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HarrisonGreenbaum
04-09-2008, 06:55 AM
In case anybody's curious as to what they're actually inhaling into their lungs, here's the answer:

* "When a match is struck on the striking surface of its box, the friction caused by the glass powder rubbing together produces enough heat to turn a very small amount of the red phosphorus into white phosphorus, which catches fire in air." (http://www.pa.msu.edu/sciencet/ask_st/092596.html)

* When you breath in right when you strike the match, you're taking white phosphorous directly into your lungs (it burns because the chemical is an irritant).

* "Weight-for-weight, phosphorus is the most effective smoke-screening agent known, for two reasons: first, it absorbs most of the screening mass from the surrounding atmosphere and secondly, the smoke particles are an aerosol, a mist of liquid droplets which are close to the ideal range of sizes for Mie scattering of visible light. This effect has been likened to three dimensional textured privacy glass—the smoke cloud does not simply obstruct an image, but thoroughly scrambles both visual and infrared radiation.

When phosphorus burns in air, it first forms phosphorus pentoxide (which exists as tetraphosphorus decoxide except at very high temperatures):

P4 + 5 O2 → P4O10

However phosphorus pentoxide is extremely hygroscopic and quickly absorbs even minute traces of moisture to form liquid droplets of phosphoric acid:

P4O10 + 6 H2O → 4 H3PO4 (also forms polyphosphoric acids such as pyrophosphoric acid, H4P2O7)

Since an atom of phosphorus has an atomic mass of 31 but a molecule of phosphoric acid has a molecular mass of 98, the cloud is already 68% by mass derived from the atmosphere (i.e. 3.2 kilograms of smoke for every kilogram of WP you started with); however, it may absorb more because phosphoric acid and its variants are hygroscopic. Given time, the droplets will continue to absorb more water, growing larger and more dilute until they reach equilibrium with the local water vapour pressure. In practice, the droplets quickly reach a range of sizes suitable for scattering visible light and then start to dissipate from wind or convection." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_(weapon))

* SO: In your lungs, the white phosphorous you just absorbed rapidly absorbs any moisture in your lungs and converts it into what looks like smoke when it is exhaled.

* BUT IS INHALING WHITE PHOSPHOROUS SAFE?

The short answer: NO! White phosphorous is used by the military for chemical warfare precisely BECAUSE IT IS TOXIC.

The long answer: While the smoke itself is probably not hazardous, prolonged exposure to white phosphorous is most definitely fatal.

"Exposure and inhalation of smoke

Burning WP produces a hot, dense white smoke. Most forms of smoke are not hazardous in the kinds of concentrations produced by a battlefield smoke shell. Exposure to heavy smoke concentrations of any kind for an extended period (particularly if near the source of emission) does have the potential to cause illness or even death.

WP smoke irritates the eyes and nose in moderate concentrations. With intense exposures, a very explosive cough may occur. However, no recorded casualties from the effects of WP smoke alone have occurred in combat operations and to date there are no confirmed deaths resulting from exposure to phosphorus smoke.

The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry has set an acute inhalation Minimum Risk Level (MRL) for white phosphorus smoke of 0.02 mg/m³, the same as fuel oil fumes. By contrast, the chemical weapon mustard gas is 30 times more potent: 0.0007 mg/m³ ATSDR - Minimal Risk Levels for Hazardous Substances (MRLs), <http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/mrls.html></ref>.

Oral ingestion (<-- This can happen if you swallow any of the substance!)

The accepted lethal dose when white phosphorus is ingested orally is 1 mg per kg of body weight, although the ingestion of as little as 15 mg has resulted in death.[26] It may also cause liver, heart or kidney damage.[24]"
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_(weapon))

* Bottom line: Doing it once or twice correctly will probably not hurt you (although I'm not a scientist or doctor, so I am not responsible if you do it once or twice and hurt yourself in anyway!) but doing it over and over again will probably. Think about this: you're inhaling a military-grade chemical weapon into your lungs each time you do the trick. Is it worth it?

nextgenxbox
04-09-2008, 07:13 AM
Shit.... be careful Brian... we don't want you dying on us.... at least film 50 eps before you croak. ;)

nshady
04-09-2008, 07:21 AM
That's a pretty epic first post.

radzack
04-09-2008, 07:59 AM
That's a pretty epic first post.


hahahahah

astx813
04-09-2008, 04:38 PM
That's a pretty epic first post.

Does that make the painful sensation you feel the first time you try this.... an epic burn?

I'll go hang my head in shame, now.

igraham09
04-09-2008, 05:10 PM
Alright guys, I'm 16 and have shown this trick to about 5 of my friends (done it maybe 10 times in the past like 3 days).

What i want to know:
Am I going to die any time soon? If so; how soon? If not; how much will it take for me to die?
Or should i be doing this at all?

Just FYI: I use white-tipped (which i assume is solidified white phosphorous) book-style (not matchbox) matches.

I hope this doesn't kill me, because it's such a badass trick...

HarrisonGreenbaum
04-12-2008, 08:07 AM
I don't think you're going to die from doing it for only a few days - the major issue here is the repeated exposure, which can lead to kidney, liver, and heart failure. My advice? Stop doing the trick - it's not worth inhaling poison.



* I would like to add that I'm not a doctor or medical expert - just someone good at doing Internet research and using Google - so please don't rely solely on me for advice. Seek an actual doctor or medical professional if you have any real health concerns. *

jsatt
04-17-2008, 05:13 AM
Think about this: you're inhaling a military-grade chemical weapon into your lungs each time you do the trick. Is it worth it?

Have you made your friend shit their pants with this trick yet?


Hell yeah it's worth it.

onyx1607
04-18-2008, 01:43 PM
I don't smoke tobacco, so I figured trying this trick out a few times at parties is a great substitute to slowly killing myself with a bad health habit.

dash2
04-24-2008, 07:48 AM
I think it's pretty obvious:

don't do the trick to much,
and get lots of fresh air.
=D

bayareaking510
04-25-2008, 04:21 AM
I did it 150 times in my car with the windows up, am I going to die?


lol, just kidding.

niksko
04-25-2008, 01:38 PM
Wow, you got me kinda scared. I did this about 20 times with normal matches and then about another 15 times with some longer matches that have lots of phosphorus on the end to see if I could get more smoke (yes, you do get more smoke if you do it properly, but its difficult to do because it takes so much longer for all of the phosphorus to ignite). I had better stop doing this for a while. Then again, I'm not really that worried. First off, I bet that Brian has done this trick hundreds of times, and I bet when he was practicing and perfecting it he probably did it tons of times and in a row like I did. Anyway, if anything bad happens, I'll let you guys know. Also, anyone experimented with using more than one match at a time?

PS I did this outside with good ventilation, but it still wasn't a great idea

-Nik

JasonI
05-27-2008, 05:16 AM
Ok, so the bad news is, doing this too much to often for a long time COULD kill you. Look on the bright side, you could die walking down the street today, or a freak tornado could take your house out as you sleep tonight. Some idiot could kill you at work.

There are way to many "Could's" in life, decide what risks your willing to take and live as long as you can.

Jason I.

clayJohnson
06-22-2008, 04:10 AM
Guys, if it could kill you, or cause severe permanent damage to your health, don't you think there would be at least one cast of it happening to someone with modern matches? I'm not saying it's safe - obviously it's poison - but it's nothing to freak out about.

JosephWhitt
06-25-2008, 07:47 AM
I've done this trick about 30 times, probably 20 of those were practice, with little ill effect. I did have a slight burn in my nose the day after I was practicing (nothing compared to the blisters in my mouth after practicing the Jack-o-lantern). My brother on the other hand was practicing and had some "intestinal difficulties" shortly afterward, he said he will still do the trick for people but only once or twice a week. I do it every chance I get, the reaction is priceless!!

zunesi
06-27-2008, 08:11 PM
I'be done this at least 50times in the past 3days,
Am I going to die?

panochitapirate
07-24-2008, 06:26 AM
Well this is my first post here at Rev3, and I want to give Brian a hand for making an amazing show. Now I have to say shame on the OP for being quick to jump to conclusions and not using critical thinking or researching enough.

The article you used from the Lansing State Journal says, "When a match is struck on the striking surface of its box, the friction caused by the glass powder rubbing together produces enough heat to turn a very small amount of the red phosphorus into white phosphorus, which catches fire in air. This small amount of heat is enough to start a chemical reaction that uses the oxidizing agent to produce oxygen gas. The heat and oxygen gas then cause the sulfur to burst into flame, which then catches the wood of the match to catch on fire."

Ok, lets go through this process. First, you strike the match which causes a small amount of red phosphorus (that is on the strike pad not the match head) to turn into white phosphorus(WP). WP ignites at 30 degrees centigrade which even in cold conditions the friction of the match against the strike pad gives enough heat for ignition.

Next, the heat from the WP causes the oxidizing agent to produce oxygen.

Finally, the heat from the WP and the abundant amount of oxygen from the oxidizing agent are enough to ignite the sulfur (hence the nasty smell of matches) on the match head which then burns and ignite the wood.

Now lets think this through. The smoke we inhale is produced the entire time the match head is burning not just for the brief moment after the match head stuck the strike pad. Therefore, it is far more likely we are inhaling sulfur smoke and not (eek!) deadly WP smoke.

Now I will leave it up to someone else to figure out whether sulfur smoke is deadly or not. However, if it is than most Americans are already screwed because of the 4th of July.

rabidbadger
07-24-2008, 10:40 PM
Well this is my first post here at Rev3, and I want to give Brian a hand for making an amazing show. Now I have to say shame on the OP for being quick to jump to conclusions and not using critical thinking or researching enough...

Interesting first post. I been a smoker for way too long, and lit a ton of matches near my face, breathed it in just 'cause. I would be dead by now, so yeah, I'm guessing that the rp>wp>O2 is almost instant and tiny and disipates fast.

Don't be a stranger, I like the way you think.