Redistribution of Revision 3 video content?

[trog]

Hiya,

We've been mirroring some revision3 videos in the past; the old site had the Creative Commons logo available on the content so it seemed pretty clear that redistribution was allowed (if not encouraged) - with the obvious exception of the early-access subscriber-only videos.

I note on the new site the Creative Commons logo is now conspicuously absent and the formal Terms of the site are a little vague - so I'm wondering if the licensing conditions of Revision3.com content have changed along with the new site.

The Terms state:
"All of our non-member downloads comply with creative commons 2.5."

I guess I just need to clarify whether "non-member downloads" specifically means all the content that is made available by Revision3 on the site.

I sent an email to the info mailbox on the contact page last week but as yet haven't had a reply, and this seems like the sort of thing that might've come up earlier (yet I can't find it in a forum search!), so just thought I'd ask here.

Thanks!

[spanca]

You're from Bigpond, right?

I came here looking for this answer after a declined file request. Hope this gets sorted out soon.

edit:
I just felt I should add to this to give the Rev3 guys some perspective. For most Australians, our broadband plans are prohibitively expensive to have large download limits or uncapped plans, so most of us are stuck with plans around 12gig a month. I'm on such a plan, and use every bit of that 12gig each month, often quicker. Thanks to the redistribution of Rev3 content on Bigpond servers which do not count towards monthly usage, I'm able to watch Rev3 shows. I watch Diggnation, TRS, Tekzilla, and the Digg Reel every week, and occasional some of the other shows. Each month this content adds up to 8 or more gigs of data. If it weren't for redistribution on Bigpond, that would be 66% or more of my monthly allowance.

It's not a matter of downloading it from Bigpond or from Revision 3, it's a question of whether I watch the shows or not. If Australians aren't able to access unmetered redistribution of Rev3 content, then you'll find a lot of us just won't be able to watch anymore and rather than Rev 3 growing in audience, it will be losing a portion of the existing one.

If the old excuse of needing to count numbers for advertising purposes is still relevant, then it shouldn't be hard to overcome given Bigpond download numbers are already visible for each file. I'd hope that Bigpond and Rev3 could sort this out.

[npercy]

Good to hear you guys are trying to sort this out. When I was rejected in my request for the diggreel I was wondering what was going on (I had ScamSchool rejected a while ago because it didn't fit to the Bigpond policy, not really sure why though), and then had a heap rejected today (Diggnation Tekzilla and Ifanboy).

Personally I'd be disappointed to loose out on the Revision 3 content, and I have tried to support the sponsors where possible but if I cannot have the content mirrored I would drop it instantly because of the puny download limits that are available in Australia (I have dropped Scamschool).

Its a shame that this had to be my first (and probably my last by the looks of it) post here.

[spanca]

Do Rev3 respond to any support queries here?

I don't mean to be rude but it'd be nice to know we're not talking to a brick wall.

[mikec]

Do Rev3 respond to any support queries here?

I don't mean to be rude but it'd be nice to know we're not talking to a brick wall.

You ever think that they gave the staff Sunday and Monday off for Memorial Day? Yes, there are usually at least two staffers that I know of that are looking at the forums on a daily basis.

[tokenuser]

Mike - cut them some slack. They are Australian.

Off the top of your head, can you tell me when ANZAC Day, The Queen's Birthday Weekend, or Australia Day are?

[spanca]

^ Thank you.

[mikec]

Token, I did miss the Aussie mention but I don't think I was that rough on them. Now if I was talking to a Kiwi ...

As for knowing the dates of Australian holidays, IF I was trying to contact someone if Australia and I was not getting a response I would check to see if there was a national holiday causing the delay.

Additionally there is mention in various threads on the site about Memorial Day. One in Systm and one in General Discussion. (there may be others that I missed.)

[dirtymexican]

Thread getting derailed into 'should he have known about memorial day before saying that"...

I am in a very similar situation to Spance.

The only reason i've been able to follow the podcasts I enjoy (from Greekdrome, Diggnation, TRS, Digreel) is because our ISP bigpond offered a non-usage mirror. To ask me to download it else where (eg. Bit torrent) would mean forking over 50% of my entire usage.

Or at least meet us half way and release a flash video version, otherwise we seriously cannot follow these shows anymore without changing ISP's, and paying for a 60 or 80 gig plan. If we upgraded plans within our current ISP.
Some more perspective.
For Telstra Bigpond - ADSL2 (a 20mbps connection, that most people recieve 10mbps)
AU$149.95 (approx US$143.70) for 60gb and $0.15 for ever MEG over (US$143.70 per gig after 60 gigs).

There are much more reasonable plans offered by other ISPs, but if this is the most popular ISP in Australia, standards aren't great.
In my mind, they're the largest telco because they were once the National Telco owned by the government, have a brand recognition you can't compete with, andhog all government communication contracts because of previous said status.

[comhcinc]

it really seems like some of you folks in Australia need to get together and start your own ISP and offer something modern. you could make millions of whatever funny looking money you people use.


really token, the queen's birthday? that is just silly. didn't she like imprison all of ya and send you to some island half way around the world? crazy.


anyway good luck i'm sure they will look into after the holiday

[spanca]

really token, the queen's birthday? that is just silly. didn't she like imprison all of ya and send you to some island half way around the world? crazy.
If you were stuck in Britain and so poor that you had to steal bread to survive, wouldn't you be celebrating and thanking the King/Queen for sending you down to Sydney as a "punishment"? ;)

[comhcinc]

If you were stuck in Britain and so poor that you had to steal bread to survive, wouldn't you be celebrating and thanking the King/Queen for sending you down to Sydney as a "punishment"? ;)
...No.

[tokenuser]

it really seems like some of you folks in Australia need to get together and start your own ISP and offer something modern. you could make millions of whatever funny looking money you people use.Its not that simple. Think about it ... population of the greater LA area (20M) ... geographic size of the continental US. Wiring the country is not as easy as it sounds, and its not cheap. There are other ISPs out there, but they all use the Telstra infrastucture. DSL (ADSL) is king downunder, with limited cable modem deployment.

If you think that Comcast suck with their packet shaping and throttling, BigPond (Telstra) are worse. Not so much because of packet shaping, but because of download limiting. To counter that they have a number of "free content" servers, where popular content is precached for limit free distribution to clients. Placing the Rev3 content on those servers is what the folks from downunder want.

really token, the queen's birthday? that is just silly.And when was the last time you sent GWB a birthday card on President's Day?

The Queen's Birthday (2nd Monday in June if anyone needs to call Australia for technical support - thanks for asking), pretty much subsumed Empire (Commonwealth) Day as a public holiday. For many, many years it was referred to as "cracker night", because we used to be able to buy fireworks (fire crackers) and set them off. Thats now illegal (except in the ACT). The holiday is no longer held on the Queen's actual birthday ... so that shows how much importance we put behind the event itself.

Oh yeah - just like Memorial Day is the unofficial start of summer in the US, the QB weekend is the official start of the ski season downunder. Not that there is ever really any snow until later in the month, but its a great party in Thredbo (or the much cheaper Jindabyne where I used to stay) and its normally cold enough to get the snowmakers running on the front (bunny) slopes.

didn't she like imprison all of ya and send you to some island half way around the world? crazy.
Committing a crime is no longer a requirement for Australian immigration. It might have been how my family got there, and on the back of the immigration card it does still ask, but it no longer necessary.

If you were stuck in Britain and so poor that you had to steal bread to survive, wouldn't you be celebrating and thanking the King/Queen for sending you down to Sydney as a "punishment"? ;)

Its how one branch of my family ended up in Australia ... stealing a loaf of bread ... and receiving stolen goods. Two seperate people, who met and got married after they were pardoned, who then squatted on land (set up a farm) on the back side of the hunter valley (Scone/Barrington Tops area if anyone cares), where much of my non-immediate family are still located.

For US readers, having a convict connection in Australia is like having a Mayflower connection in the US. Although these particular relatives came to Australia in the early 1800's (tailed end of the "transportation"), I also had a relative who was a Marine Guard in the Welsh Regiment that was sent on the first fleet. He hated the place, and returned to the UK at his earliest opportunity. He had a nephew return as a free settler later in the early 1800's (1820/30s?).

[comhcinc]

Its not that simple. Think about it ... population of the greater LA area (20M) ... geographic size of the continental US. Wiring the country is not as easy as it sounds, and its not cheap. There are other ISPs out there, but they all use the Telstra infrastucture. DSL (ADSL) is king downunder, with limited cable modem deployment.

If you think that Comcast suck with their packet shaping and throttling, BigPond (Telstra) are worse. Not so much because of packet shaping, but because of download limiting. To counter that they have a number of "free content" servers, where popular content is precached for limit free distribution to clients. Placing the Rev3 content on those servers is what the folks from downunder want.


yeah i hope Rev3 figures out whatever snafu it is and get's it set up again. i am just saying i see the opportunity to make a lot of money if someone was willing to invest in a start up ISP. Maybe go all wireless?

[gimpbully]

Hey folks, just wanted to let you know i've forwarded this topic to the powers that be for clarification. Once things... settle down.. we'll let you know either way.

[comhcinc]

hmm maybe the DDoS came for the anrgy folks down under?

[trog]

Hey folks, just wanted to let you know i've forwarded this topic to the powers that be for clarification. Once things... settle down.. we'll let you know either way.

Thanks heaps!

[npercy]

Thanks gimpbully, could the notification please be places here as for the mirroring at Bigpond, the files need to be submitted by Bigpond users.

Hopefully, I'll have a backlist of videos to watch as I'll soon be on holidays!

[gimpbully]

revision3's content is licensed under the creative commons license. As such all restrictions under said license apply.

[trog]

revision3's content is licensed under the creative commons license. As such all restrictions under said license apply.

Great, thanks very much for chasing that up so promptly!

Might I suggest the following as well for consideration:

- reinstatement of the Creative Commons logo somewhere on the page
- updating of the RSS feeds for the various shows to include the Creative Commons license attribute (as per the namespace that is actually included in the RSS feeds : http://backend.userland.com/creativeCommonsRssModule)

Thanks again,
-- trog

[spanca]

Thanks for clearing this up Rev3, and also to Trog for chasing it up for Bigpond users. Much appreciated.

[spiri]

It might be relevant to know which Creative Commons license it is exactly, since there are some differences.

http://creativecommons.org/about/license/

[trog]

It might be relevant to know which Creative Commons license it is exactly, since there are some differences.

http://creativecommons.org/about/license/

The Terms (linked in the footer of the main page, not in the forums) state that it is 2.5.

[gimpbully]

It might be relevant to know which Creative Commons license it is exactly, since there are some differences.

http://creativecommons.org/about/license/

Okay, so this isn't a legal explanation, but the basic license we use allows for non-commercial distribution. We will be clarifying the finer, legal, points soon (which basically just includes traffic reporting, etc)

..soon being a relative term that I use to say I've specifically been told that this was being worked on

[Justin316a]

This is actually something I did have a few questions on. One thing I wanted to do is take a few episodes of iFanboy and/or TRS, burn them to a DVD once every month/few weeks and let my local comic book shop play them as backdrop in the store. The shows could have the potential to drive sales of the books reviewed in a place it would directly affect the sale of the reviewed books, and advertise the shows to a market thet may not readily be aware of it's existence. But because of possible legalities I've been alittle hesitant to doing anything yet. So would this fall under Creative Commons since the show itself isn't being sold but rather displayed in a place of business?

[spiri]

The Terms (linked in the footer of the main page, not in the forums) state that it is 2.5.
There are different kinds of CC-licenses as listed in my previous link. And I'm pretty sure they are all available in a 2.5 version. :)

But anyway gimpbully sorted it out, they seem to be working on it :)