Michael richards reacts *badly* to heckler

[bcool]

I know this isn't a digg mirror, but hoooly shiiit!! Kramer! Say it aint so!
http://pdl.stream.aol.com/aol/us/aolentertainment/30mz/2006_11/1120_richards_2_dl.mov

[sloppybunny]

I know this isn't a digg mirror, but hoooly shiiit!! Kramer! Say it aint so!
http://pdl.stream.aol.com/aol/us/aolentertainment/30mz/2006_11/1120_richards_2_dl.mov

Well, that was dissapointing. I've seen him interviews though, and he was nowhere near as appealing as the character he plays :(

[dromeonyourchest]

So much for a Seinfeld reunion.....

[hive]

rofl Jesus Christ.

this is ****ing hilarious!!! in a terribly frightening way! look at everyone leaving, wow. just screaming at the top of his lungs. damn, crazy.

[divadawg9234]

oh yeah, I heard about this on my radio show this morning...

[phatlip12]

Wow, thats disappointing. He hope he got his ass beat in the parking lot for that one.

[sloppybunny]

I like it how the crowd doesn't realize at first what's going on as a bunch were laughing

[losojosdemuerte]

Well, I just saw the video on TMZ.com and I believe he just killed whatever career was left for him.

R.I.P.

Michael Richards

[briangilmore]

At first I think he was kidding. He was trying to make people laugh, cause his bit is actually kind of like that. Not calling people the n-word, but just being the way he is, which can be bipolar. I think if the black guy hadn't taken it so personally, it would've gone better, but Michael Richards, dude, that would've been your only chance.

He effed up big time. biiiiiiiig time. This is like the point in movies when some star is having a really hard time, gets into drugs, disregards his family, then has a breakdown on stage like that. We're in the latter half of the second act of Michael Richards' life. Goooooooood luck now. Man. Crazy.

[jonathanlondon]

Wow. UHF will never be the same again.

When I was interviewing people in line for the PS3 with Vijay a woman asked me if I was prejudiced because I hadn't interviewed her and her kids yet. We just hadn't gotten to them in line but definitely planned to. She was so accusatory and mean to us that we got in a short argument in front of everyone (that we didn't tape) and ended up interviewing everyone but her. The segment will be on episode 53 and you can literally tell the before arguing and after arguing JLo because it really took it out of me that someone would accuse me of being a racist like that. I was pretty upset by it and when you see the segment you'll see that I interviewed plenty of people of various ethnicities. It wasn't about race and the PS3. It was just about the PS3 and being a geek knows no colors, right? It's a shame I couldn't talk to her kids because I would have loved their perspectives and excitement but not because they were black. Just 'cuz they were geeks like us and obviously not ebaying the systems at 14 years old. They were really excited to play them.

After seeing this obvious racism from Michael Richards I can't see how someone could go after me like that woman did.

Yes, people talking during your set at a comedy show is extremely rude and they should be told to stop or removed. No, you should not berate them based on the color of their skin. That's ridiculous. He's gonna take a huge hit on this one and should.

Unless you're Thundercat. Then it's just the way you were raised and we all love him and will help him along...

[phatlip12]

At first I think he was kidding. He was trying to make people laugh, cause his bit is actually kind of like that. Not calling people the n-word, but just being the way he is, which can be bipolar. I think if the black guy hadn't taken it so personally, it would've gone better, but Michael Richards, dude, that would've been your only chance.

He effed up big time. biiiiiiiig time. This is like the point in movies when some star is having a really hard time, gets into drugs, disregards his family, then has a breakdown on stage like that. We're in the latter half of the second act of Michael Richards' life. Goooooooood luck now. Man. Crazy.

Na, he went over the line. He thought he could say whatever he wanted and then end it with "Im a comedian, its a joke".

[sloppybunny]

Jonathan I know you don't listen to old episodes of geekdrome, but a friend I've introduced to geekdrome is making me listen to old episodes. You my friend are a hypocrite! You hate Australians! First you diss the boomerang shaped PS3 pad that never really happened, then you dissed our man Brian Brown. Which I'm all cool with as Brian Brown isn't that cool down here either. You seem to have something against us Aussies as an ethnic group of people as a whole though.

We're not all bad, we gave you Alex Proyas, he's cool, no? and AC/DC?

[soundwave2-0]

Jonathan I know you don't listen to old episodes of geekdrome, but a friend I've introduced to geekdrome is making me listen to old episodes. You my friend are a hypocrite! You hate Australians! First you diss the boomerang shaped PS3 pad that never really happened, then you dissed our man Brian Brown. Which I'm all cool with as Brian Brown isn't that cool down here either. You seem to have something against us Aussies as an ethnic group of people as a whole though.

We're not all bad, we gave you Alex Proyas, he's cool, no? and AC/DC?

actually...i am sure he is like a lot of us here. we just don't think about austraila enough to have anything against it. kind of like canada...but even further removed. we just know about you guys mainly due to your kangaroos, paul hogan, boomarangs, dingos, nicole kidman, and shrimp on barbies. lol. seriously...we just wonder how you guys don't fall off the earth down there. gravity bending mo fos.


trust us...we have seen wolf creek...we know not to mess with you too much.

[originx]

Unless you're Thundercat. Then it's just the way you were raised and we all love him and will help him along...


Ouch! That's gotta hurt!

[kowgod]

Jonathan I know you don't listen to old episodes of geekdrome, but a friend I've introduced to geekdrome is making me listen to old episodes. You my friend are a hypocrite! You hate Australians! First you diss the boomerang shaped PS3 pad that never really happened, then you dissed our man Brian Brown. Which I'm all cool with as Brian Brown isn't that cool down here either. You seem to have something against us Aussies as an ethnic group of people as a whole though.

We're not all bad, we gave you Alex Proyas, he's cool, no? and AC/DC?

Yahoo Serious Festival? I know those words, but that sentence doesn't make sense to me!

[sloppybunny]

actually...i am sure he is like a lot of us here. we just don't think about austraila enough to have anything against it. kind of like canada...but even further removed. we just know about you guys mainly due to your kangaroos, paul hogan, boomarangs, dingos, nicole kidman, and shrimp on barbies. lol. seriously...we just wonder how you guys don't fall off the earth down there. gravity bending mo fos.


trust us...we have seen wolf creek...we know not to mess with you too much.

Two hands is a good film amd it has Brian Brown in it, even if he is a doush, but Heith Ledger is in it too. And it was shot two suburbs away from my house! The Matrix was shot just down the street, so that's probably has more street cred

Actually I got the vibe that there was an outright comical hate towards our cricket playing arse, but maybe i read too much into those early episodes. My friend pointed it out and I haven't listened to those episodes before, but I have now, and I'm kinda feeling like that poor lady who dragged her son out to the PS3 launch so she can teach him a lesson about eBay I presume.


Ps, beside Kylie Minogue and Olivia Newton John, and maybe vegemite there isn't much more to Australia, unless you like sports with sweaty men.

[soundwave2-0]

Two hands is a good film amd it has Brian Brown in it, even if he is a doush, but Heith Ledger is in it too. And it was shot two suburbs away from my house! The Matrix was shot just down the street, so that's probably has more street cred

Actually I got the vibe that there was an outright comical hate towards our cricket playing arse, but maybe i read too much into those early episodes. My friend pointed it out and I haven't listened to those episodes before, but I have now, and I'm kinda feeling like that poor lady who dragged her son out to the PS3 launch so she can teach him a lesson about eBay I presume.


Ps, beside Kylie Minogue and Olivia Newton John, and maybe vegemite there isn't much more to Australia, unless you like sports with sweaty men.

oh and you guys say "aluminum" funny.

it's funny that there was a feeling that he hated austrailia.

i guess people just assume that other people think about them more than they actually do...like the woman in the ps3 line thinking Jlo is actually going out of his way not to interview her.

i have a friend that is black. i never really think of her as black until she says something about the fact. making comments like "my black ass"..."why do white people really like mayonaise?"..."black" this and "black that". i finally told her...if you worry about people just seeing you as just a "black" woman...don't let that be the only way you describe yourself.

i think samuel l jackson said the way to end rasicm is to stop talking about it so much...i kind of agree with that...the other way is for us all to breed so much we are just one race...that way sounds more fun. i call dibbs on beyonce.

[jonathanlondon]

And Baz Luhrman. That's really funny. I love Aussies. In a stricly "love F'ing with them until they go all Wolf Creek on my ass" sort of way.

[tokenuser]

Ps, beside Kylie Minogue and Olivia Newton John, and maybe vegemite there isn't much more to Australia, unless you like sports with sweaty men. ... and the occassional Rev3 mod that talks funny, and makes a killer Pavlova, and we all know that nothing says traditional thankgiving feast like a glazed baked ham, roast veggies, and a pavlova for dessert. If I'd been in LA, I would have brought a Pav or 10 to the picnic.

BTW - Not all Aussies like Vegemite. My wife loves it, I can't stand it ... and its not because the stuff is black.

[hive]

Wow. UHF will never be the same again.

When I was interviewing people in line for the PS3 with Vijay a woman asked me if I was prejudiced because I hadn't interviewed her and her kids yet.

that's terrible. i think people in general these days tend to walk on eggshells as Buxomia put it. some people are so used to others trying to be politically correct and "careful" that they get it in their head like they've got the right to accuse people of prejudice. not to mention that such accusations are hardly ever dismissed in this day and age, and the accused have to go through hell to prove otherwise. we see it in the media all the time.

that woman was definitely in the wrong, and it sucks that you might not have enjoyed the rest of the interviews because of her attitude problems. i wish people would just loosen the hell up!

[sloppybunny]

And Baz Luhrman. That's really funny. I love Aussies. In a stricly "love F'ing with them until they go all Wolf Creek on my ass" sort of way.

It is most likely I would go all Priscilla Queen of the Desert!

[jonathanlondon]

that woman was definitely in the wrong, and it sucks that you might not have enjoyed the rest of the interviews because of her attitude problems. i wish people would just loosen the hell up!

My concern was for YOU guys to enjoy the rest of the interviews and with everyone looking at me after that argument I had to tone back some of my racier jokes and questions and that just sucked. I think it'll still be a pretty funny segment but it would have been better I think if I hadn't been forced to second guess myself.

[soundwave2-0]

used to have seperate water fountains, schools, bathrooms, pools, and sections on buses. not being interviewed in a podcast right way does not make you a victim of racsim.

if MLK was there he prolly would have slaped that woman and said "B*tch!? Have you lost your mind? In my day we had to stand in a seperate line!"

but speaking of racism...

http://www.amagarea.com/imgB/QAPRZTCITGEGXHT.jpg


michael richards should just start an all white magazine and call it "ivory".

[tokenuser]

I gotta ask - why was she all over the black PS3, ignoring the white Wii??
No love for the Wii??

[soundwave2-0]

I gotta ask - why was she all over the black PS3, ignoring the white Wii??
No love for the Wii??

cause you can't buy the Wii with foodstamps...

[fushna]

OOOOOOh Snap

[sloppybunny]

I gotta ask - why was she all over the black PS3, ignoring the white Wii??
No love for the Wii??

In all my experiences in America I never encountered these sensitive people, but when I meet people like this here in Oz i can be pretty sure they don't have guns. You shouldn't let these people bother you JLo. As long as you don't pull the shit Kramer just did, dickheads will allways exist, and if a Black Lady can afford to buy her son a PS3 on launch, she ain't sufferin' nuffin'.

[soundwave2-0]

In all my experiences in America I never encountered these sensitive people, but when I meet people like this here in Oz i can be pretty sure they don't have guns. You shouldn't let these people bother you JLo. As long as you don't pull the shit Kramer just did, dickheads will allways exist, and if a Black Lady can afford to buy her son a PS3 on launch, she ain't sufferin' nuffin'.

lay-away...

[tokenuser]

In all my experiences in America I never encountered these sensitive people, but when I meet people like this here in Oz i can be pretty sure they don't have guns. I know things have vchanged since I left Oz (Cronulla last summer for instance), but colour never made a difference ... you weren't African Australian, Irish Australian, Chinese Australian, Lebanese Australian, etc., first and formost you were Australian. Any other racial affiliation was secondary to that. In line with a bunch of geeks - it would have been all about the tech, rather than why aren't you talkin to me and my kids. I've been living in the US for about 9 years now, and the whole politically correct crap just keeps getting worse.

FFS you are all Americans, and I agree with Sam Jackson, racism only matters to those that keep playing the race card - great example that woman was setting her kids. You just know that black woman was slamming the indian guy and the nondescript whitish guy doing the interviews keeping her people down, and not letting her represent on camera.

[jonathanlondon]

cause you can't buy the Wii with foodstamps...

HOLY. SHIT. That's all I can say. Wow. That was insane. I laughed out loud for all the totally wrong reasons.

[narco]

God, that was painful to watch. I know he's a smart dude, so I don't know why he would do something like this. I'd rather put up with overall stupidity than racism any day.

[kowgod]

Let's not make asses out of ourselves, here, either.

[soundwave2-0]

Let's not make asses out of ourselves, here, either.

i don't think any of us here are really racist...i think the humor actually is in the people who carry true racist feelings...like thundercat and michael richards. making fun of the sterotypes themselves isn't the same thing as hating a whole racial group. i know not all black people love fried chicken and water melon...some of them are still eating baby food.

[xxxthundercatxxx]

I knew I shouldn't have used the same PR company as Sony.

[r3v]

And THAT'S the real reason there weren't any black main characters on Seinfeld. I heard, originally, that George was supposed to be played by Damon Wayans but Michael Richards showed up to the first rehersal in a hood. :( Some people.

[sloppybunny]

I know things have vchanged since I left Oz (Cronulla last summer for instance), but colour never made a difference ... you weren't African Australian, Irish Australian, Chinese Australian, Lebanese Australian, etc., first and formost you were Australian. Any other racial affiliation was secondary to that. In line with a bunch of geeks - it would have been all about the tech, rather than why aren't you talkin to me and my kids. I've been living in the US for about 9 years now, and the whole politically correct crap just keeps getting worse.

FFS you are all Americans, and I agree with Sam Jackson, racism only matters to those that keep playing the race card - great example that woman was setting her kids. You just know that black woman was slamming the indian guy and the nondescript whitish guy doing the interviews keeping her people down, and not letting her represent on camera.

I actually found it quite the opposite. I found highschool to be a stew for racial intolerance. See when I grew up in Hungary you hung out with people who dressed similarly to you as you most likely had a common interest. Since we had school unform in oz you could see this group of recs sticking together. The Asians with asians, The hindu and srilankans and pakistanies tigether. The aussie guys, and the wogs. Although most of the wogs were australian born with ethnic parents. I spoke rubbish english and the Indians were the only ones not to beat me up. I actually put highschool life sucking down to me. Also in the late 80s and 90s Hungary didn't have many races, only whites and gipsies and they didn't go to school.

Also maybe because I live in the city the tolerance is at a super high level to keep the tourist dollar going and whatnot, but I honestly don't know where the Cronulla riots come from. It would have been just a bunch dumb gangs being stupid. Especially as I would imagine beach bound wogs usually hang around Bondi. Still it's weird that when I'm here I find the need to be labeled Hungarian as something doesn't quite fit and I've been here for 13 years now, but in Europe I feel Australian.

Beside a couple of homeless aboriginals claiming my soviet repressed ancestors stole their land, I honestly don't feel real race problems. Then again being a white straight male and a lot of people these days don't pick my eastern block accent (BTW JLo I haven't addressed your wild accusations of eastern europeans throwing tomatoes, we make porn, it's the spanish who throuw tomatoes;) ) I don't get harrased.

Funny thing about America. Apparantly it's all degrading to sit in the back of the bus there (I don't think that stigma still exists, does it?). I always sit in the back of the bus. I feel like I can be sneaky there and eat food while nobody is watching.

[viscountradu]

Howard Stern he is not.

[soundwave2-0]

I actually found it quite the opposite. I found highschool to be a stew for racial intolerance. See when I grew up in Hungary you hung out with people who dressed similarly to you as you most likely had a common interest. Since we had school unform in oz you could see this group of recs sticking together. The Asians with asians, The hindu and srilankans and pakistanies tigether. The aussie guys, and the wogs. Although most of the wogs were australian born with ethnic parents. I spoke rubbish english and the Indians were the only ones not to beat me up. I actually put highschool life sucking down to me. Also in the late 80s and 90s Hungary didn't have many races, only whites and gipsies and they didn't go to school.

Also maybe because I live in the city the tolerance is at a super high level to keep the tourist dollar going and whatnot, but I honestly don't know where the Cronulla riots come from. It would have been just a bunch dumb gangs being stupid. Especially as I would imagine beach bound wogs usually hang around Bondi. Still it's weird that when I'm here I find the need to be labeled Hungarian as something doesn't quite fit and I've been here for 13 years now, but in Europe I feel Australian.

Beside a couple of homeless aboriginals claiming my soviet repressed ancestors stole their land, I honestly don't feel real race problems. Then again being a white straight male and a lot of people these days don't pick my eastern block accent (BTW JLo I haven't addressed your wild accusations of eastern europeans throwing tomatoes, we make porn, it's the spanish who throuw tomatoes;) ) I don't get harrased.

Funny thing about America. Apparantly it's all degrading to sit in the back of the bus there (I don't think that stigma still exists, does it?). I always sit in the back of the bus. I feel like I can be sneaky there and eat food while nobody is watching.

no sitting in the back of the bus is the cool thing to do. my bus driver would punish us by making us sit up front. hell...sitting in the back meant you were more likely to get a blow job...so no...not the same as it used to be over here.

[sloppybunny]

my bus rides are ****in' boring! I play with my phone :(

[kowgod]

There is an interesting bit of research being done at Harvard called the Implicit Association Test. Any fans of American Scientific Frontiers may have seen this project covered by Alan Alda on that show.

What the project aims to uncover is just how much our underlying, subconcious preferences about race and gender affect our day to day lives in ways we may not even realize.

You can actually take part in the actual, ongoing research by visiting https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/

To participate you will have to register, and I suggest registering using legitimate, honest answers, so as to actually help advance the research.

The test is fairly simple, yet interesting. And depending on how honest you are with yourself, it may show you some things you didn't realize.

Be prepared to spend about 10 to 15 minutes on it when you can focus and avoid interruptions.

[xxxthundercatxxx]

There is an interesting bit of research being done at Harvard called the Implicit Association Test. Any fans of American Scientific Frontiers may have seen this project covered by Alan Alda on that show.

What the project aims to uncover is just how much our underlying, subconcious preferences about race and gender affect our day to day lives in ways we may not even realize.

You can actually take part in the actual, ongoing research by visiting https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/

To participate you will have to register, and I suggest registering using legitimate, honest answers, so as to actually help advance the research.

The test is fairly simple, yet interesting. And depending on how honest you are with yourself, it may show you some things you didn't realize.

Be prepared to spend about 10 to 15 minutes on it when you can focus and avoid interruptions.

I did the race one and it said I have a moderate preference towards white people. I did get confused when some of the buttons were switched around because I didn't read the text, but I agree with their findings anyways.

[blues]

Well heres my 2 sense worth.. I dont blame him for wanting to dis the hecklers (in fact he should have)... and when ur up on the stage u gotta have that comeback asap, and he just played the obvious race angle... His comebacks sucked and got frustrated and went overboard...

I think it was just a heat of the moment thing... unlike Mel who actually has it in for the jews...

[soundwave2-0]

Well heres my 2 sense worth.. I dont blame him for wanting to dis the hecklers (in fact he should have)... and when ur up on the stage u gotta have that comeback asap, and he just played the obvious race angle... His comebacks sucked and got frustrated and went overboard...

I think it was just a heat of the moment thing... unlike Mel who actually has it in for the jews...

what two sense? smell and touch? oh you meant 2 cents...i get it now...:)

[blues]

what two sense? smell and touch? oh you meant 2 cents...i get it now...:)

Microsoft gotta create some new checking feature in future products to prevent people like me from looking that stupid due to typing...

That's Y"spell check" has created a better society. We can bee much more efficient than we ever where before. I hated having to go through my reports and chequing them for errors inn spelling.

[elfoxio]

This is how your suppose to do it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xbJ8QhE8Us

[soundwave2-0]

This is how your suppose to do it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xbJ8QhE8Us

is that deadpool in your avatar...feeling my alter ego starting to come out...AHHHH...that f'ing soundwave has me under lock and key. i need to get away. crap..he's coming back...gotta go.

damn it deadpool...i got rid of you for a reason.

[slowmtnsilhouette]

is that deadpool in your avatar...feeling my alter ego starting to come out...AHHHH...that f'ing soundwave has me under lock and key. i need to get away. crap..he's coming back...gotta go.

damn it deadpool...i got rid of you for a reason.

you never fail to crack me up my best friend/twin/clone...

[hive]

rofl, that bill hicks video was actually funny though. he went way over the top but he somehow pulled it together and kept people laughing. somehow it's not as bad.

[guybers]

Holy shit, I just watched that Michael Richards video for the first time, that is some serious pent up rage and frustration being released there. You never know about people, just when you think we got this race thing headed in the right direction, you see eye-opening examples to let you know that it is still there, bubbling under the surface.

[vegasgeek]

Richards is now a piece of sh!t in my book. someone who has been in comedy for a while can't come up with a better slam than that of race, doesn't deserve a mic ever again.

[djhyjak]

Kramer lost it, he fudd up big time but i dont think he's racist. He like most people in this country has a lil bigot inside him. His career is over and thats a shame cause he's funny.The sad thing is this country is so polarized by race that we cant tell when some one is truly racist, a bigot, or just prejudice, There is a difference.

Take Soundwave for example and his use of the black enterprise cover to point out reverse racism. I know the reason he thinks its racist is because it focuses on one race. Doing that made him just like the woman that gave JLO a hard time , But if he knew why the mag existed and what was in it he wouldn't jump to conclusions like that. In all honesty there tends to be more latinos in so called black publications now days.

I'm hungry so I'll finish this later, time for some WHITE Castles.

[guybers]

Kramer lost it, he fudd up big time but i dont think he's racist. He like most people in this country has a lil bigot inside him. His career is over and thats a shame cause he's funny.The sad thing is this country is so polarized by race that we cant tell when some one is truly racist, a bigot, or just prejudice, There is a difference.

Take Soundwave for example and his use of the black enterprise cover to point out reverse racism. I know the reason he thinks its racist is because it focuses on one race. Doing that made him just like the woman that gave JLO a hard time , But if he knew why the mag existed and what was in it he wouldn't jump to conclusions like that. In all honesty there tends to be more latinos in so called black publications now days.

I'm hungry so I'll finish this later, time for some WHITE Castles.

I don't know son, I think he may have been the inspiration for Flipper, or as I know him, 'James, the n***a hatin dolphin'. Rin-tin-richards is raaaaacist!

[moshi_what]

actually...i am sure he is like a lot of us here. we just don't think about austraila enough to have anything against it. kind of like canada...but even further removed. we just know about you guys mainly due to your kangaroos, paul hogan, boomarangs, dingos, nicole kidman, and shrimp on barbies. lol. seriously...we just wonder how you guys don't fall off the earth down there. gravity bending mo fos.


trust us...we have seen wolf creek...we know not to mess with you too much.

Ugh...ppl!~ Whats up with the bloody "shrimp on the barbie"?! We call them "prawns"! Shrimp is the punny crap lil things. How many times do I have to explain it to an American. Btw...thanx sloppybunny for posting my opinion on jLo's aussie rant in past episodes *sarcasm*. You were very subtle at accusing the dude. But its all good that its cleared up. (cause I was annoyed!)

Also, sloppybunny...considering your excessively long post on culture and stuff...you really need to enroll in a Arts/Liberal Arts degree to release all that onto paper. :p

[invaderzim]

wow. bout time somebody said it. Just kidding!

ROFL

I dont mind racisim one bit. This shit happens to white people all the time. BUT i dont condone being a ****ing asshole in an audiance full of people. Richards is done as a thanksgiving turkey

[sloppybunny]

Ugh...ppl!~ Whats up with the bloody "shrimp on the barbie"?! We call them "prawns"! Shrimp is the punny crap lil things. How many times do I have to explain it to an American. Btw...thanx sloppybunny for posting my opinion on jLo's aussie rant in past episodes *sarcasm*. You were very subtle at accusing the dude. But its all good that its cleared up. (cause I was annoyed!)

Also, sloppybunny...considering your excessively long post on culture and stuff...you really need to enroll in a Arts/Liberal Arts degree to release all that onto paper. :p

I'm not doing any more uni :P I'm just going to be that old man in the pub talking about god knows what for ours on end to god knows who ;)

[iggystar]

Does racism still exist? Of course it does. It's just not as openly expressed as in the past. I believe that times have changed, laws have changed, persons have become more educated, less intolerant, less fearful of people who are different from themselves. But since racist feelings lay deep within it will never be completely iradicated.

As overt racism dies down there has been a rebound effect. This has bred what I'll call a type of racial paranoia. I've seen it many times among peers of ethnic backgrounds. When confronted with a person of a different race, they will take ordinary situations and think they are being treated unfairly because of race. I have many times asked people..."are you sure that person was being racist, or just being a prick?" But you guys know all of this. That's what unfortunately happened to Jlo. You should have had me there in the shadows and brought me out as your girlfriend to see the look of shock on her face.

Do I think Richards is racist? No more than any average person, we all have a bit of it in us. The "n" word uttered is hurtful, but the fact that he used it in such desparation and that he was completely unfunny in his attempt makes it almost sad.

[soundwave2-0]

Kramer lost it, he fudd up big time but i dont think he's racist. He like most people in this country has a lil bigot inside him. His career is over and thats a shame cause he's funny.The sad thing is this country is so polarized by race that we cant tell when some one is truly racist, a bigot, or just prejudice, There is a difference.

Take Soundwave for example and his use of the black enterprise cover to point out reverse racism. I know the reason he thinks its racist is because it focuses on one race. Doing that made him just like the woman that gave JLO a hard time , But if he knew why the mag existed and what was in it he wouldn't jump to conclusions like that. In all honesty there tends to be more latinos in so called black publications now days.

I'm hungry so I'll finish this later, time for some WHITE Castles.

ummm..actually pointing out the black enterprises magazine doesn't make me like that woman that confronted jlo at all. he wasn't hosting a podcast segment called "let's see what white people think about the ps3".

that magazine IS down right racist. is it bad racism? that's a different conversation. the fact the underlying premise of the magazine is geared to a specific race...excluding others...is racist.

[iggystar]

that magazine IS down right racist. is it bad racism? that's a different conversation. the fact the underlying premise of the magazine is geared to a specific race...excluding others...is racist.

I don't agree. This magazine is just like any other. It's about a specific group of people, a specific subject -- it's not about black beauty queens, or latina mud wrestlers, or hot rod cars...is a magazine supposed to be all-encompassing based on every subject ever known to man so as to no leave out any race, religion or subject? When you say the word.."racist" that's a bad connotation no matter how you put it. The magazine is subject specific, they all are.

[tokenuser]

I am with you iggy. Not a racist magazine - just not one I would buy.

Would you call Cosmo sexist because it targets women? Nope - just a different target market.

[soundwave2-0]

I don't agree. This magazine is just like any other. It's about a specific group of people, a specific subject -- it's not about black beauty queens, or latina mud wrestlers, or hot rod cars...is a magazine supposed to be all-encompassing based on every subject ever known to man so as to no leave out any race, religion or subject? When you say the word.."racist" that's a bad connotation no matter how you put it. The magazine is subject specific, they all are.

so would you consider an all black beauty pagent racisit? what about a "blasian one"? lol. graham should get that joke.

i guess i really don't know that magazine that well. i just took it to be like a local magazine that i see ads for all the time. it is basically a directory for all businesses owned by black people. that pisses me off because why would you pick your car dealer or your accountant on skin color alone? isn't that racist?

i understand magazines for health and beauty and stuff like that geared to different races...cause we need different things in different areas. but an all black money magazine just seems retarded.

one final question because i hate this topic like i hate chinese people...that was a joke btw. if there was a magazine for just for white people...would that be racist? if not we can start one and call it "white's only".

"What's a Nubian?"

[soundwave2-0]

http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/stuck_together_6.jpg

[iggystar]

:p
that pisses me off because why would you pick your car dealer or your accountant on skin color alone? isn't that racist?

i understand magazines for health and beauty and stuff like that geared to different races...cause we need different things in different areas. but an all black money magazine just seems retarded.

one final question because i hate this topic like i hate chinese people...that was a joke btw. if there was a magazine for just for white people...would that be racist? if not we can start one and call it "white's only".

"What's a Nubian?"

Dude, most magazines are white only! That's why we had to go and do Black Enterprise, Jet and Essence. Black Enterprise is bascially a business magazine...and I personally would buy the magazine to see which businesses not to support. :p

[soundwave2-0]

:p

Dude, most magazines are white only! That's why we had to go and do Black Enterprise, Jet and Essence. Black Enterprise is bascially a business magazine...and I personally would buy the magazine to see which businesses not to support. :p

i was waiting for the "most magazines are white only" comment.

f*ck this though...lol...i hate talking about this as much as i hate talking about politics. how about me an iggy join a talent show and sing "ebony and ivory". we can win first place for sure.

[guybers]

This conversation fascinates and disturbs me. Despite the need for an open dialog, I am not sure a forum like this is the place for this conversation. Anytime you allow people to hide behind some avatar, you will find them saying things they would never say to someone, face to face. I miss Dave Chappelle's extraordinary commentary on all racial stereotypes, he was responsible for some great conversations I have had with people of many different races. I think we need a social commentator like Mr. Chappelle to expose the viewpoints of all sides on issues such as Michael Richards ridiculous outburst.

[dromeonyourchest]

12% of the population in the US, 44% of the population in jail........

Is stating facts racist?

[soundwave2-0]

This conversation fascinates and disturbs me. Despite the need for an open dialog, I am not sure a forum like this is the place for this conversation. Anytime you allow people to hide behind some avatar, you will find them saying things they would never say to someone, face to face. I miss Dave Chappelle's extraordinary commentary on all racial stereotypes, he was responsible for some great conversations I have had with people of many different races. I think we need a social commentator like Mr. Chappelle to expose the viewpoints of all sides on issues such as Michael Richards ridiculous outburst.

lol...we are not hiding behind avatars noob. this is a conversation i have had with many of my black friends. if you don't dance around topics and get to the heart of things it gives you a better chance to see it from the other side.

i hope iggy doesn't take what i say that seriously. i truely believe...blacker the berry the sweeter the juice...lol.

[point5o]

Wow, geeks talking about racism is about as exciting as geeks talking about politics. Honestly, this wasn't a big deal. Sudden unfocused rage and comedy don't mix...moving on.


so would you consider an all black beauty pagent racisit? what about a "blasian one"? lol. graham should get that joke.


No, that's just celebrating ethnic pride. There are different standards of beauty in different ethnicities.

i guess i really don't know that magazine that well. i just took it to be like a local magazine that i see ads for all the time. it is basically a directory for all businesses owned by black people. that pisses me off because why would you pick your car dealer or your accountant on skin color alone? isn't that racist?

No, it's not racist. It has to do with trust and sharing a common experience. Do you consider Chinatowns racist? White people have no idea how hard it is for minorities to trust them.


one final question because i hate this topic like i hate chinese people...that was a joke btw.

We hate you too...that wasn't a joke.

that magazine IS down right racist. is it bad racism? that's a different conversation. the fact the underlying premise of the magazine is geared to a specific race...excluding others...is racist.

Most people still don't know the definition or have a full understanding of racism is...sad but not suprising.

I'm glad Kramer said what he said.
And I'm glad I got a chance to hear it.
And I'm glad I got a chance to read all these comments about it.
And I'm still gonna watch Seinfeld and laugh at it.
The show was about 4 shallow selfish people who didn't care about anything but themselves living their lives in New York.
There was a message behind that show and that's why they all get locked up in the last episode.
Black people with the word ******/a are starting to act like women with the word *****.
If you act like a nigga/*****, don't get mad if I call you one.
I guarentee you 2 black guys were @ that show saw Kramer get heckled and thought in the back of their minds
"This nigga. ****ing up the whole show"
Its funny that black folk get all upset when someone from another race calls them a ******, but they don't give a **** when someone treats them like 1.

I feel weird for agreeing with this dude but I do agree.

[iggystar]

i hope iggy doesn't take what i say that seriously. i truely believe...blacker the berry the sweeter the juice...lol.

You guys know me...I'm not hypersensitive. I know how to take a joke and see things in perspective.

...and you know it. Now let's go rehearse for that duet. ;)


And dromeonyourchest...exactly what was your point? You can state "facts" and what does that mean about me? You know what? Don't even bother answering...I don't know you well enough to even care.

[iggystar]

I feel weird for agreeing with this dude but I do agree.

I agreed with you until then. That word should be banned from everyone's vocabulary, black, white or purple. It has a specific meaning which is demeaning and hurtful. Those persons were acting like asses and there are myriads of words in the dictionary that could be used to call out such behavior.

And when in the hell did it become inappropriate to heckle comedians anyway? That's how you sharpen your skills in the comedy circuit. And as I mentioned the worse part of the crime is he wasn't funny. Time to get some new material, watch some Richard Pryor if you must feel the need to use the word..use it funny.

[kowgod]

that magazine IS down right racist. is it bad racism? that's a different conversation.

Remember, though, that racism is the belief that race is the primary determining factor for certain human traits, and that having those specific traits leads to superiority over other races.

Black Enterprises magazine is not saying that black people possess certain business traits that make black people superior businessmen over white people (or anyone else). Rather, it is a magazine targeted towards a certain demographic who may, arguably, be at a disadvantage in the business world, and therefore need a magazine geared towards their specific needs. Needs which are different from those of a white business owner, or asian, or indian, or what have you.

There is no "good" racism and "bad" racism. Racism is what it is. Racism, and bigotry in general, is a scourge very much alive in our society, and we owe it to those before us, ourselves, and those after us to recognize that fact and do whatever possible we can to eliminate it.

[iggystar]

Remember, though...

Racism is what it is. Racism, and bigotry in general, is a scourge very much alive in our society, and we owe it to those before us, ourselves, and those after us to recognize that fact and do whatever possible we can to eliminate it.

That could be one of the most reasonable, eloquent and insightful posts that I've read in this forum.

[kowgod]

12% of the population in the US, 44% of the population in jail........

Is stating facts racist?

No, but depending on the intent behind it, it could be. Or it could be disinformation, or misinformation. Or even ignorance.

No single race possesses a crime gene. At least not to my knowledge.

Some may look at your "fact" and assume black people are criminals. Some may look at it and lament the socio-political reasons behind those numbers.

It all depends on the context in which a person was informed of that fact.

[soundwave2-0]

i am just going to put what point5o said in quotes....




"No, that's just celebrating ethnic pride. There are different standards of beauty in different ethnicities."

Dude...I am totally fine with each race having a beauty pagent. I would just like someone to admit that if there was an Miss White USA there would be an uproar over it. Granted many years ago some white people wouldn't let minorities in things like that....but it is a different world now. Most of those people are dead.






"No, it's not racist. It has to do with trust and sharing a common experience. Do you consider Chinatowns racist? White people have no idea how hard it is for minorities to trust them."

No problem with Chinatowns at all. No problem with Chinese restaurants or places like that either. If going to a minority based business is just about sharing common experiences...maybe said person should branch out of their comfort zone. Start by reading a money magazine that revolves around money and not skin tone.

Minorities have no clue how little white people see them as minorities.






"We hate you too...that wasn't a joke."

Oh no...did you play a joke? Did you put pee pee in my Coke? Come on...seriously...you know it was a joke. Get over it. I can't even tell the difference between Chinese people and Japanese people...how am i supposed to hate them?







"Most people still don't know the definition or have a full understanding of racism is...sad but not suprising."

rac·ism (rā'sĭz'əm) pronunciation
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.




I f*cking know what it means. Just because it isn't a white person doing it doesn't make it less true. Take the phrase "reverse discrimination". Why isn't is just discrimination? Rasicm goes both ways.




Can we just let this sh*t die now?

[soundwave2-0]

getting back on topic...did you see michael richards on letterman last night? ppl were laughing at first casue the y thought it was a joke. sienfeld had to tell them to stop laughing. the whole thing was crazy.

[bcool]

getting back on topic...did you see michael richards on letterman last night? ppl were laughing at first casue the y thought it was a joke. sienfeld had to tell them to stop laughing. the whole thing was crazy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNNiMOGKThg

[point5o]

maybe said person should branch out of their comfort zone.

That's funny since none of us will venture out to the other sections of this site.
"We hate you too...that wasn't a joke."

Oh no...did you play a joke? Did you put pee pee in my Coke? Come on...seriously...you know it was a joke. Get over it. I can't even tell the difference between Chinese people and Japanese people...how am i supposed to hate them?

I know it was a joke. You can't tell mine wasn't?


I f*cking know what it means. Just because it isn't a white person doing it doesn't make it less true. Take the phrase "reverse discrimination". Why isn't is just discrimination? Rasicm goes both ways.




Can we just let this sh*t die now?

You got that definition from a white dictionary.[/Farakahn] Now, I have do disagree with you on racism going both ways. You need power to take away opportunity keep an entire people stifled. So until other races have significant power in government and economics, only whites can be racist. Just calling someone a cracker is not racist.

[satori]

he's gonna go get a job with Andrew Dice Clay now.

[soundwave2-0]

man i hope you can go w/o having the last word...because i can't and i already hate this thread more than i hate austraila.


1. We don't venture out of this forum section cause the others are dead. If we all did it would be us talking about the same stuff other places. Which would suck.

2. Okay...if you weren't joking you must have been playing a trick...you must have put ajax on you d*ck.


3. The pages on that dictionary were white...but the words were all black. Do you have a better dictionary "rying" around?

4. Yes...because ALL white people have such great power. You know what...you can have it. I don't get anything out of it and I can't even play a race card now and then.

[tokenuser]

Can you imagine what he would have said if he found out there were CANADIANS in the audience ... damn, he would have gone off!

[sloppybunny]

i already hate this thread more than i hate austraila.


You sure know how to hurt people

[slowmtnsilhouette]

i hate this thread.

[guybers]

lol...we are not hiding behind avatars noob. this is a conversation i have had with many of my black friends. if you don't dance around topics and get to the heart of things it gives you a better chance to see it from the other side.

i hope iggy doesn't take what i say that seriously. i truely believe...blacker the berry the sweeter the juice...lol.

thank you soundwave2.0 for putting me in my place, your tolerance and kindness speak for themselves. Now go find a digital camera and take a picture of you with all of your black friends that you keep reminding us you have and post it on this thread...

[point5o]

man i hope you can go w/o having the last word...because i can't and i already hate this thread more than i hate austraila.


1. We don't venture out of this forum section cause the others are dead. If we all did it would be us talking about the same stuff other places. Which would suck.

2. Okay...if you weren't joking you must have been playing a trick...you must have put ajax on you d*ck.


3. The pages on that dictionary were white...but the words were all black. Do you have a better dictionary "rying" around?

4. Yes...because ALL white people have such great power. You know what...you can have it. I don't get anything out of it and I can't even play a race card now and then.

1. You mean like life before Geekdrome? I'm sorry yours sucked without it...way to hold on to life and not commit suicide.

2. you should be a rapper with those rhymes.

3. That's it? Ok, you've already stated that you can't tell the difference Chinese and Japanese people, so I'rr chark it up to youl ignolance.

4. Sweet, now all I need is your soul.

[guybers]

i hate this thread.

I feel your hatred of this thread, i share it as well.

[thefast]

That story with the black chick and her kids totally pisses me off. She probably leads such a rich and snobby life that she doesn't even know how to recognize when people are actually being racist. I'll give you a couple examples:

1) Being sent to prison for a crime that a black person committed on the only grounds that you yourself are a black person

2) Being pulled off a bus so that police can determine if you're the right black man that has just committed a crime in the area

Both have happened to the guy that my mom married this past May. The first happened in the 70s on a rape charge, where he was given the option of a guilty plea with 6 months in prison and a felony on his record, or to be proven guilty, where he wouldn't be allowed to see any of the witnesses or know any of their names, and then be given about 14 years in prison with a felony on his record. He took the 6 months, the guilty plea. The second one happened 3 or 4 months ago, a couple thousand miles away from the first one in New York, right here in Washington. People also stare at him and my mom wherever they go together, though it's mainly the older folks.

Now let's compare this to not being the first one interviewed while you're standing in line to buy your kids a PS3.

[point5o]

I did the race one and it said I have a moderate preference towards white people. I did get confused when some of the buttons were switched around because I didn't read the text, but I agree with their findings anyways.

I got the same result. I made mistakes because I was going too fast.

[soundwave2-0]

1. You mean like life before Geekdrome? I'm sorry yours sucked without it...way to hold on to life and not commit suicide.

2. you should be a rapper with those rhymes.

3. That's it? Ok, you've already stated that you can't tell the difference Chinese and Japanese people, so I'rr chark it up to youl ignolance.

4. Sweet, now all I need is your soul.


1. I was saying that it was retarded to compare going out of your racial comfort zone to going to different sections in this forum.

2. Those rhymes aren't mine dude. They were little poems 3rd graders would say to make fun of chinese people...not out of spite...but because it's funnier that way. just another way us whities keep you down.:D

3. Lil secret for you. You will be hard pressed to find a lot of ppl that can tell a difference dude.

4. I sold mine a long time ago. See I was in Chinatown and I met this crazy old man that had a Mogwai. I had to have. HAD to have it. So since he wouldn't take my Bathroom Buddy I had to offer him my soul. Looking back I should have blindfolded him with dental floss.

Now...be the better man and let's stop this sh*t. Besides racism is only really important between whites and blacks. ;)

[soundwave2-0]

thank you soundwave2.0 for putting me in my place, your tolerance and kindness speak for themselves. Now go find a digital camera and take a picture of you with all of your black friends that you keep reminding us you have and post it on this thread...

http://www.radio.rai.it/radioscrigno/img_schede/01-85-We-are-the-world.jpg

[slowmtnsilhouette]

I feel your hatred of this thread, i share it as well.

thank you.

[dromeonyourchest]

"The Jokes on you Geekdrome" -Michael Richards

[point5o]

http://www.radio.rai.it/radioscrigno/img_schede/01-85-We-are-the-world.jpg

How many people in that pic does everyone still like and respect...or even know.

[soundwave2-0]

How many people in that pic does everyone still like and respect...or even know.

dude..i think i found michael jackson in there 4 different times.

[guybers]

dude..i think i found michael jackson in there 4 different times.

Yeah, I see Mike four different times as well, but oddly enough each one is a different version of Mike as he progressed through each of his plastic surgery nightmares.

[kowgod]

How many people in that pic does everyone still like and respect...or even know.

Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, Bob Dylan, Dan Akroyd, Bob Geldof for sure, Bruce Springsteen, Willie Nelson, and the rest by virtue of them being involved.

[soundwave2-0]

Yeah, I see Mike four different times as well, but oddly enough each one is a different version of Mike as he progressed through each of his plastic surgery nightmares.

EXACTLY!!

You got him in the uniform with shoulder pads, brown blazer and so on and so forth.

see guys...even with all our differences we can still unite over a game of "where's wacko"? maybe...just maybe...we aren't that different after all.

[point5o]

1. I was saying that it was retarded to compare going out of your racial comfort zone to going to different sections in this forum.

2. Those rhymes aren't mine dude. They were little poems 3rd graders would say to make fun of chinese people...not out of spite...but because it's funnier that way. just another way us whities keep you down.:D

3. Lil secret for you. You will be hard pressed to find a lot of ppl that can tell a difference dude.

4. I sold mine a long time ago. See I was in Chinatown and I met this crazy old man that had a Mogwai. I had to have. HAD to have it. So since he wouldn't take my Bathroom Buddy I had to offer him my soul. Looking back I should have blindfolded him with dental floss.

Now...be the better man and let's stop this sh*t. Besides racism is only really important between whites and blacks. ;)

1. Not really, since it all comes down to social comfort zones. It is a bit of a stretch but it's stil the same ballpark...err, sport.

2. It is out of spite maybe not intentional spite but children are some mean little bitches.

3. FYI, only Japanese replace 'r's with 'l's. Chinese just don't pronounce them ;)

4. I think he's a friend of the family.

[soundwave2-0]

Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, Bob Dylan, Dan Akroyd, Bob Geldof for sure, Bruce Springsteen, Willie Nelson, and the rest by virtue of them being involved.

wow you don't want to offend anyone...there has to be someone in that circle jerk you don't like or respect.

[dromeonyourchest]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9107547518165183938&q=kramer+apology

-His National Apology

[satansmagichat]

actually...i am sure he is like a lot of us here. we just don't think about austraila enough to have anything against it. kind of like canada...but even further removed.

Totally. I live in Kentucky, and basically all I ever hear are jokes about us being hicks, not wearing shoes, and sleeping with their cousins. While that lost one is true, we really aren't that different from the rest of the country except for a different accent, which pisses me off that people on the east and west coast make fun of since some of the greatest American writers have been from the south (Mark Twain, William Faulkner, Hunter S Thompson, Flannery O'Conner, etc.). So we are obviously just as educated as anyone else.

But frankly, I just ignore any of that regional prejudice seeing as how most people that make those jokes are completely ignorant of what they are talking about.

And apparently Michael Richards is a dick. Did anyone care about him before? Didn't think so.

[big-doze]

Dear anyone who doesn't like this thread,

I disagree with you. These types of conversations are not only healthy, but necessary if we are ever to make a world without prejudice a reality. I mean, god forbid we have an intelligent (for the most part) conversationg about what racism means, presenting the different sides of an issue that is not only extremely important to everyone, but also extremely relevant (in the geek world, of course). I've had a great number of geek conversations which evolved into topics such as these. It's a natural event during conversations among intelligent people (which most geeks happen to be). This type of back and forth educates others to different life experiences and different points of view, while at the same time reminding people of a problem that, for many many people around the world, is an ongoing nightmare. I applaud those brave enough to voice their opinions on this very controversial topic, especially when peppered with intelligent arguments and, most importantly, racial humor. I mean, c'mon, it's just funny.

If you don't like this thread, don't read it. If you do like it, continue talking in an open environment (although I'm pretty sure I've just effectively slaughtered this thread).

Lot of love (especially to Australians),

Big Doze - a Halfrican caught in the middle!

PS: Jlo, that sh*t is wack. I know you hate all races equally (especially those lazy Mexicans... or shouldI say Mexican'ts)

[xxxthundercatxxx]

http://www.paranoia.ru/mn/stories/faces/images/m.jpg
****er stole my bit...

[point5o]

http://www.avoision.com/portnoy/images/2003/april/fools/jackie.jpg

"You dropped the n-bomb?!? Who told you to drop the n-bomb?!?"

I can't take credit for this. I swiped it from another forum I regularly visit.

[maharajamackdaddy]

michael richards should just start an all white magazine and call it "ivory".

Lol I hope you are joking...right (I am not sure as to wether you are or aren't)....being proud of your colour or race is not racism. Be it a magazine supporting black business people or NAACP. What is racist is being called racist names, being beaten or harrassed based on your ethnicity or being stereotyped as a certain image based on your colour.

However, there are certain times when you have to grin and bear it. You can't keep calling racism over everything because sooner or later its gonna lose all meaning.

All in all like chappelle clearly explained in the skit on the lost episodes dvd there are times when you are in the wrong, it ain't racism. You were just acting stupid and it ain't the white man (or any other colour) trying to keep you down.

[djhyjak]

That story with the black chick and her kids totally pisses me off. She probably leads such a rich and snobby life that she doesn't even know how to recognize when people are actually being racist. I'll give you a couple examples:

1) Being sent to prison for a crime that a black person committed on the only grounds that you yourself are a black person

2) Being pulled off a bus so that police can determine if you're the right black man that has just committed a crime in the area

.

I can definitely relate to that, last week i was pulled over and detained for 2 hours down the street from my studio (it in a wealthy area here in St.Louis). They told me and my friends that we fit the description of 2 people (there was 4 of us) that just robber the gas station near us. The fine officers took us in and as we are about to be booked they get a call that the real guy, yeah 1 guy was caught. I later found out from the gas station that the dude was Mexican. Oh yeah we had to get a cab back to our car they left unlocked.

[sloppybunny]

Lol I hope you are joking...right (I am not sure as to wether you are or aren't)....being proud of your colour or race is not racism. Be it a magazine supporting black business people or NAACP. What is racist is being called racist names, being beaten or harrassed based on your ethnicity or being stereotyped as a certain image based on your colour.

However, there are certain times when you have to grin and bear it. You can't keep calling racism over everything because sooner or later its gonna lose all meaning.

All in all like chappelle clearly explained in the skit on the lost episodes dvd there are times when you are in the wrong, it ain't racism. You were just acting stupid and it ain't the white man (or any other colour) trying to keep you down.

You know, If I went all white pride on these boards or anywhere else where my aimless ramblings can be viewed or listened to I would be called a racist. You know it ;)

I find it kinda week that minority groups find this need to make these goupds that exclude others, yet they are asking for acceptance, that's a form of hypocracy.

[maharajamackdaddy]

You know, If I went all white pride on these boards or anywhere else where my aimless ramblings can be viewed or listened to I would be called a racist. You know it ;)

I find it kinda week that minority groups find this need to make these goupds that exclude others, yet they are asking for acceptance, that's a form of hypocracy.

Thats because the "white pride" is often followed by racism (i mean the KKK has lots of "white pride", so does the heritage front for all the canadians out there etc)

And yes these groups (the NAACP) do ask for acceptance...but these groups are not exclusionary because of hate. The reason for these groups is that people can feel they belong to a comunity, know that there are other people with the same ideal, offer support...having people of that don't meet the member criteria kinda defeats that. I mean its like guys marching in the take back the night marches. Yes they do support the cause but, its for WOMEN. Having men there lessens the affect.

[djhyjak]

Groups like the NAACP are not excluding people, they even have other minorities as members and a few token white folks.hell justin timberlake was at the essence awards. these groups were started because we were excluded from others so we made our own. Now things are a little better, thats why new groups and companies started by us black folks tend to not have race in the title (something people dont seem to notice), but we are not to the place where BET need to change its name. Hopefully that time will come while i still live.

[maharajamackdaddy]

Groups like the NAACP are not excluding people, they even have other minorities as members and a few token white folks.hell justin timberlake was at the essence awards. these groups were started because we were excluded from others so we made our own. Now things are a little better, thats why new groups and companies started by us black folks tend to not have race in the title (something people dont seem to notice), but we are not to the place where BET need to change its name. Hopefully that time will come while i still live.

Ya I am not the most fimilar with the NAACP (being a canadian) so i am sorry if I made the claim that it was exclusionary.

[invaderzim]

Groups like the NAACP are not excluding people, they even have other minorities as members and a few token white folks.hell justin timberlake was at the essence awards. these groups were started because we were excluded from others so we made our own. Now things are a little better, thats why new groups and companies started by us black folks tend to not have race in the title (something people dont seem to notice), but we are not to the place where BET need to change its name. Hopefully that time will come while i still live.

I feel bad for the NAACP the had justin at thier "essence" awards, whatever the hell that is. They need to man up and get Kevin Federdouche.

Of course im kiddin both those people are ****in stupid