill like i'm driving hover crafts or something...

[radzack]

hey email me your gamertags and we'll wreak some havok!!!

radzack@gmail.com

[masherscf]

they change the driving??? yey??!?! it's so jelloish. i fill like i'm driving hover crafts or something...


The driving is okay. There is a real difference between the different cars. I find it helps to drive from the 1-person perspective.

On the other hand, fly the helicopter with the Sixaxis is a joke.

[GI_Josh]

Interesting about Michelle....I'm only at the second safehouse, and just got there, so I guess I'll found out.

[masherscf]

Interesting about Michelle....I'm only at the second safehouse, and just got there, so I guess I'll found out.

I was hard enough for me to figure out which restaurant to take her too. I took her to the bar a few times...not a good idea. I went drinking with Roman and ended up getting chased by the cops for the drunk driving. Roman ended us in the hospital and I nearly killed the both of us.

[gobo]

I think there's actually skill levels for driving bikes and cars like there was in GTA:SA but they just don't show it explicitly like in that game because cars are working GREAT for me now.

I really like how they feel and I can totally control the cars and make turns, but you really have to slow down and accelerate out of the turn.

[esophagus]

Dang. Just read through all of this hoping to see something that would convince me I need to go out and buy a console (that isn't my Wii). Seems fairly negative so far.

[gobo]

I was hard enough for me to figure out which restaurant to take her too. I took her to the bar a few times...not a good idea. I went drinking with Roman and ended up getting chased by the cops for the drunk driving. Roman ended us in the hospital and I nearly killed the both of us.

That's what you get for drunk driving ;)

[damnedeyez]

Maybe it's just me, but the more I like a game, the more the problems I have with it tick me off.


:: goes back to yelling at the TV about Jacob and his helicopter ::


Edit: oh yeah, I finally managed to get in a cab while drunk (with a date, no less...she got in easier than I did.)

[masherscf]

I think there's actually skill levels for driving bikes and cars like there was in GTA:SA but they just don't show it explicitly like in that game because cars are working GREAT for me now.

I really like how they feel and I can totally control the cars and make turns, but you really have to slow down and accelerate out of the turn.

Dan was basically wrong about not being able to turn. Each car handles differently, but turning smoothly is def possible.

One of the most striking things is how lethal wiping-out on the bike can be. In VC and SA, it's fairly forgiving.

[dolson]

People on the PS3 having issues, there is now a patch available. Just FYI.

[masherscf]

People on the PS3 having issues, there is now a patch available. Just FYI.

Hot damn!

[damnedeyez]

If only it fixed this mission issue...

well, hopefully it fixes my dualshock load freeze thingy.


Edit: woohoo, it loaded with the dualshock!

[GI_Josh]

I was hard enough for me to figure out which restaurant to take her too. I took her to the bar a few times...not a good idea. I went drinking with Roman and ended up getting chased by the cops for the drunk driving. Roman ended us in the hospital and I nearly killed the both of us.

I still haven't taken anyone out to get drunk....I need to do that :)

[masherscf]

I still haven't taken anyone out to get drunk....I need to do that :)

Darts are so much less hazardous.

[nobodysleeps]

One thing I wanted to get off my chest.

Is it just me or is the first car jacking of this game supposed to be amazing for the player? Maybe I got lucky.


I was set free to do whatever I want in the city. I ran around for a bit, looking at cars and my surroundings and what not. I see a car that I think looks pretty nice parked on the side of the rode so I decide to go jack.

It's locked...damn...I turn to my wife and start to comment on the possibility of needing an item or learning an ability that will let me steal locked cars. In the middle of my sentence Niko kicks in the window and hops in.. i got the prompt about hot wiring cars. I can hot wire!? In the meantime The Journey is the selected station and the song from the first GTA IV trailer is playing( the Philip Glass one). I drive off and it's EPIC.

My jaw was wide open during this, my first car jacking. You have to understand that this is after having played GTA San Andreas for two weeks prior. Where you could just walk into any car on the road. I thought this first car jacking was intentionally placed there by Rockstar for the player to experience.

[masherscf]

One thing I wanted to get off my chest.

Is it just me or is the first car jacking of this game supposed to be amazing for the player? Maybe I got lucky.

Welcome to GTA. In the past, you just hopped in any car. Basically, the city is your used car lot. You just grab whatever. On the downside, it's hard to keep a car that you really like. They're always getting destroyed or lost on missions. But, they don't call it "Grand Theft Auto" for nothing.

[dannyt]

Dan was basically wrong about not being able to turn. Each car handles differently, but turning smoothly is def possible.

One of the most striking things is how lethal wiping-out on the bike can be. In VC and SA, it's fairly forgiving.

I disagree sir.

I am 40% done the game now and while different cars are BETTER, it still ain't great. I believe my problem is really with the camera, perhaps more so than the handling. In walking and driving-- the camera is ALWAYS too slow so that person or car turns way before you get a chance to see what they are turning into-- I've never had this issue with any other 3rd person advneture or driving game...

[Jaylaf]

hey email me your gamertags and we'll wreak some havok!!!

radzack@gmail.com


There's a thread called "360 GTA Multiplayer Matchups" that ought to be useful for you. Sorry I can't stick the link in, since I'm posting this from my phone.

[radzack]

I disagree sir.

I am 40% done the game now and while different cars are BETTER, it still ain't great. I believe my problem is really with the camera, perhaps more so than the handling. In walking and driving-- the camera is ALWAYS too slow so that person or car turns way before you get a chance to see what they are turning into-- I've never had this issue with any other 3rd person advneture or driving game...

I agree completely. I've played every other gta as well and it's all been way different than this. The camera is horrible. Yes, eventuall you get used to it, and some cars may handle better...but all in all...it's pretty hard to do.

[az0madman]

Can any car make a decent fast turn without doing a 180 or 360? The 180 looks rad when you're parking, but it doesn't help when someone turned the corner and you gotta go after them. Maybe I'm doing it wrong, I don't know... I just hate having to actually slow down enough to turn. Really takes you out of the moment.

I agree that I always wished the driving to be more like Burnout. It's one of the more frustrating parts of the game when you have to chase someone down.

And a lock-on for shooting while driving would've been nice too damnit. I can't shoot without crashing since you're aiming and steering the car...

Argh, I just hate having to redo chase missions. I spend so long chasing after them and then lose them because I spin out of control.

[masherscf]

I disagree sir.

I am 40% done the game now and while different cars are BETTER, it still ain't great. I believe my problem is really with the camera, perhaps more so than the handling. In walking and driving-- the camera is ALWAYS too slow so that person or car turns way before you get a chance to see what they are turning into-- I've never had this issue with any other 3rd person adventure or driving game...


I actually drive the cars in first person. Maybe that's cheating. But, I don't have as much trouble maneuvering the car as you report. I have noticed that using the hand-break in a turn is much more difficult than in GTA:SA. If I over break, the car almost always spins-out.

Anyone, I recommend switching to first person whenever the driving becomes important.

[7h0m45]

i finished the story mode today with 67% completion in 24 hrs 38 min. i will try to get 100% at some point.

i thought the story was great and i really liked that they gave you options to choose different scenarios. i have not played the multiplayer yet but i'm sure its all kinds of awesome.

[fashionDR]

Can any car make a decent fast turn without doing a 180 or 360? The 180 looks rad when you're parking, but it doesn't help when someone turned the corner and you gotta go after them. Maybe I'm doing it wrong, I don't know... I just hate having to actually slow down enough to turn. Really takes you out of the moment.

I agree that I always wished the driving to be more like Burnout. It's one of the more frustrating parts of the game when you have to chase someone down.

And a lock-on for shooting while driving would've been nice too damnit. I can't shoot without crashing since you're aiming and steering the car...

Argh, I just hate having to redo chase missions. I spend so long chasing after them and then lose them because I spin out of control.

I did a race today in a Comet (the porsche lookalike) and when driven properly, that thing runs like it's on rails. I was so far out in front when I got to the finish line, and I wasn't even flooring it.

The driving just takes some practice, and you need to think about it a little more realistically than previous GTA's. No you can't fly into a corner at full speed and expect to be able to coast around the corner by pulling the handbrake. I'm sure if I tried that in my Corolla I would end up half a mile down the street (if I didn't plow into a power pole first).

The best way is to brake hard just before the corner, while you're still facing straight ahead, then turn the car into the corner and hit the gas hard, in a higher powered, rear wheel drive car this should get the wheels spinning and push the back end out and around the corner, a front wheel drive might require a quick, light tap on the handrake (with emphasis on the quick and light!).

It just takes practice, and of course a nicer car will handle a lot better than a junkheap, so steal discriminately!

[veras126]

I did a race today in a Comet (the porsche lookalike) and when driven properly, that thing runs like it's on rails. I was so far out in front when I got to the finish line, and I wasn't even flooring it.

The driving just takes some practice, and you need to think about it a little more realistically than previous GTA's. No you can't fly into a corner at full speed and expect to be able to coast around the corner by pulling the handbrake. I'm sure if I tried that in my Corolla I would end up half a mile down the street (if I didn't plow into a power pole first).

The best way is to brake hard just before the corner, while you're still facing straight ahead, then turn the car into the corner and hit the gas hard, in a higher powered, rear wheel drive car this should get the wheels spinning and push the back end out and around the corner, a front wheel drive might require a quick, light tap on the handrake (with emphasis on the quick and light!).

It just takes practice, and of course a nicer car will handle a lot better than a junkheap, so steal discriminately!

I agree with all of this..

I sucked at the beginning but when you find the trick to driving ,everything flows better. Haven't crashed around corners in a while, but with that being said, I agree that it's not as good as I want it to be. Camera is slow but I handle the camera myself with the right joystick and it's not a big problem for me.

The only thing that really, REALLY frustrates me is the aiming system. It just doesn't help when you are trying to shoot 5 different dudes and the dude that is infront of you is a priority, fckn autoaim chooses the dude in the middle.


I still enjoy the game tho, it's way too addictive and it's also a good way to remove real life frustrations (hooray for stabbing fake people).

[dolson]

http://discuss.extremetech.com/forums/thread/1004412859.aspx

That's a pretty funny article/forum post, for the most part... Boo hoo, you can kill pigeons? Give me a break! lol

My excuse why you shouldn't buy GTAIV: if you're not a fan of a game series, your money is better spent on games you know you'll like. That's it. End of story. No need to pick apart things like oh no, the game is anti-American! No it's not. Well, maybe just a little... But in a funny, good kind of way. It's satire... Some people.

[GI_Josh]

I'm sure if I tried that in my Corolla I would end up half a mile down the street (if I didn't plow into a power pole first).


Only one way to find out for sure....:D


But seriously, I tried that race like 3 times before I won it. Its not that the car didn't control well, because it did and I've really figured out the physics as well, its that ever time something stupid happened. Once, the red car cut me off down a side street and slammed me into a parked car. Another time, in the first corner, where you are by the railing to the bay, i popped up on the side walk, and then another car was right there so I actually got on top of him, and then I got literally thrown over the railing, into the water.

[esophagus]

So, are the girls actually necessary to complete the game? Or are they jsut something else that is their for fun, and side missions, and all that jazz?

I'm considering buying a console, and GTA IV may play a part in that, but the girls really don't interest me.

Before I get the "Oh my god, how can you agree with violence but not sex?" that isn't the case. Sex is fine, it jsut doesn't happen to be a part of the reason I enjoy the GTA series.

[damnedeyez]

So, are the girls actually necessary to complete the game? Or are they jsut something else that is their for fun, and side missions, and all that jazz?

I'm considering buying a console, and GTA IV may play a part in that, but the girls really don't interest me.

Before I get the "Oh my god, how can you agree with violence but not sex?" that isn't the case. Sex is fine, it jsut doesn't happen to be a part of the reason I enjoy the GTA series.

Two of the girlfriends are story based, but you don't have to really do much.

[geeksunny]

Two of the girlfriends are story based, but you don't have to really do much.

And the other two that you find on the dating site give you perks if you keep their fondness above 60-80% or so.

One clears up to 3 stars of your wanted level and the other can give you a health boost.

[az0madman]

I did a race today in a Comet (the porsche lookalike) and when driven properly, that thing runs like it's on rails. I was so far out in front when I got to the finish line, and I wasn't even flooring it.

The driving just takes some practice, and you need to think about it a little more realistically than previous GTA's. No you can't fly into a corner at full speed and expect to be able to coast around the corner by pulling the handbrake. I'm sure if I tried that in my Corolla I would end up half a mile down the street (if I didn't plow into a power pole first).

The best way is to brake hard just before the corner, while you're still facing straight ahead, then turn the car into the corner and hit the gas hard, in a higher powered, rear wheel drive car this should get the wheels spinning and push the back end out and around the corner, a front wheel drive might require a quick, light tap on the handrake (with emphasis on the quick and light!).

It just takes practice, and of course a nicer car will handle a lot better than a junkheap, so steal discriminately!

Yeah, it takes some getting used to. By the end of the game, I was able to turn corners pretty well even with a shitty car. Still no pro at it, as I bet I'd be spinning out of control in races, but I at least can chase someone without losing them too badly (unless I crash). Anyone else notice that when you are on a chase mission, the cars you're chasing can plow right into any car but you hit it and you're fucked?

Beat the game today at 21 hours. Managed to get the damn Liberty Minute achievement and might play through it again at a much slower pace so I can actually enjoy the city and what not. Plus, I want to see all the different scenarios. But I'll have a break period first. GTA made me neglect all the other games I had.

[damnedeyez]

And the other two that you find on the dating site give you perks if you keep their fondness above 60-80% or so.

One clears up to 3 stars of your wanted level and the other can give you a health boost.


There is a third on a different site. She writes a blog about your dates. Quite amusing.

[GI_Josh]

Anyone have issues with the mission where Elizabetha and Jacob are fighting, and you have to go shoot up the old hospital? I've tried that thing like 4 times, and evertime te cops show up I get toasted.

[fashionDR]

Anyone have issues with the mission where Elizabetha and Jacob are fighting, and you have to go shoot up the old hospital? I've tried that thing like 4 times, and evertime te cops show up I get toasted.

The easiest way to get away from the cops is on the water, since they seem to have far fewer boats than they do cars. So when you get out of the building, head for the water and look for the speedboat, then haul ass outta there until you're out of the zone, just avoid any other boats and don't worry about the choppers, they're surprisingly slow.

[magunwarrior]

I just set a waypoint to the closest Pay N Spray and hauled ass.

That was probably the most annoying mission IMO

[GoNZooo]

I just ran outside without killing anyone except a gang member on the way out, found a solid ride and dropped the wanted level after some slalom through town.

Took a retry, though.

[MrPopular]

Whenver I play the 1st mission i do, I usually fail, when in involves a group of cops or people to kill, that are shooting at you...

I'm so use to just running wild & jumpin in a car to get away. every time I jump in a car & a cop pops me a few times & takes me out... *Shakes fists at cops* these guys are brutal.

[iccanui]

I actually drive the cars in first person. Maybe that's cheating. But, I don't have as much trouble maneuvering the car as you report. I have noticed that using the hand-break in a turn is much more difficult than in GTA:SA. If I over break, the car almost always spins-out.

Anyone, I recommend switching to first person whenever the driving becomes important.


Second that. I always run in FP mode unless im in a nice car and just want to look at it or what im running over or into. But some of those chase down missions, i cant imagine doing it in anything but FP.

[damnedeyez]

I've tried the first person driving view in various games (though, not this one)...I just can never do it...I always hit things since I can't see where the sides of the car are. It's also nice not having to use the rear-view if someone's trying to ram you from the rear (since, often enough, when I use the rear-view, the game spawns traffic in front of me when I look forward again.)


I'll just blame it on having crappy judgement when it comes to space/distance...particularly with video games.

[GI_Josh]

The easiest way to get away from the cops is on the water, since they seem to have far fewer boats than they do cars. So when you get out of the building, head for the water and look for the speedboat, then haul ass outta there until you're out of the zone, just avoid any other boats and don't worry about the choppers, they're surprisingly slow.

This is what I ended up doing...I figured out that I didn't have to run out the front door, I could hop on a giant spool, and then hoist myself out a window and get in the water....but the first time, I couldn't find a boat, so I started swimming and got wasted. The next time, which was like my 10th try on this mission, I was so over it, I used a cheat to spawn a boat.

Every other mission has been pretty easy thus far, but that one was a bitch.

[magunwarrior]

I used a cheat to spawn a boat.

Have fun with your voided achievements ;)

Actually, that one doesn't void any achievements to my knowlege.