911 = Epic Fail

[secret-steve-crumbles]

So, I haven't really had a gun thread in a while... curious what you guys think about this.

A buddy of mine went to a Braves game recently. On his way out of the stadium, he arrived at the lot he parked at to find his car broken into. He called the police, and after 45 minutes of waiting, no officer had shown up yet. While he was still sitting there waiting, a bunch of kids walked by and started screaming shit at him. He couldn't hear all of it, but he did hear: "I'm going to kill you mother fucker!" He freaked out even more and called 911 once again asking where the fuck the cop was, and told them what he just heard. Another 45 minutes later, there was still no cop there. He saw an Atlanta officer driving by, and he literally ran out in the road and stopped him, and basically forced him to help him (the officer kept saying he couldn't help him.)

Anyway, now I see this today:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/05/18/williams.bad.operator.wtvf

Listen to the 911 operator at the end of the video.

I love her comments:

"If I can't depend on...... who do I... who do I... what do I do?"

Easy. Buy a gun. Hopefully my liberal friend will consider packing heat now.

[kronos6948]

While I'm a gun advocate, I don't see how packing a gun could've helped with the car being broken into.

On the other hand, the death threat situation is downright scary, and I'd feel as if I had a fighting chance if it were me, had I had a gun. Kind of leveling the playing field.

I've learned never to trust police when it comes to just about any situation that you need them to take care of. My father is a retired officer, and he told me a lot of things that really are disturbing, and I've seen some disturbing things firsthand.

When it comes to cars and homes being broken into, they never look for the criminal. In their minds, it doesn't do any good, simply because even if they put forth the effort into putting them away, they're back on the streets shortly anyway. An officer told me this after my ex fiancee's car got broken into. Needless to say, her vehicle was hit numerous times (3 to be exact), and after she left, the car itself was stolen.

[stumpy]

People think banning guns is the solution, but the bad guys will still find ways to get them - whereas upstanding citizens cannot.

Just doesn't make sense to me.

[secret-steve-crumbles]

While I'm a gun advocate, I don't see how packing a gun could've helped with the car being broken into.It wouldn't have. It would have helped him waiting in downtown atlanta in the middle of the night for 2 hours until he finally gave up and stopped a cop he saw passing by.

I've learned never to trust police when it comes to just about any situation that you need them to take care of. My father is a retired officer, and he told me a lot of things that really are disturbing, and I've seen some disturbing things firsthand.I have seen a lot of cops gone wild type videos go through the internet, and I like to think it's in the minority. I like to think that people are generally good spirited. However, saying that, I would never trust, no, that's the wrong word, I would never rely on a cop getting to me in a situation where I was in a life threatening situation.

[tokenuser]

If he had paid more taxes, perhaps the law enforcement agencies would have the resources to be more responsive :rolleyes:

You don't need a gun yourself, you just need the people with guns to be around ... and to be on your side.

[secret-steve-crumbles]

If he had paid more taxes, perhaps the law enforcement agencies would have the resources to be more responsive :rolleyes:Wow.

You don't need a gun yourself, you just need the people with guns to be around ... and to be on your side.You're on your own side, right?

[ryudo]

Most people have the confidence of using a gun and the ability using it right as a person with Parkinson's performing surgery.

[secret-steve-crumbles]

Most people have the confidence of using a gun and the ability using it right as a person with Parkinson's performing surgery. Most people who own guns enjoy it as a hobby and visit the range several times to practice and have fun.

I like these most people stats. They're fun and easy to come up with.

Have any of you guys watched that video yet? That could be the help that's coming for you when you need it. Why risk it? Where has all this faith in the government come from when nothing they run works very well.

[tokenuser]

Wow.Not wow ... just common sense ...

July 10, 2006

In 1994, faced with a national crime crisis, Congress passed the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act (Crime Bill), which provided federal funds to allow state and local law enforcement to hire additional police officers. The results were dramatic: between 1994 and 2001, violent crime dropped by 29 percent, the most sustained decline in 40 years.

Since 2001, however, the President and the Republican-controlled Congress have cut more than $2 billion in funding for state and local law enforcement. And the results have been equally dramatic: violent crime is on the rise again. In 2005, violent crime increased at the fastest rate in fifteen years. These statistics foreshadow what could be a troubling trend, a backsliding into the “bad old days” of the 1980s and early 1990s when we were losing the war on crime.

Its a biased source (http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-new.cfm?doc_name=fs-109-2-98), but an interesting thing to keep in mind.

[masherscf]

Most people have the confidence of using a gun and the ability using it right as a person with Parkinson's performing surgery.

Please, you can say the same thing about boys and fast cars. I'm much more worried about getting killed by a misused motor vehicle than a misused handgun. And, I work in NYC.

[ryudo]

I watched the video and me trust the gov..HAHAHAHAHA! ..no, and depending on others and been in situations like hers a few times even where I nearly killed my father with his gun fearing my life...but knowing the trauma it would have caused me ruining my life in another way..I don't have faith in guns solve everything either.


I know how this sounds to a uber pro gun person like you as I have been in thousands of these debates but they always go nowhere so it gets old and don't care what your thoughts are on me ..really only clicked to see the video and ended up commenting anyway...anyhoo I have to get back to writing..this damn story is annoying me as I keep having to re edit this part several times..

[secret-steve-crumbles]

Its a biased source (http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-new.cfm?doc_name=fs-109-2-98), but an interesting thing to keep in mind.Meh, anti-gun facts, and pro-gun facts are always amazingly opposite of each other.

I am more curious what you think of that 911 tape.

[Bohemian_Beauty]

While I dislike guns and I don't think there's a need for them, I think the bigger problem is the violence and stupidity this country seems to breed. There are so many other countries in this world with less gun control, and less violence.

[ryudo]

I am more curious what you think of that 911 tape.

The guy is an asshole who should be castrated to prevent uncaring assholes like him from breeding.

[masherscf]

The guy is an asshole who should be castrated to prevent uncaring assholes like him from breeding.


Well, there's another argument... Forced castration...

[Bohemian_Beauty]

Well, there's another argument... Forced castration...

Or, on a lighter note, male circumcision.

[kronos6948]

While I dislike guns and I don't think there's a need for them, I think the bigger problem is the violence and stupidity this country seems to breed. There are so many other countries in this world with less gun control, and less violence.

The creation of firearms was like opening Pandora's box. Once whatever was in the box was let loose, you could not get it back in again. In that vein, the more gun control you try to have only takes guns away from legitimate citizens, and does nothing to remove them from the hands of criminals, as they will always find ways of getting them.

Granted, the second half of your statement talks about countries that have less gun control, so that first paragraph was for your feelings about guns themselves.

As far as breeding stupidity goes, it does seem like the U.S. is #1 in something...;)

In regards to violence, it's a definite characteristic of all living creatures. It takes self control to be able to avoid violence, and as intelligence decreases, self control also seems to decrease. People don't grasp the concept of empathy, and therefore don't give a damn about anyone but themselves. This leads to people doing things to other people that they wouldn't want to happen to themselves. It's a "Me against the world" thought process.

[kronos6948]

Or, on a lighter note, male circumcision.

I wish I had never gotten mine. I could use those extra centimeters.

[ariastar]

Its a biased source (http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-new.cfm?doc_name=fs-109-2-98), but an interesting thing to keep in mind.

Just because the bad guys didn't need to shoot the guns to get their way (the good guys not having them can't be a threat back) doesn't mean they weren't used to threaten though.

[ariastar]

While I dislike guns and I don't think there's a need for them, I think the bigger problem is the violence and stupidity this country seems to breed. There are so many other countries in this world with less gun control, and less violence.

Welcome to America, where we're all taught it's always someone else's responsibility.

[ariastar]

Or, on a lighter note, male circumcision.

I'm adamant that any sons I were to have would not be circumcised as babies. If they get older and want it the way we didn't choose, then they can, their choice. If they were circumcised and grow up and wish they weren't, there's not want to make it the other way.

[Bohemian_Beauty]

Couldn't agree more, Aria. My son can make that choice on his own when he's old enough.

[rabidbadger]

I wish I had never gotten mine. I could use those extra centimeters.

I could use your extra centimeters, too ;) :D :eek:

[tokenuser]

Or, on a lighter note, male circumcision.Its only a lighter note if you are male, adult, and already circumcised ... otherwise it is a leg crossing, eye water moment to even think about.

[gonzooo]

That clip is indeed extremely disturbing...

On the subject of gun control I can't comment much because I've never known anything other than strict gun control, more than to say I don't see why it should be a basic right to wield a tool that is specifically designed to end life.

I hold the same position to guns that I do to drugs; I don't use them but the mechanics/workings of them interest me.

[rabidbadger]

Swedes kick ass. had a threesome with a couple of them once in the bahamas.. ah... youth...

[masherscf]

Or, on a lighter note, male circumcision.

I'm against it. My son is in one piece.

[xibalba]

DIY Circumcision (http://www.amazon.com/SHOPZEUS-Laboratory-Guillotine-XM-01/dp/B000N5NIWE/ref=sr_1_28?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1211248560&sr=8-28) :D

[kronos6948]

DIY Circumcision (http://www.amazon.com/SHOPZEUS-Laboratory-Guillotine-XM-01/dp/B000N5NIWE/ref=sr_1_28?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1211248560&sr=8-28) :D

At first, I was afraid to click the link, thinking it was the BME pain olympics.

[xibalba]

Nah I would never post that here that is way too sick and a 100% way of getting banned.

[esophagus]

Hasn't this argument been hashed out a million times in a row?

My stance:
Guns shouldn't have been invented, but now theyre a necessary evil. A necessary evil your average bystander shouldn't be allowed to carry.

[kronos6948]

I could use your extra centimeters, too ;) :D :eek:


My circumcision scar looks like a ring. I tend to liken my penis to Saturn. Sorry, though, Saturn never really gets close to Uranus.




...I know, long way to go for that joke...:D

[ryudo]

Hmm from guns to penises this topic has become...somehow it just makes sense.

[kronos6948]

Hmm from guns to penises this topic has become...somehow it just makes sense.

This is my rifle, this is my gun
This one's for killing, this one's for fun.

[phatlip12]

In regards to the 911 call...

1) The people working for 911 should be investigated and the guy that said he didn't give a shit fired (possibly others). Then, I think he should face some sort of jail time if possible. Him purposely not helping put her life in jeopardy. I wonder if social class or race had anything to do with the negligence?

2) Why the slow reaction from the cops? Where were they and were they ever indeed notified? Are the cops too busy handing out speed tickets or are there not enough cops on the streets?

[ryudo]

This is my rifle, this is my gun
This one's for killing, this one's for fun.

That was chucks worst hour....until the other two sequels came around a decade later.

[phatlip12]

I'm against it. My son is in one piece.

Oh, and since we're talking about circumcision for some reason...

My parents had me circumcised but I doubt I'll have my son (when the day comes) circumcised. Apparently, there are no real medical benefits so I don't see the point in putting him through such trauma for cosmetics.

[esophagus]

No medical benefits? Not even helping to prevent HIV and many other infections?

[phatlip12]

No medical benefits? Not even helping to prevent HIV and many other infections?

Um, was that a joke? A circumcised penis = protection from HIV? I hope thats not your only form of protection my friend.

[Bohemian_Beauty]

No medical benefits? Not even helping to prevent HIV and many other infections?
The difference between the chance of contracting HIV, between a uncircumcised and circumcised penis is minute in a civilized Western society like the US or most of Europe.

The recent studies were done in Africa, involving young African males and while they had medical treatment, they lived their normal day to day lives, which are usually not as sanitary as most Westerners are.

[phatlip12]

The difference between the chance of contracting HIV, between a uncircumcised and circumcised penis is minute in a civilized Western society like the US or most of Europe.

The recent studies were done in Africa, involving young African males and while they had medical treatment, they lived their normal day to day lives, which are usually not as sanitary as most Westerners are.

Not to mention practically every other person has HIV in Africa to begin with...

:(

[esophagus]

I'm not saying throw out condoms, just have a circumcision. Also, HIV was my extreeeeeeeme example. As far as cleanliness and infection goes, it is very effective.

[phatlip12]

I'm not saying throw out condoms, just have a circumcision. Also, HIV was my extreeeeeeeme example. As far as cleanliness and infection goes, it is very effective.

*Shrugs*

I just think teaching efficient personal hygiene is a better solution then a circumcision.

[Bohemian_Beauty]

It isn't, really. If someone washes their junk regularly, it will stay healthy and clean, provided they don't whore themselves out too much.As far as cleanliness and infection goes, it is very effective.

[mikec]

Hasn't this argument been hashed out a million times in a row?

My stance:
Guns shouldn't have been invented, but now theyre a necessary evil. A necessary evil your average bystander shouldn't be allowed to carry.

So a bow and arrow is better? What about some of the impact weapons that are around? A crushed skull is better then a bullet wound?

Killing of another is generally wrong no matter what type of device is used. The only time taking another life is acceptable is self defense or a law officer protecting people from a criminal element or limited use of execution.

I have owned firearms for over 30 years and believe in the Second Amendment but I do cringe when I read things like this because you better practice with a gun and know the laws otherwise you will end up in jail.

BTW, you can't legally posses a handgun in Turner Field unless you are law enforcement.

[secret-steve-crumbles]

In regards to the 911 call...

1) The people working for 911 should be investigated and the guy that said he didn't give a shit fired (possibly others). Then, I think he should face some sort of jail time if possible. Him purposely not helping put her life in jeopardy. I wonder if social class or race had anything to do with the negligence?First, thank you for finally talking about the actual 911 call. Yea, I agree he should be punished pretty hardcore. I doubt it was a race issue as they were both black.

2) Why the slow reaction from the cops? Where were they and were they ever indeed notified? Are the cops too busy handing out speed tickets or are there not enough cops on the streets?I don't know. This always seems to be the case with cops. It happened to my friend, it happened to this poor lady, and it happened to me once. About a year ago I came home from work and found my door open. I called the cops to have them go in first. I waited outside for about 2 hours before a cop finally showed up. Real arrogant guy too. I told him that I had a firearm inside, and he just smiled and patted his gun he already had drawn. I was like: "OK, mr. bad ass, go for it."

[kronos6948]

I'm not saying throw out condoms, just have a circumcision. Also, HIV was my extreeeeeeeme example. As far as cleanliness and infection goes, it is very effective.

I just want all of my sensitivity back. Not that I need to hit it with a hammer to get me going (although some people are into that sort of thing), the foreskin shrouds the nerve endings a bit, so you don't get the whole clothing rubbing thing deadening the nerve endings...Plus, there's nerves in the foreskin itself as well.

@ SecretSteve,

The reason why I didn't comment on the actual call is that things like that totally piss me off, and I didn't listen to it.

[masherscf]

*Shrugs*

I just think teaching efficient personal hygiene is a better solution then a circumcision.

Actually, the whole "cleanliness" argument is complete bullshit. The human penis is perfectly designed for it's task and having a foreskin does not cause increase infection. My daughter gets ear infections but my son, who is not circumcised, does not get penis infections. I think he should chop off here ears to keep them from getting infected. Better yet, my not take the entire organ to perfect sexual distractions.

Indeed, our doctor told us not to even worry about my son's foreskin until the boy is at least five.

Religious doctrine calling for circumcision is just a plot to reduce a man's sexual pleasure...nothing more. The "health" reasons are strictly bullshit.

Doctors and priests used to maintain that breast feeding was unhealthy for infants. Think about that. The most natural and proven most healthy way to feed your infant was poo-pooed because of Victorian moral sensibilities.

[mikec]

Doctors and priests used to maintain that breast feeding was unhealthy for infants. Think about that. The most natural and proven most healthy way to feed your infant was poo-pooed because of Victorian moral sensibilities.

Makes one wonder if anyone ever asked these "intelligent" people what the cavemen did to feed a baby? How many thousands of generations were raised on breast milk?

[phatlip12]

I don't know. This always seems to be the case with cops. It happened to my friend, it happened to this poor lady, and it happened to me once. About a year ago I came home from work and found my door open. I called the cops to have them go in first. I waited outside for about 2 hours before a cop finally showed up. Real arrogant guy too. I told him that I had a firearm inside, and he just smiled and patted his gun he already had drawn. I was like: "OK, mr. bad ass, go for it."

Not only that dude, the same seems to be true with any sort of emergency service sometimes. A guy crashed his crotch rocket in my girlfriends yard a few years back and broke his leg (bone coming through and all that fun stuff). Her towns fire station is within WALKING distance of her house. It took them 45 minutes to get there (and it was an ambulance from the station down the street too).

[secret-steve-crumbles]

Not only that dude, the same seems to be true with any sort of emergency service sometimes. A guy crashed his crotch rocket in my girlfriends yard a few years back and broke his leg (bone coming through and all that fun stuff). Her towns fire station is within WALKING distance of her house. It took them 45 minutes to get there (and it was an ambulance from the station down the street too).Woa, was the guy OK?