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omgitsmit
06-07-2008, 02:38 AM
To Epic-SUCCESS.
Good job guys! It's nice to see new fresh faces with a whole different approach on the Rev3 lineup.
Keep it up! :D
thecheat
06-07-2008, 11:50 PM
Are you referring to Social Brew? haha
will_stutler
06-09-2008, 11:58 PM
i HATE this show
the only thing this shows got going for it is its fine host out side of that its crap crap and more crap
tangerine
06-10-2008, 04:55 AM
Rev3 acquires Zadi!
Epic Fu is a wonderful edition to the Rev3 line-up.
and I am not saying that because I remember her
from back in the day and grew impressed
watching her move from one independent web project
to another.
I actually watched the whole show and loved it.
Jonathan Coulton always makes me smile.
Congrats, Zadi!
(Thank you, Prager)
omgitsmit
06-12-2008, 12:56 AM
Rev3 acquires Zadi!
Epic Fu is a wonderful edition to the Rev3 line-up.
and I am not saying that because I remember her
from back in the day and grew impressed
watching her move from one independent web project
to another.
I actually watched the whole show and loved it.
Jonathan Coulton always makes me smile.
Congrats, Zadi!
(Thank you, Prager)
Werd!
"Epic Failure" is exactly what I thought watching this show.
There are probably 10 other similar "quirky" tech "news" podcasts out there and every one of them is better than this. Better written. Better researched. Better produced. Better presented.
I think we can safely file this show away with Social Brew in a few weeks.
comhcinc
06-17-2008, 02:43 AM
"Epic Failure" is exactly what I thought watching this show.
There are probably 10 other similar "quirky" tech "news" podcasts out there and every one of them is better than this. Better written. Better researched. Better produced. Better presented.
I think we can safely file this show away with Social Brew in a few weeks.
yes those 105 other episodes are just a fluke.
yes those 105 other episodes are just a fluke.
Anyone with a video camera and a net connection can make 105 episodes of a podcast.
But that doesn't mean that they should.
atreyu
06-17-2008, 02:56 AM
Anyone with a video camera and a net connection can make 105 episodes of a podcast.
But that doesn't mean that they should.
read my post. lol
comhcinc
06-17-2008, 03:06 AM
Anyone with a video camera and a net connection can make 105 episodes of a podcast.
But that doesn't mean that they should.
true but you make it sound as if they are about to get cancel and i got a 105 shows that say that ain't happening.
true but you make it sound as if they are about to get cancel and i got a 105 shows that say that ain't happening.
Well maybe not "cancelled", because as far as I can tell, Rev3 are just distributing it and don't own the format (not that there's a great deal of format to it).
But I certainly don't expect to see it around on Rev3 for long.
comhcinc
06-17-2008, 03:21 AM
i am more than willing to take that bet.
i am more than willing to take that bet.
Well I'm not a betting man, but I'm quite sure this show won't be around on revision3.com in 3 months.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's anything much the producers can do. The format has simply been done better before many, many times. (Although someone really should tell them that it's not 1988 any more and it's Ok to hold the camera still.)
tuxotaku
06-17-2008, 03:33 AM
Purportedly, this was a first draft for Epic Fu: http://is.gd/yWG
stevewoolf
06-17-2008, 03:33 AM
Steve here, co-creator of the show. Thanks for the support from those of you who enjoy the show. It's too bad we can't make everyone happy, but at least there's plenty of other shows out there for you guys to enjoy.
And yes, it's safe to say that after 2 years, a Webby Award win and two nominations, and over 25 million views, that we're not going anywhere anytime soon.
Steve here, co-creator of the show. Thanks for the support from those of you who enjoy the show. It's too bad we can't make everyone happy, but at least there's plenty of other shows out there for you guys to enjoy.
And yes, it's safe to say that after 2 years, a Webby Award win and two nominations, and over 25 million views, that we're not going anywhere anytime soon.
I am sure that there are people who enjoy the show. I imagine most of them are not old enough to remember why people stopped using that kind of editing style 20 years ago.
But there's also the issue of repeated content. 90% of the stories I've seen covered on this show have been covered on other Rev3 shows before.
Rather than innovating and filling blatant gaps in the schedule, Jim Louderback seems to be grasping at straws with shows that repeat the same content again and again in a slightly different style.
tokenuser
06-17-2008, 03:12 PM
Rather than innovating and filling blatant gaps in the schedule, Jim Louderback seems to be grasping at straws with shows that repeat the same content again and again in a slightly different style.Right ... because the overlap between the nightly news, celebutainment, Leno, and Conan drive viewers away as well.
There is only so much happening in the world. Nothing wrong with a different perspective on the same topics.
esophagus
06-17-2008, 04:16 PM
I am sure that there are people who enjoy the show. I imagine most of them are not old enough to remember why people stopped using that kind of editing style 20 years ago.
But there's also the issue of repeated content. 90% of the stories I've seen covered on this show have been covered on other Rev3 shows before.
Rather than innovating and filling blatant gaps in the schedule, Jim Louderback seems to be grasping at straws with shows that repeat the same content again and again in a slightly different style.
Or he isn't planning on every Rev3 viewer to view every show they produce.
matsie
06-17-2008, 04:34 PM
Or he isn't planning on every Rev3 viewer to view every show they produce.
That's a good point. I know I certainly don't watch all Rev3 shows, though I watch a pretty good chunk.
Right ... because the overlap between the nightly news, celebutainment, Leno, and Conan drive viewers away as well.
There is only so much happening in the world. Nothing wrong with a different perspective on the same topics.
Are you failing to realize that this is a different form of media distribution and a very different kind of media company or are you purposely being a facetious jerk? Rev3 is a company. Yes, this is true. But they are a company that is almost entirely driven by their content and how popular it is. Because of it's "on-demand" nature, having repetitive content WOULD stop viewers from consumers shows. Television can manage with repetitive content because of its ubiquity and because if you catch it when it's on, you probably won't catch the next show of the same slop. Since I can download 7 Rev3 shows, the content should be a little more diversified.
This isn't saying I agree with dom about Epic-Fu being too repetitious for Rev3. I'm just saying Rev3 as a company should try to have more diversity in content than a TV network. I'm also saying that being facetious and snot when someone makes a valid point will invalidate your point no matter how correct or incorrect it may be.
tokenuser
06-17-2008, 05:40 PM
Are you failing to realize that this is a different form of media distribution and a very different kind of media company or are you purposely being a facetious jerk? Rev3 is a company. Yes, this is true. But they are a company that is almost entirely driven by their content and how popular it is. Because of it's "on-demand" nature, having repetitive content WOULD stop viewers from consumers shows. Television can manage with repetitive content because of its ubiquity and because if you catch it when it's on, you probably won't catch the next show of the same slop. Since I can download 7 Rev3 shows, the content should be a little more diversified. Facetious jerk? No - but you then go on to demonstrate the point. Point I was making was that the content is repeated in different formats that may or may not appeal to different viewers.
The same story can be covered from multiple persepctives. Its popular content for a reason. You might only see two of the Rev3 shows it was discussed, but you can bet the Diggnation will do it differently to popSiren and Internet SuperStar.
Should the shows co-ordinate their content better? Maybe. I don't think the overlap is signifcant enough to worry about ... but exclusive content for a show might work.
The biggest issue Rev3 has is that it is on-demand, but it is not near real time. There are production delays between when shows are scripted (preproduction), filmed, editted, and published.
matsie
06-17-2008, 05:49 PM
Facetious jerk? No - but you then go on to demonstrate the point. Point I was making was that the content is repeated in different formats that may or may not appeal to different viewers.
The same story can be covered from multiple persepctives. Its popular content for a reason. You might only see two of the Rev3 shows it was discussed, but you can bet the Diggnation will do it differently to popSiren and Internet SuperStar.
Should the shows co-ordinate their content better? Maybe. I don't think the overlap is signifcant enough to worry about ... but exclusive content for a show might work.
The biggest issue Rev3 has is that it is on-demand, but it is not near real time. There are production delays between when shows are scripted (preproduction), filmed, editted, and published.
I guess you didn't bother reading my point. When you preface any point you make with a facetious and snotty comment (which you preface most of your points with) people are significantly less likely to actually pay attention to your point, whether it is correct or not.
The formats for Rev3 are near identical. Each show is really looking at the same concepts from just a few degrees shy of another show, which isn't as much of diversified perspectives as you are saying.
esophagus
06-17-2008, 06:29 PM
I really disagree that all perspectives of Rev3 are similar, but thats not what I'm replying to.Rather than innovating and filling blatant gaps in the schedule, Jim Louderback seems to be grasping at straws with shows that repeat the same content again and again in a slightly different style.If you didn't this isn't Episode 2 of Epic-Fu it is Episode 105. They cover their own shit and have been readily abailable to you for years. The similar content between Epic-Fu and Diggnation didn't bother you before it came to the show, and probably wouldn't have even if you had seen it. Just because it changed networks doesn't mean you have to start watching it.
tokenuser
06-17-2008, 06:45 PM
I guess you didn't bother reading my point. When you preface any point you make with a facetious and snotty comment (which you preface most of your points with) people are significantly less likely to actually pay attention to your point, whether it is correct or not.OK. I understand where you are coming from. You might think the comment was facetious or snotty. As a standalone statement, it probably was, but as part of a stream of conversation, it needs to be read in context.
I read your points. I have read all your points.
The formats for Rev3 are near identical. Each show is really looking at the same concepts from just a few degrees shy of another show, which isn't as much of diversified perspectives as you are saying.Let me ask you this:
"What are the 5 top things that happened in the world of online media today?"
Now, how did you read about them or hear about them? Think carefully about the sources. Now think carefully about where THEY got the stories from? Many of them track back to an identical source. When it comes down to it, there isn't that much unique or interesting content coming out online - the material is limited.
Its a shame that GigaOM went on hiatus for medical reasons. Om had a unique perspective on the Web 2.0 business world that was not a regurgitation of other sites.
In another thread you are pushing for alternate content - such as comedy.
That is not EpicFU. To quote the EpicFU "about" page :EPIC FU is all about the things that make us geek out -- the coolest art, tech, and music from the online and offline world. The new popular culture is about the influence of web culture on the mainstream. EPIC FU is a new way of thinking about popular culture -- it's about conversation and interaction. Entertainment is a two-way street now.
Overlap with popSiren? Maybe on the tech. Possibly on the art and music.
Overlap with XLR8R? Maybe on the music, but less likely.
Overlap with Diggnation? Only if the stories on DN a pop culture.
Overlap with ISS? Not a chance.
In the context of this thread, I am still trying to understand your point.
Is EpicFU a failure because it is too similar to other shows, or do you have a bigger axe to grind with Revision3 with respect to content and programming in general?
matsie
06-17-2008, 06:52 PM
I like Epic-Fu. I've been watching for quite a long time.
rokov
06-17-2008, 07:34 PM
Epic Fu is clearly anything but a failure. They're serving a particular niche and the fact that the show is inspiring such heated debate shows that they're doing a pretty damn good job of it. Speaking as an artist, when people either love or hate your work (as seems to be the case with Epic Fu) it invariably means that you're onto something.
esophagus
06-17-2008, 09:34 PM
Edit: I'm just got to keep responding to the same post, until I forget I've already done so three times... Oops...I am sure that there are people who enjoy the show. I imagine most of them are not old enough to remember why people stopped using that kind of editing style 20 years ago.This thread, others like it, and the fanbase that Epic Fu brought to Revision3, tell me that there are plenty of people who enjoy it, and their age is completely irrelevant.
silverblade
07-24-2008, 10:13 PM
I saw one episode of this years ago. I tried to watch a 2nd episode of this recently and...I was bored.
Honestly. This show does not impress me, it does not entertain me and it does not do anything for me. It isn't even that funny!.
We have too many shows like this already.
Epic-Fu?.. nah..Epic-Pu? maybe
Sorry you feel that way Silverblade.
Our main rule is to create stuff we like and share what makes us excited. We think we have something very unique on our hands -- the way we incorporate our community into the show, hide hidden clues and play ARGS, highlight independent artist and musicians, interview kick-ass people who are using the web as an alternative to the mainstream... the list goes on and on... this is more than just a show to us. Our plans span far into the future.
This show is definitely not for everyone, but we put nothing but heart and soul into all we do... and we're never afraid to experiment. We get constant emails from indie artists, musicians, programmers and generally cool people thanking us for introducing them to a different audience. And THAT makes it all worthwhile.