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laughterkillsme
11-12-2006, 07:20 AM
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0333060/

I guess he's writing the Captain America, Flash, Thor and Dark Knight(begins sequel).




I liked Batman Begins, but why is he writing like every new superhero movie?
jonathanlondon
11-12-2006, 05:19 PM
Because Zack Penn (X3, Fantastic Four) can't right all of them... and he should, right? Right?
psbp516
11-12-2006, 06:08 PM
Because Zack Penn (X3, Fantastic Four) can't right all of them... and he should, right? Right?

No, he should die.

I really hope that the Captain america, flash, and Thor movies are done justice to. Flash and thor are two of my favorite superheroes and if the movies end up blowing, I will kill.

*edit*
Jumper looks pretty cool too.
tokenuser
11-12-2006, 06:14 PM
Jumper looks pretty cool too.Except for one thing ... Hayden Christensen.

Goyer did a great job on Blade (don't mention Blade II/III - they stank), and Batman Begins was Batman as Batman was intended - dark, brooding, and with a falable hero.

With his movie writing style, I can see Captain America being done by him (and Dark Knight of course) ... but Flash and Thor?? Not so much.
psbp516
11-12-2006, 06:32 PM
Except for one thing ... Hayden Christensen.

Goyer did a great job on Blade (don't mention Blade II/III - they stank), and Batman Begins was Batman as Batman was intended - dark, brooding, and with a falable hero.

With his movie writing style, I can see Captain America being done by him (and Dark Knight of course) ... but Flash and Thor?? Not so much.

What's wrong with Hayden Christensen? If your talking about his horrible performance in star wars, let me remind you. Everyone was bad in star wars, even the already acclaimed fabulous actors. Acting in front of a green screen isn't exactly the best way to act.

I kind of agree with you about flash and thor not exactly fitting his writing style. But you never know, they could be amazing with darker back stories. Goyer could be more flexible than expected also...
tokenuser
11-12-2006, 06:39 PM
What's wrong with Hayden Christensen? Blah. His acting belongs on a prime time, teen drama on theWB (CW? - I don't watch the staiton anymore), with an ensemble cast that make him look good. He is a LOUSY actor - even in the non Star Wars stuff he did.
poltah
11-12-2006, 07:44 PM
As long as Captain America starts like Saving Private Ryan + The Captain, I'm happy.
If the rest suck, I'll just leave after D-Day.
jonathanlondon
11-12-2006, 09:28 PM
As long as Captain America starts like Saving Private Ryan + The Captain, I'm happy.
If the rest suck, I'll just leave after D-Day.

Totally. It should open like Ultimates #1. That was AMAZING.
poltah
11-12-2006, 10:01 PM
Totally. It should open like Ultimates #1. That was AMAZING.

Yeah man. I could just picture it. The first couple of minutes it should look like a normal war movie. Then the shield, the A on his head. His boots running in the mud.

I want that movie. I want to make it. But I'm too young, so I'll make Captain America begins instead.
briangilmore
11-13-2006, 12:09 AM
Yeah man. I could just picture it. The first couple of minutes it should look like a normal war movie. Then the shield, the A on his head. His boots running in the mud.

I want that movie. I want to make it. But I'm too young, so I'll make Captain America begins instead.


saving private ryan type start, hell yeah. maybe even R rate it...but not all shitty like the punisher. hmmm...i'll settle for pg13...

I'll bet anyone here five bucks that the A on his head will either be tiiiiny or non-existent. I'm officially semi-stoked for the prospect of a well-done captain america movie.
comradelazyman
11-13-2006, 12:13 AM
Is Ryan Reynolds still attached as The Flash?

I totally agree with capt. America begin set during the war. Was discussing this with my friend the other day. Even though he hardly reads comics he said that it would just not work in a modern day setting.
tokenuser
11-13-2006, 12:15 AM
Is Ryan Reynolds still attached as The Flash?

I totally agree with capt. America begin set during the war. Was discussing this with my friend the other day. Even though he hardly reads comics he said that it would just not work in a modern day setting.Whats the bet that they DO relocate to the curretn setting, and use terrorism as the key to the movie?? I can see it happening, but its going to change the whole feel of Cap. Perfect for a patriotic memorial day or 4 July release.
comradelazyman
11-13-2006, 12:27 AM
Whats the bet that they DO relocate to the curretn setting, and use terrorism as the key to the movie?? I can see it happening, but its going to change the whole feel of Cap. Perfect for a patriotic memorial day or 4 July release.

Yeah I could see it possibly going that way. But given that these movies also have to cater for people who do not know the character at all aswell. If you have a modern day Capt. America people will immediately think propaganda and Bush. Set it during the world war and you still have a captain america that will embody old values of what a hero is. Since you're taking away from a correlation with what is currently happening. The easier route for david goyer would be nazis.
briangilmore
11-13-2006, 12:36 AM
Yeah I could see it possibly going that way. But given that these movies also have to cater for people who do not know the character at all aswell. If you have a modern day Capt. America people will immediately think propaganda and Bush. Set it during the world war and you still have a captain america that will embody old values of what a hero is. Since you're taking away from a correlation with what is currently happening. The easier route for david goyer would be nazis.

it's captain america. it NEEDS to be WWII. But he'll get frozen and probably come back here and I'm sure that what token said will happen will happen, terrorists...but in the form of red skull or some other known villain, and a 4th of july release would be great cause if they capture the TRUE cap, they'll outline the theme of patriotism not being blindly following your country and government, but doing what's best for the country you love being the main point. and that would be sick. cause that's cap. and that's sick.
big-doze
11-13-2006, 07:18 AM
I kind of agree with you about flash and thor not exactly fitting his writing style. But you never know, they could be amazing with darker back stories.

Ugh. If they made "dark and broody" movies about Thor or the Flash, I would kill myself. Don't get me wrong, those types of movies have their place, especially with darker heroes like Batman and Blade. But don't make something gritty and serious just for the sake of being cool, this isn't the 80's. That's not what these characters are about.

One of my main reasons for liking Fantastic Four: They got tone of the characters perfectly (yeah yeah, bash away). It's all about being true to the feel of the book.
big-doze
11-13-2006, 07:21 AM
saving private ryan type start, hell yeah. maybe even R rate it...but not all shitty like the punisher. hmmm...i'll settle for pg13...

I'll bet anyone here five bucks that the A on his head will either be tiiiiny or non-existent. I'm officially semi-stoked for the prospect of a well-done captain america movie.

It'd be kinda cool if he was wearing the outfit from the beginning of Ultimates #1. But even so, I think they could leave the "A" on there. It's an inspiration type'a thing...

Oh, or maybe they'll give him the little eagle on his head, like in Heroes Reborn (urp... sorry, saying that name makes me throw up a little bit in my mouth.)
poltah
11-13-2006, 09:00 AM
It should start out in WW2, but he should end up in the modern time. This shouldn't be a action movie, it should be about a man who lost his past, a man out of his time.
The way Cap feels, which The Ultimates capture perfectly, is that he goes to sleep in WW2, and wakes up now.

Of course, with action also. But this movie shouldn't be as superheroe as FF for example.

And BTW, FF didn't capture the comic at all. The FF comic's main theme is family, a family that requently travels to the negatiev zone.
laughterkillsme
11-13-2006, 09:52 AM
Totally. It should open like Ultimates #1. That was AMAZING.

What the movie NEEDS to be truly AMAZING is to have David Hasselhoff reprising his role as Nick Fury, in black face.

And BTW, FF didn't capture the comic at all. The FF comic's main theme is family, a family that requently travels to the negatiev zone.


haha, i dunno.

The whole elements of the earth versus science and industry thing was fine by me. Casting and character interactions weren't too far off either ... the story and directing is what really killed it.
abacusand13south
11-13-2006, 04:48 PM
I love when someone (Johnathan) lets there hate of a specific person (Zak Penn) cloud the truth. Penn didnt write the FF movie but he did write X2 (he just didnt get a writting credit) Last Action Hero, PCU, Behind Enemy Lines, and wrote and directed Incident at Lochness. He also wrote Elektra which was a good movie on its own but didnt capture the character from the comics.

And Goyer isnt writing the Dark Knight, Jonah Nolan is and Goyer is just producing I beleive, but most times how much of the story the writer intended ends up as he saw it? A lot of writers view seeing 40% of their vision on screen as a win and thats bullshit. And most of these movies dont come to fruition anyway.

But id like to see Michael Avon Oeming write the Thor movie because his Thor is so awesome. But Goyer writing Cap like everyone else has said will likely just be an adaptation of the beginning of the Ultimates and then we segue into Zak Penn writing the Avengers movie!

Goyer should get to work finding someone to take the Blade series and/or jump in on the Moonknight tv series, or just combine the both of them especially with the Moonknight reference in the Blade pilot.

Long winded rambling in any of this comes across as intended ill be surprised.
poltah
11-13-2006, 05:54 PM
Bullshit! Everybody knows it was a fusion.
Nolan and Goyer did that dance, and fused into Golan. Golan is the one who wrote the script.



Zak Penn wrote X2, X3 and FF, albeit not alone. But he takes some of the blame. Neither are very well written. Goyer didn't produce Batman Begins, he wrote it along with Nolan.

I've read like one comic with Elektra, and I don't know the character at all. But that movie really sucked. It's probably the worst superhero movie ever.
abacusand13south
11-13-2006, 06:28 PM
Bullshit! Everybody knows it was a fusion.
Nolan and Goyer did that dance, and fused into Golan. Golan is the one who wrote the script.



Zak Penn wrote X2, X3 and FF, albeit not alone. But he takes some of the blame. Neither are very well written. Goyer didn't produce Batman Begins, he wrote it along with Nolan.

I've read like one comic with Elektra, and I don't know the character at all. But that movie really sucked. It's probably the worst superhero movie ever.

Did you read my post at all? Goyer and Christopher Nolan wrote begins thats common knowledge. Jonah Nolan is writing the sequel and Zak Penn did not write the Fantastic Four movie.
poltah
11-13-2006, 06:52 PM
Zak Penn did not write the Fantastic Four movie.

Oh, you're right. Sorry.

He's still to blame for X-men though.
bravestarr
11-13-2006, 07:03 PM
Is Ryan Reynolds still attached as The Flash?

i hope not, he needs to play Deadpool.
abacusand13south
11-14-2006, 03:52 PM
Oh, you're right. Sorry.

He's still to blame for X-men though.

I liked the X Men movies and pretty much everything else of his.

i hope not, he needs to play Deadpool.

Reynolds is a perfect Deadpool but I could totally see him playing a Wally West Flast but im not sure which Flash will be in the possible movie.