Iron Man 2 - Spoiler

[mrhaines]

Ok so we have all seen the end of Iron Man and know about an upcoming Avengers movie. And I am probably the last guy to figure this out, but skimming Robert Downey Jr.'s IMDB file, I see he is going to be in the upcoming Hulk movie. Looks like they are creating stand alone movies of avenger characters before the release of the Avengers movie.

The cool thing about this is that it will be the original actors for the Avengers movie. Better than the Justice League route of choosing a new actor for Superman.

[lavahot]

Well, I wasn't too happy about the last superman to be honest. I wonder what the extent of Iron Man's involvement will be in HULK.

[gabe_utsecks]

I think the Avengers group in the upcoming film should be small:

Iron Man
Captain America
Hulk
Ant-man (who I really want to be played by Simon Pegg) and Wasp
Thor

All of the members of the Avengers who will not have their own stand-alone film before the release of The Avengers movie (Black Panther, Hawkeye, Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Valkyrie, et cetera) are unnecessary and would just be clutter.

By the way, what the hell are they going to team up to fight? I just hope it's not aliens.

[shegs]

the KRULL!

(seeing as I am not into comics I hope I got that right...)

[poltah]

Unless they go with the Ultimates version of Thor, I really don't see him working. I don't think it'll work to mix magic into this movie. To me, it could work because all the heroes are somewhat tech/science based, and that's "easy" to digest/accept as a viewer. But if there's magic? I don't think that'll work.

[lavahot]

Unless they go with the Ultimates version of Thor, I really don't see him working. I don't think it'll work to mix magic into this movie. To me, it could work because all the heroes are somewhat tech/science based, and that's "easy" to digest/accept as a viewer. But if there's magic? I don't think that'll work.

They went with Ultimate Nick Fury didn't they? You don't think an American audience can accept magic? Is this the same America we're talking about? The one where we're all going to hell for beating up virtual hookers?

[ghostbeezy]

It's a small cameo, remember.. Ironman had http://www.iconusa4.com/online/Images/Bowen_Images/mini_busts/Hulkbuster_IronMan_mb1.jpg
Hulkbuster armor, 1.
2. Hulk was an avenger.

It's a cameo, because Marvel is going to a concurrent world. Where all comics exist in the same time. Where Hulk exists where Iron Man exists, where Captian America exists. becuase in reality they all run at the same time. It's the first real evolution where, Marvel controls their movie 100%. So they're showing, the concurrent nature of the world.

I think it's a great idea.

[darknessgp]

Unless they go with the Ultimates version of Thor, I really don't see him working. I don't think it'll work to mix magic into this movie. To me, it could work because all the heroes are somewhat tech/science based, and that's "easy" to digest/accept as a viewer. But if there's magic? I don't think that'll work.

Well, Thor is getting his own movie so, it seems they are including him. Do you have something against him? He was in the cartoon Avenger movies and it worked well.

Ant-man and Wasp... Does anyone really care about them? I don't believe they are getting their own movies, and honestly I hope they aren't in the Avenger movie.

[rokov]

Since Ant-man and Wasp aren't nearly as well known as the other Avengers, I'm thinking that, if they're included, they'll probably be introduced in the Avengers movie.

[az0madman]

Ant-man and Wasp... Does anyone really care about them? I don't believe they are getting their own movies, and honestly I hope they aren't in the Avenger movie.

I only want the Ant-man movie because Edgar Wright's suppose to be directing and I love his stuff. Hell, not being a comic book guy, I didn't even know there was an Ant-man.

I'm thinking Stark's cameo is going to involve the government turning to Stark for help but he'll refuse or he'll be too busy or something. Not expecting very much. It'd be cool if he showed up in the Hulkbuster suit, but his role would have to be a lot bigger.

Hopefully the rest of the Marvel movies will be top quality as Iron Man, though I'm still a little iffy on the Hulk.

[digital2d]

It's a cameo, because Marvel is going to a concurrent world. Where all comics exist in the same time. Where Hulk exists where Iron Man exists, where Captian America exists. becuase in reality they all run at the same time. It's the first real evolution where, Marvel controls their movie 100%. So they're showing, the concurrent nature of the world.

I think it's a great idea.
agree..
These movies would be so much better if they can bring together there heroes for team movies...or at least show that there in a world together.
Would love for there to be a non Avenger character to show up in the background or something..like Hulk smashing up the city and you see spider man swinging around in the back..something like that

[eddielee]

the KRULL!

(seeing as I am not into comics I hope I got that right...)

You mean the Skrulls?

[skin87]

It'd be epic if Marvel's movies keep succeeding to a point where they have introduced enough characters and background to do a Civil War movie.

[shegs]

You mean the Skrulls?

yeah that makes better sense...
I dont read comics... so i wasnt sure

[yssman]

The only way they're going to be able to bring "regular people" in on the Avengers movie is if they use easily identifiable characters that are well-known and well-loved. That likely means they need to go with a "New Avengers" setup, complete with not just Iron Man and Hulk, but also Spider-Man, Wolverine, Thor and Captain America. At least that way they'll have a lineup worthy of dueling against the JLA movie.

Oh, and meethinks the "Hulkbuster" armor is a possiblity... But probably won't happen. It seems more likely that the DoD would task Stark with creating some kind of weapon to catch (but not kill) Hulk.

We'll see.

[scoobydiesel]

I dont see Spider man in the averngers movie.

I hope they make it like the ultimates, i digg that thor alot :D

[poltah]

They went with Ultimate Nick Fury didn't they? You don't think an American audience can accept magic? Is this the same America we're talking about? The one where we're all going to hell for beating up virtual hookers?

Where in that thread did I say that an AMERICAN audience can't accept magic?

I said that I don't think PEOPLE (you know, that includes people in America, Europe, all of the world), would accept a magic in that universe the movies takes place in. BECAUSE all of the other heroes are tech/science based. That's something people can accept, they go "Oh well, they've invented stuff, makes sense. They have very advanced technology in that universe."

Or they would accept "It's like our world, but there's magic".

People (you know, all around the world), tend not to accept two kinds of "supernaturals" or whatever you want to call it. If there's both really advanced science AND magic in the world, it's hard to make it believable and will turn a lot of people off.

Of course it COULD work, I'm just saying that it's so much harder to make the movie believable, to make people suspend their disbelief, if you put both magic Thor and tech Iron Man in the movie.

[esophagus]

Since Ant-man and Wasp aren't nearly as well known as the other Avengers, I'm thinking that, if they're included, they'll probably be introduced in the Avengers movie.Marvel has actually already announced all of their movies.

Iron Man (Which we just saw)
The Incredible Hulk (Which we will see soon)
Iron-Man 2
Captain America
Thor
Ant-Man
The Avengers

Except Ant-Man might come before Thor, I don't remember.

[esophagus]

It's a small cameo, remember.. Ironman had

1. Hulkbuster armor
2. Hulk was an avenger.

It's a cameo, because Marvel is going to a concurrent world. Where all comics exist in the same time. Where Hulk exists where Iron Man exists, where Captian America exists. becuase in reality they all run at the same time. It's the first real evolution where, Marvel controls their movie 100%. So they're showing, the concurrent nature of the world.

I think it's a great idea.Re: Marvel Continuity in Film
It excites the hell out of me, as well. This shows Marvel taking the first step towards, possibly, overtaking DC as the "good" comic movie company. Something that has never happened before.

Re: Hulk
I am pretty sure he isn't actually in the Hulkbuster armor. Don't quote me on that, though.

[esophagus]

Where in that thread did I say that an AMERICAN audience can't accept magic?

I said that I don't think PEOPLE (you know, that includes people in America, Europe, all of the world), would accept a magic in that universe the movies takes place in. BECAUSE all of the other heroes are tech/science based. That's something people can accept, they go "Oh well, they've invented stuff, makes sense. They have very advanced technology in that universe."

Or they would accept "It's like our world, but there's magic".

People (you know, all around the world), tend not to accept two kinds of "supernaturals" or whatever you want to call it. If there's both really advanced science AND magic in the world, it's hard to make it believable and will turn a lot of people off.

Of course it COULD work, I'm just saying that it's so much harder to make the movie believable, to make people suspend their disbelief, if you put both magic Thor and tech Iron Man in the movie.I'm not sure I actually understand the logic behind this. Do you have an example of this happening?

On a slightly related "America" note, Marvel wasn't actually sure they wanted to make a Captain America movie because they weren't sure people in other countries would go see it. So, now we have movies titled "Iron Man", "The Incredible Hulk", "Ant-Man", and "Thor", but Captain America is titled "The First Avenger: Captain America" with the latter part downplayed.

[poltah]

I can't remember any examples, but they talk about it in some screenwriting books. All of them have different names for it. "Two magics", "the double mumbo-jumbo" stuff like that. It's basically when you put two big, and different, concepts in a movie that you want the audience to accept.

Of course it CAN work, I'm not saying it can't. I'm just saying that it makes it that much harder to make your world believable.

[esophagus]

I can't remember any examples, but they talk about it in some screenwriting books. All of them have different names for it. "Two magics", "the double mumbo-jumbo" stuff like that. It's basically when you put two big, and different, concepts in a movie that you want the audience to accept.

Of course it CAN work, I'm not saying it can't. I'm just saying that it makes it that much harder to make your world believable.Hmm... Okay. I reaaaaally disagree. And I will cite Star Wars. ;)

[poltah]

Hmm... Okay. I reaaaaally disagree. And I will cite Star Wars. ;)

Star Wars made it work, due to a lot of stuff. Biggest factor is that it's not our own universe, it's not on our planet. And they made their own thing, called the force. They didn't call the jedis wizards.

[esophagus]

Star Wars made it work, due to a lot of stuff. Biggest factor is that it's not our own universe, it's not on our planet. And they made their own thing, called the force. They didn't call the jedis wizards.
No one calls Thor a wizard. He is a god, which is something most people seem to have no trouble believing in. We'll have to wait and see, I guess.

[gi_josh]

No one calls Thor a wizard. He is a god, which is something most people seem to have no trouble believing in. We'll have to wait and see, I guess.

Not sure if you guys have read the Ultimates, but they played a real world Thor really well there. He claimed to be a God of Thunder, but most people thought he was crazy, so the general populace didn't really believe his claims. Kinda like the band Valient Thor says they are from a different planet, no one really thinks its true.

In the Ultimates Thor is portrayed as a kinda hippie that has a ton of followers, who follow him because he claims to be a God. Of course the average populace would be skeptical, and I think this treatment would work great for a Thor movie.

[poltah]

No one calls Thor a wizard. He is a god, which is something most people seem to have no trouble believing in. We'll have to wait and see, I guess.

I'm not sure why you write this. I didn't claim anybody called Thor a wizard?