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ConorKilpatrick
04-30-2008, 06:35 PM
Tell us what you thought of the books of the week!
Here's what Josh (http://www.ifanboy.com/users/Josh/comics), Ron (http://www.ifanboy.com/users/Ron/comics), Conor (http://www.ifanboy.com/users/Conor/comics), and Gordon (http://www.ifanboy.com/users/Gordon/comics) are reading.
This week's Pick of the Week:
http://www.ifanboy.com/comics/comics/glamourpuss/1/cover-thumb.jpg
From here on out, it's SPOILER-O-RAMA.
Don't forget to rate and review the books over at iFanboy.com (http://www.ifanboy.com/comics)!
bigyanks
04-30-2008, 07:55 PM
i read DCU-0, it was basically a big solicit, that got me excited for upcoming events.
New Avengers - i enjoyed seeing when the skrulls decided to infiltrate earth. so does that mean that Spiderwoman has been a skrull this whole time? they explain they can have super skruls with multiple powers or a single skrull with the power of one but with extra power. which would explain spiderwoman surpassing her powers in that issue when there are captured by doom.
So is that Countdown 0 or are they just not doing that?
Labor_Days
04-30-2008, 08:00 PM
There is no Countdown 0. It was scrapped when DC tried to retool Countdown midpoint to lead into FC.
They are aware that 0 is the number that you count down to right?
I didn't think it was scrapped it just becamse DC Universe 0 because of how the content changed.
Labor_Days
04-30-2008, 08:14 PM
Yeah, it was scrapped. There was to be a Countdown #0. There will never be one.
Why are you asking for more Countdown, Fred?
horatio616
04-30-2008, 08:37 PM
Yeah, it was scrapped. There was to be a Countdown #0. There will never be one.
Why are you asking for more Countdown, Fred?
At number 13 or something they should have renamed it Countdown to Number Six and then stopped at issue six. That would have been cool.
Yeah, it was scrapped. There was to be a Countdown #0. There will never be one.
Why are you asking for more Countdown, Fred?
Simply put: OCD
Labor_Days
04-30-2008, 08:49 PM
Oh right. I forgot you were a speculator, Fred.
horatio616
04-30-2008, 08:53 PM
Oh right. I forgot you were a speculator, Fred.
He invested in 200 copies of Boris the Bear in 1986. Lost his ass.
Come on! I haven't speculated since Civil War.
Labor_Days
04-30-2008, 08:56 PM
You keep Michael Turner working, Freddy.
With the variants and the boobs. It's all you bro.
A fool and his money will always be soon parted. If I have to be the one to part them ... I'll do it.
Dave Accampo
04-30-2008, 09:00 PM
Just got back from my comic shop. A certain former Flash writer, whose name rhymes with Schmark Schmaid, was also there picking up comics. He was.... none to happy about certain events today...
Dave Accampo
04-30-2008, 09:04 PM
Lark Laid? Isn't that the girl Clark Kent lost his virginity to?
Dave Accampo
04-30-2008, 09:05 PM
lois lane = wife
lana lang = high school sweetheart
lark laid = prom night, back of the van.
horatio616
04-30-2008, 09:26 PM
Just got back from my comic shop. A certain former Flash writer, whose name rhymes with Schmark Schmaid, was also there picking up comics. He was.... none to happy about certain events today...
Like his new Flash has been good! :rolleyes: I'd rather read the program to Barry Allen's funeral than that crap. Go luck yourself Lark Laid!
Mark Waid birthed the Vagina Monster.
Dave Accampo
04-30-2008, 09:36 PM
I make no judgment on quality. Just sharing a little gossip.
I didn't read his return to Flash, but his first run is pretty classic, I gotta say.
Labor_Days
04-30-2008, 09:47 PM
Actually, Fred wasn't joking. Waid did have the Flash battle Vagina Monsters.
It was a plot point, but no one could find it. /rimshot
Dave Accampo
04-30-2008, 09:49 PM
Actually, Fred wasn't joking. Waid did have the Flash battle Vagina Monsters.
It was a plot point, but no one could find it. /rimshot
Yeah, I remember the cover and the notoriety it got. Although, Fred's outdone Waid today with the lovely link he put in his Twitter a little while ago...
Luthor
04-30-2008, 10:40 PM
Has anyone read that Daredevil thing that came out today? If so is the Tarantula in it related to the old kick ass Spider-Man Villian?
http://www.nakedcapoeira.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/tarantula_001.jpg
Yeah, I remember the cover and the notoriety it got. Although, Fred's outdone Waid today with the lovely link he put in his Twitter a little while ago...
Yeah, you guys really don't want to see the Wall o' Vag.
superfriend82
04-30-2008, 11:30 PM
i am not a big Flash fan but i think Bringing back Barry Alan is going to ge really cool.
I just thought that if Barry comes back.What i will happen to Wally West? Will he die? If so then what about the Titans? If there is two Flashs then i think that they should change their costums a bit or so.
Labor_Days
04-30-2008, 11:59 PM
I'm thinking Glamourpuss or Green Lantern may be Ron's POW.
For me, DC Universe Zero is the top book this week. Setting up Final Crisis perfectly and tying together the DCU as a whole in a very clever way.
DCU 0 and GL 30 are my favs this week.
Last month I was worried about this Secret Origin story, now it's totally paid off
Luthor
05-01-2008, 12:07 AM
The art sucked, but I really liked Action this week. It sets up a bunch of stuff.
SmokMnky
05-01-2008, 12:15 AM
Fraction's Thor 1 shot was pretty sweet, and the art, my god the art was beautiful.
The art sucked, but I really liked Action this week. It sets up a bunch of stuff.
I enjoyed the art
Labor_Days
05-01-2008, 12:34 AM
The art sucked, but I really liked Action this week. It sets up a bunch of stuff.
Totally agree. I liked Action Comics an awful lot this week. Batman's dialogue and demeanor seemed a bit off to me. Johns doesn't do Bats very well. That aside, this issue pulled together several threads that have been left dangling in the Superman stories this year. The last page with the Time Trapper touches on stuff from the Lightning Saga up now. And there were some Mon-El references I think.
Couldn't be more excited for The Legion Of Three Worlds. Perez is going to draw the hell out of that series.
itsbecca
05-01-2008, 01:11 AM
So wait. Let me get this straight. Can we now just forget that Kirkman's run on UXM ever existed... aside from, of course, the distinct lack of Jean? What a weird issue. What a weird run.
Ryan79
05-01-2008, 01:15 AM
I really didn't like the changes in Avengers: The Initiative (because if I don't talk about, who will?). Bringing Trauma back as a zombie-emo? Getting rid of Constrictor's coils in favor of...super-fingers? Thor-Girl still breathing? Getting rid of the phenomenal D-Bag that is Henry Gyrich? Come on, Slott, you're better than that. Also, the art is a step down from the last issue. A big step down. On the plus side, Ant-Man and Taskmaster continue to be AWESOME in just the few panels they're in. I'll keep buying the book as long as those two pricks are in it.
DC Universe did feel like a big solicit, which has been mentioned before, and while I liked what I saw, I don't want to commit to another Countdown-ish series. But if this makes The Flash better, I'm all for it. God, that series needs to be Ol' Yellered soon.
New Avengers was a much needed look at how the Skrulls launched their attack. I enjoyed it.
Elephantmen: War Toys is my POW because the art is great, the story is well-done, I feel for the characters, and it involves humanoid giraffes wielding gigantic machine guns. That's all I need in a book.
Six Gun
05-01-2008, 01:15 AM
Johns doesn't do Bats very well. .
Yeah, he's written a few good scenes with Bats (Infinite Crisis especially) but overall you're OTM
ConorKilpatrick
05-01-2008, 01:58 AM
DC Universe did feel like a big solicit, which has been mentioned before, and while I liked what I saw, I don't want to commit to another Countdown-ish series.
I don't know what this means.
Labor_Days
05-01-2008, 02:05 AM
Maybe he was referring to Trinity?
Labor_Days
05-01-2008, 03:19 AM
Dropped Teen Titans. I am not enjoying this run of McKeever's at all. I tried. Really, I did. but I can't do it any longer.
Simply put; Teen Titans is boring me to tears.
ConorKilpatrick
05-01-2008, 03:22 AM
Dropped Teen Titans. I am not enjoying this run of McKeever's at all. I tried. Really, I did. but I can't do it any longer.
Simply put; Teen Titans is boring me to tears.
He does not have a good handle on these characters. Robin won't forge documents? Since when?
paper
05-01-2008, 03:23 AM
Which is weird, because his Robin run was so good.
ConorKilpatrick
05-01-2008, 03:32 AM
Which is weird, because his Robin run was so good.
...? He wrote Birds of Prey but not Robin.
Labor_Days
05-01-2008, 03:47 AM
He does not have a good handle on these characters. Robin won't forge documents? Since when?
Or more importantly, how does he expect his friend to get a SSID, passport and adjust to "normal" life without a bit of help? It didn't make any sense.
Some of the characters are really inconsistent too in their behavior. Cassie, Robin and Supergirl spring to mind immediately. They were all over the map in the last few issues. Somewhere around the middle of the Titans Of Tomorrow...Today arc McKeever lost me.
Doesn't feel like a Titans book I am reading.
Why must I read Teen Titans Go! for a monthly Titans fix? What the heck are you doing, DC.
Luthor
05-01-2008, 04:00 AM
GungaDin and I actually had a long conversation about this very subject earlier on today. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Mckeever just doesn't have the passion for DC characters(when he first signed he said about a million times he was a Marvel guy and totally unfamiliar with DC). Everything he's touched at DC has been flat and felt like it wasn't really those characters talking(Countdown, Birds, Teen Titans).
ConorKilpatrick
05-01-2008, 04:04 AM
GungaDin and I actually had a long conversation about this very subject earlier on today. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Mckeever just doesn't have the passion for DC characters(when he first signed he said about a million times he was a Marvel guy and totally unfamiliar with DC). Everything he's touched at DC has been flat and felt like it wasn't really those characters talking(Countdown, Birds, Teen Titans).
You're totally right about the flatness of his DC writing. That's a great way to describe it.
Labor_Days
05-01-2008, 04:10 AM
Yeah. Very OTM.
I loved, loved, loved Spidey <3 MJ. Gravity was cool as well. So, I wanted to give McKeever a fair shake at things. McKeever's BoP was not good. Titans has been uneven.
Yet, I want to believe a good writer is a good writer. Wondering if maybe I gave McKeever more credit than what was due based on Spidey <3 MJ. Hmm...
Yo peeps! I wrote a few reviews for the website for Immortal Iron Fist (http://www.ifanboy.com/reviews/Neb/marvel_comics/immortal_iron_fist/14), Elephantmen: War Toys (http://www.ifanboy.com/reviews/Neb/image_comics/elephantmen_war_toys/3_(of_3)), and New Avengers (http://www.ifanboy.com/reviews/Neb/marvel_comics/new_avengers/40).
I really enjoyed GL #30, as others have mentioned.
As for Action Comics, I thought the art was ok, but I HATE when people draw Batman with the curved wing tips at his shoulders. Major ugh on that one. However, it was a good read and I enjoyed how it was tying some things together.
MastaP
05-01-2008, 04:28 AM
So. Barry's back. Well, I guess I'll see how that turns out.
Havn't read my whole stack yet, but #0 felt almost like an anthology of teasers and short stories. And I really enjoyed it. If the reveal at the end wasn't so deep in continuity, I'd say this was perfect for new readers.
MastaP
05-01-2008, 04:31 AM
So Neb, you're the other person buying Elephantmen
ConorKilpatrick
05-01-2008, 04:52 AM
As for Action Comics, I thought the art was ok, but I HATE when people draw Batman with the curved wing tips at his shoulders. Major ugh on that one. However, it was a good read and I enjoyed how it was tying some things together.
Heh - I love pointed shoulders Batman.
Labor_Days
05-01-2008, 05:03 AM
Bagley is doing pointy shoulder Batman in Trinity. I don't mind it too much. Perez did it well. But I like Adams or Aparo Batman best.
Thought Green Lantern was very good this week. Just shy of a POW, I felt. Reis is damn good. Love the idea of Abin Sur coming to Earth to investigate the blackest night. So simple these things Johns does. Yet he does them so well it feels like this is the way comics have always been.
Humphrey Lee
05-01-2008, 07:50 AM
I wish I could have comics this week. :(
Mikegraham6
05-01-2008, 11:59 AM
i am not a big Flash fan but i think Bringing back Barry Alan is going to ge really cool.
I just thought that if Barry comes back.What i will happen to Wally West? Will he die? If so then what about the Titans? If there is two Flashs then i think that they should change their costums a bit or so.
there's already two flashes, this would be the third. i have no problem with it, it works for green lantern and there are (were) two green arrows running around with the same name for a while
paper
05-01-2008, 12:11 PM
...? He wrote Birds of Prey but not Robin.
I always confuse him with Beechen.
JAFlanagan
05-01-2008, 12:38 PM
I always confuse him with Beechen.
Not even close.
Labor_Days
05-01-2008, 12:59 PM
Beechen's Birds Of Prey issues after Simone were excellent too. Beechen is back on the book after McKeever bows out.
HomeTeam790
05-01-2008, 01:04 PM
I got reminded of this from a friend of mine. Barry said he'd be there for Wally for the 3 toughest days of his life. He's already been there for two of them. Looks like number 3 is coming in Final Crisis.
Six Gun
05-01-2008, 02:16 PM
Heh - I love pointed shoulders Batman.
Me too. Did Breyfogle do that a bit as well?
Six Gun
05-01-2008, 02:18 PM
Not even close.
not a big fan of either (liked Beechan's Robin and nothing else)
Xebix
05-01-2008, 02:24 PM
UPS had a major screw-up and a lot of LCS in my area didn't get their comics yesterday. I am a sad panda. Now I have to wait till I get off of work today to get my books a day later than everyone else. :(
Labor_Days
05-01-2008, 02:26 PM
Did you read Beechen's Countdown To Adventure: Homefront story? It was tons of fun. Best written Starfire in years.
Six Gun
05-01-2008, 02:48 PM
Did you read Beechen's Countdown To Adventure: Homefront story? It was tons of fun. Best written Starfire in years.
no, his Robin was fantastic with the one-shots and pretty good with the story arcs and well, I spend too much on comics already
THat was great, and the Forerunner story? So so awesome!!
That last bit was sarcasm, which doesn't translate on the screen really. What I should have said was: and the forerunner story? So, so crappy!! or So, so Forgettable!! (they even sort of admit that within the story).
Helen-Bot
05-01-2008, 04:52 PM
there's already two flashes, this would be the third. i have no problem with it, it works for green lantern and there are (were) two green arrows running around with the same name for a while
Yeah it can be wicked when multiple versions of the same hero are running around, emphasising points of interest between each other, chatting about how awesome/challenging/depressing/important it is being a Lanturn or Flash or whatever...it adds dimensions and so much potential for interesting angles with the charecters.
But then as HomeTeam says, this doesn't bode well for Wally...
Other stuff I've just read (some from last week cos I'm slow):
Wonder Woman - Urgh still not really what I want but it's great to see someone let her be a warrior again
Green Lantern - Awesome, just awesome.
Northlanders - This is great, Gianfelice's artwork blows me away every time (is anyone else slightly reminded of Samurai Champloo in the charecter design...?)
Mikegraham6
05-01-2008, 05:00 PM
Sorry, i can't tell if you're being sarcastic in the first part of your post or not :o
Dave Accampo
05-01-2008, 06:13 PM
Only managed to read a couple books yesterday, so of course they were DCU #0 and New Avengers.
DCU #0 - I have to admit, while I'm very "meh" about Barry's return, the book overall got me excited for Final Crisis. It also got me excited about Batman RIP and Blackest Night, and I"m NOT reading either of those two books right now, so...the book actually did the job it was supposed to do. It got me interested. I might have to start adding some DC books back into my stack. Overall, as a comic book -- it wasn't that great. But as a $0.50 teaser...yes.
New Avengers - I'm enjoying this, but it still feels like a slowburn. SI kicked off, but now Bendis is using MA and NA to flesh everything out. I feel like this is the right approach...do an issue on Fury and where he's been. Do an issue on the skrulls. It's good stuff, but I'm waiting for the big splash. I guess that's what's coming in the main mini-series. In a way, it has already happened: SI #1 was the big splash, but now we're going back and showing how we go there. The flipside though is that SI #1 leaves us dying for more, and then these "foundation" issues slow things down. So I'm a little mixed on it, but...I think in the end it makes for a stronger story. Also: kick-ass last page reveal. This should be fun.
JasonTodd
05-01-2008, 06:14 PM
So far this week I've only read New Avengers and DCU 0.
I'm really sick of the Skrulls already. All of the background info on the Skrulls and conversations between Skrulls bores me to death. I just don't care. Hopefully the main Secret Invasion mini-series will continue to be good.
DCU #0 was fantastic, although I didn't know it was a solicit and expected something more along the lines of Countdown to Infinite Crisis to kick off the story. I'm kind of thinking that Barry will be brought back in more of a New-God-esque role, rather than as The Flash.
Dave Accampo
05-01-2008, 06:28 PM
I'm really sick of the Skrulls already. All of the background info on the Skrulls and conversations between Skrulls bores me to death. I just don't care. Hopefully the main Secret Invasion mini-series will continue to be good.
See, I think the skrull stuff, while not loud and crazy and wild, makes for a stronger story overall. I'm tired of half-assed stories where little thought is given to the motivations and actions of the villain. I respect the approach Bendis is taking. They're not just cardboard villains here. We'll get to the slam-bang action soon enough...
SmokMnky
05-01-2008, 06:45 PM
Said this on the website as well but Ron picking a book he's been hyping for weeks? Shocked I say, Shocked!
JasonTodd
05-01-2008, 06:47 PM
It's just my feelings for the Skrulls. I appreciate what Bendis is trying to do to flesh them out. I just don't find their culture/ characters/ motivations interesting IMO.
That being said I am enjoying the Secret Invasion mini so far.
horatio616
05-01-2008, 07:56 PM
Has anyone noticed that DC is bringing back dead heroes while Marvel is turning ones who've come back from the dead into Skrulls (Captain Marvel, Elektra, maybe Wonder Man)?
MastaP
05-01-2008, 10:23 PM
k, I finished New Avengers in under 2 minutes, leaving with nothing that I didn't already know, and copletly unentertained. At least it was pretty, but even then Cheung's style is definitly better suited to motion than talking heads
Dave Accampo
05-01-2008, 10:46 PM
k, I finished New Avengers in under 2 minutes, leaving with nothing that I didn't already know, and copletly unentertained. At least it was pretty, but even then Cheung's style is definitly better suited to motion than talking heads
Seriously? So, you knew that the Skrulls were clashing over science and religion? That the queen had been exiled for many years? That they held classes to teach skrull spies how to talk and live among humans? That Spider-woman may just be the Skrull Queen (and not just any ol' skrull)?
I found a lot of this stuff really interesting.
I guess it's all in what you want out of the comic. If you don't care about that stuff and just want high-octane action, then yeah, I can see being bored. But I love all the scientific stuff about how they unzipped human DNA and learned more about human, inhumans, and mutants than anyone else had yet ascertained.
paper
05-01-2008, 10:51 PM
Seriously? So, you knew that the Skrulls were clashing over science and religion? That the queen had been exiled for many years? That they held classes to teach skrull spies how to talk and live among humans? That Spider-woman may just be the Skrull Queen (and not just any ol' skrull)?
I found a lot of this stuff really interesting.
I guess it's all in what you want out of the comic. If you don't care about that stuff and just want high-octane action, then yeah, I can see being bored. But I love all the scientific stuff about how they unzipped human DNA and learned more about human, inhumans, and mutants than anyone else had yet ascertained.
Would you say that it was the....
No, I agree. It's interesting stuff. There's real depth to this event.
Dave Accampo
05-01-2008, 11:00 PM
Would you say that it was the....
Hah! That took me a minute...
Heh - I love pointed shoulders Batman.
This surprises me! See, I get the design reason for them, but my mind doesn't accept that Batman wouldn't have them if they didn't have some sort of function, which they don't.
...beyond being the worst shoulder pads ever.
Dave Accampo
05-01-2008, 11:06 PM
This surprises me! See, I get the design reason for them, but my mind doesn't accept that Batman wouldn't have them if they didn't have some sort of function, which they don't.
...beyond being the worst shoulder pads ever.
Fashion and function are a fine line in comic books...sometimes you just have to draw something cuz it looks damn cool that way...
Curious: do you see the "function" of the blue underwear over the gray tights? (sorry, couldn't resist :D)
paper
05-01-2008, 11:08 PM
One might argue that they add to his scary appearance.
I....I would not
Fashion and function are a fine line in comic books...sometimes you just have to draw something cuz it looks damn cool that way...
Curious: do you see the "function" of the blue underwear over the gray tights? (sorry, couldn't resist :D)
Function of blue underwear over gray tights: Giving that added need for support.
Function of swirly shoulder pads: Hanging up the cape?
Labor_Days
05-02-2008, 12:24 AM
The cynicism on New Avengers surprises me. I think the book is coming back around to it's pre-CW excellence.
There was a bit of speculation that SI was going to be all scorched Earth and IN YOUR FACE. But where Bendis is taking the Avengers books while keeping the main SI book action-y is a pretty smart move.
This is the stuff that makes the Skrulls a threat, that makes them scary. I believe they can win and that's part of the fright- and the fun too, natch.
horatio616
05-02-2008, 12:28 AM
Heh - I love pointed shoulders Batman.
I don't have any interior scans but I'm thinking the first pointed-shoulder Batman I ever saw was Sienkiewicz's in Batman #400. One of the best Batman covers ever, too.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a178/taintedlunch/batman400.jpg
horatio616
05-02-2008, 12:32 AM
The cynicism on New Avengers surprises me. I think the book is coming back around to it's pre-CW excellence.
There was a bit of speculation that SI was going to be all scorched Earth and IN YOUR FACE. But where Bendis is taking the Avengers books while keeping the main SI book action-y is a pretty smart move.
This is the stuff that makes the Skrulls a threat, that makes them scary. I believe they can win and that's part of the fright- and the fun too, natch.
I actually kind of liked NA. The art wasn't as much of a chore to follow as Mighty Avengers was last week. Also, at least the story has something to do with previous issues of NA, unlike MA.
For me though, the best thing I read was Daredevil.
GungaDin
05-02-2008, 02:42 AM
I had a slow day yesterday, so I read everything...
Immortal Iron Fist was probably my least favorite of my bunch this week... I haven't been feeling this story for the past few issues (since like... issue ten and that annual)... This arc was just WAY too long and meandered way too much and I just ended up not liking it... I really took David Aja's art on this way too much for granted because... I dunno... I just didn't care about way too much in this issue...
DCU 0 kinda fell flat too... I had to look at that last page a second time to get it... Otherwise it was just a really, really disjointed "Countdown to Infinite Crisis" or "Brave New World." Really cheap hyper-preview issue... Made me wanna pick up all of it... But still not... super quality.
Green Lantern this week kicked ass. 'Nuff said...
Action felt really fillery... Lots of set-up... Not much on the everything... It was good, but a real let down after the last arc.... I enjoyed it, but not as much as I did the last arc (And I really missed Gary Frank's art)
Teen Titans Year One #4 was good stuff... Not as good as the others, but still with the good arc and the great focus on Wally... Amy Wolfram should write Teen Titans instead of McKeever. I'd read that...
Ex Machina was just as good as always. I loved that last page, although it wasn't as strong a quality as a "typical" Vaughan last page... It was good, though... Also, Harris's art didn't quite feel up to the usual par...
New Avengers kicked so much ass. This is totally my pick of the week. TONS of quality... beautiful art... Great writing... GREAT twist (I totally gasped at the last page) and I love seeing the good stuff in this Secret Invasion... Like Dave said, the good stuff about this entire event is the depth and quality to it... Excellent, excellent stuff...
And now I look back, a lot of hate this week... I dunno... It felt mostly like a lackluster week that every book ('cept New Avengers) just kinda didn't completely hit... But... c'est la...
P.S. I'm totally glad I dropped Teen Titans... I picked it up yesterday, flipped through it, then put it back because I don't care... They've felt totally since around issue fifty... so... Yeah... I don't need it... Which really bums me out because I freakin loved "The Clock King" from Batman the Animated Series
Mikegraham6
05-02-2008, 11:45 AM
i read Matt Fraction's Thor one-shot and while i can appreciate a certain quality to that book, i absolutely HATED it! i guess it's my own fault, i really hate the "Lord of the Rings"-type fable storytelling style Fraction used but it makes sense in context of the character, but for me, i couldn't stand it. it's sooooo boring
Six Gun
05-02-2008, 01:53 PM
i read Matt Fraction's Thor one-shot and while i can appreciate a certain quality to that book, i absolutely HATED it! i guess it's my own fault, i really hate the "Lord of the Rings"-type fable storytelling style Fraction used but it makes sense in context of the character, but for me, i couldn't stand it. it's sooooo boring
I loooooove that type of storytelling and I can tell you that it wasn't good of that kind.
Matt Fraction is not good comics
paper
05-02-2008, 01:58 PM
Bought it on a whim. I literally brought it home expecting to read it first, saw Fraction's name on the cover, and slipped it to the bottom of the stack. Still haven't gotten to it.
Mikegraham6
05-02-2008, 01:58 PM
I loooooove that type of storytelling and I can tell you that it wasn't good of that kind.
Matt Fraction is not good comics
SIX! blasphemy! have you read the Order? i've decided i'd give Fraction the benefit of the doubt. I don't think he's an A-list writer, but he has potential.
the LOTR stuff isn't for me though, that's why i dropped Thor once Coipel left, it was going down an avenue i don't enjoy reading. It becomes more of a chore than acutal enjoyment
oh_caroline
05-02-2008, 02:04 PM
Got to comics a little late this week, so digging back in the thread --
@Luthor - I'm pretty sure the current Black Tarantula in Daredevil is the same guy who was a Spidey & DD rogue. I know some people have complained about the fact that Brubaker has written him as a street tough, when the original villain was aristocratic, with an elaborate vocabulary, etc. But I like what he's done with the character, and I think this issue did a pretty good job of exploring the connection to his old life. This plot was set up in the annual a few months back and I almost like it better than what's been happening in the main book.
@itsbecca - I do think that most of Kirkman's Ult X-men run has been retconned (but not all of it, because Hank is still back, and he was killed in the previous run, right?) I thought the Phoenix stuff was not absolutely terrible, considering, but none of this was a lot of payoff for the last 2 years of stories.
Mikegraham6
05-02-2008, 02:11 PM
Got to comics a little late this week, so digging back in the thread --
@Luthor - I'm pretty sure the current Black Tarantula in Daredevil is the same guy who was a Spidey & DD rogue. I know some people have complained about the fact that Brubaker has written him as a street tough, when the original villain was aristocratic, with an elaborate vocabulary, etc. But I like what he's done with the character, and I think this issue did a pretty good job of exploring the connection to his old life. This plot was set up in the annual a few months back and I almost like it better than what's been happening in the main book.
Nope, they aren't the same guy. This is the new one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Tarantula), he's called "Black Tarantula". (originally introduced in Amazing Spidey, but Brubaker adopted him for his Daredevil run)
The old one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarantula_%28Marvel_Comics%29) is dead.
Six Gun
05-02-2008, 02:33 PM
Bought it on a whim. I literally brought it home expecting to read it first, saw Fraction's name on the cover, and slipped it to the bottom of the stack. Still haven't gotten to it.
JMS Thor is soooooooo much better.
Six Gun
05-02-2008, 02:36 PM
I haven't read this week's but I loved the last DD Annual (speaking of that, where DD: End of Days?)
Labor_Days
05-02-2008, 02:48 PM
There was a map in Thor: Ages Of Thunder.
Have the iFanbase become so jaded that a comic book with a map in it would receive such derision?
Mikegraham6
05-02-2008, 03:25 PM
There was a map in Thor: Ages Of Thunder.
Have the iFanbase become so jaded that a comic book with a map in it would receive such derision?
any comic book (or prose novel) with a map in it usually sets off warning signals in Mike's house
paper
05-02-2008, 03:30 PM
I've figured it out. You know when people say, "I just want to shut my brain off sometimes."?
When Mike reads a comic he wants to shut off his brain and his heart.
john42
05-02-2008, 03:59 PM
DCU 0 had the best use of ads i've ever seen. or maybe the only good use of ads i've ever seen. They were well placed and got me excited about the stories. And they smoothed out the artist transitions. I also really liked how Barry's narration boxes gradually faded from black to red along with the gradual revelation of his identity. And how he was figuring out who he was along the reader. I love it when the character's thoughts line up with the reader's like that.
davegraham
05-02-2008, 04:10 PM
I don't read the series, but I saw this story and thought of the iFanboys.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7376571.stm
Helen-Bot
05-02-2008, 05:07 PM
I don't read the series, but I saw this story and thought of the iFanboys.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7376571.stm
well that's my Sunday sorted!
Six Gun
05-02-2008, 05:20 PM
any comic book (or prose novel) with a map in it usually sets off warning signals in Mike's house
Maps are usually pretty much unnecessary in a comic IMO. But a fantasy book? that's another matter.
Mikegraham6
05-02-2008, 05:46 PM
I've figured it out. You know when people say, "I just want to shut my brain off sometimes."?
When Mike reads a comic he wants to shut off his brain and his heart.
That's nice. :rolleyes:
i just don't dig on fantasy. what's so wrong with that? i tried reading LOTR 4 times and i only made it through on the fifth time because i forced myself. i hated it, that genre is not for me
horatio616
05-02-2008, 06:10 PM
That's nice. :rolleyes:
i just don't dig on fantasy. what's so wrong with that? i tried reading LOTR 4 times and i only made it trough on the fifth time because i forced myself. i hated it, that genre is not for me
So, does that CH on your pic stand for "Cold Heart?" ;)
Mikegraham6
05-02-2008, 06:12 PM
paper only thinks i have a cold heart because i disliked the Runaways and basically everything else he loves with all his heart. My collection is full of books that tug at your heartstrings. the only difference between my collection and his, is that mines good. :)
horatio616
05-02-2008, 06:13 PM
paper only thinks i have a cold heart because i disliked the Runaways and basically everything else he loves with all his heart. My collection is full of books that tug at your heartstrings. the only difference between my collection and his, is that mines good. :)
Oh snap!!!
oh_caroline
05-02-2008, 06:17 PM
This is the new one[/URL], he's called "Black Tarantula". (originally introduced in Amazing Spidey, but Brubaker adopted him for his Daredevil run)
The old one (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarantula_%28Marvel_Comics%29) is dead.
Ahh, thanks Mike!
The moral of the story is that you can never have too many tarantulas.
So which one is the guy who talked all aristocratic-like? (I know somebody who flipped their gourd when Bru had his version say 'dawg.')
paper
05-02-2008, 06:19 PM
The no heart thing stems from This American Life. He said he hated it specifically because it detailed human emotions. Rubbed me the wrong way.
Mikegraham6
05-02-2008, 06:21 PM
The no heart thing stems from This American Life. He said he hated it specifically because it detailed human emotions. Rubbed me the wrong way.
i hated TAL because it was cheesy as hell. i have no beef with emotions
paper
05-02-2008, 06:22 PM
Hockey's stupid.
paper
05-02-2008, 06:24 PM
Have we talked about the cover of NA this week? It has nothing to do with anything. Not only are those character not in the book, they're not even associated with the series. Weird.
paper
05-02-2008, 06:24 PM
A
So which one is the guy who talked all aristocratic-like? (I know somebody who flipped their gourd when Bru had his version say 'dawg.')
That's the original Tarantula, a Spider-Man villain.
Six Gun
05-02-2008, 06:30 PM
i have no beef with emotions
I got your back bro
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/Sn4ke22/ShieldWall97118.jpg
kahunablair
05-02-2008, 06:37 PM
Have we talked about the cover of NA this week? It has nothing to do with anything. Not only are those character not in the book, they're not even associated with the series. Weird.
It's the Marvel Zombie-fication we're gearing up for. Every cover is probably going to take a classic cover and change everyone to Skrulls. It won't have to do a darn thing with the story.
Mikegraham6
05-02-2008, 07:12 PM
Hockey's stupid.
Wall-E is stupid
kahunablair
05-02-2008, 07:17 PM
Wall-E is stupid
Canadiens are poopy heads!
Mikegraham6
05-02-2008, 07:20 PM
Canadiens are poopy heads!
hey now...Blair stay outta this, i don't need to take any guff from a Jersey boy
let's keep this civil (it's spelt Canadians)
Labor_Days
05-02-2008, 07:58 PM
Modz, please ban Mike G and Dave Accampo on the grounds that they are evil.
Thx.
Dave Accampo
05-02-2008, 07:59 PM
Modz, please ban Mike G and Dave Accampo on the grounds that they are evil.
Thx.
Hey, I just got here!
Dave Accampo
05-02-2008, 08:00 PM
Addendum: But I could still drop-kick that little short circuit wanna-be robot.
paper
05-02-2008, 08:01 PM
It's hilarious, the whole thing.
Who the fuck hates maps? They're both informative and aesthetically pleasing.
Mike trips cartographers.
Dave Accampo
05-02-2008, 08:02 PM
Also: I like This American Life.
Also, also: I sometimes like Fantasy books, but so many of them are just bad.
Also, also, also: I like Matt Fraction but not in an ACBG "he can really work a beard" sort of way.
:D
OK, back to comics discussion: I haven't read anything else yet.
Dave Accampo
05-02-2008, 08:03 PM
It's hilarious, the whole thing.
Who the fuck hates maps? They're both informative and aesthetically pleasing.
Mike trips cartographers.
Also(x4) - Dave likes maps. But he hasn't read Thor yet and has no judgment on its quality.
paper
05-02-2008, 08:05 PM
Yeah, I should totally read that so I can weigh in.
Dave Accampo
05-02-2008, 08:16 PM
Have we talked about the cover of NA this week? It has nothing to do with anything. Not only are those character not in the book, they're not even associated with the series. Weird.
They're taking all the old classic Avengers covers and "skrullifying" them. So, it's more of a concept piece. Everyone seemed to love the Marvel "Zombie" covers, so I'm sure this seemed like a smart idea. And it's sorta clever in a "everything you thought you knew was a lie" kinda way...
Wonder if it bugs the hell out of Ron...isn't he the one who has the thing about the covers having nothing to do with the story?
acomicbookgirl
05-02-2008, 08:17 PM
Also, also, also: I like Matt Fraction but not in an ACBG "he can really work a beard" sort of way.
:D
Ssssshhhh... Why are you saying that here?! Beard or No Beard I like Matt Fraction. He's on a roll as of late...
paper
05-02-2008, 08:26 PM
Skrullify Secret Invasion main book covers. Or...Skrullify old New Avengers covers for New Avengers, Skrullify Mighty Avengers covers for Mighty Avengers. Does this makes sense? What does the Hulk have to do with NA?
Labor_Days
05-02-2008, 08:29 PM
I'm trying to be more pro-active against evil, Dave.
Dave Accampo
05-02-2008, 08:39 PM
Skrullify Secret Invasion main book covers. Or...Skrullify old New Avengers covers for New Avengers, Skrullify Mighty Avengers covers for Mighty Avengers. Does this makes sense? What does the Hulk have to do with NA?
yeah, that might have made it clearer. But they're going back to early Avengers covers (thus the Hulk) to show that...well, I guess we don't know how long the Skrulls have been infiltrating us. So, I get it.
Labor_Days
05-02-2008, 09:19 PM
Blue Beetle was tons of fun this week. I might start picking this up monthly.
Mikegraham6
05-02-2008, 09:22 PM
Modz, please ban Mike G and Dave Accampo on the grounds that they are evil.
Thx.
I just managed to pick up the lastest issue of Hellblazer today. It was awesome, Josh was right in making it the POW.
Also, the demon in that book declares that Maps are the spawn of satan
kahunablair
05-02-2008, 09:33 PM
Blue Beetle was tons of fun this week. I might start picking this up monthly.
Welcome to the fold, sir. Welcome.
jmstump
05-02-2008, 10:45 PM
Hey everyone!
I just finished my books for the week and I got my first review of the batch up. I know the last couple weeks I haven't been writing a crap ton of reviews, but unemployment and traveling on top of that will really cock block your incentives for writing. Anyways here's the first shameless plug of hopefully a couple more reviews.
Action Comics #864 (http://ifanboy.com/reviews/jstump/dc_comics/action_comics/864)
Dave Accampo
05-02-2008, 11:00 PM
Welcome to the fold, sir. Welcome.
i've been seriously considering picking this up. Is it worth starting with the first few trades? I had both in my hand the other day... And the current issue looked like fun...
Mikegraham6
05-03-2008, 12:16 AM
i finally finished all my comics and i saved the last issue of The Order for last. Such a shame this book is done but it went out with a bang. It was a great finish and i felt it deserved a review on the iFanboy site proper.
Here it is (http://www.ifanboy.com/reviews/mikegraham6/marvel_comics/order/10)
Six Gun
05-03-2008, 12:17 AM
So Matt Fraction still sucks. But somebody wrote the hell out of The Immortal Iron Fist this week (I think it was really just Brubaker on this issue ;))
Probably my POW
Mikegraham6
05-03-2008, 12:20 AM
im disappointed this issue of Jack of Fables didn't have the heart that been such a stable in this series. the only highlight was the epilogue starring Blue the Ox
Mikegraham6
05-03-2008, 12:21 AM
So Matt Fraction still sucks. But somebody wrote the hell out of The Immortal Iron Fist this week (I think it was really just Brubaker on this issue ;))
Probably my POW
The Order! ORDER!!!!
Of course Iron Fist was good this week! this was the first issue since i dropped the title! just my luck
Dave Accampo
05-03-2008, 04:22 AM
Well, I read the Thor one-shot so I could comment.
It was actually not too bad. I assume the stories were somewhat derived from actual norse tales of Thor, and they read that way in terms of structure. So it does oddly end up being two short tales in which Thor comes in at the end and barrels through. Fraction takes this and makes it about Thor in the very end. I assume this is what eventually leads to him getting tied to Donald Blake (to teach him humility or somesuch).
My biggest beef with the story is that while Fraction's pretty good, he doesn't quite have the voice down. He attempts these tales in a real mythological/fairy tale storyteller voice, and it rings false in certain areas. I won't nitpick, but even in the first few pages there are phrases that could pretty easily be re-worded to flow better in that style.
I think Fraction flirts with brilliance in a few places, but he's still not really come into his own in terms of narrative voice and style yet.
kwok_talk
05-03-2008, 02:37 PM
The Order! ORDER!!!!
Of course Iron Fist was good this week! this was the first issue since i dropped the title! just my luck
Actually, I thought it wasn't all that great. No Aja to be seen either this issue. It's really on the chopping block for me.
HomeTeam790
05-03-2008, 03:27 PM
i've been seriously considering picking this up. Is it worth starting with the first few trades? I had both in my hand the other day... And the current issue looked like fun...
You may not like the early issues, but after that it really picks up, especially once writer John Rogers goes solo.
Labor_Days
05-03-2008, 03:56 PM
i've been seriously considering picking this up. Is it worth starting with the first few trades? I had both in my hand the other day... And the current issue looked like fun...
Yeah, the first few issues of Blue Beetle were rough in transitioning to the new Blue Beetle persona. Jamie is incredibly likable though and if you enjoyed him in other books- he's basically the same dude in his own book.
A teenager getting superpowers is such a hard concept to screw up. Classic formula for good comics.
Also, the book is funny. An actual funny book, if you will.
superfriend82
05-03-2008, 07:18 PM
Geoff Johns sure can write GL even if this was mainly the green lantern origin story again.He really adds more the the Hal and Carol. I wish geoff could stay on GL for ever.
Teen Titans was good i really like this terror Titans stuff.
Ultimate X- men was just so so to me. I really don't like Harvey Tolibao art that much.
I think Iron fist might back. I hope this new ark will be much better then last.If it is't i am going to drop it after the new team comes in.
New Avengers amazing i really like how thing are being set up. i end great always thoghr Spier women was a skull but i did't think it was going to the queen. This is really a big thing once thing start going.
DCU O was good for the whole seting up stand point.
CammyKnoxville
05-03-2008, 10:38 PM
My comic shop wasn't participating in Free Comic Book Day. :(
I'm pretty sure my old shop is, but it would be awkward.
Dave Accampo
05-04-2008, 01:44 AM
So Matt Fraction still sucks. But somebody wrote the hell out of The Immortal Iron Fist this week (I think it was really just Brubaker on this issue ;))
Probably my POW
Brubaker's pretty much said that Fraction's doing all the heavy lifting on Iron Fist.
So... you gotta credit Fraction.
Six Gun
05-04-2008, 01:28 PM
Brubaker's pretty much said that Fraction's doing all the heavy lifting on Iron Fist.
So... you gotta credit Fraction.
Yeah, I know. I'm just being facetious ;)
So DCU #0 pretty much rocked. However I'm a little confused about the art. George Perez, Ivan Reis, Ed Benes, Phillip Tan and Aaron Lopresti's pages were pretty obvious, but who did what else? I'm pretty sure Tony Daniel did the Batman pages, but if it was indeed him then he really phoned it in.
Also, this Phillip Tan guy? He's got some chops. He's very much in the Image (90's) school, but I think that his stuff actually has some real merit to it and I'm looking forward to seeing him paired with Rucka.
Dave Accampo
05-05-2008, 05:27 PM
I'm gonna have to give Local #11 PotW honors this week.
Honestly? Lots of decent comics but nothing that was just phenonmenal this week.
A few other things I read:
Iron Fist - I liked it. Good ending. Miss Aja's art, but this wasn't so bad.
Daredevil: Blood of the Tarantula - not bad, like the concept, felt a little "standard filler" to me. Didn't wow me in any way.
Black Summer - I actually liked this one quite a bit. The back story told over the course of the issue's destruction was pretty interesting -- added a new dimension to the story. Looking forward to the conclusion now.
Ex Machina - Always well-written, but nothing really wowed me here. It's ramping up a new story, so it might get better, but the start of this storyline was just kinda "meh" for me.
The Order - Honestly, it was an OK ending, a satisfying ending, but I guess I was hoping for more. Felt slightly anti-climactic as a single issue end to the storyline.
Ultimate Human - I like Ellis running amok in the ultimate universe, but in the end, this just feels slight. Nothing BAD I can really say about it. Just didn't wow me. Huh...that seems to be a theme on this list. Maybe I'm just jaded this week.
X-men Legacy - OK, I continue to like this book more than I should. It's interesting, and I really don't know where it's going. I like that. I also think Xavier's an interesting character, but no one usually knows what to do with him. So I'm fascinated by a book that stars him. I think I may keep reading...
kwok_talk
05-05-2008, 06:04 PM
X-men Legacy - OK, I continue to like this book more than I should. It's interesting, and I really don't know where it's going. I like that. I also think Xavier's an interesting character, but no one usually knows what to do with him. So I'm fascinated by a book that stars him. I think I may keep reading...
I totally feel the same way. I'm rarely excited to read the book, but after each issue, I've liked it more than I thought I would have. I think it's funny how it's rehashing the past, but I think Carey is doing is somehow in a way that makes it relevant to the current story. I keep wondering how long this will work, but so far I've been surprised.
Ruo21
05-05-2008, 06:06 PM
Thor: Ages of Thunder- Great story and I loved the atmosphere that the book created. This is the first Thor story I have ever read and I really enjoyed the mythological fantasy vibe. My POTW.
DC Universe Zero- Theres been talk that this may have been confusing for people whom aren't familiar with the DCU... well it was. Don't get me wrong I did enjoy it, but a lot of the main points fell on deaf ears. I understand that The Flash( dont even know what version) is at the end, but I'm not sure what this means.
Green Lantern- Great, to short, need more, can't wait.
New Avengers- I'm not sure if I liked the comic or if I like the use of more skrulls. Either way I like this alot.
Mikegraham6
05-05-2008, 06:15 PM
Dave, your crazy, the Order was amazing. Phenomenal ending to the series. the only complaint was that it felt a bit rushed to fit in the final issue. Ezekiel Stane is a badass threat (his scene with tony was creepy and you know he's going to be causing his stryfe down the road)
Dave Accampo
05-05-2008, 06:23 PM
Dave, your crazy, the Order was amazing. Phenomenal ending to the series. the only complaint was that it felt a bit rushed to fit in the final issue. Ezekiel Stane is a badass threat (his scene with tony was creepy and you know he's going to be causing his stryfe down the road)
Well, like I said -- it was satisfying, but I think I was hoping for something a little bigger. Yeah, it does nicely set up Fraction's new series.
Full disclosure: I was reading this with my girlfriend after seeing the Iron Man movie. She asked what I was reading, and I told her about it, then ended up reading it with her. And when you do that, you see the story a bit differently. I was looking at it more as a single issue, and I wanted that big, final movie moment that didn't quiiiiite happen.
Mikegraham6
05-05-2008, 06:29 PM
the scene with Anthem and Mullholland wasn't enough for you? i thought that was really well handled
Dave Accampo
05-05-2008, 06:34 PM
the scene with Anthem and Mullholland wasn't enough for you? i thought that was really well handled
I liked it, but...it just felt slightly rushed to me. I dunno. I wanted to "feel" that scene just a little more. Maybe I was just in a mood when reading comics this week. :)
Mikegraham6
05-05-2008, 06:42 PM
no, you're right, it did feel rushed, but i guess i forgave it a bit more since it was the last issue and those things tend to happen. It got a 5 out of 5 for the story in my review. the weakest part for me was the art. it was a huge letdown after the amazing kitson stuff (it got a 2 out of 5 for the art)