Official Petition for Longer Scam School Episodes

[chuckles]

Do we want longer episodes? More scams per episode? Well, make your voices heard... post to this thread.. and I'll make sure that our Fearless Leader (http://revision3.com/forum/member.php?u=57564) hear (read) it.

-chuckles-

[jdogg2289]

Absolutely, even 15 minutes (3 scams) would be perfect.

signed

[greif]

I like the quick takes. adding more time or scams would just delay the content coming out. and I'm sure it would get repetitive real fast.

[Mr. Underachiever]

Signed. Three minutes a week is a total ripoff.

Though I wouldn't complain if they did the show daily like the first week.

[damnedeyez]

We need more each week...personally, I like the 1 a day, multiple days.

[DrunkBuffalo]

3min sucks i want enough time to sit down ans enjoy it not just a little taste then yank it way from me. Longer episodes Please.

[garrun]

/sign

[kevincollateral]

either three 5 min episodes a week....which i think its the best route..


or one 15 min show once a week.

SIGNED x2...the wife included

[Casework]

I think you should go 1 of 2 options. Either a longer episode, 2-3+ scams per show, OR I like the idea of releasing the short show multiple times a week. Either T/Th or M/W/F. I will be honest though that I do not like the idea of daily(as in, 5 days a week) episodes at all. The only show it really works for is Tekzilla, but even that I have somewhat tuned out on. Just being honest. :)

[Casework]

adding more time or scams would just delay the content coming out. and I'm sure it would get repetitive real fast.

I don't understand that logic. Ever since Revision 3 set up an official schedule, they rarely miss release times anymore, and the only times they do it is understandable and typically well communicated to the audience(the biggest flaw in the past). Sure, it's more work, but I have a hard time believing the show would suddenly be delayed every week if they added another segment or two.

Another idea is maybe add a different segment to the show - not sure what would work, because the format as of now is great, but there's always room for viewer questions, maybe even general tricks that are left unexplained.

[EddyC30]

Yes! Make a good show even better!

[chuckles]

Signed. Three minutes a week is a total ripoff.

Though I wouldn't complain if they did the show daily like the first week.

Ripoff? Do you want a refund?? :)

-chuckles-

[thrashmetal101]

F (forget) short content. Is Revision3 trying to be like every other podcast "network" that puts out 5 minute shows? This is where i think Revision3 shines, and that's producing long form content. Everyone is pushing out daily garbage. Rev3, please don't do the same, that's not what you bought the studio for.

Oh and I won't be watching scam school if it continues down the short content road.

[sgregory416]

awesome show,it would totally work like how pretty much everybody suggests three 5 minutes shows a week or one 15 minute show. i personally think the later is the better route. thursday is a perfect day advance for us to hone our scamming skills for friday and the rest of the weekend, and 15 minutes is a perfect length so the show doesn't feel stretched out. keep up the good work guys.

[nextgenxbox]

I wouldn't mind a new short ep every M, W, and F. -- Or three scams per episode. More scam school, the better!

[damnedeyez]

I don't like the multiple scams in a weekly show idea for two reasons: one being, to me, they'd feel like they blended together. Two being, you could always just save three singles to watch in one sitting (which, while it could be done so you watch one multi-scam episode on multiple sittings...doesn't work quite as well).

I supposed there's always the option of offering two feeds...do three scams a week and edit them into three weekly shows and one compilation show.


(and I already signed, but I still say more)

[jivetrky]

Hmmmm, while I would really enjoy longer shows, I don't feel "shorted" by the length of them currently. I suppose that this weeks episode did feel a little shorter than others.

I would love to see longer episodes. I agree that rev3's great calling is good, lenthy episodic content. I like that several of their shows are 40+ minutes. But I'm not sure if this particular show could really be a long show.

I would think brian and crew would have to put a lot more time into it and I would think that with his magic tours, he'd be pressed for time and we could end up with delayed shows or shows that maybe wouldn't be their best because of time restraints. This is of course just a guess as I have NO idea what brian and crew's life is like. But just looking at his schedule on his site, he seems pretty busy. http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/dunno.gif

[JordanM85]

I would like to anti sign this petition. I think the show is great in the quick format. I linked quite a few people to that match trick, and if it was in the middle of some 15 minute episode, no one would have even bothered watching through it.

[jsatt]

If it's going to be a weekly show, instead of the dailies it was the first week, it needs to be longer. I think about 15 mins is a good length, plenty of time for 2-4 segments.

[tokenuser]

I would like to anti sign this petition. I think the show is great in the quick format. I linked quite a few people to that match trick, and if it was in the middle of some 15 minute episode, no one would have even bothered watching through it.Have to agree. I like the one trick per episode format.

Scam school is like a chocolate bar. Small and satisfying. Sure, one a week is nice, but you'd like more ... 2-3 time/week.

[p_frank]

I'd love a half hour episode every week, myself :)

[kevincollateral]

Scam school is like a chocolate bar. Small and satisfying. Sure, one a week is nice, but you'd like more ... 2-3 time/week.

so scam school is going to make me fat??? damn.

[deezy]

I'm 100% addicted to this show, I agree I could use more shows. Brian's always leaving us wanting more. The scams past have been very powerful but just are short quick tricks, multi releases would be great.

[tokenuser]

so scam school is going to make me fat??? damn.I'm not sure about it making you fat ... but that dress you are wearing sure makes your ass look big :p

I was going to make a chinese food analogy - something about having some now, and craving more later.

[edmarriner]

i think scam school works well at its current length but there really really need needs to be more than one ep released a week

[forthekids85]

I like the length as is, but wouldn't mind seeing 2 or 3 episodes a week.

[spiri]

Yeah, multiple short shows per week would be awesome I think :)

Maybe not every day, but like three times a week or so.

[zeely]

I agree it needs to be longer. Heck I have a slow internet connection and if it take me longer to download it than to watch it that is bad.

[samureye]

Negative on the longer eps. One Monday and one Friday instead, please.

[esophagus]

Multiple episodes a week (2? 3? Whatever isn't pushing it.) would be fun. Epsides are fine the way they are, though.

[high6]

daily would be much, maybe 2/3 a week?

[Maynza]

3 minutes a week is stupid.

If not a daily how about a M/W/F type deal?

[lnknpk04]

Definitely want longer episodes. Saw the 'preview' in St Louis and have been waiting for the show to launch. Slowly becoming one of my top shows on Rev3

[nollek]

3 minutes a week is stupid.

If not a daily how about a M/W/F type deal?

agreed.

signed.

[bluevoid]

Love the show. As long as content doesn't suffer because of it I'd be thrilled to see longer episodes or more episodes per week.

/Signed

[doober187]

...if that. The point IS to leave you wanting more, for you to go out and use them, and the show has to last. Personally I think it should stay a 1 scam/1 week show, and it be as long as it needs to show the scam and how it works. But what would also be cool is adding a "Victims" segment at the end, where Brian and/or other people perform these tricks on about 3 other people in a bar(maybe 2) and seeing their reactions. So, ideally, it would be 8-12min an episode, or 18-22min for 2 scams. But definitely not 3 scams, as creative as they are, it's just not possible to come up with 3 scams a week and keep the show up for more than a year, and I imagine they'd want it to last longer than that. I know Brian already has an arsenal of scams to show us, but once that's up, they gotta make more. If they feel they CAN do that, then by all means, do 2-3 scams a week, but I want this show to last.

SUMMARY - Keep the show as is, great fun, but add a "Victims" segment at the end. - IMO

As for the people that "aren't going to watch it unless it's longer"...that's just dumb, when have you ever turned down 1/2 a cookie because you couldn't have a whole one? It's free, it's enjoyable, you take what you get. Who are you kidding anyway, you'll take it, you're just saying that, because you want more now. Quality over quantity, as cliché as it is.

Keep it up Brian, great fun, AND USEFUL!!!
-doober (stl.mo.usa)

[PB12IN]

I’m a fan of the quick shows. It’s a nice balance to the other longer shows. Saying that a more frequently released smaller show would be great.

But, ill take what I can get. After all it’s great content provided free; a really great combination. Thanks for the hard work.

[nextgenxbox]

SUMMARY - Keep the show as is, great fun, but add a "Victims" segment at the end. - IMO



I like that idea. Show more people being scammed. See how different people react, etc... :)

[CheatRZ]

I'd like to see more than 3-5 minutes a week. </signed>

I like the m/w/f (or Tu/Th) ideas the best, but one longer episode (around 15 minutes) wouldn't be so bad either.

[owbert]

longer episodes? yes.

/signed.

[dash2]

1 scam, 3 days a week.
Monday, Wednesday, Friday.

[merrymischief]

don't take scam school videos away from me!! i might cry!!
maybe that will work?? lol.

[garrun]

I kind of like the short episodes for these types of tricks, but I would like more of them and maybe a monthly long episode for something with more setup, and an occasional 'special' that is really elaborate. You are only going to push 'social engineering' so far in 5 mins or less.

[edmarriner]

It seems that most people would rarther see multiple short eps than one longer ep.

I belive a M, W, F arrangement would work well for scam school.

cheers,
-ed

[OCT_Dragon74]

I have to say keep it in the same format, but say 2/3 shows a week. M/W/F and T/Th sound good, but I would rather see Th/F or W/Th/F format to gear up for the weekend!

[FoX]

Signed. Three minutes a week is a total ripoff.

Though I wouldn't complain if they did the show daily like the first week.

I don't get how you feel ripped off when its free.

I wouldn't mind slightly longer eps, but not too long. Maybe in the 5-8min range but I do like that they are simple and to the point. I'd love to see more peoples reactions to some scams, if he scams more than 1 or 2 people that is.

You know, I'd like to see him scam some people that don't work for Revision3. Just other people he meets at the bars

[eminemdrdre00]

If theres too many a week, the show will have to end! Theres only a certain amount of ways to scam people!

[Heytheregoodlookin]

What I would like to see is a couple more scams a show and maybe a few scenes of Brian actually scamming people for free drinks. Kind of a I'm going to tell you how to scam then I am going demonstrate it for you.

[kevincollateral]

this thing has to have enough signees to warrant the 2/3 times a week we have asked for!

[ajadoniz]

NO! I don't want longer episodes, they are just fine. how bout more episodes instead, i'd be happy with 3 per week.

[delrio]

Maybe not longer, but I'd sure enjoy if there were two episodes a week, rather than one.

[AndyFM]

i'm on the more episodes a week bandwagon rather than one long one per week!

[Razor1138]

This show time is perfect, it's just long enough to show you the scam but short enough to be watched on the road or at work. At BEST maybe have one more episode a week,

[Grayson]

The Scam School weeklies seem more like dailies. MORE!!!!!

[AndyN]

We need more episodes per week. My thirst for free beer needs to be quenched!

[imbar]

more scames defently.... (per show)

I Hop they wont end up. great show!

[isamurai]

Aye! !

[ajahxster]

More Scams we need more time for more scams.

[Fat Chub]

I would love to have hour long episodes every day… unfortunately then it would turn into “Who wants to be a millionaire” and then it would get so old so fast….

[TimS]

Other shows manage to have dailies, that last 3 mins, I think this show should, rather than weeklies that last 3 mins.

Pettition signed.

[Shinigami052]

I like it the way it is. I get one trick a week to practice. I'm happy with it like that. Plus ever show seems to have a daily. It's annoying already. The only show I think that should have a daily is Tekzilla. Keep the show the way it is right now and when you have more difficult or elaborate tricks, make the show longer.

[xibalba]

He could leave it the way it is teach us and the person he is doing the scam on then go someplace else and do the scam for real on someone. In other words steal someones money without giving it back. :D

It would increase the length alittle.

[vahnx]

Scam School is pretty sweet. I don't mind the short episodes once a week. Makes you want it more and keeps it fresh.

[themadhatter444]

The more frequent the episodes, the quicker the longevity of the show goes away. I love Scam School too, but I also love cake. I like my cake in small doses and infrequently so it's a treat. If I eat a whole cake in one sitting, I'm sick and don't want any cake for quite some time.

Love the format, but if people want longer episodes, maybe add a few instances of Brian actually scamming people out of drinks. Ten minutes is probably ideal.

Keep it up!

[imdante]

i watch this show and others from my xbox. it would nice to take a break from xbox360 and the computer and just relax on the couch.

Longer episodes for sure!

[mebe]

vote to keep it as is.

if it aint broke, dont fix it....aka stop bitching

[siractsalot777]

Scamschool is an awesome show and longer episodes would be fantastic maybe just a few scams together.... its fine the way it is now ... if the episodes become longer... great if they dont... im fine with the show

[rabidbadger]

I'm finally watching this so I'm doing a marathon, so I am getting a huge chunk-o-scam in one bite, been through about 6 of them, and already I am not looking forward to waiting a week for such a small dose. But really, I think the best answer might be to do the show as it is now, but make it longer, not by adding another new scam or two, he would run out in a year, and not by making short eps three times a week, for the same reason. What he should do is go the candid-camera route.

Do the first segment as is, full trick/explanation/review... but then add a bunch of shorter edited down trials and reactions from other marks. some will be similar, some will call him on it, some will be bloopers... some won't fall for it cause they saw him do it earlier... etc.

This would be a good way to flesh out the show, add a few more minutes, and give us some more laughs, and maybe show us how things can go wrong, and learn from it.

and then maybe after the credits, a real quick lesson of a small trick that isn't a bar scam, but fun to learn. It is school after all. title it "extra credit"

For that, I would be happy to wait a week.

[ebeta]

I like the 1 item per show format.

some shows may need more time, and I'd be welcome to having more time dedicated to showing the successes/failures of online viewers posted to the webcast, but as a magician who incorporates these as jokes/tricks when I'm doing bar magic in Nagasaki, I think you should spend the time between episodes perfecting your delivery of that trick /scam and making it work in your market

3 would be overkill

doesn't matter if you can DO the Jack-o-lantern 10 minutes after the video... you've got to make it WORK in the venue you're performing...

each scam you think you might use DESERVES your practice, or it's not worth doing

[minton]

I think scam school should be a live 24 hour feed that follows Brian all day every day...come on brian you can be on all the time!!!

The fans demand it!!!

[pheobo]

Yes to longer episodes.
No to more then one trick per week (understanding the business and personal logic behind being able to do more shows and keeping us fans wanting more)

Yes to after the fact conversations with victims on the scams
& YES to hidden camera action then followed by conversations with victims.

[rabidbadger]

yes to your no's and yes to your yes's. ;)

[jks15]

I love this show and look forward to it each week. I like the format that it is now, but if you're looking for a change then I think the best bet would be to keep the same basic layout but stretch it out. I don't think mashing together a couple of scams in one show would work imo. I like the idea of each show being focused on performing one scam. To extend the show [to maybe 15, 20 minutes?] I would suggest scamming some random person [as usual], showing them how it's done [agian, as usual], and then having them try it out on someone, and document that.

[azrael.ashland]

Got my vote!

[elbaso]

I actually don't mind the length as it is right now. It's the perfect length for watching on the go on my iPod Touch, etc.
I wouldn't mind more frequent shows, though.

Also, I love the interactions with the public. The episodes where you do the trick multiple times with different people have been good. More of that.

Thanks for the great stuff!

[super6]

I'd love to see an episode every weekday or something if Shwood can keep up but my fear is that, as a young magician, he'll run out of scam quicker that way.
/signed

[idiotonuni]

have them practice and try it on someone else

[danielmoc]

longer episodes would be, beeter :D

or once a month 1 big scam.

[fourway]

I'd love to see a format where you do a cool bar trick or other "go ahead and try this on your friends" scam in the existing short format but then go on into a slightly longer segment that documents and demonstrates a genuine old time short con with plenty of "don't try this at home" and info on how to recognize variations of the scam when you see it being done.
There are a few of perfectly legit reasons for getting deeper into the really shady stuff, (the most important one from my perspective is that it would be damn amusing and I can't think of a better person to teach it... but I guess I did say "legit") I'll list a few I can think of off the bat:

The short con in it's varied forms can be a perfect marvel of social engineering, some of them are such gems of inside out morality object lesson that they ought to be framed.

The entire enterprise of old time traveling grift has fallen on hard times and only exists anymore in it's least elegant incarnations, the business of fleecing people has mostly been taken over by giant corporations that get the job done en-masse by convincing people to pay %1000 markups on tiny cans of sugar water and by telemarketers and email spammers running the most transparent and heavy handed of games by simply relying upon volume to scoop up the very most feeble minded and gullible marks.
The loss of this particular criminal class is perhaps not really a bad thing (though I think I'd trade proper depression era con men one for one with the spam/scam sweatshops that run "the nigerian scam" ) , but the loss of their art form perfected over thousands of years is really a shame.

There is a great deal to be said for revealing (in an entertaining way) how real confidence games worked. There was a time a decade or two ago when yuppy business types were all over reading The Art of War by Sun Tsu because it supposedly taught strategic thinking that was believed to be somehow applicable to the workplace and to business. I'd think that a good grounding in the inner workings of human engineering for criminal gain would stand the modern corporate warrior in much better stead than a deep and abiding understanding of ancient chinese warfare.

Very little information exists. The lore of the con is a verbal tradition and where it is documented in print it is generally marred by varying degrees and combinations of piss poor writing, rank sensationalism, inaccurate info, absence of historical perspective and lousy context, in fact the most detailed books on the subject are dust dry textbooks written for corrections officers to help them protect themselves from jailhouse scams. In 50 years many of the short cons that probably started in ancient greece and were common in taverns and gas stations across america until the 70s will be gone for good and no clear record of how they worked will remain. video documenting these processes will create a historical reference that will be indespensible to students, historians and writers into the distant future.

[PeppersGhost]

I would love to see a longer show but I would like new episodes to continue to arive as fast as they do.

[hayz]

i like the idea of the same sized show, but maybe m/w/f or like sat/tu/th, more than one a week would keep the information in nice sized videos, but keep the new ideas coming at a good pace, imho

[banancanard]

I would be happy with one scam 2 times a week. Maybe a tuesday friday or something. I always want to see another episode when I am done with one.

[rabidbadger]

This is all well and good, but if you check his tour site schedule, or follow him on twitter, you would know that aint realistic.

[Dantex64]

A couple minutes extra on each epp would be good but no more than 1 scam per epp, cause it takes a couple of days to learn some of them and school starts soon :(

/Dante

[randalcormier]

Yes Who would not want more Brian BrushWOOD! MORE WOOD!

[gasl14]

I like the way the system is set up, learn a trick one week and master it. Throwing in a bunch in one episode would kinda overwhelm

[happyhippyharry]

Signed. Can't get enough of scam school! I WANT MORE! lol

[patrickd]

I haven't checked any "facts" or "real numbers", but it seems like the episodes have been getting longer. Maybe that's just because they seem pretty packed now that there's often a fan question and sometimes something extra like a Domain Smack.

[somozacomics]

I like the quick takes. adding more time or scams would just delay the content coming out. and I'm sure it would get repetitive real fast.

i agree with you. plus, if that were to happen, we'd be on like episode 15 or somthing right now

[tarsis]

We need more each week...personally, I like the 1 a day, multiple days.

i have to agree there

[Donor]

You can bet your but I want longer "Longer is always better" :)~

[Kamasutra]

I'm fine with the number and length of the scams. Also, this needs to be sustainable so doing more would only work if Brian had a lot left or could think of new ones quickly enough.

[scamschoolisbeast]

personally i like the episodes length i think he should make more podcasts

[rabidbadger]

yeah, I think it's perfect length/content now.

[furai]

Originally I was just watching these, got up to around ep 20, then decided to really take in what was being presented. I'm not sure if the eps are continuing to get longer but around 10 minutes seems to add enough to getting it setup, showing it being done to a couple of people, allowing Brian's charm to shine, all without taking away from the lesson. Explaining it a few times in different situations helps. Seeing it being pulled on a mark helps. Scam School is a really great show, you can quote me on that.

Note: I've read virtually every post and this forum has some of the best users on it that I've ever seen! So I'm not hating but presenting it like this.

Some users wanted half hour shows, pfft. Saying its ok to have more adverts if it was longer. Pffft. Or to include more than one trick an episode. Its so much easier to digest these if they are short and separate, unless they are really quick like the Quick Beer Tricks ep. It also allows the episode discussions to really focus on honing a trick. Lastly having it as a daily, bi or tri weekly would be overwhelming to a student. A week between eps gives a chance for a student to practice a routine before learning another. Fan questions are nice since Brian and the show seem much more about community than typical fan relationships.

I am curious about the correlation between episode length and just viewing or acquiring these mad skillz.

[xxparker]

I don't know about longer episodes, but how about 2 a week?
I sometimes see Brian on Twitter saying that he just shot 4 episodes, I've even seen him say 8 episodes.. There is pretty much endless tricks and I think he could just go to a bar every couple of weeks and shoot a few episodes.

It's probably more complicated than just doing.

Not hating, I love the show and all.

[super6]

I'd love to see more episodes per week and if he gets low on material he can always invite guests on. I'd really love to see if they can get Penn Jillette on.