Can it please just stop?

[ariastar]

As I mentioned in the banking thread, my ID was stolen when I was 18 and I still deal with it. Fuck! I found out a few minutes ago that someone tried to take out a mortgage in August 2007 in my name.

[skyz]

As I mentioned in the banking thread, my ID was stolen when I was 18 and I still deal with it. Fuck! I found out a few minutes ago that someone tried to take out a mortgage in August 2007 in my name.

did you know you can get a new social security # under these circumstances ?

[ariastar]

did you know you can get a new social security # under these circumstances ?

I've been to court with a stack of police reports and a judge said no, that it's a "bail out" and if people could just get new SSNs that they'd be less careful with personal information. I called the social security office and was told that a judge has to order it and that it's net to impossible to get done. Basically you're treated like you should have been more careful, even though it happened to be back in 1999 when the phrase "ID theft" wasn't even a blip on the radar.

[skyz]

I've been to court with a stack of police reports and a judge said no, that it's a "bail out" and if people could just get new SSNs that they'd be less careful with personal information. I called the social security office and was told that a judge has to order it and that it's net to impossible to get done. Basically you're treated like you should have been more careful, even though it happened to be back in 1999 when the phrase "ID theft" wasn't even a blip on the radar.

hmm seems like you might be able to get a lawyer who wants to make this kind of case his 'issue' or get together with others and do some kind of class action or similar type of action

i had some things stolen from public stealage and amongst the items was a box with my birth certificate and other personal data

no one has used them but it is not like it was through my carelessness

i am sure there is an eventual solution but i know it is hard not to be stressed and angry about it

you need to find an ally with a cool head

good luck

if it were me if would get advice from university law schools about precedents and specialists as this is new laws types of issues

[autodas]

Social Security Numbers are the devil. In 40 years the fund will be all gone and so should these tags. It's too easy to steal a person's identity just because of a number.

[ariastar]

Social Security Numbers are the devil. In 40 years the fund will be all gone and so should these tags. It's too easy to steal a person's identity just because of a number.

And until just recently, some states, like Massachusetts, used SSNs as driver's license and ID numbers! Flashing your ID to buy a bottle of alcohol showed someone your SSN, which fucked you if you had a clerk with a good memory for numbers and wanted to be dishonest. Good fucking luck getting a new SSN if you're ID is stolen. These states were just begging for its citizens to be victims.

[ericjosepi]

And until just recently, some states, like Massachusetts, used SSNs as driver's license and ID numbers! Flashing your ID to buy a bottle of alcohol showed someone your SSN, which fucked you if you had a clerk with a good memory for numbers and wanted to be dishonest. Good fucking luck getting a new SSN if you're ID is stolen. These states were just begging for its citizens to be victims.

Thank the potentially existent non-denominational omnipotent thingy we're smarter than that here... in other news, i just looked at my license and it ends it 420.

</cheap giggles>

[acidburn]

And until just recently, some states, like Massachusetts, used SSNs as driver's license and ID numbers! Flashing your ID to buy a bottle of alcohol showed someone your SSN, which fucked you if you had a clerk with a good memory for numbers and wanted to be dishonest. Good fucking luck getting a new SSN if you're ID is stolen. These states were just begging for its citizens to be victims.


In MA you had a choice whether you wanted a random number assigned or use your SSN. They finally wised up and stopped giving people a choice. Everyone who used their SSN was automatically issued a new license number when they renewed.


That sucks about your ID theft problems. Have you thought about locking down your credit? When ID theft happened to my father a few years back he was able to freeze his credit making it almost impossible for anyone, including him, to open new accounts in his name.

[md2389]

And until just recently, some states, like Massachusetts, used SSNs as driver's license and ID numbers! Flashing your ID to buy a bottle of alcohol showed someone your SSN, which fucked you if you had a clerk with a good memory for numbers and wanted to be dishonest. Good fucking luck getting a new SSN if you're ID is stolen. These states were just begging for its citizens to be victims.

Not to mention certain college campuses using your SSN as your ID number on your student ID. As for driver's licenses, here in TN you have the option of having it omitted from your license for reasons of security.

[xibalba]

Not to mention certain college campuses using your SSN as your ID number on your student ID. As for driver's licenses, here in TN you have the option of having it omitted from your license for reasons of security.

I don't see why anyone here in TN would have it on their license. Then I discovered my dad did but has since had it removed.

[gimpbully]

In MA you had a choice whether you wanted a random number assigned or use your SSN.

Sure they gave you the choice, but damned if they didn't still make my license # my SSN... so i moved to CA.. well, that's not the reason i moved, but... yea... it's been a long day

[victor_c26]

Not to mention the fact that businesses use your social and birth date for background checks.

You would go nuts if you knew how much/how easily your social and personal information is thrown around.

[ariastar]

In MA you had a choice whether you wanted a random number assigned or use your SSN. They finally wised up and stopped giving people a choice. Everyone who used their SSN was automatically issued a new license number when they renewed.

You didn't always get the choice.


That sucks about your ID theft problems. Have you thought about locking down your credit? When ID theft happened to my father a few years back he was able to freeze his credit making it almost impossible for anyone, including him, to open new accounts in his name.

It doesn't always work, and if someone tries in person, it sails right through.

[ariastar]

Not to mention the fact that businesses use your social and birth date for background checks.

You would go nuts if you knew how much/how easily your social and personal information is thrown around.

We may as well tattoo it on our foreheads.

[comhcinc]

it's really not that big of deal. without other information than the ssn is next to worthless. as for aria problem. funny thing is i got a new ssn last year. no biggie just went down to the office and filled out the paper work.

[ariastar]

it's really not that big of deal. without other information than the ssn is next to worthless. as for aria problem. funny thing is i got a new ssn last year. no biggie just went down to the office and filled out the paper work.

Where? I've tried fucking hard. Just paperwork? That would be very new. I last tried a few years ago in court. What paperwork? If it's just forms, I'm willing to try. PLEASE let me know. I spent a ton of time yesterday panicking.

[heyseuss]

it's really not that big of deal. without other information than the ssn is next to worthless. as for aria problem. funny thing is i got a new ssn last year. no biggie just went down to the office and filled out the paper work.

It took me 6 months to get my SSN number. They didn't like the fact that I was 21, american, and applying for my first SSN. After 6 months they tell me that my application is void because I fabricated my mothers existence. . . because they couldn't find her SSN, because she was born in Australia.

[mikec]

Silly Aussie, didn't she KNOW that she should have an American SSN . Damn foreigners. :confused:

[phatlip12]

Silly Aussie, didn't she KNOW that she should have an American SSN . Damn foreigners. :confused:

Where oh where is all of our social security money going?! ;)

[heyseuss]

Silly Aussie, didn't she KNOW that she should have an American SSN . Damn foreigners. :confused:

No, in the forms I filled out at 21 yrs old for a SSN, as a born american that never lived here, with an american father and australian mother, they halted the process because I was 21yrs old, and because they couldn't verify my mothers existence. "SHE" had nothing ot do with it, the SSn dept in Chicago are the ppl that did it. They were highly confused by the fact thta an american was applying for his first SSN.


On a related sidenote, something none of you americans know about, but when I got my SSN number, I got drafted. This is in 1996-97. People think there is no more draft, but there sure as fuck is. I got a card from the military/DoD, that said, "this is your number, you are this number to us, if we get in a big war, you owe us service and we are calling."

[comhcinc]

On a related sidenote, something none of you americans know about, but when I got my SSN number, I got drafted. This is in 1996-97. People think there is no more draft, but there sure as fuck is. I got a card from the military/DoD, that said, "this is your number, you are this number to us, if we get in a big war, you owe us service and we are calling."

um no we all know about it. it's called selective service (http://www.sss.gov/), and all males are required by law to sign up for it on their 18th birthday. really this is common knowledge. most high schools sign people up these days and if you plan on getting any benefits from the federal ( and most state) government, they check to see if you are signed up. a friend of mine who works in a state prison said that all inmates are signed up coming in as well.

sure it is not called "the draft" and since numbers are not being called it isn't a "big deal" any more.

on a side note you notice that the women's groups are not all up in arms about the fact that only males sign up for this.

[heyseuss]

um no we all know about it. it's called selective service (http://www.sss.gov/), and all males are required by law to sign up for it on their 18th birthday. really this is common knowledge. most high schools sign people up these days and if you plan on getting any benefits from the federal ( and most state) government, they check to see if you are signed up. a friend of mine who works in a state prison said that all inmates are signed up coming in as well.

sure it is not called "the draft" and since numbers are not being called it isn't a "big deal" any more.

on a side note you notice that the women's groups are not all up in arms about the fact that only males sign up for this.

I've talked to plenty of american males about this, especially at the time I got sent the card, and I've never heard of this. How can signing up for the draft, be related to 'getting benefits' from the gov.? What benefits have I been getting since for 'signing up'... not that I signed up fo anything, was involuntary and there was no mention of it in any of my SSN forms.

Funny about the inmates being signed up. It's only been 2-3 years that they've allowed convicted felons sign up for the military, over 300k of them been in Iraq so far.

"Womens groups all up in arms " . . . I don't think you intended it, but that's kind of funny if you think about it... up in ARMS, about military service .. .

[comhcinc]

oh up in arms.....yeah nice call on that pun.

like i said no one calls it the draft and they never really go in to why you are signing up just the fact that you need to be sign up to receive benefits (such as pale grants and student loans)

i signed up at the post office, next time you are there look around and you will find the paper work. it's interesting.

yeah about the inmates according to my pal alabama has always done that.

as for convicted felons serving in the military (you know to further get off topic) i got no problem with that. the whole point of doing time in prison, i thought, was to paid you "debt" so you can continue you life. i think cbc's are bogus

[Bohemian_Beauty]

You know. I wouldn't mind mandatory service like they have in Sweden, but this country is too war hungry and gun happy. I'm sure if we were a neutral country, people wouldn't care so much. Hell, I'd probably serve myself. No... no I wouldn't.

[heyseuss]

oh up in arms.....yeah nice call on that pun.

like i said no one calls it the draft and they never really go in to why you are signing up just the fact that you need to be sign up to receive benefits (such as pale grants and student loans)

Hmmm. I don't see how they are related. If it's the law for me to sign up, then they aren't 'benefits' by definition.. . . on the same note, it's not 'selective' by definition either.

i signed up at the post office, next time you are there look around and you will find the paper work. it's interesting.

I saw the info on your link. Never heard of this in 11 years. It's still 'the draft', seeing as it's the fucking law for you to sign up, but yeh, as you said, my number ain't being called.

yeah about the inmates according to my pal alabama has always done that.

It makes sense, it's a good source of able-bodied men that society doesn't need, they should also do it to frat-houses.

[heyseuss]

Hell, I'd probably serve myself.

Nice mental image... . .:p

[Bohemian_Beauty]

Nice mental image... . .:p

Hah! Cute.. Very cute... :P

[comhcinc]

Hmmm. I don't see how they are related. If it's the law for me to sign up, then they aren't 'benefits' by definition.. . . on the same note, it's not 'selective' by definition either. lol it's selective cause A: it's only for men and B: you might get selected. the benefits are things like pale grants. you don't have to recieve them and i know a lot of people who have not signed up for selective service.



I saw the info on your link. Never heard of this in 11 years. It's still 'the draft', seeing as it's the fucking law for you to sign up, but yeh, as you said, my number ain't being called.
Yet. but yeah no one really talks about it. i don't know why.


It makes sense, it's a good source of able-bodied men that society doesn't need, they should also do it to frat-houses.
i disagree with the first part and agree with the second.

[heyseuss]

lol it's selective cause A: it's only for men and B: you might get selected. the benefits are things like pale grants. you don't have to recieve them and i know a lot of people who have not signed up for selective service.

It's selective because it's for men? HAHA, so it's not 100% mandatory? All I need is a small, eh-hem, I mean, large operation??

I don't know what a pale grant is, but for a half Italian, I'm very pale.



Yet. but yeah no one really talks about it. i don't know why.

When I got the card in 96-97, I told everyone (american) I knew, none of them had any idea about it, and alot of my 50-60 yr old friends looked at the info I got, and said, "yeh, same thing they told us when we were drafted".


i disagree with the first part and agree with the second.

Me too actually. Depends on the level of security we are referring to.

[rabidbadger]

It's selective because it's for men? HAHA, so it's not 100% mandatory? All I need is a small, eh-hem, I mean, large operation??


nah, just say your gay. don't have to be, but just say it. Kept the recruiters off my back for years. Though a couple I saw woulda been more than welcome...:D

[heyseuss]

nah, just say your gay. don't have to be, but just say it. Kept the recruiters off my back for years. Though a couple I saw woulda been more than welcome...:D

Luckily my health is so appalling I would be useless . ... luckily.

[ariastar]

on a side note you notice that the women's groups are not all up in arms about the fact that only males sign up for this.

Actually some women's groups are pissed, saying that women not being drafted is like calling us inferior. I think it's common sense not to draft us for combat duty. Truthfully, not many women are strong enough for that. Those who sign voluntarily tend to be stronger.

[ariastar]

When I got the card in 96-97, I told everyone (american) I knew, none of them had any idea about it, and alot of my 50-60 yr old friends looked at the info I got, and said, "yeh, same thing they told us when we were drafted".

Because it's called by the nicer name "selective service" rather than enlisting in the draft.