What Are Your Thoughts On Drinking/Dipping/Smoking

[bigmikeherrmann]

Do you do any of them, if so why

i drink (a little) and dip (wayyy to much)


Discuss

[Ramzi's hairy chest]

I used to drink and smoke. That's about it. Now I snort the internet. :rolleyes:

[bigmikeherrmann]

I used to drink and smoke. That's about it. Now I snort the internet. :rolleyes:

used too...why you stop

[nextgenxbox]

used too...why you stop

Don't drink or smoke. Never have and never will.

WTF is dipping? Is that drug use? If so, that's an obvious no.

[g33k0ft3ch]

Drinking yes, Smoking...no.

[Pamich]

I don't do either, but I don't care if others do.

[Ramzi's hairy chest]

used too...why you stop

It's bad, mmmkay?

[wastern]

Don't drink or smoke. Never have and never will.

WTF is dipping? Is that drug use? If so, that's an obvious no.

dipping is chewing tobacco



as for me..

yes/no/no

[Klitzy]

Wow, NexGen is definately not from the south or anywhere near it. Lucky him. For me, Im 16 so no/no/no. Of course, then again, Mike isn't too much older if not the same age. Hehe.

[bigmikeherrmann]

Don't drink or smoke. Never have and never will.

WTF is dipping? Is that drug use? If so, that's an obvious no.

no dipping tobacco, as in copenhagen

[bigmikeherrmann]

Wow, NexGen is definately not from the south or anywhere near it. Lucky him. For me, Im 16 so no/no/no. Of course, then again, Mike isn't too much older if not the same age. Hehe.

nope in 19, legal age to buy/use dip

[wastern]

dip is a bad idea if you're looking for a girl....they tend to HATE it


I've never done it, its quite bad for you and generally gross



(24 btw)

[bigmikeherrmann]

everyone does down here, includoing most girls.

[wastern]

everyone does down here, includoing most girls.


I don't even think I'd like to see the kind of girl that dips. haha


I know a lot of guys that did it in college, they all tried to hide it

[bigmikeherrmann]

I don't even think I'd like to see the kind of girl that dips. haha


I know a lot of guys that did it in college, they all tried to hide it

:(











Damn this forum and its 10 character limit

[nextgenxbox]

Chewing Tobacco ey? Yuck... I've seen people on TV doing that and boy does it look nasty...

[AriaStar]

I've never, EVER smoked a cigarette. I've never even had a cigarette to my lips. As the daughter of smokers, I am glad I grew up hating the stuff. However, second hand smoke....

I occassionally drink, get wasted once every few months.

What is dipping?

[wastern]

Chewing Tobacco ey? Yuck... I've seen people on TV doing that and boy does it look nasty...

the nasty part is the cup or bottle that gets spit into

[wastern]

What is dipping?

That was covered on the first page. Its chewing tobacco. take some, stick it in your lip, spit a lot...

[bigmikeherrmann]

damn yankees

[g33k0ft3ch]

I say Drugs are bad MMMK? But but Alcohol is good MMMk?

[wastern]

I say Drugs are bad MMMK? But but Alcohol is good MMMk?

what drugs are being talked about there? Dip is just the same as smoking a cig..its all leagal if you are of age

[bigmikeherrmann]

I say Drugs are bad MMMK? But but Alcohol is good MMMk?

...uhh no drugs are being discussed dipshit

[cypherxero]

My favorite drinks are Bacardi 151 and Jagermeister.

[cypherxero]

damn yankees

Dude, I live in Alabama, and I hate this godforsaken place. People here are stupid and backwards. **** the south.

[ironroute]

haha as for me sniffing the net, and drinking them Carlsberg! ;)

[_bender_]

Drinking yes, but only casual drinking, not piss drunk :P. Smoking and dipping though, definitely not (couldn't afford those habits and computer stuff :D).

[retz]

I drink occasionally, and I don't smoke.

[AriaStar]

My favorite drinks are Bacardi 151 and Jagermeister.

My favorite shot is a straight shot of 151. I'm the only girl I know who can handle it without anything to follow.

[natech911]

I drink, probably about once a week (not drinks, occasions). I love darker beers and an assortment of mixed drinks.

I am not a smoker, but sometimes when I drink, I like to smoke. I usually regret it the next morning (ashtray mouth - yuck!).

I do not dip, but a girlfriend and I tried her brother's chew once when we were teenagers. It burned so bad, we spit it out immediately. lol Just one of those brainless silly coming of age moments. ;-)

[TreeNinja]

Drinking is alright, but anything with tobacco is disgusting...

[Klitzy]

I forgot to mention in my other post that I do enjoy "packing" the dip. Makes a cool sound and is something to do while you are waiting for something else.

[TreeNinja]

Dude, I live in Alabama, and I hate this godforsaken place. People here are stupid and backwards. **** the south.

I'm from Kentucky and they try to be the people in Alabama... God damn I hate the mother ****ing Southern dipshits.

That's a lot of asterisks, but it's true.

[diela]

...uhh no drugs are being discussed dipshit

Nicotine is a drug, much as us users would like to deny it. :rolleyes:

Smoke, yes. Drink seldom (hubby is an alcoholic so I try not to rub it in his face too much). If I ever try chewing tobacco, please shoot me.

I can tell habitual "dippers" from a mile away. They always have a little pouch in their lower lip, whether there's tobacco in it or not. It's an unattractive habit, and having that little stretched out place on your lip isn't a selling point either. Bad for your gums too.

[wastern]

Nicotine is a drug, much as us users would like to deny it. :rolleyes:

Smoke, yes. Drink seldom (hubby is an alcoholic so I try not to rub it in his face too much). If I ever try chewing tobacco, please shoot me.

I can tell habitual "dippers" from a mile away. They always have a little pouch in their lower lip, whether there's tobacco in it or not. It's an unattractive habit, and having that little stretched out place on your lip isn't a selling point either. Bad for your gums too.


Not in the sense people were thinking of it as. People didn't know what "dip" was and assumed it was some sort of illicit drug. Not true

Caffeine is a drug as well, but people don't clamor over that. Its valued in this society


ok, i'm getting ornery, its time to go to bed. :)

[cypherxero]

My favorite shot is a straight shot of 151. I'm the only girl I know who can handle it without anything to follow.

I love shots of 151 as well! I don't drink anything after it, either, I just take it straight. Although as soon as I take the shot, I usually say "Mother****er!". :D

[shanehensley]

I don't really ever do any of these. It's just not something I enjoy doing that much. :confused:

[jimmyjones]

smoke--like a champ
drink--like a canadian
dip--like a baseball player

man, im going to die when im 40

[zero_ambition]

I smoke.. but not that much. I don't really like to drink.. i'm not sure why it doesn't make any sense because i'm irish, but i think i'm gonna be the first to admit to drug use..I like weed a lot more than alcohol.

[randy]

I don't do any of the above and especially don't like being around people who smoke excessively.

[bigmikeherrmann]

Bud Select taste like shit, i must admit its terrible

[rabidbadger]

smoking weed + zero_ambition = need a new user name.:rolleyes:

And an irish non drinker! What ever has become of our international cliches?
(I'm a Cavanaugh myself, for what it's worth.)

On topic: Heck not only do I drink, but I make my own beer. And am an evil smoker. Used to "chew" skoal in high school/college, even went though a "snuff" phase, (powdered tobacco you snort up your nose.) I have pretty much tried all the "standard" stuff from the eighties: shrooms, weed (for several years), hash. But never the evil ones: coke, LSD, X, etc...

I just know I would get as addicted to those as much as I am to cigs and beer, so I steered clear. Advice from the old fart: learn your limits young and stick to them.

[Klitzy]

Naughty Badger.....And whoa....Whats that? An avatar!

[bird603568]

Bud Select taste like shit, i must admit its terrible

i guess you havent had natty light then. and dipping is gross as shit especially if chicks do it.

[zero_ambition]

Haha, yeah, i know, its weird. I'd love to change my username, its really old, but i'm not sure how.. anyone know? I've looked everywhere..

[KatanaSwordfish]

Drinking/Smoking are fine in MODERATION and with RESPONSIBILITY! imo.

As someone who has grown up around alcoholics and seen the effects of drug/alcohol addiction on my friends and family's lives; its easy to see through the cliche teenage stereotype of drinking and smoking being "teh coolestest and most funnest thing evar!!one!".

There is nothing wrong with sharing a casual drink or joint with friends under certain curcumstances at all. But, in my opinion, it's important to know ~why~ you are doing it. Are u drinking cause you think it makes you look cool? Are you smoking because you feel like thats the only thing that is fun or entertaining in your life? If so, then you probably should NOT be doing it.

Responsibility is a CRUCIAL factor. For example, not drinking and driving. A good example of personal responsibility and consideration for the safety of others. However, its also important to know and understand the greater implications of your actions on other people in the world. For instance, the scene associated with drug smuggling and dealing is often riddled with voilence and completely horrible crimes such as murder and torture AND it is not rare for large drug cartells to have positions of power within corrupt governments which abuse and enslave their people.

I could go on and on about these things, but there really isnt much point. IMO, I couldnt go through life drunk or stoned every single day. I dont buy into the cliches about drinking and smoking being the only fun thing to do ever. And quite frankly, as long as im with my buddies, i can have fun with or without any substance. Playing games/music/talking/watching movies/whatever. I have known many people who go day-to-day just getting drunk or high and it doesnt even really bring them the joy it used to, as a matter of fact, it seems like when they arn't high or drunk, they arent even happy anymore. Which is a sad thing imo.

I will drink and do drugs (nothing hardcore ever for me), moderately; when i feel like it. And there is no way in hell i'm gonna live my life as a slave to anything, be it drugs/booze/or anything else. I personally, can't be one of those people who needs to be high or stoned everyday or every weekend in order to have fun. Thats living life like a zombie, or someone who is sedated all the time.

Basically, do what u want in moderation. Know why you are doing it. Know who it is effecting. Be responsible, be informed, and most importantly: dont become a slave to drugs or booze. Because it can and it does happen to many many people, normal people who have many people who love them and care about them. Unfortunately, it seems some people have to learn the hard way, that life is short and the most important thing to us all is our individuality, freedom, and happiness.

Thats all i have to say, :D
Kat

[bman]

Drinking/Smoking are fine in MODERATION and with RESPONSIBILITY! imo.

As someone who has grown up around alcoholics and seen the effects of drug/alcohol addiction on my friends and family's lives; its easy to see through the cliche teenage stereotype of drinking and smoking being "teh coolestest and most funnest thing evar!!one!".

There is nothing wrong with sharing a casual drink or joint with friends under certain curcumstances at all. But, in my opinion, it's important to know ~why~ you are doing it. Are u drinking cause you think it makes you look cool? Are you smoking because you feel like thats the only thing that is fun or entertaining in your life? If so, then you probably should NOT be doing it.

Responsibility is a CRUCIAL factor. For example, not drinking and driving. A good example of personal responsibility and consideration for the safety of others. However, its also important to know and understand the greater implications of your actions on other people in the world. For instance, the scene associated with drug smuggling and dealing is often riddled with voilence and completely horrible crimes such as murder and torture AND it is not rare for large drug cartells to have positions of power within corrupt governments which abuse and enslave their people.

I could go on and on about these things, but there really isnt much point. IMO, I couldnt go through life drunk or stoned every single day. I dont buy into the cliches about drinking and smoking being the only fun thing to do ever. And quite frankly, as long as im with my buddies, i can have fun with or without any substance. Playing games/music/talking/watching movies/whatever. I have known many people who go day-to-day just getting drunk or high and it doesnt even really bring them the joy it used to, as a matter of fact, it seems like when they arn't high or drunk, they arent even happy anymore. Which is a sad thing imo.

I will drink and do drugs (nothing hardcore ever for me), moderately; when i feel like it. And there is no way in hell i'm gonna live my life as a slave to anything, be it drugs/booze/or anything else. I personally, can't be one of those people who needs to be high or stoned everyday or every weekend in order to have fun. Thats living life like a zombie, or someone who is sedated all the time.

Basically, do what u want in moderation. Know why you are doing it. Know who it is effecting. Be responsible, be informed, and most importantly: dont become a slave to drugs or booze. Because it can and it does happen to many many people, normal people who have many people who love them and care about them. Unfortunately, it seems some people have to learn the hard way, that life is short and the most important thing to us all is our individuality, freedom, and happiness.

Thats all i have to say, :D
Kat

You said alot, but in basic, I totally agree.

[rabidbadger]

Naughty Badger.....And whoa....Whats that? An avatar!


Gotta remember, this was late seventies, early eighties. Things were different then. Stuff like that was SOP in general society. Hippies were barely in their mid-thirties back then, and us youngsters could raid our folks' stash without them batting an eye. Nancy Reagan was a laughing stock with her "just say no" claptrap, and MTV with it's "radical" youth culture and quick-cut attention deificit disorder inducing drug-type state was a new demon to be destroyed by the old guard.
Getting high was something the "Jocks" did as much as the "heads" but MTV was acutally about music and video, and not about young folk getting laid on "reality" shows.

[rabidbadger]

Haha, yeah, i know, its weird. I'd love to change my username, its really old, but i'm not sure how.. anyone know? I've looked everywhere..


No. Don't change it. Just become really, really ambitious and succesful and it will be a supreme irony.

[bigmikeherrmann]

i guess you havent had natty light then. and dipping is gross as shit especially if chicks do it.

come down to south texas
they all do it

[rabidbadger]

And whoa....Whats that? An avatar!

Yeah, I thought I'd play along...

[Klitzy]

Lets go RabidBadger

*Klitzy jumps off cliff*

[rabidbadger]

Drinking/Smoking are fine in MODERATION and with RESPONSIBILITY! imo...snip... life is short and the most important thing to us all is our individuality, freedom, and happiness.

Thats all i have to say, :D
Kat

Wisest post I have ever read on a forum. Beautifully stated and well reasoned. You may not be an old fart, like me, but it seems you are an "old soul," rich with wisdom, and the means to express it.

[rabidbadger]

Lets go RabidBadger

*Klitzy jumps off cliff*

Right behind you. "Geronimoooooooo"

*rabidbadger walks away from cliff*

[KatanaSwordfish]

Wisest post I have ever read on a forum. Beautifully stated and well reasoned. You may not be an old fart, like me, but it seems you are an "old soul," rich with wisdom, and the means to express it.

Thank you, that means a lot to me actually. :D
I owe a lot to what i've witnessed and my experiences in life I suppose. I'm somewhat an introvert and a pensive person by nature. :P

[Mongoose]

Tobacco in general is disgusting, but "dipping" is much more vile than smoking. I don't drink myself, but I don't mind it in moderation. I generally tend to dislike drunk people, though.

[kowgod]

I drink just to wake up in the morning.

No, not really. But, I am a connoisseur of fine beer and other alcohols.

As for smoking, been there, done that. Don't do it anymore. Don't particularly like it when others do it either, but meh.

And everything else? Tried some of it. Seen others do most of it. None of it's good. I seriously recommend to the kiddies out there, use your head. That's my advice.

[phatlip12]

Drink? Yes

Smoke? No

Dip? Who the hell does that stuff anymore?

Im 18 years old, yes its illegal for me to drink but hey...Im in college so why not? I only drink about once a month and I don't care for too much beer (I like liquor better).

[diela]

come down to south texas
they all do it

Ahem. No, we do not. *points to her location*

Although, some argument could be made for the fact that I am a transplanted Texan. But still... what kind of chicks are you hanging out with? Bleccchhh

[tidus]

My favorite drinks are Bacardi 151 and Jagermeister.

dude, i totally agree, those are my favorite drinks too. Besides drinking my liver to an early death, i smoke on occasion and no dipping, though i live in the south and many friends do it.

[joseph12]

Smoking is injurious to health.I hate smoking.Due to smoking not only the smoking people, surrounding people health also will damage.Drinking also very dangerous to health.once you addicted to alcohol it will damage our health.
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Joseph
Alabama Alcohol Addiction Treatment (http://www.alcoholaddiction.org/alabama)

[Rokov]

I've never dipped and I haven't drank in about 5 years, but I am a smoker. I was stupid enough to try it many years ago and I got addicted. I've tried to quit several times, but it usually ends up with my having to make a choice between lighting up or putting my fist through a wall.

[Ryudo]

Why do noobs in just about any forum have the habit of bumping WAY WAY WAY old topics?

[Heyseuss]

Why do noobs in just about any forum have the habit of bumping WAY WAY WAY old topics?

You make it sound like a bad thing. I think it's WAY WAY WAY better than starting duplicate threads.

It also brings them out of lurker status and enters them into the community.

[Ryudo]

You make it sound like a bad thing. I think it's WAY WAY WAY better than starting duplicate threads.

It also brings them out of lurker status and enters them into the community.

When the topic is over 2 years old and the last post was in 2006 and many of the people no longer post or have been banned,people don't look at dates often just see a topic and quote and try and argue with someone who no longer posts.

I think it's ok to start a fresh topic with active members esp on a subject that can be heavily debated like this.

[tokenuser]

Why do noobs in just about any forum have the habit of bumping WAY WAY WAY old topics?Because it is not a legit account and it is SPAM?

The quick test - is the link that looks like a sig in a signature line or embedded in the message?
Was the account created today?
Is the account name a legit word or name followed by numbers?

Its not a sure sign but makes a mod look twice - call it online identity profiling. I doubt the bumper will be back.

[ohhoe]

When the topic is over 2 years old and the last post was in 2006 and many of the people no longer post or have been banned,people don't look at dates often just see a topic and quote and try and argue with someone who no longer posts.

I think it's ok to start a fresh topic with active members esp on a subject that can be heavily debated like this.

Hey mister, when I started posting didn't you yell at me for making a new post and not searching for the old ones? The older ones hadn't been posted in in over 6 months. :P





and for the record, I'm a smoker. :(

[bigshotprof]

everyone does down here, includoing most girls.

Another compelling reason to quit.

[ohhoe]

Another compelling reason to quit.

I'm honestly going to try and quit cold turkey after I finish the last pack I have. I know it's horrible for me, and it's going to be really hard because I honestly enjoy smoking. I know you were replying about dipping which I would never ever do but tobacco is tobacco.

And the stupid guy I like asked me to quit and I don't like the way he looks at me when I smoke. :(

[tokenuser]

And the stupid guy I like asked me to quit and I don't like the way he looks at me when I smoke. :(My GF (now wife) was a long time smoker when I met her - smoking through high school, etc.

Its not a habit I like, but I wasn't going to force her to quit because that would only ever be temporary. The thing that had her quit though was one day at the top of our driveway she stood up after having a smoke, immediately felt light headed, and almost collapsed. OK, it was a combination of smoking and low blood pressure, but the docs said that she was driving her body of oxygen, and with the low BP what she did have in her body wasn't reaching where it needed to go.

So she quit. And was one of the biggest bitches on the planet while she went though withdrawl ...

So, when you do decide to quit, make sure you are alone in a log cabin in the middle of nowhere, with no sharp implements, and a freezer stocked with microwave dinners and Ben and Jerry's.

[ohhoe]

My GF (now wife) was a long time smoker when I met her - smoking through high school, etc.

Its not a habit I like, but I wasn't going to force her to quit because that would only ever be temporary. The thing that had her quit though was one day at the top of our driveway she stood up after having a smoke, immediately felt light headed, and almost collapsed. OK, it was a combination of smoking and low blood pressure, but the docs said that she was driving her body of oxygen, and with the low BP what she did have in her body wasn't reaching where it needed to go.

So she quit. And was one of the biggest bitches on the planet while she went though withdrawl ...

So, when you do decide to quit, make sure you are alone in a log cabin in the middle of nowhere, with no sharp implements, and a freezer stocked with microwave dinners and Ben and Jerry's.

This would be a really terrible time to quit for me, actually, but that's kind of why I want to try and do it because I'll have a lot of other things on my mind.

Factors working against me:

In 9 days I'm moving somewhere where cigarettes are HALF the price they are here.

I'm going to be alone in my house for 2 months until my roommate gets back from Afghanistan.

This dude is a total jerk and stresses me out constantly.




I'm still going to try though. :(

[tokenuser]

I was never a smoker. My father was for a long time until he decided to quit cold turkey one day ... but long road trips in a car that he used as an ashtray turned me off it.

Anyway, people who smoke often need something else to occupy thier hands and mind at point int he day when they used to have a smoke. I heard that a PSP/Gamerboy type device can help you out and help fillt he break from routine that the body was psychologically expecting.

ALSO - and this is a big one - you need to avoid places that you would typically smoke or be surrounded by smokers. My GF and I avoided bars, nightclubs and parties for a month while she was quitting. She still occassionally feels like a cigarette when we are out drinking (and not driving :rolleyes: ), but not like she used to.

[ohhoe]

I was never a smoker. My father was for a long time until he decided to quit cold turkey one day ... but long road trips in a car that he used as an ashtray turned me off it.

Anyway, people who smoke often need something else to occupy thier hands and mind at point int he day when they used to have a smoke. I heard that a PSP/Gamerboy type device can help you out and help fillt he break from routine that the body was psychologically expecting.

ALSO - and this is a big one - you need to avoid places that you would typically smoke or be surrounded by smokers. My GF and I avoided bars, nightclubs and parties for a month while she was quitting. She still occassionally feels like a cigarette when we are out drinking (and not driving :rolleyes: ), but not like she used to.

I smoke IN my room, at my desk at work! Everywhere. I don't do anything really. And I have a ds, but I can't play that otherwise.

I think I'm actually going to buy a wacom tablet and focus on doing more design stuff. If I get engrossed in a design, I can forget about doing stuff for hours.

[xibalba]

Smoking is a choice and I don't think anyone should tell me I shouldn't. I have quit before but started again so what. NAS are good pure tobacco no additives.

Wacoms are cool I need to start using mine more often.

[ohhoe]

Smoking is a choice and I don't think anyone should tell me I shouldn't. I have quit before but started again so what. NAS are good pure tobacco no additives.

Wacoms are cool I need to start using mine more often.

I hateeeeeeeeeeeeee natural american spirits. They take forever to smoke, and I can barely get a good pull from them.

[xibalba]

Roll them between you fingers loosen them up makes them easier to smoke. Only harder to smoke due to the fact they contain like 20%+ more tobacco and are packed so tight.

I like them but my preferred brand is another type. The brand I am smoking in my ava. Doubt ya can tell what they are though since the pic is small.

[comhcinc]

i smoke a pipe once in a blue moon ( i don't even know where it is at this point)

my wife is a smoker but she has cut herself down to 5 cigs a day, plus a couple of clove cigs that i introduced her to. a couple of weeks back we took the kids to the Georgia Aquarium in Atlanta. we went straight to the parking deck when we got in to town instead of looking for lunch. i knew there had to be some place to eat around there. a cop told us to go to the CNN center across Olympic park we were each pushing a stroller up a very slight upgrade and she was so out of breath that it wasn't even funny. so yeah she is trying to quit for good.

[xibalba]

I smoke cigars and a pipe sometimes...cherry tobacco in a pipe is so good

[GoNZooo]

I thought snuffing was disgusting... Chewing tobacco, WTF? (I thought only retarded baseball-players did that.)

[ohhoe]

Roll them between you fingers loosen them up makes them easier to smoke. Only harder to smoke due to the fact they contain like 20%+ more tobacco and are packed so tight.

I like them but my preferred brand is another type. The brand I am smoking in my ava. Doubt ya can tell what they are though since the pic is small.

Looks like Nat Sherman hint of mint

[xibalba]

Looks like Nat Sherman's.

Djarum Blacks.

Nat Sherman's cost way too much. Though Djarum cost around a dollar fifty more than other brands.

[comhcinc]

I smoke cigars and a pipe sometimes...cherry tobacco in a pipe is so good

this is pretty much what i smoke. we have a local store ( as to most bigger towns and cities) that mix their own flavors.

I thought snuffing was disgusting... Chewing tobacco, WTF? (I thought only retarded baseball-players did that.)

just to be clear, dipping and chewing are two different things.

chewing is just like it sounds, you put a wad of tobacco in the side of your mouth and you chew it, spitting out the juice ( i have known old men who swallow that stuff. hardcore yo)

dipping is where you get very cut tobacco and place it in between your lower lip and gum. you also spit out the juice ( again i know people who don't)

[comhcinc]

Roll them between you fingers loosen them up makes them easier to smoke. Only harder to smoke due to the fact they contain like 20%+ more tobacco and are packed so tight.

I like them but my preferred brand is another type. The brand I am smoking in my ava. Doubt ya can tell what they are though since the pic is small.
correct me if i am wrong but isn't winston brand all tobacco as well?

[ohhoe]

Djarum Blacks.

Nat Sherman's cost way too much. Though Djarum cost around a dollar fifty more than other brands.

I hate cloves.

[xibalba]

correct me if i am wrong but isn't winston brand all tobacco as well?

Yeah but aren't as good.

I hate cloves.

I love them. The numbing of the mouth and black wrapper are a bonus. If I could fine a normal cigarette with black paper or red paper would probably smoke them if cheaper than Djarums

[Murphy1d]

IMO - If you are not a smoker or don't live with one currently, you have no business giving advice to one. You have no clue what the addiction feels like, and the effects of you catching a whiff of one in a restaurant are probably less than the effects of living in a city full of smog (again, my opinion).

I agree with xibalba, its my choice that is not hurting you in any way that's tangible (those who site health-care costs...stfu or I'll take away your right to drive based upon the same logic).

Having said this, I tried quitting several times, but it took my friend laughing in my face on New Years Eve when I "resolved" to quit to get me to stop. It was a weird motivation, but it struck a nerve in my ego, and now I'm 9 months cold turkey.

But I want one now, and do probably once a month. But I will not let him win, weird huh?

[tokenuser]

But I want one now, and do probably once a month. But I will not let him win, weird huh?Its been about 14 years since my wife quit - and she still gets cravings from time to time.

But - what you said is true. The choice has to be yours ... and according to a recent study I overheard in the background on TV yesterday (sorry no source I can point to) air pollution is as harmful as being a smoker. Not sure if that means it is doubly bad for a smoker, or what level of smoking they were referring to.

[Bani-Banan]

Been smoking since my late 13s. Been drinking since I was 15 and I do no "dip".

[Ryudo]

Because it is not a legit account and it is SPAM?

The quick test - is the link that looks like a sig in a signature line or embedded in the message?
Was the account created today?
Is the account name a legit word or name followed by numbers?

Its not a sure sign but makes a mod look twice - call it online identity profiling. I doubt the bumper will be back.

I thought it was spam at first but when it linked to this topic was not sure.

If it was any other topic would be easier.


@ Ohhoe don't recall you would have to show me.



Meh anyway, As a son of a dead alcoholic,and I am an Ex Smoker(used to smoke a pack on a half a day of filterless camels or Malbero lights for a few years) never did dip but uh never wanted to.

I give all 3 a thumbs down. no thanks.

[xibalba]

I usually only smoke 1 or 2 cigarettes a day max 3. Never felt the need for more.

[ohhoe]

I usually only smoke 1 or 2 cigarettes a day max 3. Never felt the need for more.

I smoke about 10 - 15 cigs a day.


Have you seen those new camel crush cigarettes? So weird.

[xibalba]

Hmm they are a bit weird. Hadn't tried them or anything

Being a light smoker is good I can make a pack last for a week or 2. :D

[comhcinc]

i would like to try those out kinda too.

[darknessgp]

Don't drink, don't care if others do it.

Don't smoke or dip, however I don't like people who do. Mainly because the ones I've been around are inconsiderate of others that don't par take. I've seen them blow smoke at people, spit their dip at their feet, etc.

[Ryudo]

Don't drink, don't care if others do it.

Don't smoke or dip, however I don't like people who do. Mainly because the ones I've been around are inconsiderate of others that don't part take. I've seen them blow smoke at people, spit their dip at their feet, etc.
On the same level.
While I don't drink I still hang out sometimes with people who drink some whine or something..not like they are getting smashed.
For those who like to get smashed..up to them I won't hang around them however when getting smashed but still won't dislike them.

Smokers I stay away from as much as I can,they are usually very rude had had many experiences where they just blow it right next to you or in your face.

Mom used to have to take the bus home from work and she has a lung condition and avoiding the smokers was impossible so she being the soft spoken person she is asked nicely if they would blow it away from her...most often the ignored the the request and blew it in her face.

Dip is just trashy and sick.


And Personally never was happier after I quit smoking. You feel much better once you get over the withdrawls. Mentally Physically you feel like a new person.

[Quix]

I don't drink or smoke, but don't care if others do, though I don't want them to smoke around me due to second-hand smoke.

I hadn't heard the term dipping before this thread, but I don't do that either.

[comhcinc]

the only time smoking really bothers me is when i am eating.

[xibalba]

Don't drink, don't care if others do it.

Don't smoke or dip, however I don't like people who do. Mainly because the ones I've been around are inconsiderate of others that don't par take. I've seen them blow smoke at people, spit their dip at their feet, etc.

I won't smoke around someone who doesn't like it and doesn't want to be around it. I quit once for months due to a friend who didn't like it.

[Ryudo]

I won't smoke around someone who doesn't like it and doesn't want to be around it. I quit once for months due to a friend who didn't like it.

I wish more like you were around.

[xibalba]

Probably cause Im a nice guy prefer not to cause problems with people. Unless I really dislike someone.

[Murphy1d]

I would always ask first if around strangers. Even in a smoky bar, because you never knew if the person next to you would be offended. Not that I cared as much as my parents taught me to be courteous.

[darksydeavenger]

Tried to smoke when I first moved out here to Chicago. Combination of stress and not dealing well with being on my own in such a big city. Didn't care much for it, so I stopped. However, when I get a particularly good drunk going nowadays, I zero in on anyone nearby who decides they want a smoke break, and I bum one or two from them. Since most of my friends through school smoke like there's no tomorrow, I can get away with this. But cigarettes are just too damn expensive here to even get a good addiction going without emptying the pocketbook significantly! :rolleyes:

[Guytheninja]

So she quit. And was one of the biggest bitches on the planet while she went though withdrawl ...


That is hilarious. I'm sure you could have made a movie about that.


I missed out on smoking. Mostly because I have trouble breathing around smoke.

When I was younger, I had to avoid cigarettes, diesel exhaust, etc.. otherwise I would have trouble breathing. Even before football practice I had to use an inhaler (cut grass could trigger it too).

Now, that I am older, I don't have this problem as much, but it does come back from time to time. I can be in a room with one smoker, but If everyone is smoking, I have to leave.

[popltree2]

Can't remember if I posted here sooooo....

Drink on occasion, don't smoke or dip. I have never had a puff of a cigarette in my life and I am damned proud of that.

[GoNZooo]

I don't do snuff, I'd never heard of that dip thing before this thread and I don't smoke tobacco.

[esophagus]

I drink. I don't ever drink to get drunk but if some friends invite me to the bar or to a party I'll go and sip some cider to be social.

Don't smoke, and I really don't like the stuff. Still, I don't mind if you do it so long as you are considerate. If smoke gets blown in my face, so what. So long as it wasn't intentional.

Dipping, on the other hand, is just barbaric and disgusting. Perhaps it comes from going to school with people who would spit it on the carpeted floors while the teacher wasn't looking, or into a snapple bottle, but I find it a terrible habit.

[AriaStar]

Hell if I remember answering, so here goes. Drink sometimes, tobacco is sick as fuck and I'm proud to have never taken a single puff (I think I found the one other person who can make the same claim), and only occasionally have smoked pot.

As for my thoughts, alcohol and pot in moderation are fine, but tobacco is gonna kill, so only idiots do it (sorry, You-Know-Who, love ya, but wish you'd quit the cancer-sticks).

[Murphy1d]

... pot in moderation are fine, but tobacco is gonna kill, so only idiots do it (sorry, You-Know-Who, love ya, but wish you'd quit the cancer-sticks).

Aria, I'm going to respond, but know that I'm not being a jerk, just curious and argumentative....

So, to clarify, smoke from a natural product is fine to inhale and doesn't make you stupid...but smoke from a man-made product is what idiots do. I would think the smartest thing is to not put smoke into your lungs at all, the second smartest thing would be to not risk your freedoms by getting busted with pot.

See, I would prefer to smoke something that would not put me in jail or cause me to lose my livelyhood. If the "possible" long term effects of tobacco are the risk you are gambling vs. the short-term and specific effects of pot, such as not passing a drug test for a job (my friend lost his dream job because of this) and the fines, drug record and possible jail time from being busted with pot...give me a Marlboro any day.

I know the health risks are the main point most people make, but they are reversible after you stop smoking http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/features/stop-smoking and for the casual tobacco user, within 15 years the effects basically go away.

How soon does a drug record go away (BTW, for a felony conviction, the answer is forever)? I'm not anti-pot smoking, I truly feel its a choice and it should be a legal one, but I feel the risk of pot vs. tobacco are more in favor of casual tobacco over casual pot.

[kirk89]

Dipping, on the other hand, is just barbaric and disgusting. Perhaps it comes from going to school with people who would spit it on the carpeted floors while the teacher wasn't looking, or into a snapple bottle, but I find it a terrible habit.

I drink, and haven't ever smoked a cig, but I gotta agree dip is disgusting. To me it's not very social to sit there and talk to someone who has a lip packed with tobacco. I've seen people do it at parties and bars. I tried it once before because supposedly it gives a buzz the first time you do it, but I just ended up feeling half sick.

[AriaStar]

Aria, I'm going to respond, but know that I'm not being a jerk, just curious and argumentative....

So, to clarify, smoke from a natural product is fine to inhale and doesn't make you stupid...but smoke from a man-made product is what idiots do. I would think the smartest thing is to not put smoke into your lungs at all, the second smartest thing would be to not risk your freedoms by getting busted with pot.

See, I would prefer to smoke something that would not put me in jail or cause me to lose my livelyhood. If the "possible" long term effects of tobacco are the risk you are gambling vs. the short-term and specific effects of pot, such as not passing a drug test for a job (my friend lost his dream job because of this) and the fines, drug record and possible jail time from being busted with pot...give me a Marlboro any day.

I know the health risks are the main point most people make, but they are reversible after you stop smoking http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/features/stop-smoking and for the casual tobacco user, within 15 years the effects basically go away.

How soon does a drug record go away (BTW, for a felony conviction, the answer is forever)? I'm not anti-pot smoking, I truly feel its a choice and it should be a legal one, but I feel the risk of pot vs. tobacco are more in favor of casual tobacco over casual pot.

Fuck the law on this one. It should be a personal choice. If alcohol makes you stupid and smoking causes cancer, why is pot illegal? Because to legalize it would be the government's admission about being wrong. People get freedom by fighting for those freedoms rather than sitting idly and letting those freedoms be taken away. The freedoms we DO have were won by fighting against the British government that once controlled America, a war which, at the time, would have been considered illegal.

Tobacco smoke and the chemicals in it have a direct link to cancer. Pot smoke does not. The article you post even states that the health risks from smoking won't ever be completely gone, the chance of cancer and such ever back to the level of a never-smoker. You can undo SOME damage, but not all.

So yes, it's dumb to smoke cigarettes, and who cares about pot if you're not going to drive or do anything you shouldn't do when drinking.

[Rokov]

Tobacco smoke and the chemicals in it have a direct link to cancer. Pot smoke does not. The article you post even states that the health risks from smoking won't ever be completely gone, the chance of cancer and such ever back to the level of a never-smoker. You can undo SOME damage, but not all.

Other negative results of smoking pot are that it…

* Changes the chemical balance in your brain, altering your mood, appetite, ability to concentrate, and energy levels.
* Lowers testosterone levels in men and upsets the balance of hormones in women that control menstrual cycles.
* Decreases sperm count and increases sperm abnormalities.
* Jeopardizes the eggs in women’s ovaries (remember, you are born with the total number of eggs you will have for your lifetime – they are irreplaceable!).
* Threatens your ability to learn and remember things, leading to forgetfulness and difficulty concentrating.
* Causes the same lung problems as cigarette smoking, including emphysema, cancer, frequent chest colds, coughing, and more phlegm production.
* Leads to anxiety problems, depression, and paranoia.
* Increases risk for cancer of the throat, lungs, head, and neck.
Source-http://www.princeton.edu/uhs/ih_Q_A_drugs_smoking.html#marijuana

[AriaStar]

There is a government web page that says otherwise, that there is no conclusive link between pot and cancer. You've heard claims that deodorant causes breast cancer, right? How often do you hear about someone dying from cancer they got by smoking pot? How about cigarettes?

In fact, even when used medically, pot is still illegal, but why? I actually fights some forms of cancer (http://www.mapinc.org/newscc/v01/n572/a11.html) There are NO claims of medical benefits from cigarettes. Pot fights cancer. Cigarettes cause cancer. The American Heart Association lists tobacco (http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=4545) as the primary cause of heart disease, not pot.

I don't feel like pulling up a hundred links for someone who wants to justify the wrongly-perceived safety of cigarettes (as safe as pot). But read this (http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html) for a bit more on why pot's illegal to begin with, why it's been so demonized by the US government. You can research more of it yourself. I'm about to go get lunch.

[esophagus]

There is no justifying that pot does no damage. It might cause less damage, but it certainly doesn't leave you risk free. I agree it should be a choice but I think its fairly ignorant and stubborn to claim that only an idiot would smoke cigarettes but drinking and smoking pot aren't. I don't mean that drinking and pot are for idiots too, I mean its a perfectly rational decision to do any of the three.

[AriaStar]

There is no justifying that pot does no damage. It might cause less damage, but it certainly doesn't leave you risk free. I agree it should be a choice but I think its fairly ignorant and stubborn to claim that only an idiot would smoke cigarettes but drinking and smoking pot aren't. I don't mean that drinking and pot are for idiots too, I mean its a perfectly rational decision to do any of the three.

If you want to get technical about it, drinking soda, tap-water (though plastic bottles also have carcinogens), non-organic milk, and using shampoos with sodium laurel sulfate are all health risks, as are things like going to the mall or getting into a car. When the risks are so infinitesimally small, it's pointless to run around screaming about the danger. And the risks from pot are so outweighed by the benefits and the giant chance that nothing will happen that it's like looking for something to be afraid of to say that it's so dangerous and going to kill you.

[bigstupid]

I don't really think about it a whole lot... I don't really do any of the three... so, that might have something to do with it.

[esophagus]

You think pot is no more dangerous than non-organic milk?

I have just looked at numerous pro-Marijuana websites and so far the benefits I've listed have found are:
- Increased Alpha-wave brain activity (It "mellows" you, more or less)
- Improved appetite (the munchies)
- Cures nausea (I can think of numerous times where it did the exact opposite)
- Used to treat Glaucoma and MS (help, not cure)

This is fairly minimal, in my opinion. Alcohol could help with pain relief too.

Negatives (from both pro and anti-pot websites) include:
- Smoking with no filter, not good on your lungs
- Higher risk of heart problems while intoxicated
- Possibly increasing risk of head and neck cancer
- Amplifies existing problems

[AriaStar]

Eso, I said the risks are small enough as to be a non-issue, all in all. Coffee raises the heart rate. Frontline, used for fleas on cats and dogs, is a class-c carcinogen. Peach pits contain strychnine, yet we eat peaches off the pit. The odds of encountering a problem are so tiny as to not warrant much though. The dangers from smoking, however, are extremely high.

[esophagus]

I would say the odds of encountering problems with Pot is exponentially higher than while eating a peach.

[phatlip12]

Source-http://www.princeton.edu/uhs/ih_Q_A_drugs_smoking.html#marijuana

Thats bullshit. What if you use a vaporizer or eat it?

[phatlip12]

You think pot is no more dangerous than non-organic milk?

I have just looked at numerous pro-Marijuana websites and so far the benefits I've listed have found are:
- Increased Alpha-wave brain activity (It "mellows" you, more or less)
- Improved appetite (the munchies)
- Cures nausea (I can think of numerous times where it did the exact opposite)
- Used to treat Glaucoma and MS (help, not cure)

This is fairly minimal, in my opinion. Alcohol could help with pain relief too.

Negatives (from both pro and anti-pot websites) include:
- Smoking with no filter, not good on your lungs
- Higher risk of heart problems while intoxicated
- Possibly increasing risk of head and neck cancer
- Amplifies existing problems

Marijuana is a godsend to cancer patients. As you mentioned it helps with nausea and causes an increased appetite so it's perfect for people undergoing chemo. It has other medicinal purposes as well. Say what you will about pot for recreational use, but its criminal keeping it away from people that need it for reasons such as this IMO.

Marijuana is a harmless drug. Too much of anything is bad for you. It should be legal without a doubt. You don't even have to smoke it anymore thanks to vaporizers. That and have you ever heard of hash brownies? As long as alcohol and tobacco is legal theres no excuse for pot to be illegal- it's less harmful then both.


Marijuana is natures gift to us. I think we could make some real progress if the worlds leaders sat together in a circle and passed around a peace pipe. The plant shall bring us together! Viva la Cannabis!

haha :D

[phatlip12]

I would say the odds of encountering problems with Pot is exponentially higher than while eating a peach.

I would say the odds of encountering problems with a peach is exponentially higher then while drinking a glass of milk. Peaches have pits- you may choke on it.

Again, too much of anything is bad for you. If I chug 30 Red Bulls and get behind the wheel I'd potentially be a hazard to myself and other drivers. That and 30 Red Bulls isn't good for you. However, I'm a responsible individual and know not to do that. Also, generally speaking a few Red Bulls isn't bad for me. Is it great? Eh, no. But that doesn't mean Red Bull should be illegal.

If I'm not hurting anyone else or myself then whats the problem?

[esophagus]

I would say the odds of encountering problems with a peach is exponentially higher then while drinking a glass of milk. Peaches have pits- you may choke on it.

Again, too much of anything is bad for you. If I chug 30 Red Bulls and get behind the wheel I'd potentially be a hazard to myself and other drivers. That and 30 Red Bulls isn't good for you. However, I'm a responsible individual and know not to do that. Also, generally speaking a few Red Bulls isn't bad for me. Is it great? Eh, no. But that doesn't mean Red Bull should be illegal.

If I'm not hurting anyone else or myself then whats the problem?We weren't talking about Red Bull. I would also say that drinking 30 Red Bull is more dangerous than eating peaches.

As I said earlier, I don't think any of these are stupid choices. If they are choices you want to make feel free. I've made them myself.

[Kronos6948]

Drinking:

I enjoy GOOD beer. I drink every now and again. I think drinking in moderation is ok.

Smoking:

Cigarettes are a pet peeve of mine. I can't stand the smell of them. They irritate me beyond belief. Worst part about that is that every woman I've ever dated was a smoker. Cigars, I've smoked a couple, but they're just not my thing. They don't irritate me as bad as cigarettes. Pot? I've partaken a few times, but it makes me sleepy and hurts my chest the next day, so not my cup of tea. Pipe tobacco? Love it. I've only smoked maybe once a year, but I just love the smell of pipe tobacco and it's slightly sweet flavor. Best part about smoking a pipe or cigars is that you don't inhale. It's a flavor experience.

Chewing tobacco:

Never did it. Had friends that did it. I think it's disgusting to carry around a cup of your own spit. Also, I don't like to spit out something that I find tasty, so the idea of it seems odd to me.

[Murphy1d]

I was certain this would be a hot topic, but I want to be clear on my statements.

My question was why someone would consider Tobacco smoking an idiot's choice (because of the long term health risk), but that pot smoking was perfectly fine.

Knowing that pot is less risky from a health stand point (mainly from the amount consumed in each form) I had to point out that there are other risks inherent with pot smoking that are not a risk with cigarettes.

When you weigh the benefits vs the risks, I will continue to believe that cigarettes are a less risky choice than pot. I can smoke cigarettes freely whenever I want, with no immediate repercussions other than frowns from some people.

Once I quit (I did so in Jan) and remain smoke free for 15+ years then I feel like the use of the cigarettes had their purpose at that point in my life, but I didn't risk my livelihood and career path because of it.

The points about how pot SHOULD be legalized are very good points, but the fact is it isn't legal. If there were legislation for pot usage I would sign it and immediately change my point of view on this subject.

Again, I'm not anti-pot. But I do think you are calling the kettle black.

[phatlip12]

I was certain this would be a hot topic, but I want to be clear on my statements.

My question was why someone would consider Tobacco smoking an idiot's choice (because of the long term health risk), but that pot smoking was perfectly fine.

Knowing that pot is less risky from a health stand point (mainly from the amount consumed in each form) I had to point out that there are other risks inherent with pot smoking that are not a risk with cigarettes.

When you weigh the benefits vs the risks, I will continue to believe that cigarettes are a less risky choice than pot. I can smoke cigarettes freely whenever I want, with no immediate repercussions other than frowns from some people.

Once I quit (I did so in Jan) and remain smoke free for 15+ years then I feel like the use of the cigarettes had their purpose at that point in my life, but I didn't risk my livelihood and career path because of it.

The points about how pot SHOULD be legalized are very good points, but the fact is it isn't legal. If there were legislation for pot usage I would sign it and immediately change my point of view on this subject.

Again, I'm not anti-pot. But I do think you are calling the kettle black.

I think you were just reading into what she said too much. I believe Aria was speaking from a health point of view.

[Hollywoodbound]

YEP YEP NOPE

**Smokes Marijuana, generally not cigarettes**

[PeppersGhost]

Other negative results of smoking pot are that it…

1 Changes the chemical balance in your brain, altering your mood, appetite, ability to concentrate, and energy levels.
2 Lowers testosterone levels in men and upsets the balance of hormones in women that control menstrual cycles.
3 Decreases sperm count and increases sperm abnormalities.
4 Jeopardizes the eggs in women’s ovaries (remember, you are born with the total number of eggs you will have for your lifetime – they are irreplaceable!).
5 Threatens your ability to learn and remember things, leading to forgetfulness and difficulty concentrating.
6 Causes the same lung problems as cigarette smoking, including emphysema, cancer, frequent chest colds, coughing, and more phlegm production.
7 Leads to anxiety problems, depression, and paranoia.
8 Increases risk for cancer of the throat, lungs, head, and neck.

I'm going to break this down.
1. These are suppose to be negative effects?
2. Not that I've noticed.
3. Interesting.
4. Male.
5. Yeah it does, pretty sweet huh.
6. Disagree, I believe that smoking anything is bad for your lungs, but this is not nearly as bad as smoking a cigarette.
7. Only applies to emo kids.
8. Neck cancer? Never met anyone with neck cancer before.

[Hollywoodbound]

I'm going to break this down.
1. These are suppose to be negative effects?
2. Not that I've noticed.
3. Interesting.
4. Male.
5. Yeah it does, pretty sweet huh.
6. Disagree, I believe that smoking anything is bad for your lungs, but this is not nearly as bad as smoking a cigarette.
7. Only applies to emo kids.
8. Neck cancer? Never met anyone with neck cancer before.

HAHA!!!! Thats great!

[ohhoe]

the last two people itt should keep on smoking lots and lots of weed.

[xibalba]

Smoked my pipe for the first time in quite awhile. So much more enjoyable then cigarettes. Got me a lighter made for pipes today as well.

[PeppersGhost]

I would say the odds of encountering problems with Pot is exponentially higher than while eating a peach.

People have died from choking on peaches, no one has died from being really high.

[esophagus]

People have died from choking on peaches, no one has died from being really high.You could die eating a joint too, if you were an idiot.

I'm not talking about the act of eating the peach. I'm talking about the peach itself.

[PeppersGhost]

You could die eating a joint too, if you were an idiot.

I'm not talking about the act of eating the peach. I'm talking about the peach itself.

Have you ever heard of a potato launcher? Well you stick a peach in that bad boy and it can be deadly.

[ohhoe]

Have you ever heard of a potato launcher? Well you stick a peach in that bad boy and it can be deadly.

You think like a stoner.

[rabidbadger]

Or a good 'ol country boy. Use a tater gun in the suburbs, get arrested. In the city, get shot. In the boonies, get a medal. :D

[tokenuser]

You think like a stoner.Is that a cling-stoner?

[AriaStar]

When you weigh the benefits vs the risks, I will continue to believe that cigarettes are a less risky choice than pot. I can smoke cigarettes freely whenever I want, with no immediate repercussions other than frowns from some people.

You need to go talk to a doctor about this. Pot's effects are short-term and not lethal. Cigarettes' effects are deadly. I think you are in some serious denial because you were once a cigarette-smoker yourself. 15 years of not smoking doesn't give you the same health as a person who never smoked.

[rabidbadger]

Interesting

http://www.geneticsandhealth.com/2008/04/04/smokers-and-ex-smokers-lung-cancer-gene-identified/

[PeppersGhost]

You think like a stoner.

I'm not a stoner haha

[Murphy1d]

You need to go talk to a doctor about this. Pot's effects are short-term and not lethal. Cigarettes' effects are deadly. I think you are in some serious denial because you were once a cigarette-smoker yourself. 15 years of not smoking doesn't give you the same health as a person who never smoked.


Again, not what I'm saying. I am not saying cigarettes are healthier. :mad:

I'm saying that taking all things into consideration, casual use of cigarettes are less of a risk OVERALL than casual use of pot. I am considering ALL RISKS not just health.

I can buy a pack of cigarettes tomorrow and stand on a street corner and smoke the whole pack and NOTHING would happen. I would not keel over and die. I would not develop cancer overnight. Odds are I would be like every person who tried smoking in the 1940s and 50s and stopped in the 1960s and 70s: they continue to live a happy life well into their old age. It was a vice that they gave up before it became a health concern.

But if I bought a bag of weed and stood on the corner and proceeded to smoke it I would likely end up busted by the cops, I could lose my job over a drug test (we all know people who have), or if I had enough pot I would have to pay a lawyer to try and keep me out of jail (which I couldn't afford because of not having a job anymore).

Point is, the risks of using a legal vice trumps an illegal one any day in my book. The abuse of either is what causes the figures that most people refer to when touting why either is bad.

But, if measuring ounce for ounce, pot is riskier and thus not for me.

Neither is the smartest choice. :)

[Murphy1d]

Interesting

http://www.geneticsandhealth.com/2008/04/04/smokers-and-ex-smokers-lung-cancer-gene-identified/

Very, it would be a strikingly important find for people who might have the genetic predisposition to Lung Cancer (that the study suggests).

[rabidbadger]

Very, it would be a strikingly important find for people who might have the genetic predisposition to Lung Cancer (that the study suggests).

I was raised by smokers who were raised by smokers, and sadly became one. But None of them died from lung cancer or any tabacco related issues. Lived good long lives too. Mom is a smoker, and healthy as a horse, generally. So yeah, could be genetics. Or could be luck. Ask me again in five years...

[rabidbadger]

PS. I hate smoking ... HATE IT! stupid, and expensive, and I don't have the energy for mad crazy sexual activity like I used to. Take Notes kids. There IS a downfall to smoking. I DO NOT recommend tabacco in any shape, form, or fashion...

weed, on the other hand...

[Rokov]

Take Notes kids. There IS a downfall to smoking. I DO NOT recommend tabacco in any shape, form, or fashion...

I think that most smokers, myself included, would agree with you on that.

[-=JediBitch=-]

My uncle just had a stroke thing yesterday and the primary reason for it (according to the doctor) was smoking...

So, I am against it. Right now at least.

As for drinking, I have a lot of alcoholics in my family so I don't like people drinking around me. But I enjoy drinking a little. I know...its bad I know.

[phatlip12]

My hands. They're so...big.

[karyyk]

Save for dipping, my thoughts are that I do way too much of the other two...

Smoking I need to stop at some point (didn't even pick it up until two years ago...not sure why I did), but the drinking, that's here to stay.

[RottNKorpse]

I drink sometimes, not very often but sometimes socially.

I smoked once, hated it.

I have never dipped, that is just disgusting...I consider that worse than smoking because at least with smoking there is a filter.

[damnedeyez]

Drink occasionally (usually a few mouthfuls of Port...once in a great while a guiness or some vodka)
Smoke pipe tobacco (used to smoke cigarettes when I Was younger...quit for a few months to cleanse my mouth before I got into pipes...sadly, I usually roll it in brown sugar cherry bon-bon and puff on the way to work, or home from work.)
Dipping...never did it, though there were some back in school taht used to. I did chew on Redman pouch for awhile back in middle school, but it wasn't very long. Stuck with cigarettes.


I've an avid hatred for avid anti-anythings, though. Just leave me alone to drink/smoke/whatever myself to death slowly.

[ohhoe]

http://piterwilson-toys.com/wcsmt/gif/2008/08/27/1219876762.gif

[Guytheninja]

I think that most smokers, myself included, would agree with you on that.

My big brother in the fraternity was always trying to quit smoking. Its difficult business man, don't let us stand in your way.

[chevmalfet]

You need to go talk to a doctor about this. Pot's effects are short-term and not lethal. Cigarettes' effects are deadly. I think you are in some serious denial because you were once a cigarette-smoker yourself. 15 years of not smoking doesn't give you the same health as a person who never smoked.


I gotta chime in on this. Pot's effects are only short term if you ignore the mental health aspect. Most people, pot damages their brain for life, and it's in the class of drugs that stays in fat deposits, meaning chronic users will feel the effects for life.

That said, you catch less lung tar. You still do catch some lung tar, though.

I got no problem with people smoking pot, but own it. It's not a miracle "no consequences" drug.

[PeppersGhost]

It's not a miracle "no consequences" drug.

Everyone knows only crack is a miracle no consequence drug.

[Murphy1d]

Everyone knows only crack is a miracle no consequence drug.

Crack is Mack!

[musicfreak313]

They're all bad. Though I heard it's great to have a cup of wine in a while. It's good for your system or whatever. Well the French do that every night but not to the point where you're drunk.

[mikemcg]

I gotta chime in on this. Pot's effects are only short term if you ignore the mental health aspect. Most people, pot damages their brain for life, and it's in the class of drugs that stays in fat deposits, meaning chronic users will feel the effects for life.

That said, you catch less lung tar. You still do catch some lung tar, though.

I got no problem with people smoking pot, but own it. It's not a miracle "no consequences" drug.
I can't help but wonder why my doctor was fine with my occasional pot smoking.

I drink and smoke marijuana occasionally.

[Hollywoodbound]

A pal of mine at a party tonight just offered me some minty camel tobacco thats "no spit" I tried it tonight and it wasnt that bad. Ill never do it again though. It did nnothing but sting haha.

[k4ng]

I really like the smell of cigarettes and I'm always looking for something to do with my hands/mouth (I chew my nails a lot). My dad's been smoking since forever but I haven't really gotten into it. I have a pack sitting on my kitchen table and I'll have one when I'm feeling really down or stressed.