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xibalba
05-30-2008, 12:45 AM
Anyone every thought about converting their car or have converted their car to electric?

comhcinc
05-30-2008, 12:50 AM
yes i was looking at this (http://www.greenvehicles.com/) today. 20,000 thousand dollars 80 miles an hour and about 100 mile range

xibalba
05-30-2008, 12:52 AM
I would so drive one of those but of course it would have to be painted to make it look like a human skull.

xibalba
05-30-2008, 01:05 AM
I would rather have this though (http://www.teslamotors.com/)

acidburn
05-30-2008, 01:18 AM
What I'd like to know is what will happen to all the batteries when they reach end of life.

Electric cars are cool, but that power still has to come from somewhere.

xibalba
05-30-2008, 01:24 AM
People who can afford expensive electric cars probably have a solar power on their houses hah...while nickel/lead based can be bad to throw away. Lithium ones aren't as bad I believe.

comhcinc
05-30-2008, 01:27 AM
I would rather have this though (http://www.teslamotors.com/)

not me. my penis is big enough(j/k but i have never been a fan of flashy cars)

xibalba
05-30-2008, 01:28 AM
Look at the stats much better than the ones you posted. Thats what I was looking at.

comhcinc
05-30-2008, 01:30 AM
not the $ stat

acidburn
05-30-2008, 01:31 AM
I've seen a few of the smart cars on the roads around here. I'd like to take one on a test drive.

http://www.smartusa.com/

mikec
05-30-2008, 03:31 AM
I'd be afraid of trying to drive one of the smart cars on I-95 going to DC. As a city car it would be interesting.

Anyone have crash data on them? What happens if a smart car and a large SUV meet at say 70MPH on the highway?

comhcinc
05-30-2008, 03:33 AM
the smartcar was not made for highway use. that's why i have not gave them much thought. i have to get on the highway to get to work.

forthekids85
05-30-2008, 04:38 AM
I'd be afraid of trying to drive one of the smart cars on I-95 going to DC. As a city car it would be interesting.

Anyone have crash data on them? What happens if a smart car and a large SUV meet at say 70MPH on the highway?

Smart Car Crash Test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJHpUO-S0i8)

ariastar
05-30-2008, 06:07 AM
There are still charging stations for the old GM electric cars around here, parking stalls that still have the signs. And you still can't park there without one of those cars.

acidburn
05-30-2008, 11:35 AM
Crash test results on the smart car seem mixed.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/14/autos/smart_fortwo_iihs_crash_test/?postversion=2008051410

For the right type of commuting it could be a good car. Though even with decent crash test results I think I'd still feel intimidated on the highway.

However if you only commuting on residential streets, the Honda Ruckus would be a good choice too. :)

http://powersports.honda.com/scooters/model.asp?ModelName=Ruckus&ModelYear=2008&ModelId=NPS508

ariastar
05-30-2008, 02:51 PM
There's been some hot debate on this car here as, well, people are buying it. The crash test data is versus other cars in the size class, and so of COURSE the Smart Car gets the best in its class because there are no others to compare it to. Between a Smart Car and anything else out there though the other car will win. Crash tests take a single vehicle into a wall. Since that's not the majority of crashes, it's inaccurate to use that as the main indicator of safety. Get sideswiped on the freeway and you're fucked.

tokenuser
05-30-2008, 03:15 PM
There's been some hot debate on this car here as, well, people are buying it. The crash test data is versus other cars in the size class, and so of COURSE the Smart Car gets the best in its class because there are no others to compare it to. Between a Smart Car and anything else out there though the other car will win. Crash tests take a single vehicle into a wall. Since that's not the majority of crashes, it's inaccurate to use that as the main indicator of safety. Get sideswiped on the freeway and you're fucked.Smartcars are solid. They have a frame that is akin to a F1 racing car, and fully encloses the driver. It might be designed by Swatch, but the engineering is all bombproof Mercedes Benz.

BTW - The fourtwo convertible is awesome :) ... if it was electric, we would get one as a runabout (because we do very little freeway drivign these days).

acidburn
06-01-2008, 12:09 PM
I think over the next five years we are going to see a change in the types and size of cars we see on the road. Gas prices right now are going to get people thinking about smaller cars when it's time to buy or lease the next one.

ariastar
06-01-2008, 06:43 PM
I think over the next five years we are going to see a change in the types and size of cars we see on the road. Gas prices right now are going to get people thinking about smaller cars when it's time to buy or lease the next one.

Yeah, 'cept most people aren't in a position to finance the brand new cars that would be smaller and use less gas.

acidburn
06-01-2008, 06:51 PM
Yeah, 'cept most people aren't in a position to finance the brand new cars that would be smaller and use less gas.

Agreed, but I do think we'll start to see less SUV's and trucks in use by people who don't really need to be driving them around. And they'll be replaced by smaller cars even if they aren't the newest most efficient models.

mikec
06-02-2008, 12:31 AM
Smartcars are solid. They have a frame that is akin to a F1 racing car, and fully encloses the driver. It might be designed by Swatch, but the engineering is all bombproof Mercedes Benz.



Carbon Fiber monocoque? A smart car has doors and windows, something a F1 car doesn't.

BTW, if one can believe the Wikipedia entry on smart cars, it says that the Prius gets better mileage then the smart cars and a Chevy Cobalt gets 5 miles per gallon less then a smart car. A coworker has a VW Jetta TDI that gets real world 48MPG highway and high 20s in the city.

tokenuser
06-02-2008, 01:52 AM
Carbon Fiber monocoque? A smart car has doors and windows, something a F1 car doesn't. Yeah, thats what I mean :rolleyes:

Right on the monocoque construction - wrong on the material. The safety technology that went into the SmartCars was based on the lessons learnt by Mercedes Racing teams (ie McLaren) applied to consumer grade cars.

BTW, if one can believe the Wikipedia entry on smart cars, it says that the Prius gets better mileage then the smart cars and a Chevy Cobalt gets 5 miles per gallon less then a smart car. A coworker has a VW Jetta TDI that gets real world 48MPG highway and high 20s in the city.Mileages?

SmartCar Fortwo - 50mpg (petrol), 69mpg (diesel) [source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Fortwo)]
Prius - 44mpg (according to Consumer Reports). [source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prius)]
Jetta - what you said ... but notice the fortwo DIESEL consumption (comparing Apple to Apples) ... 69mpg vs 20s-48mpg in the Jetta.

The next gen Prius (rumoured to hit market next year) is supposed to be a 50mpg vehicle, and lets face it, the Jetta and the Prius can fit four people plus luggage in reasonable comfort, but that is not the focus of the SmartCar. They are commuter cars, not touring cars. And (as anyone travelling to Europe) will see, they can park just about anywhere.

mikec
06-02-2008, 02:33 AM
From smart car's web site: 33/41 (EPA 2008). http://www.smartusa.com/smart-car-technical-specifications.aspx

The Canadian diesel cars aren't legal in the US, they fail the emissions standards.

As for the carbon fiber monocoque, carbon fiber would be a nightmare for any passenger car. I was referring to F1 cars. In reality, how much hands on experience does M-B have in race cars? Peter Sauber was a privateer and he built what became the Mercedes Group C cars. Ilmor provided the engines for some of the M-B F1 cars. Now M-B teams up with McLaren.

Let's not forget Mercedes' 1955 Le Mans fiasco.

grundelboy
06-02-2008, 03:28 PM
I saw a show in TLC where this company converted a 67 camero to 100% electric powered but there was never a price tag on how much a conversion would cost.
I can't remember what the show was called or if it was just a pilot that never really picked up but I really dug the show and would love to do my own conversion on a car like that.

kahunablair
06-02-2008, 09:26 PM
Smart Cars are great. I have an old boss that currently works the North East region for them.

The problem is, for a car that small, the MPG rating is horrible. You are better off getting a Fit, Aveo, or Yaris. All are a little bigger, but get the same gas mileage.

Yeah, 'cept most people aren't in a position to finance the brand new cars that would be smaller and use less gas.
Funny thing about that is there was a report out a few months ago about what was cheaper, buying a New small, fuel efficient vehicle or buying a Used older car.

The used older car won out under most scenarios. I'll have to find the link to the story.

I saw a show in TLC where this company converted a 67 camero to 100% electric powered but there was never a price tag on how much a conversion would cost.
I can't remember what the show was called or if it was just a pilot that never really picked up but I really dug the show and would love to do my own conversion on a car like that.

There is a company that takes the Scion xB and converts it into an "eBox".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Propulsion_eBox

They are a great idea. The problem is it takes a car that you can buy for $15-17,000 and makes it's a +$55,000 car.

kahunablair
06-02-2008, 09:31 PM
If anyone is interested a great little blog to check out is AutoblogGreen (http://www.autobloggreen.com). They cover everything, no matter how whacky, that is good for the enviroment.


My personal favorite is a local High Schools entry into the Hybrid design. It's a sweet little ride. They designed it so that it's completely marketable and easy to mass produce (one of the problems with these kind of design experiments).
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autobloggreen.com/media/2008/03/hybrid-attack-interview.jpg
http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/03/21/new-york-2008-west-phillys-hybrid-attack-makes-other-high-scho/

acidburn
06-02-2008, 10:05 PM
Funny thing about that is there was a report out a few months ago about what was cheaper, buying a New small, fuel efficient vehicle or buying a Used older car.

The used older car won out under most scenarios. I'll have to find the link to the story.


The way new cars depreciate so quickly I don't think I'll ever buy a new car again. 2-3 years old is where the best value probably is depending on the car.

kahunablair
06-02-2008, 11:33 PM
Exactly. I'm looking at getting a new car myself, and I'm only looking at 2-3 year old cars.

Actually, I'm also looking at Demo cars as well. The Depreciation sometimes is already there so you don't lose the 2-3000 instant loss you do when you drive off the lot.