Metal Water bottles.

[xibalba]

Which would be better stainless steal from Klean Kanteen or an Aluminum one from SIGG?

[ryudo]

Personally I like Stainless steal better.
I just have the mental distrust of Aluminum about poisons..probably a little paranoia about Aluminum poisoning.

[xibalba]

Sigg aluminum bottles have a baked on water based coating on the inside.

[tokenuser]

Over summer (because in winter I drink nowhere near enough water), I have a polycarbonate waterbottle that takes refreezable "ice tubes". When I drink water, I want it ice cold.

[xibalba]

Over summer (because in winter I drink nowhere near enough water), I have a polycarbonate waterbottle that takes refreezable "ice tubes". When I drink water, I want it ice cold.

Is it one of the "bad" bottles or is it an ok one?

[tokenuser]

Is it one of the "bad" bottles or is it an ok one?No, I checked that - its a food grade plastic. No leaching of lead, which has the downside of me needing to be careful with it because it will shatter if dropped on a hard surface.

[xibalba]

I ordered me an aluminum one..the poly one I had was a bad one so i got to get a new one. I couldn't find a stainless or aluminum one anywhere. that you didn't to to buy a 25 dollar backpack to get it or a 30 dollar brita water filter to get it.

[xibalba]

I got me this.
http://www.mysigg.com/ProductImages/MYSIGG/8116.50.JPG

[xibalba]

Design Upclose

http://www.dxibalba.com/bottle.png

[m3wse]

yeah, sigg flasks are safe. They're coated so well they can hold carbonated drinks and fruit juices! and the coating is flexible so if it gets dented, the coating remains intact!

[xibalba]

thats cool it cost me 17 bucks with s&h. haha

[ryudo]

That looks pretty cool.:)

[rabidbadger]

thats cool it cost me 17 bucks with s&h. haha

sounds like you made the right decision. :)

[esophagus]

This one makes me laugh...

http://www.onlinefitness.com/images/productimages/240_816100.jpg

[ericjosepi]

This one makes me laugh...

http://www.onlinefitness.com/images/productimages/240_816100.jpg

Why does that remind me of Syd Barret?

[awwang]

Why does that bottle make you laugh? Cause it says 'Make Love' right? ROTFLMAO, :D!

Here is something even funnier:
YouTube Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEXqMH8I3_w)
Hope you like it!

[esophagus]

... Really?

[acidburn]

Is it one of the "bad" bottles or is it an ok one?

Which ones are the "bad" ones now? I saw a story on the local news last week, but I missed the details and now I can't find the article.

EDIT: I've been reading some articles online this morning. It's kind of confusing. #7 is the bad one now, right? :(

[tokenuser]

Which ones are the "bad" ones now? I saw a story on the local news last week, but I missed the details and now I can't find the article.

EDIT: I've been reading some articles online this morning. It's kind of confusing. #7 is the bad one now, right? :(Someting about Nagalene.

[acidburn]

I have a Camelbak water bottle, and I think it may be one of the ones that may have BPA. :(

[banzaibk]

I looked into these after the Gazette aswell:p I prefer the Siggs but I'm kinda put off by how little (imo) water they hold. The Kleen Kanteen ones are kinda more expensive then.

[xibalba]

The bottle I got says it is a liter. Plenty of water for me.

[banzaibk]

Oh yeah I know, a litre is a good bit of water. I was just thinking about how long it would last for an epic water guzzler like myself:p

[xibalba]

I have a Camelbak water bottle, and I think it may be one of the ones that may have BPA. :(

I think its mostly polycarbonate bottles with the #7 on the bottle. I have read there are some #7 bottles that doesn't contain BPA. But so called experts are saying avoid all #7 bottles. It is a tad confusing I'm not taking a chance and it's this all just a big scare tactic right now anyways? Based one exposing animals to BPA...

[tokenuser]

The bottle I got says it is a liter. Plenty of water for me."They" recommend 8 glasses a day. 1l is 4 glasses.

[acidburn]

I think its mostly polycarbonate bottles with the #7 on the bottle. I have read there are some #7 bottles that doesn't contain BPA. But so called experts are saying avoid all #7 bottles. It is a tad confusing I'm not taking a chance and it's this all just a big scare tactic right now anyways? Based one exposing animals to BPA...

Exactly, next month it will be some other terror in the kitchen. :)

I know that some of these are legit, but who can keep track of the all the things that are supposed to be bad for us.

[xibalba]

My bottle was a really inexpensive one so i figured they would use more dangerous cheaper materials so I got rid of it.

[iccanui]

im not into " coatings". Coatings wear off and then where does that leave you. Granted i didnt know about aluminum poisoning, so i dont know how bad it is for you and stuff. But from the info in this thread, i would get steel. But i guess its too late anyway huh :)

[xibalba]

Coke cans are made of aluminum and I have been drinking out of them for nearly all my life. So I am not really worried about that. Too be honest drinking out of the so called dangerous plastic bottles is probably not to bad as long you change it once or twice a year. It was just an excuse for me to get a bigger bottle with a cool design on it. :D

[iccanui]

yea true i never thought about that.

Oh well, there is somethings i think you just go " F it ". I mean i cant worry about every single little thing and since i have been drinking out of cans for 30 years, i think any damage thats been done is done.

Besides, i only drink zepherhills water anymore anyway.

[tokenuser]

Coke cans are made of aluminum and I have been drinking out of them for nearly all my life. So I am not really worried about that. Too be honest drinking out of the so called dangerous plastic bottles is probably not to bad as long you change it once or twice a year. It was just an excuse for me to get a bigger bottle with a cool design on it. :DCoke cans are coated on the inside.

Aluminium is reactive, which makes it kinda sort inert. Thing is that Aluminium gets a coaring of oxide on the outside. The oxide is hard, inert, and pretty safe. It can also be "forced" to be coloured by oxidation int he presence of dye or another chemical. Agian, no big deal. Problem is that aluminium, and its oxide (which is just a fancy name for "rust") is reactive to acids, and that can cause issues. So, if the coating gets scratched, you have just broken the protection, and will be at risk until it heals itself.

Its not a big deal though. I just don't like the metallic taste (real or perceived) you get from Aluminium cans.

Heres a question for you though ... if you go into your local megamart, will they let you refill your stainless cup from the self serve softdrink vending machines (or slurpee machines) - or do you need to purchase a plastic cup first? I know BigBucks coffee shops will brew into your travel mug ... but what about the rest of us? Will we get to a point where we all travel with a stainless travel mug to cut down on waste? When I travelled in Europe, I carried a camping spork (http://www.rei.com/product/737339) to eat with while on the road (takeout, not restaurants).

[xibalba]

To get the results these scientist are getting on animals they are probably using massive amounts of the stuff. More than a person would get from a many many years of being exposed.

[xibalba]

Coke cans are coated on the inside.

Aluminium is reactive, which makes it kinda sort inert. Thing is that Aluminium gets a coaring of oxide on the outside. The oxide is hard, inert, and pretty safe. It can also be "forced" to be coloured by oxidation int he presence of dye or another chemical. Agian, no big deal. Problem is that aluminium, and its oxide (which is just a fancy name for "rust") is reactive to acids, and that can cause issues. So, if the coating gets scratched, you have just broken the protection, and will be at risk until it heals itself.

Its not a big deal though. I just don't like the metallic taste (real or perceived) you get from Aluminium cans.

Heres a question for you though ... if you go into your local megamart, will they let you refill your stainless cup from the self serve softdrink vending machines (or slurpee machines) - or do you need to purchase a plastic cup first? I know BigBucks coffee shops will brew into your travel mug ... but what about the rest of us? Will we get to a point where we all travel with a stainless travel mug to cut down on waste?

Maybe in the future everyone will carry a mug to use hah but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Coating in the cans? Is it invisible? haha ever cut open a can after drinking one? I have didn't see no coating or feel one just saw aluminum.

[tokenuser]

Maybe in the future everyone will carry a mug to use hah but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Coating in the cans? Is it invisible? haha ever cut open a can after drinking one? I have didn't see no coating or feel one just saw aluminum.You shouldn't notice a coating. If it is anodised (forced rusting) it should feel like metal. If its food grade, it could have an anodised finish (more expensive) or could have an "organic finish" (plastic paint) coating (cheaper - because it is sprayed on, not dipped).

[xibalba]

There is an ep of How its made they show making aluminum coke cans. I will watch it again see what it says. I don't remember it has been awhile since I have seen it.

[xibalba]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SJNwsZH53-A

[xibalba]

Looks like ya were right a water based coating.

[rabidbadger]

wow. that vid was cooool. so much effort for a tossable container...

[xibalba]

wow. that vid was cooool. so much effort for a tossable container...

Did it play for you here at rev3? or did you have to go to youtube to watch it?
I ask because it is a embed disabled video. and it plays for me here hah. If it plays that means youtubes embed disabled function is useless here hah. :D

Of course it could just be me.

[acidburn]

Well after watching that video, I'm going to do my part to save the environment and buy some beer in aluminum cans. :)

[rabidbadger]

yep worked as an embed in rev3.. firefox mac beta...

[rokov]

Thanks to Glen's initial recommendation on the gazette and this thread, I just bought a 27 oz Klean Kanteen bottle. I was considering Sigg, but I still trust pure stainless more than a coating. Once I finish the case that I just opened, no more bottled water for me. :D

[xibalba]

I read some of the reviews on the klean stuff people said they were good but gave that metal taste sometimes.

[banzaibk]

I read some of the reviews on the klean stuff people said they were good but gave that metal taste sometimes.

Same, that put me off buying the KK, so I bought this SIGG;

http://www.mysigg.com/ProductImages/MYSIGG08/8025.30.JPG

[xibalba]

I like the fact sigg has lots of choices and designs. instead of just stainless steel or a couple solid colors.

[radzack]

hows the sigg?

[quorumcall]

I read some of the reviews on the klean stuff people said they were good but gave that metal taste sometimes.

I've heard that rinsing it first with a dilution of distilled white vinegar and water will take care of that.

Just some general information: there is no evidence that a person who drinks regularly out of a water container that contains BPA is more likely to develop cancer or any other ill health effects than a person who does not use such a container.

The great majority BPA consumption comes from the plastic lining of steel food cans, not water bottles.

Not all Type 7 plastics contain BPA. The Type 7 category is simply all plastic types that are not identified in Types 1-6-- a sort of miscellaneous category.

[acidburn]

More glass gets recycled than aluminium ... and the cost (energy used) in recycling aluminium is actually much, much higher than the cost of initial manufacture.

So, stick with beer in glass bottles :)

Well now I feel a lot better because when I got to the store last night I decided to go with Corona. :)

[radzack]

cancer? If there's a risk, i'm not in.

[zenbiont]

congrats on the reinvention of the canteen

:p

http://www.beaverbuckets.com/Canteen.htm

[xibalba]

Same, that put me off buying the KK, so I bought this SIGG;

I was reading some more reviews a couple people say the dent easy. Any truth to that?

[xibalba]

http://www.dxibalba.com/bottle.jpg

[Bohemian_Beauty]

I got me this.
http://www.mysigg.com/ProductImages/MYSIGG/8116.50.JPG

Wow. That's sexy. I need to find myself one.

[xibalba]

Sigg seems to have taken it off their website. Probably last years design or something. I ordered from Backcountry Edge and it is out of stock there.

[banzaibk]

I was reading some more reviews a couple people say the dent easy. Any truth to that?

Read the same on a European review site. My Sigg came today, doesn't seem like it would dent lightly at all!

[xibalba]

I got mine today. I can't believe how light it was felt like the box was empty. I was thinking did they forget the bottle. :D

[rhett803]

Those Sigg can's look awesome, but aluminum just doesn't sit well with me. That coating will wear off over time due to use and conditions. The thing about a coke can is, you don't reuse it daily. You simply throw it away and don't care.

What I also like about the Kleen Kanteen's stainless steel design, is I can place it over an open flame. That's just nice.

[blazes816]

I've ordered a Kleen Kanteen, and it is supposed to arrive tomorrow. I'll update when I test it out.

[radzack]

I ordered my girlfriend and I each one. Should be cool. The siggs that is. Oh and xibby, I saw your design on amazon, but it was sold out.

[xibalba]

I think that design is out of production now. Last I checked Sigg took it off their website. The day after I got it in the mail.

[xibalba]

Oh also I am enjoying the bottle. :D

Thought about buying one of Siggs Aluminum box things put food in and stuff and a new cap for my bottle so I don't have to continue to unscrew the lid and stuff.

[radzack]

any weird taste or anything like that?

[secret-steve-crumbles]

Do not get an aluminum water bottle. They have to coat the inside with a plastic type barrier that could crack, or leak chemicals into the water. It's pointless if you're trying to get away from plastic.

I've been drinking plastic water for around 10 years. That's all I drink (water) and it's mainly come from bottles. Either refilled by me, or purchased. Figured I might as well join the "scare" bandwagon and bought myself a Klean Kanteen 40oz. stainless steel bottle. I even bought the stainless steel cap, so no plastic ever touches my water.

Got it a few days ago and have had no problems with it. Normally if I leave a water bottle on my bedside table over night, or in my car, I can taste the "plastic" taste in it the next day. With this water bottle it just tastes like water no matter how long it sits.

It also has a wide mouth so I can put it in my fridge door ice dispenser, and dump ice into it very easily. Anyway, I love it. Here's some pics of it. Probably going to buy some 12oz sippy cups for my kid too.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/Bojangles888/klean01.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/Bojangles888/klean02.jpg

[xibalba]

Siggs inside coating is made from a water based coating not plastic/oil.

[secret-steve-crumbles]

Siggs inside coating is made from a water based coating not plastic/oil.Right, which can crack, break, whatever. Stainless Steel = no problems, and no coating needed.

[xibalba]

It is a highly elastic water based epoxy coating. Stainless steel = nickel which some people can have problems with even though klean is low in very nickel it still could bother someone who is highly sensitive to it.

[rokov]

The Klean Kanteen bottle that I ordered last month was finally just delivered over a week late (it was supposed to be here by the 6th). I guess it's a good thing that I was dragging my heels on sending an email to ask for a refund.:rolleyes:

[blazes816]

Mine got here on time. I love it. If I get time, I'll post action shots of it doing flips or something.

[rabidbadger]

but will it blen.... nevermind

[banzaibk]

The Klean Kanteen bottle that I ordered last month was finally just delivered over a week late (it was supposed to be here by the 6th). I guess it's a good thing that I was dragging my heels on sending an email to ask for a refund.:rolleyes:

:eek:
A month for delivery?! I woulda went mad:p

[rokov]

:eek:
A month for delivery?! I woulda went mad:p

It didn't take a month, just a little over 2 weeks, but the delivery estimate was the 6th and I didn't have tracking info, so I pretty much assumed that it was going to get here.

[xibalba]

Due to the incredible demand for SIGG bottles, we are forced to close down the MySIGG shop. We are also unable to supply any other Internet business for Sigg Brand. Our Swiss factory is working around the clock to produce and ship more bottles to us, but the demand has currently and for the near future - exceeded the supply.

Wow....Lots of people buying them.

[secret-steve-crumbles]

Do not get an aluminum water bottle. They have to coat the inside with a plastic type barrier that could crack, or leak chemicals into the water. It's pointless if you're trying to get away from plastic.

Siggs inside coating is made from a water based coating not plastic/oil.

Right, which can crack, break, whatever. Stainless Steel = no problems, and no coating needed.

It is a highly elastic water based epoxy coating. Stainless steel = nickel which some people can have problems with even though klean is low in very nickel it still could bother someone who is highly sensitive to it.

Well.... SIGG just admitted a couple days ago that what I was warning you about was true (http://www.zrecommends.com/detail/siggs-bpa-confession-you-arent-going-to-like-it-any-more-than-we-do/).... You might want to throw out that bottle and go with Kleen Kanteen (http://www.kleankanteen.com/) now...

[xibalba]

I use a stainless steel bottle I got from Walgreens for 4 bucks and just have my SIGG bottle on a self for decoration. So why should I spend 20-30 dollars on a steel bottle when I can get one for 4-6 bucks.

[xibalba]

I quit using it daily because like normal plastic bottles you get that weird plasticy taste(If water is left setting in it for more than a day). I still will use it sometimes but rarely. I will still keep using it most likely every now and then as well. Since don't most canned food contain a similar coating?

We are all going to die one day. So many things in the world are causing damage to our bodies so a plastic coating that leaks a chemical doesn't bother me. Hah

[secret-steve-crumbles]

I use a stainless steel bottle I got from Walgreens for 4 bucks and just have my SIGG bottle on a self for decoration. So why should I spend 20-30 dollars on a steel bottle when I can get one for 4-6 bucks.I dunno, you spent 20-30 dollars on one just to sit on the shelf for decoration...

[masherscf]

I think it's funny how these enviro-fads come and go. I remember this same reusable vessel fad about eighteen years ago. Everyone carried their own reusable plastic coffee mugs... most of them ended up in landfills.

BTW, we teach the kids not to drink from containers with skull and crossbones on it.

[xibalba]

I dunno, you spent 20-30 dollars on one just to sit on the shelf for decoration...

Well it was before you could find steel ones cheap every place only had plastic ones at the time and it was 10 bucks cheaper than any of the kleen ones of the same size.

The only reason I stopped using my plastic BPA leaking bottle is so I could get a metal one. :D

I really don't use either metal bottle. I do however 90% of the time get cases of plastic bottled water and throw them away after drinking them. :p

[kazuma_fullmetal]

well if you get the sigg water bottle it will look cooler but it will dent faster. the kleen kanteen is thicker and will hold up to damage better. also in the aluminum bottles there is a layer of epoxy that keeps the water from touching the metal but eventually it comes off in the water so there is a weird flavor. that and they hold flavors like crazy. i think this link should explain it all.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/10/bottle-shock-4/

[reedk]

I have a stanless steel water bottle and its perfectly fine for everyday use. Don't see any reason to get an aluminum one. Everyone has their own preferences i guess.


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