View Full Version : 'The First Avenger: Captain America' (Pre-Release Hype)
crippler
10-19-2008, 06:17 PM
So, where does Bucky fit into a Captain America movie? Or, does he at all? Cap is an odd character in that his origins involved a team, as opposed to most other heroes who have individual careers and then join up later.
I'd guess that we'll see Bucky and he'll be tagging along, at least for a while, but he won't be doing anything except snapping pictures.
thenextchampion
10-19-2008, 10:32 PM
So, where does Bucky fit into a Captain America movie? Or, does he at all? Cap is an odd character in that his origins involved a team, as opposed to most other heroes who have individual careers and then join up later.
I'd guess that we'll see Bucky and he'll be tagging along, at least for a while, but he won't be doing anything except snapping pictures.
He is a wild card.
Either they'll take the Ultimates route and have him age to an old man. Or go the 616 route and have him turn into Winter Soldier. Limitless possiblies for Bucky.
esophagus
10-19-2008, 10:34 PM
Or they just won't include him.
crippler
10-19-2008, 10:47 PM
I could see not including Bucky except for one big reason - he IS Captain America right now! Will he still be carrying the shield in 2010? Hard to say, but I can tell you this, if and when this whole linked Marvel Universe launches to the theatres, do you really think they'll be able to resist going to the shelves for the arguably best Cap story ever? Brubaker's epic is steeped in Cap history, but I think it's still transferrable (at least in theme) to the big screen... but only if they introduce Bucky.
I know most comic books are unfilmable in their present states. They usually carry too much baggage. This story would be no different, some parts would need to be cut, but, do you really think Marvel could pass up a story that so many people already know about? Maybe I'm thinking way too far ahead, but it would be hard to just avoid something that got such amazing national attention.
conorkilpatrick
10-19-2008, 10:49 PM
I would imagine that most "regular people" don't even remember Captain America's death.
crippler
10-19-2008, 11:06 PM
That's probably true. The question is, however, will Marvel be tempted to 'go dark' (like DC). No matter how sucessful you've been, it would probably be hard to look over at the competition and see the spectacular event that is the Dark Knight and not wonder. I don't want to get into an Iron Man vs. Batman discussion, but they were clearly different kinds of movies - both excellent, but, one was a great comic book movie and one was a masterpiece with deep psychological overtones that resonated with all manner of individuals. The Dark Knight has all kinds of subtext and nuance and awesomness and Iron Man is not the vehicle to tell that sort of story. The Death of Captain America is.
All of us who read Captain America and are looking for more then Wham! Bam! Kapow! understand that there is a deep resonant subtext that speaks to the death of the American dream. That kind of movie could be... fantastic.
tomanderson
10-20-2008, 08:39 PM
That's probably true. The question is, however, will Marvel be tempted to 'go dark' (like DC). No matter how sucessful you've been, it would probably be hard to look over at the competition and see the spectacular event that is the Dark Knight and not wonder. I don't want to get into an Iron Man vs. Batman discussion, but they were clearly different kinds of movies - both excellent, but, one was a great comic book movie and one was a masterpiece with deep psychological overtones that resonated with all manner of individuals. The Dark Knight has all kinds of subtext and nuance and awesomness and Iron Man is not the vehicle to tell that sort of story. The Death of Captain America is.
All of us who read Captain America and are looking for more then Wham! Bam! Kapow! understand that there is a deep resonant subtext that speaks to the death of the American dream. That kind of movie could be... fantastic.I think they will, the fact that TSK continues to make money and may get awards nominations is enough to sway any studio I think. They realize that the less idealized superhero stories are selling and they'll try to give the box office another one. At least IMO...it would be the smart move.
conorkilpatrick
11-10-2008, 06:54 AM
'Captain America' recruits director (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3i2a6531019c4147a66237829f7fff5112)
Joe Johnston will helm the comic adaptation from Marvel
By Borys Kit
Nov 9, 2008, 10:00 PM ET
Joe Johnston has inked a deal to direct "First Avenger: Captain America," Marvel Studios' take on its classic comic book character. Marvel's Kevin Feige is producing.
No writers are on board, but the studio, which is hearing pitches, expects to hire shortly.
Johnston first met with Marvel two years ago. When the two parties clicked, general talks turned into Captain America-specific meetings, with much of the project's current direction resulting from those early conversations.
"This is a guy who designed the vehicles for 'Star Wars,' who storyboarded the convoy action sequence for 'Raiders of the Lost Ark,' " Feige said. "From 'Rocketeer' to 'October Sky' to 'The Wolfman,' you can look at pieces of his movies and see how they lead to this one."
More in link.
cammyknoxville
11-10-2008, 03:28 PM
Slowly but surely, the movie is coming together. This is an awesome first step.
esophagus
11-10-2008, 03:48 PM
I have only seen Jumanji and Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. I'm sure you can understand how that leaves me confused as to why this is good news for Captain America.
thenextchampion
11-10-2008, 04:50 PM
I have only seen Jumanji and Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. I'm sure you can understand how that leaves me confused as to why this is good news for Captain America.
Yeah that article Conor provided isnt too reassuring....Should I be happy they put a guy on director considering his biggest claim to fame was set-peices for Star Wars and The Rocketter? But hey some big directors start somewhere, maybe he is a gem in an otherwise sesspool of new directors.
esophagus
11-10-2008, 05:38 PM
Yeah that article Conor provided isnt too reassuring....Should I be happy they put a guy on director considering his biggest claim to fame was set-peices for Star Wars and The Rocketter? But hey some big directors start somewhere, maybe he is a gem in an otherwise sesspool of new directors.He isn't a new director. Honey, I Shrunk the Kids came out in 1989 and he has had 6 movies out since then.
I loved Honey, I Shrunk the Kids
But hated Jumanji
esophagus
11-10-2008, 05:48 PM
I loved Honey, I Shrunk the Kids
But hated JumanjiI didn't hate Jumanji (that doesn't make it good) and I loved Honey, I Shrunk the Kids but I don't see how they'll make for a good Cap movie.
conorkilpatrick
11-10-2008, 05:49 PM
I didn't hate Jumanji (that doesn't make it good) and I loved Honey, I Shrunk the Kids but I don't see how they'll make for a good Cap movie.
The Rocketeer is what people are pointing to. And while that's a really good film and a truly underrated comic book movie, I don't know that this guy has shown the gritty tone that Cap needs. We'll see, though. Everyone was skeptical of Favreau doing Iron Man...
I'm just going to wait for some trailers before starting to develop anything resembling an opinion
thenextchampion
11-10-2008, 08:06 PM
Wait I'm confused....is he a director or a set design guy? Cause the article conor posted says no where he was a director; just did set designs.
Either way when I think about it:
Honey I Shrunk the Kids = Captain America
or
Jumanji = Captain America
or
The PageMaster = Captain America
All those equations dont really add up....just saying.
conorkilpatrick
11-10-2008, 08:07 PM
Wait I'm confused....is he a director or a set design guy? Cause the article conor posted says no where he was a director; just did set designs.
He started in design and became a director in 1989.
paper
11-10-2008, 08:42 PM
None of this matters until they come up with a script. You can always director-proof a screenplay.
How does a script "director-proof" action sequences? Or cinematography? Or casting? As for grittiness, I think "Raiders of the Lost Ark" has the right amount for Cap which would mesh with the feel of Iron Man and an Avengers universe.
conorkilpatrick
11-10-2008, 11:35 PM
How does a script "director-proof" action sequences? Or cinematography? Or casting?
It doesn't. The director is the most important factor.
paper
11-10-2008, 11:54 PM
I'm trained to mistrust directors and their meddling. Forgive me. It's this whole hard-wired, Manchurian Candidate thing.
cormano
11-11-2008, 12:05 AM
Ha, Favrau's last movie before Iron Man was Zathura, which is a sequel of sorts to Jumanji.
cormano
11-11-2008, 12:09 AM
I predict Olivier Megaton (whoever that is) as the director of the Avengers.
siratomofbones
11-11-2008, 03:36 PM
The Rocketeer is what people are pointing to. And while that's a really good film and a truly underrated comic book movie, I don't know that this guy has shown the gritty tone that Cap needs. We'll see, though. Everyone was skeptical of Favreau doing Iron Man...
The Rocketeer was a comic book?! Is in Trade?
conorkilpatrick
11-19-2008, 02:37 AM
'Captain America' enlists two scribes (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ia94c7ef2006ea33de94da72dc191a8cc)
Christopher Markus, Stephen McFeely in negotiations
By Borys Kit and Jay A. Fernandez
Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely are in negotiations to pen Marvel Studios' "First Avenger: Captain America." The dealmaking occurs about a week after Joe Johnston boarded the project as director.
Marvel's Kevin Feige is producing.
*snip*
Marvel's "Captain America" will be a World War II-set movie, and the character will appear in the modern day-set "Avengers."
Markus and McFeely, repped by UTA, worked on "The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" and its sequel, "Prince Caspian." The duo also wrote HBO's "The Life and Death of Peter Sellers."
More in link.
thenextchampion
11-19-2008, 03:12 AM
'Captain America' enlists two scribes (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ia94c7ef2006ea33de94da72dc191a8cc)
Christopher Markus, Stephen McFeely in negotiations
By Borys Kit and Jay A. Fernandez
Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely are in negotiations to pen Marvel Studios' "First Avenger: Captain America." The dealmaking occurs about a week after Joe Johnston boarded the project as director.
Marvel's Kevin Feige is producing.
*snip*
Marvel's "Captain America" will be a World War II-set movie, and the character will appear in the modern day-set "Avengers."
Markus and McFeely, repped by UTA, worked on "The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" and its sequel, "Prince Caspian." The duo also wrote HBO's "The Life and Death of Peter Sellers."
More in link.
So we got the director of Honey, I Shrunk the Kids; and the writers of Chronicles of Narnia.....Is this going to be a kids film or am I missing something here?
paper
11-19-2008, 03:26 AM
Yes. They also wrote an award winning biopic for HBO. And their pitch was obviously in line with what the studio wanted to do.
jmstump
11-19-2008, 04:07 AM
So we got the director of Honey, I Shrunk the Kids; and the writers of Chronicles of Narnia.....Is this going to be a kids film or am I missing something here?
Don't forget that he directed Rocketeer and October Sky which were both pretty good movies when it came to capturing the American persona/feeling.
thenextchampion
11-19-2008, 04:28 AM
I dont know. If we take out the children films both director and writers have done...I dont see huge credentials to do this.
Joe Johnston
-Jurassic Park III (worst in the series, then again Joe probably didnt have much good work to begin with)
-Rocketeer (Decent film, but outside of this forum how many honestly remember this?
-October Sky (Great adaptation, probably the best out of the bunch)
-Hidalgo (Seriously?)
Murkus/McFeely
-Life and Times of Peter Sellers (I've heard good things about this, but never saw it. But your honestly telling me they can do from bio-pic to superhero film?)
I'm sure some people love these films and what not....But when I see the rest of their works and look at what they have to work with. I honestly dont see how they were the best choice for director and writers for Captain America.
jmstump
11-19-2008, 04:37 AM
He is also doing the Wolf Man which is suppose to be fantastic. I got excited when I heard he was the same director as the Rocketeer. Boy was that movie fantastic. I also enjoyed Hidalgo. I'm more curious to see who gets casted as Cap.
supermanthelastson21
12-20-2008, 09:16 PM
I was just thinking about the actors in Hollywood who could play "The Star Spangled Avenger", and I realized that there is not one person who can fill those boots. Then, I was watching the show "Life" on my DVR, and I saw Damian Lewis. This is the guy. I really think he could pull it off. He's got he chops. He also played a character on the World War 2 drama, "Band of Brothers". Plus, I think he's got the look. Just dye his hair blond. Also, he looks kind of like Steve McQueen, who I always thought looked like Cap.
1) http://www.dday-overlord.com/bob/img/hwh.jpg
2) http://www.damian-lewis.com/wordpress/images/posts/2007/08/mcqueen-lewis-450.jpg
3) http://seat42f.com/site/images/stories/tvshows/Life/Season2/damian-lewis-life.jpg
cyberauron
12-20-2008, 09:33 PM
Unfortunately the only one who can do the character justice is Russel Crowe. I know that breaks the unoffical rule for some fanboys thast it has to be an american, but Crowe will be great at it.
esophagus
12-21-2008, 01:07 AM
I was just thinking about the actors in Hollywood who could play "The Star Spangled Avenger", and I realized that there is not one person who can fill those boots. Then, I was watching the show "Life" on my DVR, and I saw Damian Lewis. This is the guy. I really think he could pull it off. He's got he chops. He also played a character on the World War 2 drama, "Band of Brothers". Plus, I think he's got the look. Just dye his hair blond. Also, he looks kind of like Steve McQueen, who I always thought looked like Cap.
1) http://www.dday-overlord.com/bob/img/hwh.jpg
2) http://www.damian-lewis.com/wordpress/images/posts/2007/08/mcqueen-lewis-450.jpg
3) http://seat42f.com/site/images/stories/tvshows/Life/Season2/damian-lewis-life.jpgI feel like this has been suggested before. Or it's just obvious. I know I'd like to see it. Good build to play a scrawny Steve and still be Cap with a good costume and a workout. Plus, he definitely has the chops for it.
esophagus
12-21-2008, 01:08 AM
Unfortunately the only one who can do the character justice is Russel Crowe. I know that breaks the unoffical rule for some fanboys thast it has to be an american, but Crowe will be great at it.Way too old, and he doesn't even really have the right look.
kahunablair
12-21-2008, 02:17 AM
The most interesting thing about the whole "cast a Cap" thing for me is how people think of the character.
Some see him as the young New York kid.
Some see him as a square jawed boy, blonde hair, blue eyed boy scout.
Some see him as a gruff, soldier willing to risk it all for the country he loves.
It's awesome to see how many different ways Captain America is regarded. It leads to such a diverse batch of actors being suggested.
supermanthelastson21
12-21-2008, 04:19 AM
I think he's all of those things except for the kid. I'd see him as the blond haired, blue eyed boy scout who loves this country and will fight to the death for it. As far as Russell Crowe goes, there's no way he could be Cap. I really think Damien Lewis can pull it off.
conorkilpatrick
12-21-2008, 06:32 AM
I think he's all of those things except for the kid.
Except that he is that kid.
poltah
12-21-2008, 08:14 AM
Steve Rogers has to be American. If we can't get a decent American in the role of Captain America...? That's....
That's just dumb. He doesn't have to be American. He has to be a good actor who can portray the character.
That's like saying "Well, you have to be a rapist to portray a rapist".
It's called "actors" for a reason.
I think Daniel Craig or Pitt would be a pretty good Captain America. But I'd rather have Craig as Thor actually.
And I don't think the guy has to be blond really. Who cares if he's a light brown. The important thing is that he's going the movie better.
Would anybody have complained after watching Iron Man if it was the same movie only Downey Jr. had brown hair?
Would anybody have complained after watching Iron Man if it was the same movie only Downey Jr. had brown hair?
Some ridiculous person would undoubtedly complain about this, yes.
esophagus
12-21-2008, 01:25 PM
That's like saying "Well, you have to be a rapist to portray a rapist". It is, in fact, nothing like that.
I don't think he should have to be American either (I'm Canadian, what do I know?) but that analogy is lame.
poltah
12-21-2008, 08:33 PM
It is, in fact, nothing like that.
I don't think he should have to be American either (I'm Canadian, what do I know?) but that analogy is lame.
Why is that?
winthewonderboy
12-23-2008, 03:32 PM
I think Ryan Gosling would be a prefect Cap.
mikegraham6
12-23-2008, 03:53 PM
i personally would LOVE to see a Canadian Captain America
i personally would LOVE to see a Canadian Captain America
Ahem...
http://www.billionswithzeroknowledge.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/WindowsLiveWriter/OhCanadamyCanadaWeb2.0_B925/captaincanuck_thumb%5B3%5D.jpg
I would love to see a Canadian Wolverine.
(I keed, I keed, Jackman is great)
cyberauron
12-24-2008, 12:35 AM
I think Ryan Gosling would be a prefect Cap.
i dont know about Gosling. He has the actor chops to pull it off, but he would probably be better as a anti hero comic book character. Honestly if he pulls of kirk in star trek I can see them giving it to chris pine
gabeja
01-02-2009, 05:19 PM
I'm gona stick with Eckhart as cap, and Fienes as red skull
winthewonderboy
01-03-2009, 07:51 AM
i personally would LOVE to see a Canadian Captain America
I don't care if hes Canadian. hes a great actor and thats all that matters. If their can be an Australian James Bond then their can be a Canadian Captain America. :)
cyberauron
01-04-2009, 01:01 AM
I don't care if hes Canadian. hes a great actor and thats all that matters. If their can be an Australian James Bond then their can be a Canadian Captain America. :)
yes but people tend to forget there was an austrailian james bond and we need whoever plays capt to be rememberal
six-gun
01-04-2009, 02:00 AM
Why is that?
Because a rapist isn't going to get work in Hollywood. A Canadian is.
winthewonderboy
01-04-2009, 06:43 AM
Because a rapist isn't going to get work in Hollywood. A Canadian is.
Roman Polanski would disagree with you.
Polanski doesn't work in Hollywood, he works in Europe ;)
cyberauron
01-05-2009, 04:20 AM
Polanski doesn't work in Hollywood, he works in Europe ;)
and he did do olvier twist. take that as you will
Filmed in Italy, the UK, France and Czech Republic
thenextchampion
01-05-2009, 04:29 AM
Polanski is trying to get the charges dropped so he can go back to America.....
I'm sorry I just wanted to join the popular crowd....
cyberauron
01-05-2009, 04:36 AM
i think the charges were dropped, because he is not exactly hiding from the law.
mikegraham6
01-05-2009, 12:12 PM
wait... are we saying Roman Polanski should play Captain America?!?!?!
;)
esophagus
01-05-2009, 08:31 PM
i think the charges were dropped, because he is not exactly hiding from the law.He is hiding from the law, and the charges still exist.
conorkilpatrick
01-05-2009, 08:47 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaand that's enough about Roman Polanski.