Windows is the best!

[alexisthebest]

I love Windows. Thank you Microsoft.

[darknessgp]

You are a douche. Seriously, I'm a windows user, and even I know it has massive flaws and sucks sometimes. Dude, don't be a douche like some of the Mac and Linux people I know that think their OS has no flaws. seriously, get off the crack.

[wastern]

You are a douche. Seriously, I'm a windows user, and even I know it has massive flaws and sucks sometimes. Dude, don't be a douche like some of the Mac and Linux people I know that think their OS has no flaws. seriously, get off the crack.

he posted the same thing in another area of the forum, he is just a kid trying to get a rise out of people and succeeded with you

[pamich]

Don't feed the troll.

[alexisthebest]

lol, sorry guys. I guess there is no windows fans here. Just wanted to see who agrees with me. I like windows. )

[_sorrow_]

Tell you what, explain why you like windows, and i won't dismiss your thread as a waste of time / space. While your at it, you should also explain what makes it superior to the other operating systems out there. :)

[alexisthebest]

Windows has its drawbacks. It is not safe. I did try Linux, It had for about 2 months. I did not get how to install stuff. No Games. I felt very alienated from it.

Windows is good for gaming. The office on Windows is better. Lot of 3rd Party(Not Open Source) companies write software for it. Due to its market share.

I guess I lose. No one agrees with me.

[striker1211]

I agree. When it comes to ease of use windows wins. Sure you have to know not to downoad all the exes you see and not use ie, but after that it's safe...r.... i tried linux for a week. I installed WINe in the first day because it drove me insane not having my apps. Wine made everything ugly though... linux is a nerd dreams, and its configurable as hell. However it's almost too configurable. The only thing that is constant is the kernel and everything else varies so much its hard to find help across distros. I do love the way linux handles processes though.

[pamich]

Windows is good for gaming. The office on Windows is better. Lot of 3rd Party(Not Open Source) companies write software for it. Due to its market share.

I'm going to argue with you just for the hell of it.

Windows is not better for gaming, there just happen to be games to play availible for it.

You'll have to explain how its office suites are better. NeoOffice works just fine.

There's lots of software because it's popular. Popular != good.

[sevver]

Personally, I am a longtime Windows user, and I feel that it sucks in every way. It is really user friendly, easy to use, and easy to look at, yet, for those reasons I also think it adds to is suckiness.

I have tried Mac a few times, and I have to admit that it is not hard to get used to. I may get one next. And as for Linux, I wish I had time for it, but it is just too much of a hassle to get everything working, and plus installing programs eludes me too.

[mistergrimm]

I'm only into Window's simplistic GUI...I despise Apples because it looks and is complicated (I'm a n00b to Mac which is why) same goes to Linux. The only few things I really hate about Windows is that one its Start Menu is dependable on a Shell file which is the same name of the their Internet Browser (Internet Explorer, explorer.exe for short) my problem with that file will be explained in another thread. The others being ,well same reasons everybody else hates it for.

[jdhore]

well...i've used all 3 major OS's (many flavors of Windows, many flavors of Linux and OS X) so i can easily say i have experience withe every OS...Each one has it's good sides and it's bad sides...but some of the stuff is different between OS's...for example, i find apt-get and Synaptic Package Manager on Debian-based distros of Linux to be easier to use to install apps...to install ALL of KDE, all you have to type in a terminal is "apt-get install kde" and it'll automatically download and install all the KDE packages for you...easier than Windows IMO...but he's my quick roundup of all the major OS's and what they're best at/good for. (i apologize that i'm not including all distros of Linux, but i don't want this to become a 500 line post).

Windows- Pros- Easy to use, requires very little config on the users part to get working, good for gaming, good for inexperienced computer people. Cons- Slow, buggy, proprietary, unstable and just generally, Microsoft, EXPENSIVE.

Linux- Pros- Very fast, works on any hardware, open-source, becoming easier to use every day, apt-get, Ubuntu, can run a good majority of Windows apps, has A LOT of stuff built-in, apt-get, incredibly powerful, many different WM's, beautiful-looking if you install Compiz/XGL/Beryl (and cool effects), a lot harder to break the OS than Windows, no spyware, very few viruses, any bugs in the OS (rare) are fixed quite quickly, a lot of Linux Live CD's available, free. Cons- a bit of a learning curve, not as "pretty/preschoolish" a interface as Windows has, sometimes requires manual editing of config files to get the GUI/X working, doesn't work with ALL Windows apps.

OS X- Pros- Easy to use, beautiful interface, fast, easy to install apps, requires very little config file editing, running on the stable, spyware/virus free Unix core. Cons- Sucktacular for gaming, bad support for Windows apps (without full OS emulation), not many free apps available, only works on Apple hardware (unless you get a copy of OSx86 which is basically illegal), viruses becoming more prevalent, most of the Unix core is "hidden" behind pretty graphics.


I think that's about it...i hope you guys get a bit of understanding about the 3 major OS's from this post

[jdhore]

The only few things I really hate about Windows is that one its Start Menu is dependable on a Shell file which is the same name of the their Internet Browser (Internet Explorer, explorer.exe for short)

umm...no...the Windows shell is called explorer.exe and Internet Explorer is called iexplore.exe

[jdhore]

sorry to triple post...my favorite OS is probably Linux by far...there's a lot more you can do with it than Windows and it's a lot more extensible, when i want an OS that just works albeit shittily, but i don't have to do anything with it, i use Windows...i use OSx just when i want to experience the sexiness of OS X.

[pamich]

I despise Apples because it looks and is complicated (I'm a n00b to Mac which is why) same goes to Linux.

MacOS complicated? I fail to see how.

[mistergrimm]

Well they should've atleast called it "winshell.exe" or something else...would've made more sense...kinda stupid to call it almost as if its an IE.exe file....hey i'm too tired to make corrections to how a file is named....leave me alone

[_sorrow_]

Nice analogy JD; and i agree with you for the most part. I've spent most of my computer time on windows, but i've been playing around with linux for the past 2 years or so; but i can't say anything about OS-X.

I like linux a lot: the fact that its not M$, how its extremely customizable, and i can definitely understand your love of apt-get... Mandriva now has something similar, but i must admit that its lacking by comparison.

One thing i have to disagree with is that for "all hardware" is supported. Sure, pretty much everything is or can be supported, but it can be such hell to get it working properly that it hardly counts if you ask me. Also, i dare say that its more "breakable" than windows because of how customizable it is...
On more than one occasion i've changed this or that setting, and been dropped at a command line because of kernel conflicts.. But every time i've messed up windows, its taken considerable more effort to cause that much trouble. Windows also holds your hand a lot more to prevent this from happening though... :cool:

Regarding games, theoretically they are supported via either Cedega or Wine, which are designed to allow windows apps to run in linux, but they tend to be buggy and hard to configure properly.. But i have no experience in that myself, because i run a dual boot, so if i want to game, i'll boot into windows :rolleyes:

[fnm]

And as for Linux, I wish I had time for it, but it is just too much of a hassle to get everything working, and plus installing programs eludes me too.

Is "apt-get install firefox" really that difficult?

As for Linux being a hassle to install, I completely disagree. Most hardware works out of the box on Linux. If it doesn't, it probably isn't supported. Windows isn't exactly a cake walk to get running either. Have you ever actually installed Windows, and hunted around on the web for old printer or sound card drivers? I'll choose to install Linux over Windows any day of the week.

[alexisthebest]

I use Windows everyday. On my computer its never unstable. It doesn't crash. Why is this a problem for some people?

wow. Thats a lot of people replying to this post.

[jdhore]

Nice analogy JD; and i agree with you for the most part. I've spent most of my computer time on windows, but i've been playing around with linux for the past 2 years or so; but i can't say anything about OS-X.

I like linux a lot: the fact that its not M$, how its extremely customizable, and i can definitely understand your love of apt-get... Mandriva now has something similar, but i must admit that its lacking by comparison.

One thing i have to disagree with is that for "all hardware" is supported. Sure, pretty much everything is or can be supported, but it can be such hell to get it working properly that it hardly counts if you ask me. Also, i dare say that its more "breakable" than windows because of how customizable it is...
On more than one occasion i've changed this or that setting, and been dropped at a command line because of kernel conflicts.. But every time i've messed up windows, its taken considerable more effort to cause that much trouble. Windows also holds your hand a lot more to prevent this from happening though... :cool:

Regarding games, theoretically they are supported via either Cedega or Wine, which are designed to allow windows apps to run in linux, but they tend to be buggy and hard to configure properly.. But i have no experience in that myself, because i run a dual boot, so if i want to game, i'll boot into windows :rolleyes:

on the hardware issue, the only hardware i've EVER had an issue with on Linux was wifi, but wifi was always known to be a *****...also, i didn't completely plan to use the card(s) i have on Linux so i didn't plan on getting extremely Linux-friendly cards.

Very true on the having problems statement, but with Windows, it takes a reinstall to fix A LOT of problems Windows can have, with Linux, if you know what you're doing in CLI, you can fix pretty much any problem without reinstalling the whole OS...also, if you don't do a lot of stuff as root, it's hard to **** up your Linux install.

i've had pretty much no problems with gaming in Cedega/Wine personally, but i agree with you, i dual-boot so if i want to game, i'll drop back into XP.

All in all, it's good to hear from a Linux user who shares quite a few of the same ideas i have about it.

[jdhore]

Is "apt-get install firefox" really that difficult?

As for Linux being a hassle to install, I completely disagree. Most hardware works out of the box on Linux. If it doesn't, it probably isn't supported. Windows isn't exactly a cake walk to get running either. Have you ever actually installed Windows, and hunted around on the web for old printer or sound card drivers? I'll choose to install Linux over Windows any day of the week.

good points...maybe Sevver was never using a Debian-based distro though...and you are correct, Linux can be easier to install than Windows sometimes, but as my and Sorrow said, Linux doesn't work out of box with EVERYTHING...it works a lot better with old stuff though too...

[jdhore]

I use Windows everyday. On my computer its never unstable. It doesn't crash. Why is this a problem for some people?

wow. Thats a lot of people replying to this post.

that's weird...but if all you do is surf the web and you haven't installed any apps since you first got the computer, it MIGHT not have any problems...and Windows is less stable than Linux thanks to this personal statistic: Any Windows box i have: never up for more than 7 days straight...EVER my FreeBSD Server box- Currently up for over 140 days and still counting/ticking...thank you, have a nice day, next question.

[_sorrow_]

I use Windows everyday. On my computer its never unstable. It doesn't crash. Why is this a problem for some people?

wow. Thats a lot of people replying to this post.
hahah, yeah, this thread has kind of blown up, eh? :)

Regarding windows not crashing, what kind of stuff do you do with your machine? I mean (as JD said), if you're only using it for surfing the net and email, then sure, it should be fine. But, if you're using it write software or drivers, tweak the registry to your hearts content, and do graphic design, then you'll probably have a lot more problems with it crashing then the 'average joe' thats surfing the web.

on the hardware issue, the only hardware i've EVER had an issue with on Linux was wifi, but wifi was always known to be a *****...also, i didn't completely plan to use the card(s) i have on Linux so i didn't plan on getting extremely Linux-friendly cards.

Very true on the having problems statement, but with Windows, it takes a reinstall to fix A LOT of problems Windows can have, with Linux, if you know what you're doing in CLI, you can fix pretty much any problem without reinstalling the whole OS...also, if you don't do a lot of stuff as root, it's hard to **** up your Linux install.

i've had pretty much no problems with gaming in Cedega/Wine personally, but i agree with you, i dual-boot so if i want to game, i'll drop back into XP.

All in all, it's good to hear from a Linux user who shares quite a few of the same ideas i have about it.

Yeah, last time i was using [Debian] linux consistently, i was logged in as root pretty often. Definitely a bad habit that i need to get out of, and so far i've been good with Mandriva :D And i'll admit that most of my hardware problems have been due to specific problems with my laptop: broadcom wireless card, and ATI graphics :cool:

Also a great point about windows; once its messed up, its more likely than not that you'll be reinstalling in the near future (and then updating for 2 hours after the installation process!)

[alexisthebest]

True, High End stuff and windows doesn't go together. Yeah, I may be an avg. user. I do know more than the average.

[jdhore]

Yeah, last time i was using [Debian] linux consistently, i was logged in as root pretty often. Definitely a bad habit that i need to get out of, and so far i've been good with Mandriva :D And i'll admit that most of my hardware problems have been due to specific problems with my laptop: broadcom wireless card, and ATI graphics :cool:

Also a great point about windows; once its messed up, its more likely than not that you'll be reinstalling in the near future (and then updating for 2 hours after the installation process!)

Yeah, i go in as root a lot...i set myself up as a sudoer though (not sudo by default in Debian) so i'm having to use root less and less...i hate that you can't apt-get or ifconfig without root though...ahh...yeah, you really got screwed on Linux compatible hardware with that thar Broadcom wifi and that ATI GFX. Most of my systems work pretty much flawlessly with Linux :)

And is that really a GOOD thing about Windows?...i prefer an OS that stays clean that i don't have to reinstall the OS every 6 months to keep it clean.

[lordfoul]

I use a Nautilus script to auto sudo to terminal in Ubuntu called xsu-terminal-here
(http://g-scripts.sourceforge.net/cat-executing.php#terminal)

[frodo1]

i also thing windows is great (compared to mac os anyway) once you strip off all the crap with nlite...

[jdhore]

i also thing windows is great (compared to mac os anyway) once you strip off all the crap with nlite...

see, that's the thing, you shouldn't HAVE to strip that crap out with nLite...it should give you the option on setup to remove it like the Windows 3.1, 95 and 98 setups did

[noonebutme]

see, that's the thing, you shouldn't HAVE to strip that crap out with nLite...it should give you the option on setup to remove it like the Windows 3.1, 95 and 98 setups did
it does. http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/sa/benefits/winpe.mspx

[hurt911gen]

I actually don't mind windows because I got 2000 Pro for free (thank you Morpheus 5!!!) and it took me and hour or so to get a key. I used it to play Doom 3 and HL2 when they came out. but there no ****ing way I'm paying more than a couple of bucks for windows, especially when ****ing like redhat debian book+CD is out there.

[ArmpitOfDeath]

True, High End stuff and windows doesn't go together. Yeah, I may be an avg. user. I do know more than the average.

Depends on what you call high end. I use Mac and Windows - and OS X is a nice toy for me, but it doesn't go beyond that. Windows has more than its fair share of faults but it does what I want it to do almost all the time. I think I'm a pretty high-end user.

[phatlip12]

A picture is worth 1000 words...

http://static.blogo.it/melablog/pcvsmaccar.jpg

[masherscf]

A picture is worth 1000 words...


Shut your pie-hole, MAC-whore! :P

[phatlip12]

Shut your pie-hole, MAC-whore! :P

Haha, I knew you wold be the first to comment on that one. :D

[jdhore]

Haha, I knew you wold be the first to comment on that one. :D

Linux > Mac > Windows

[ArmpitOfDeath]

A picture is worth 1000 words...

http://static.blogo.it/melablog/pcvsmaccar.jpg

More accurately...

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/2996/drivingus9.jpg

Apples are fun toys, but I feel on balance that (apart from the UNIX leets) they are really for people who can't be trusted around Windows PC's. I've been an Intel Mac owner for 8 months now, and while I enjoy OS X, I don't find it superior to Windows in terms of what I can do with a computer. Quite the opposite in fact.

[phatlip12]

I see it as this:

I want what works best. I don't see how its any different when it comes to computers. Do I know how to use Windows? Do I consider myself an adanced user? Yes.

Now lets look at it in a different way:

Lets say I am an auto mechanic. I have an older car that runs good but needs alot of attnetion and care to ensure it does. I have the option of getting a new car that works just as well (or better) without always having to fix stuff all the time as I did on my old car. I want the new car....

Windows is alright but it has too many problems. Linux works great but is more difficult to use out of Windows and OSX (its the middle man IMO). OS X works great and has the best looking UI out of both Windows and ANY Linux disto I have came by.

[ArmpitOfDeath]

There's a the eye candy of course but all that doesn't always make a lot of difference when you're browsing or actually doing stuff on your computer as opposed to being busy showing other people how cool your computer is ;)

I have a number of virtually trouble-free Windows machines which only give me as much grief as a Mac (may be less actually - I think only one of my Windows machines have given me a BSOD this year, as opposed to several 'droopy curtains of death' from my Macs). Software-wise, I also have a number of pretty trouble-free Macs. But the number of faults and basic design problems my Macbook Pro has which isn't on any Windows machine I used is quite staggering. To be brutally honest once I get past the smoke and mirrors of the looks, my cheapest nastiest current Dell 'just works' better than the MBP. My Mac Pro is also heading for premature failure sometime down the line - it's not truly set up for superior expandability, isn't at this point in time offering the overall system performance that equivalent Windows machines can offer and there's insufficient cooling management compared to my Precision 690.

And that's the other thing: I wonder if switchers drooling over their Pros even considered looking at something like an HP xw6/8400 or a Dell Precision 4/690 as PC purchases, ever. The responses regarding Apple's 'great support - I just took it in and the genius did x' certainly seem to indicate that. My workstation fails, I damned well expect an engineer to come out and fix it. Have someone pick it up and wait a week for it to be turned around? Are you &*%$ing joking? Or if the people in love with their Macbook Pros considered the very top-of-the-tree Sony's, etc. I get the feeling they didn't - that Apple, by their limited product range causes people to 'upbuy'. So well of course they're going to be impressed upgrading from whatever POS they had before.

It's not a bad range and of course it's visually arresting, but the hardware is the other major limitation of OS X.

[darknessgp]

I have to agree with the title, Windows is the best ...

The ... is for the rest of the sentence. Windows is the best for gaming, for most business, etc. OS X is the best for other things. and Linux is the best as a lot of things. It all depends on what you need from your OS.

Oh, and GUIs don't matter anymore. There are mods out there that can make OS X look like XP or Vista and make XP or Vista look like OS X. and by the way, I doubt you've seen every Linux distro, some of them IMO have a better looking GUI than OS X.

[masherscf]

It all depends on what you need from your OS.


Congrats on your insight. I've always maintained that you use the best tool for the job. Even though an OS should be a jack-of-all-trades. It is a fact that the software and peripherals available for each of the platforms is not the same. Therefore, none of the three major OS choices are going to be good at everything.

It's been a real strain, these last few years, adapting myself to a University that only supports Windows. I have always done the bulk of my academic work in a Unix/Linux environment. Most of the software I use is available on Windows, but better implemented on Linux and Unix. However, when I sit down to write a letter, it's on MS office for Windows.

[phatlip12]

And that's the other thing: I wonder if switchers drooling over their Pros even considered looking at something like an HP xw6/8400 or a Dell Precision 4/690 as PC purchases, ever. The responses regarding Apple's 'great support - I just took it in and the genius did x' certainly seem to indicate that. My workstation fails, I damned well expect an engineer to come out and fix it. Have someone pick it up and wait a week for it to be turned around? Are you &*%$ing joking? Or if the people in love with their Macbook Pros considered the very top-of-the-tree Sony's, etc. I get the feeling they didn't - that Apple, by their limited product range causes people to 'upbuy'. So well of course they're going to be impressed upgrading from whatever POS they had before.


Yea but you dont get OSX with HP or Sony. People buy macs for OSX. ;)

[darknessgp]

Yea but you don't get OSX with HP or Sony. People buy macs for OSX. ;)

Yes, and you are stuck with whatever hardware Apple gives or supports. One of the things I like about Windows and Linux is the ability to mix and match hardware or even do crazy custom hardware, both components and just aesthetics. On the side of computer selling companies, the fact is the only people I know that buy desktops from computer companies (primarily Dell and HP) are businesses or older people. Everyone else I know has found it cheaper and funner to just build their own PC.

[phatlip12]

Yes, and you are stuck with whatever hardware Apple gives or supports. One of the things I like about Windows and Linux is the ability to mix and match hardware or even do crazy custom hardware, both components and just aesthetics. On the side of computer selling companies, the fact is the only people I know that buy desktops from computer companies (primarily Dell and HP) are businesses or older people. Everyone else I know has found it cheaper and funner to just build their own PC.

That doesn't nearly speak for the majority of people, that just means you have alot of geeky friends. ;)

The majority of people ARE buying computers from companies. The people that build their own computers/are always upgrading are hobbyists.

[ArmpitOfDeath]

Yea but you dont get OSX with HP or Sony. People buy macs for OSX. ;)

What I'm saying is that people, if buying an Apple, usually are 'upsold' into higher-spec machines than they would normally consider when buying PC's - especially towards the top end. So it stands to reason that they are impressed by the smoothness. As someone else said, the eye candy is secondary these days but certainly on the Apple you get more of it without any effort.