'The First Avenger: Captain America' (Pre-Release Hype) [Archive]

kahunablair

06-17-2007, 04:56 AM

You really think so?

Yeah I do. Look, they're going to realize that Captain America has the potential to be there next big franchise. So they'll be attempting to draw in some big box office take for the first one. One way to do it, is to put a big name in there.
Ghost Rider blew, but enough people saw it because of Nic Cage and Eva Menedes.
The best thing that Cap has going for it is the fact that they're trying to go back to the Spiderman way of making a movie. Get a GOOD big name director and a few GOOD big name stars, and you're set. They drifted away from it in Fantastic Four and Ghost Rider. They're going back to that formula with Iron Man and now the re-make of the Hulk.

paper

06-17-2007, 05:01 AM

How about Michael Cera (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0148418/)?

kahunablair

06-17-2007, 05:15 AM

All kidding aside, if they were willing to take some time off, they could use some one like that. They could film the beginning as normal him, then allow him to bulk up.
But with the technology that we have now a days, they would probably just use some good old CGI.

darron

06-17-2007, 07:29 AM

I remember when iFanboy did the 'Cast the Avengers movie' contest a while back, someone wrote in Denzel Washington for Captain America.

I still think it's a perfect fit. Either him or an unknown. Of course I know Denzel will not be appearing on-screen with a shield, but it's still a fun thought.

kahunablair

06-17-2007, 05:18 PM

Denzel would be an awesome choice.
I've never read much of Cap, but I remember reading one story in which the Red Skull was telling him the reason he was chosen as Cap was because he was a blond haired, blue eyed boy. Captain America was picked to be the ultimate Aryan soldier. Hitler was supposedly secretly behind his "upgrade".
I don't know if this story is canon or not, but I loved that idea. I'd love to see that be the storyline for the 2nd or 3rd movie, but that's me.

paper

06-17-2007, 05:20 PM

Let's not count our franchises before they hatch.

fred

06-17-2007, 05:41 PM

horatio sanz?

kahunablair

06-17-2007, 06:01 PM

Let's not count our franchises before they hatch.

Well from a Studio exec's standpoint, that's how they think of Comic books movies. You have the basic stories from the comics, that you can mine to make into multiple movies.

paper

06-17-2007, 06:05 PM

I'm just really skeptical about this particular movie. I hope i'm wrong, but I just don't see the cinematic potential for this one. Domestically and internationally.

kahunablair

06-17-2007, 07:09 PM

I'm just really skeptical about this particular movie. I hope i'm wrong, but I just don't see the cinematic potential for this one. Domestically and internationally.

I understand what you mean about international. I doubt they'd be worried about that though. They still make movies like Saving Private Ryan and Pearl Harbor. The movies may not play well in other countries but they wouldn't really care about that because of the money.

I think it has some real potential as a franchise. Imagine the first movie is a his origins. It would be a World War 2 period piece, showing him fighting the Nazis and the Red Skull. It would end with the Red Skull "dying" but still triggering some kind of super war head to hit DC. Cap tries to stop in and does the whole, falling into ice bit. The end of the movie could be his memorial with the entire world honoring what he's done. The final scene could be his body being found in a block of ice in present day.

This is where the second movie would pick up, with Cap trying to adapt in present day and his whole man lost in time bit. You could either have Red Skull come back, or maybe have some other bad guy with Red Skull popping up after the credits.

paper

06-17-2007, 07:20 PM

I'm not talking about story potential though. I'm just saying...is there a market for this movie?

labor_days

06-17-2007, 07:38 PM

I dunno, dudes. I love Cap in comics but I just don't think he's a character that works on film. It just feels a bit too silly and trite having a guy frozen in the mid-atlantic during WW2 thawed out in 2007 to fight modern-day terrorist. While waving an american flag, no less.

I suppose, worse things have made it onto film but still.

fred

06-17-2007, 08:30 PM

I'd honestly love to see this movie. I think there are an abundance of great stories that they could do. However, I think that the amount that it would cost to make it would make it prohibitive when you consider the foreign box office challenges that it would face. I don't think this plays in Japan, France, and Germany etc as well as say Spider-Man.

labor_days

06-17-2007, 09:28 PM

They'd either have to completely re-write Cap's origins or ignore his origin story to make this thing work in a modern day setting. The latter may not be so bad but I don't think that's realistic based on how these comic book movies go nowadays.

If they re-write his beginnings, well it's not really Captain America then. At least not the Captain America I enjoy in the comic. For me, Cap's values as informed by the era of WW2 are what define him as a character. Cap is a genuine true believer, if you will. What are you really left with if you take that away from Cap?

Just my $.02 anyways.

kahunablair

06-17-2007, 10:00 PM

Why would they have to re-write his origin? What's the matter with him being frozen? People know it's a comic book movie. They accept things aren't going to be "real".

Look at the top all-time box office record holders. Outside of Titanic which is supposedly based in reality (and really was a fluke when it came to its box office draw), the record holders are all fantasy type movies. You put a good writer on it, and Captain America will do just fine.

labor_days

06-17-2007, 10:04 PM

Why would they have to re-write his origin? What's the matter with him being frozen? People know it's a comic book movie. They accept things aren't going to be "real".Sure, but within reason. E.g. organic web-shooters.

kahunablair

06-17-2007, 10:14 PM

labor_days

06-17-2007, 10:35 PM

It's a guy that shoots spider webbing from his wrists... There is no reason being used.
The writing of the movie made people buy it. As long as the story is good, people can be willing to except quite a bit.
Today 04:04 PMSpidey originally built his own web-slingers though. Modern audiences aren't going to buy that, so they changed it up a bit. It a modern conceit for the movie going public.

As I said, I don't think a guy frozen during WW2 dressed in red, white & blue, without the slightest hint of irony about him, would appeal to modern audiences or internationally. Good or bad thing? Well, I don't know really. But I got a feeling that's the way this is going to play out; major revision or downplaying of Cap's sensibilities.

paper

06-17-2007, 10:43 PM

It's not just about suspension of disbelief. The question is who cares about Captain America outside of comic readers? Millions of Spider-man fans don't read the comics. How many people could actually tell you what Cap's powers are or where they came from?

Doesn't mean it can't be a cool movie. Here's my pitch:

The origin is gonna be tricky in one film. Maybe you start it with the reawakening, you have him trying to adjust to the modern world. But you parallel this struggle with a story from his past, an origin story which leads to some major battle. The movie would end with his first major victory as Captain America in WWII and his decision in the modern world to continue to act as a superhero. Maybe he fights the same enemy in both eras. The bigger battle would take place in the past, but there would be an open-ended thread today; the villain (Red Skull?) would be foiled, but still at large.

kahunablair

06-18-2007, 12:45 AM

It's not just about suspension of disbelief. The question is who cares about Captain America outside of comic readers? Millions of Spider-man fans don't read the comics. How many people could actually tell you what Cap's powers are or where they came from?

I'd agree that no one other than us would have cared, IF it wasn't all over CNN when his ass died. People know OF him. That's enough some times. After all, you show people off the street a picture of Iron Man and a picture of Cap, I'm pretty sure they'll know Cap 2 to 1. Which is kind of funny seeing how they're making an Iron Man movie already.

I just realized I'm defending this movie like I have stock in Marvel. Damn, I need to get on that payroll.

big-doze

06-18-2007, 12:59 AM

Millions of Spider-man fans don't read the comics. How many people could actually tell you what Cap's powers are or where they came from?

Honestly, that seems like the least important aspect of all this. I mean, how many people off the street can tell you Wonder Woman's origin? The island nation she comes from? Hell, what she's made of? Not many, but I assure you that every damn one of them knows who she is.

Now, does Cap have that kind of star power? No, surely not, but most people in America have some idea of who he is. The crux of the issue is whether this is a propaganda film or an actual movie. The temptation toward the former, I feel, will be palpable, and in the current political climate, that could be the kiss of death in more ways than one.

Still, an excellent character who represents all that America should and has the potential to be, with a great hook and relatable problem. If handled by someone who isn't... well, Brett Ratner, this could be the best comic film yet.

conorkilpatrick

06-18-2007, 05:29 AM

I understand what you mean about international. I doubt they'd be worried about that though. They still make movies like Saving Private Ryan and Pearl Harbor. The movies may not play well in other countries but they wouldn't really care about that because of the money.

Foreign appeal is a big consideration. Big.

These days most big releases make a large portion of their money from outside the US.

kahunablair

06-18-2007, 05:07 PM

Foreign appeal is a big consideration. Big.

These days most big releases make a large portion of their money from outside the US.

I agree that they'll take it into consideration, so they won't sink as much money into it as say, Spider-Man 3. They'll still bank on it being a good money maker none the less.
On another note I understand what you guys are saying about the political enviroment they'd be releasing this movie into. I mean even 300 was looked at as a pro-American war movie.
I still think the Studio execs realize they run that risk releasing a movie called Captian America. So I doubt you'll be seeing any of the "This A doesn't stand for France." lines being thrown around.

paper

06-18-2007, 05:15 PM

I dunno, man. It's a big deal. Maybe they should just call it Steve Rogers Movie-Film.

I want to know what our Canadian and UK members think about this whole thing.

iSteve

06-18-2007, 05:20 PM

I'm a HUGH Cap fan, but I can't see this film happening. There are just too many ways that this movie could go wrong. As much as I love Cap on the printed page, I just don't see him translating well to film. I would have less trepidations if he were being portrayed in a team film, like say the Avengers. But a solo film? No dice.

kahunablair

06-18-2007, 05:24 PM

I dunno, man. It's a big deal. Maybe they should just call it Steve Rogers Movie-Film.

I want to know what our Canadian and UK members think about this whole thing.

The title is the clincher! I've been trying to think of what else they could name it.

paper

06-18-2007, 05:35 PM

The Avengers is even harder I think. Unless they decided to use characters they've already established like Spider-man, Wolverine, Beast, Iron Man. You could feasibly throw in a new character like Cap or Hank Pym or Wasp, but that's a lot of back story. They need to start laying more pipe before launching a full Avengers movie. It's a little more grandiose than X-Men, though maybe not as big as a JLA.

kahunablair

06-18-2007, 06:37 PM

I don't think they could pull off an Avengers or JLA movie. There would be to much to explain and to much baggage over who gets paid what.

I actually think the best route to go, if they wanted to make a team movie, is to take the Heroes route. Create all new characters, and "borrow" from comics.

mikegraham6

06-18-2007, 07:03 PM

The title is the clincher! I've been trying to think of what else they could name it.

Didn't they used to call him "The Captain"? anyway, calling the film "Captain America" wouldn't keep me away from the theatres just because i love the character. But i know that pretty much all my friends would stay away from it based solely on the fact that they think it would be a propaganda film for the USA. If they want it to hit with international non-comic reading audiences they would definitely have to change the title and be careful that the story doesn't go to deep in the "America is the best" territory. It would have to have an unbelievably action packed trailer (im talking stuff we've never seen before) in order to get some of my friends to go see a movie called "Captain America". The international market is enormous for the film industry so they would have to keep us happy too right?
I think their best route would be have a story were Cap takes on corrupted government officials (and make that obvious in the trailer) that way they can still be pro-american values while avoiding the whole propaganda angle that international audiences would be wary of. Besides aren't there a few Cap stories where he went against the government anyway? adapt those stories.

conorkilpatrick

06-18-2007, 07:10 PM

I don't think they could pull off an Avengers or JLA movie. There would be to much to explain...

They seemed to pull off a couple of X-Men movie just fine. Not everyone needs to have their origins and powers fully explained. "My name is Wasp, I shrink and fly and shoot a sting out of my hands." That's all you need.

kahunablair

06-18-2007, 07:14 PM

mikegraham6

06-18-2007, 07:15 PM

They seemed to pull off a couple of X-Men movie just fine. Not everyone needs to have their origins and powers fully explained. "My name is Wasp, I shrink and fly and shoot a sting out of my hands." That's all you need.

I agree, i don't think it will be much of a problem as long as they can establish early on that superheroes exist within the universe prior to the formation of the Avengers. They would only need to explain the powers/origins if they were essential to the story (Cap's powers for example). They didn't have to explain each x-man, they just came out and said "mutants exist in this world and thier mutation gives them superhuman abilities". Same can be said in an Avengers movie "Superheroes have existed for years and now it's time to form a superhero team to fight enormous threats". It's not really a big deal, they would just have to take a different approach to the story telling, break the mold of the convential superhero movie....

paper

06-18-2007, 07:19 PM

I think the team stuff works better when it's street level. Outside of origin stories, my major concern with a "classic" Avengers or especially a JLA film would be the gravitas. That's a lot of costumes and iconography to blend in one film. X-Men 1 and 2 worked because the costumes were played down, and the characters were treated like action heroes with powers. The JLA is by no means a street level team, and to pull off a movie with all those icons would have to be the biggest blockbuster ever. I do believe it could work, but I think it would be a bigger challenge than anything they've done so far and anything they could potentially do instead.

My wish list? I'd rather see some "Team-up" style movies like Spiderman and the Human Torch or Spiderman and the Hulk. On the DC side, it'd be cool to see Superman/Batman.

As for new characters, I really, really want to see a Green Arrow movie.

paper

06-16-2008, 03:51 PM

Looks like Leonardo DiCaprio is looking at the role.

WIRED (http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/06/captain-ameri-1.html)

viperseatlotus

06-16-2008, 03:59 PM

leo??? say what?! I can't think of someone off hand but leo??!?!

paper

06-16-2008, 04:08 PM

Pan the camera over a bit in The Departed and you're gonna see a better Cap in the form of Matt Damon. Watch Bourne Supremecy and tell me he can't pull it off.

horatio616

06-16-2008, 04:09 PM

Looks like Leonardo DiCaprio is looking at the role.

WIRED (http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/06/captain-ameri-1.html)

Having seen Blood Diamond last week and recently The Departed and the Aviator, I'm convinced that DiCaprio can pull off anything.

paper

06-16-2008, 04:11 PM

Blood Diamond is a mark against him. What accent is that exactly?

Bling bling. Bang bang. Ugh.

horatio616

06-16-2008, 04:19 PM

Blood Diamond is a mark against him. What accent is that exactly?

Bling bling. Bang bang. Ugh.

It's supposed to be 'Seth Effrican'. I can't speak for its accuracy I've read reviews that said it was pretty good.

Jennifer Connelly is gorgeous.

paper

06-16-2008, 04:27 PM

The accent is all over the place.

Jennifer Connelly is not gorgeous. She is insanely gorgeous.

gobo

06-16-2008, 04:28 PM

Mark Valley (who was in Boston Legal and Fringe pilot) would be an awesome Cap

viperseatlotus

06-16-2008, 04:33 PM

now that i can see.

in my mind's eye, i just don't see dicaprio with the actual build/age to play the role.

horatio616

06-16-2008, 04:36 PM

The accent is all over the place.

Jennifer Connelly is not gorgeous. She is insanely gorgeous.

My cousin married her college roommate. She likes to tell the story about this guy who dated her just to meet Jennifer. All he would talk about was Jennifer and always wanted to go back to her place.

She has a lifetime pass from me for starring in Dario Argento's Phenomena and The Rocketeer.

cammyknoxville

06-16-2008, 05:20 PM

Leo looks to small to play Cap in my opinion.

I've heard rumors of Titan from American Gladiators in talks for the role. Apparently he's a big comic book fan, and if you just look at the guy, he screams 'All-American'. So me personally wouldn't mind if Titan got the role.

gobo

06-16-2008, 05:40 PM

Yeah but can he act worth a damn?

I'd rather someone too small who can act than someone the right size stinking up the joint

jinstarwing

06-16-2008, 05:41 PM

I personally think Daniel Craig would be a good Cap. he did amazing job as James Bond. Leo to me doesn't fit the role to much I think he would be better as Hawkeye or maybe Hank Pym.

cammyknoxville

06-16-2008, 05:42 PM

Yeah but can he act worth a damn?

I'd rather someone too small who can act than someone the right size stinking up the joint

Yeah I can agree with that.

valoharth

06-16-2008, 05:58 PM

The accent is all over the place.

Jennifer Connelly is not gorgeous. She is insanely gorgeous.

I know the South African accent is kind of all over the place, but I can't really remember Blood Dimonds all that much. I just remembered him sounding like a very bad Austrailian.

paper

06-16-2008, 06:02 PM

I personally think Daniel Craig would be a good Cap. he did amazing job as James Bond. Leo to me doesn't fit the role to much I think he would be better as Hawkeye or maybe Hank Pym.

Steve Rogers has to be American. If we can't get a decent American in the role of Captain America...? That's....

Matt Damon or the guy from Band of Brothers (I'm a broken record on that one).

owlboy

06-16-2008, 07:30 PM

How about Matt Keeslar from Middle Man?

http://io9.com/assets/resources/2008/05/normal_middleman_keesler.jpg

senoj1

06-16-2008, 07:31 PM

Does Captain America really need to be pointed out as the first avenger. Thats a horrible title.

Leo could do it but he would deffiantly need some discipline to get that kind of a build. Matt Damon would be awesome and my personal pick.

valoharth

06-16-2008, 07:35 PM

Are you talking about Donny Walberg?

Matt wouldn't be a bad choice. I don't see Leo, but I know he can suprise people.

Ryan Gosling would have been great, looking at IMDB and he's from Ontario.

Billy Crudup (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001082/)would be a good choice, but I'm really thinking back when he played Steve Prefontain in With Out Limits. I haven't seen him in anything lately, well I guess Big Fish but I don't remember him in it.

paper

06-16-2008, 07:41 PM

owlboy

06-16-2008, 07:49 PM

Listen if we suffered through the English Patient...

paper

06-16-2008, 07:50 PM

Are you comparing the international reception of England to that of America? Because...

owlboy

06-16-2008, 07:55 PM

No I'm clearly making a very stupid joke

paper

06-16-2008, 08:16 PM

Not totally clearly. ;)

There are very dumb people on the internet who would make that claim. Sorry to lump you in with them.

esophagus

06-16-2008, 08:30 PM

Bucky Barnes?

http://www.vh1.com/sitewide/flipbooks/img/movies/people/d/dano_paul/73425325_10.jpg

I would probably boycott the movie if Titan played Cap. At least, I like to think I have the willpower to do that. While we're at it, lets get Stone Cold Steve Austin to play Red Skull.

paper

06-16-2008, 08:38 PM

I don't really read Dano as 'All-American'. Not even 'damaged All-American' for the aftermath (assuming that's where you're going with it).

Hahaha...

haha.

what if....

hahaha...Frankie Munez.

niceguyeddie

06-16-2008, 08:42 PM

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/55/168135061_bbc90ef141.jpg
Josh Duhamel from Transformers looks like he might be a good choice.

esophagus

06-16-2008, 08:43 PM

I don't really read Dano as 'All-American'. Not even 'damaged All-American' for the aftermath (assuming that's where you're going with it).

Hahaha...

haha.

what if....

hahaha...Frankie Munez.I don't know if I see him as All-American based off of what we've seen him in, but he has done a great job at exemplifying the archetypes he has played. Has he played the All-American? No. Could he? I think so.

six-gun

06-17-2008, 01:19 AM

paper

06-17-2008, 01:30 AM

I read it occasionally.

That's a good choice for Bucky.

six-gun

06-17-2008, 01:38 AM

That's a good choice for Bucky.

He's got that devil may care thing going and anybody can do action with enough training.

owlboy

06-17-2008, 01:38 AM

Not totally clearly. ;)

There are very dumb people on the internet who would make that claim. Sorry to lump you in with them.

Don't sell yourself short, I am pretty dumb.

horatio616

06-17-2008, 04:59 PM

Steve Rogers has to be American. If we can't get a decent American in the role of Captain America...? That's....

Matt Damon or the guy from Band of Brothers (I'm a broken record on that one).

God, I agree. Has to be American. Otherwise, our forefathers fought and died for nothing!

However, if it's a choice between Daniel Craig and Titan from AG I might have to rethink my stand.

esophagus

06-17-2008, 05:05 PM

He has to be able to play an American, but I don't particularly care if he is American. Much like I don't care if Thor is from Scandinavia or not.

horatio616

06-17-2008, 05:12 PM

He has to be able to play an American, but I don't particularly care if he is American. Much like I don't care if Thor is from Scandinavia or not.

See, we're from different generations. Oldies like me want Cap to be played by an American.

And Red Skull to be played by a Frenchman.

esophagus

06-17-2008, 05:16 PM

Old people are just crrrrazy. ;)

horatio616

06-17-2008, 05:19 PM

Old people are just crrrrazy. ;)

Back in my day our boxer briefs were made from the hide of whatever animal we could kill and the only coffee there was to drink was Maxwell House. None of the grande latte shit. And our Cap was American and he talked like a old newsreel guy and we liked it!

esophagus

06-17-2008, 05:28 PM

Which animal did Cap kill to get Spandex? Richard Simmons (when "Sweating to the Oldies" was still called "Sweating to the Top 40")?

horatio616

06-17-2008, 08:15 PM

Which animal did Cap kill to get Spandex? Richard Simmons (when "Sweating to the Oldies" was still called "Sweating to the Top 40")?

A mackerel, I believe.

paper

06-17-2008, 08:33 PM

He has to be able to play an American, but I don't particularly care if he is American. Much like I don't care if Thor is from Scandinavia or not.

Well...you're Canadian....so...it doesn't really matter...what words you are saying.

esophagus

06-17-2008, 09:13 PM

Well...you're Canadian....so...it doesn't really matter...what words you are saying.I also don't mind that Hugh Jackman played Wolverine. He can do better than Will Arnett, or Michael Cera, or Jim Carrey, or Eric McCormack, or even Sandra Oh.

paper

06-17-2008, 09:16 PM

But America is in the name.

esophagus

06-17-2008, 09:18 PM

Sighhh......

Hugh Jackman can also play Captain Canuck.

gobo

06-17-2008, 09:19 PM

Don't be ridiculous, no one cares about Captain Canuck

horatio616

06-17-2008, 09:44 PM

He has to be able to play an American, but I don't particularly care if he is American.

That would be like Robert Downey Jr. playing a black guy.

gobo

06-17-2008, 09:45 PM

What about RDJr playing a white guy playing a black guy?

horatio616

06-17-2008, 09:47 PM

What about RDJr playing a white guy playing a black guy?

Oh now that might be funny!

mikegraham6

06-17-2008, 11:09 PM

what if Daniel Craig makes you 'believe' he's american?!?! c'mon, it's not a big deal. Whoever is best for the role, that's what i say

paper

06-17-2008, 11:15 PM

Daniel Craig is awesome, don't get me wrong. But in addition to him being from another country, he's a little old for the role, isn't he? He's a little cold.

Seriously, I love the guy and have literally writen characters with him in mind. But I don't think it's a match.

horatio616

06-17-2008, 11:49 PM

Americans will refuse to accept anyone but an American. We will stand united in this forever.

mikegraham6

06-17-2008, 11:54 PM

Americans will refuse to accept anyone but an American. We will stand united in this forever.
that's okay, the rest of the world will refuse to accept a movie called Captain America, so maybe no one will go see it then!
;)

esophagus

06-18-2008, 01:03 AM

what if Daniel Craig makes you 'believe' he's american?!?! c'mon, it's not a big deal. Whoever is best for the role, that's what i sayWhat he said. And what I said.

labor_days

06-18-2008, 01:17 AM

I can't think of anyone I would believe as Cap on screen.

I hate comic book superhero movies.

esophagus

06-18-2008, 01:18 AM

I can't think of anyone I would believe as Cap on screen.

I hate comic book superhero movies.Iron Man? Batman Begins? Really?

labor_days

06-18-2008, 01:38 AM

Oh yeah. I like those.

But everything else, forget it.

(Except the first Hulk. And the first and 3rd Superman. Which I changed my mind on only recently.)

esophagus

06-18-2008, 01:41 AM

Okay, that makes more sense. I understand and agree (except about the Ang Lee Hulk). Although, I have high hopes for everything to come from Marvel (I still haven't seen the new Hulk).

labor_days

06-18-2008, 01:47 AM

But look, the point is no actor I know of can make me believe in America.

Pretty crucial for Captain America.

racemccloud

06-18-2008, 02:29 AM

But look, the point is no actor I know of can make me believe in America.

Pretty crucial for Captain America.

John Wayne?

six-gun

06-18-2008, 02:32 AM

John Wayne?

Him and Charlton Heston

gobo

06-18-2008, 02:33 AM

Jack Bauer

conorkilpatrick

06-18-2008, 02:33 AM

Him and Charlton Heston

Neither of those guys scream 4F kid from the Lower East Side.

racemccloud

06-18-2008, 02:37 AM

Seriously, what makes casting Cap tricky is that, in Hollywood, "All-American" is no longer a heroic character type. It's a hokey punchline. So no actor wants to fit that type anymore. "Edgy" and "lovably scruffy" are in, and Cap is neither of those things. So you'd basically either have to cast an unknown, or cast a star against type.

Anyway, Matthew McCounaghey (I spelled that really wrong) might work.

conorkilpatrick

06-18-2008, 02:46 AM

Anyway, Matthew McCounaghey (I spelled that really wrong) might work.

Again, not a first generation Irish-American kid from the Lower East Side, which is what Steve Rogers was. In truth, he'd have one of those thick 1940s New York accents. His voice might get deeper after the Super Soldier Serum, but he's still a New Yorker.

paper

06-18-2008, 02:48 AM

Again, not a first generation Irish-American kid from the Lower East Side, which is what Steve Rogers was. In truth, he'd have one of those thick 1940s New York accents. His voice might get deeper after the Super Soldier Serum, but he's still a New Yorker.

Who's your pick?

six-gun

06-18-2008, 02:57 AM

Paper's idea of having two different guys play cap. One pre serum and one post serum. Is still my favorite.

conorkilpatrick

06-18-2008, 02:58 AM

Who's your pick?

An unknown actor.

six-gun

06-18-2008, 03:00 AM

An unknown actor.

cop-out ;)

gobo

06-18-2008, 03:01 AM

It would pretty much have to be for them to be able to afford the Avengers movie

paper

06-18-2008, 03:11 AM

An unknown actor.

Boooooooooring. ;)

racemccloud

06-18-2008, 03:49 AM

Again, not a first generation Irish-American kid from the Lower East Side, which is what Steve Rogers was.

Understood, but it's called "acting" for a reason. I mean, Christian Bale is British, but he's still the best Bruce Wayne we've seen on-screen, right?

conorkilpatrick

06-18-2008, 04:02 AM

Understood, but it's called "acting" for a reason. I mean, Christian Bale is British, but he's still the best Bruce Wayne we've seen on-screen, right?

Christian Bale is a chameleon. Matthew McConaughey plays himself with all the down home Texas charm he can muster (which is considerable).

racemccloud

06-18-2008, 04:05 AM

Christian Bale is a chameleon. Matthew McConaughey plays himself with all the down home Texas charm he can muster (which is considerable).

Well, McConaughey is a chameleon if you need someone to play a generic down-home Texan.

owlboy

06-18-2008, 04:11 AM

An unknown actor.

What's he ever done?

Neither of those guys scream 4F kid from the Lower East Side.

Do you want to cast Tru Life? Cause that's all he ever screams

I mean, Christian Bale is British, but he's still the best Bruce Wayne we've seen on-screen, right?

Not for nothing but all Bruce Wayne has to make you think is that he's an aloof rich playboy; nationality doesn't really play a role. Cap has to make you think he 100% believes in the American ideal.

Someone on another board suggested Chris Pine:
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/events/DGG-017997.jpg

I like him and if he could play Kirk then maybe he could play Cap. He did well a very naive earnest guy in Blind Dates.

racemccloud

06-18-2008, 04:24 AM

Not for nothing but all Bruce Wayne has to make you think is that he's an aloof rich playboy; nationality doesn't really play a role.

And yet George Clooney STILL couldn't do it.

paper

06-18-2008, 04:30 AM

Ruh roh.

owlboy

06-18-2008, 04:33 AM

And yet George Clooney STILL couldn't do it.

Well if you're gonna bring logic into it...

racemccloud

06-18-2008, 04:34 AM

Ruh roh.

Uh... what's wrong, Scoob? Wanna get high?

conorkilpatrick

06-18-2008, 04:38 AM

And yet George Clooney STILL couldn't do it.

Whoa... whoa... WHOA!

(As I sit here watching Ocean's 13 no less!)

The only worthwhile parts of Batman & Robin were the Clooney as Wayne doing the heart to heart with Alfred scenes. Those were GREAT!

But - back to Captain America.

racemccloud

06-18-2008, 05:03 AM

Whoa... whoa... WHOA!

(As I sit here watching Ocean's 13 no less!)

The only worthwhile parts of Batman & Robin were the Clooney as Wayne doing the heart to heart with Alfred scenes. Those were GREAT!

But - back to Captain America.

If only the "Alfred's so very sick" scenes (everytime he grimaced in pain as some sort of "subtle foreshadowing") didn't make me want to throw things at the screen.

Hey, maybe Michael Gough would be a good Cap.

esophagus

06-18-2008, 05:14 AM

This guy... This guy bleeds America...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f4/Robliefeldpic.jpg/200px-Robliefeldpic.jpg

kahunablair

06-18-2008, 05:37 AM

I agree with Conor that Cap would probably best be cast as a no name, newbie. Sadly with the current climate of Marvel produced movies that is not going to happen. We'll get a Brad Pitt Thor, and the rumors are probably true about Leo or someone of his caliber being Cap.

I personally am with Paper that the best big name for the job is Matt Damon.

conorkilpatrick

06-18-2008, 05:40 AM

If they had to go with a big name they could do a lot worse than Leo.

Man, they are never going to be able to afford the Avengers movie.

kahunablair

06-18-2008, 05:49 AM

They may afford it if the go the Ocean's route. Make it so the actors enjoyed playing the characters so much they won't bargain for a HUGE payout.

Downey seems to be enjoying the role. Sadly (well not for me), Norton doesn't seem to be very happy right about now.

six-gun

06-18-2008, 06:12 AM

I personally am with Paper that the best big name for the job is Matt Damon.

I'm down with that. The Bourne Trilogy is pretty much my favorite trilogy ever that isn't called Lord of the Rings (Man With No Name is #3)

labor_days

06-18-2008, 12:39 PM

I don't believe Matt Damon is the kind of guy that would use a flamethrower while parachuting out of a hot air balloon into a Nazi fortress of death.

Whoever they cast, he has to make me believe in America.

owlboy

06-18-2008, 12:52 PM

Wouldn't be amazing if this movie was responsible for causing a sweeping wave of patriotism?

horatio616

06-18-2008, 03:13 PM

I think their best route would be have a story were Cap takes on corrupted government officials (and make that obvious in the trailer) that way they can still be pro-american values while avoiding the whole propaganda angle that international audiences would be wary of. Besides aren't there a few Cap stories where he went against the government anyway? adapt those stories.

Ugh, I don't think I can handle another shadowy government bad guy story. Comics have mined that territory and then some.

Just avoid politics altogether and give him some good scenes where he's trying to figure out how to use the microwave and then fighting some Nazis and aliens. It's still okay for Nazis to be bad guys, isn't it?

paper

06-18-2008, 03:21 PM

It should just be Blast From the Past with a mask and shield.

horatio616

06-18-2008, 03:34 PM

Matt Damon would be an outstanding choice but then how could they afford Norton, Downey Jr., and Damon?

Clooney was a good Batman.

gobo

06-18-2008, 03:58 PM

Clooney was a good Bruce, I don't think he was a good Batman

horatio616

06-18-2008, 04:01 PM

Clooney was a good Bruce, I don't think he was a good Batman

Nobody can be good in nipple armor.

owlboy

06-18-2008, 04:04 PM

Its a little known fact that all the iFanboys wear nipple armor during the show. In fact all Rev3 hosts do.

gobo

06-18-2008, 04:05 PM

... even the girls?

kahunablair

06-18-2008, 05:35 PM

Clooney was a good Bruce, I don't think he was a good Batman

That's the funny thing, I can't think of one actor that has pulled off both the right way.

gobo

06-18-2008, 05:43 PM

Adam West was great as both. At least for that kind of Batman.

I'm not sure how I feel about Bale as Bruce Wayne, there really wasn't enough of him acting like a playboy in Begins

jmf

06-18-2008, 05:44 PM

I think your right kahuna but some have a better balance than others like Slater couldnt play either side well.

gobo

06-18-2008, 05:48 PM

... Slater!?

jmf

06-18-2008, 05:50 PM

Excuse my brain fart i meant Kilmer! Keep getting them mixed up

gobo

06-18-2008, 05:53 PM

You get Val Kilmer and Christian Slater mixed up!?

That's ... horrifying

horatio616

06-18-2008, 06:02 PM

You get Val Kilmer and Christian Slater mixed up!?

That's ... horrifying

He meant AJ Slater from Saved By the Bell.

jmf

06-18-2008, 06:05 PM

I wish i did, Unfortunately i aren't joking. There seems to be a black spot in my head when it comes to those two.

gobo

06-18-2008, 06:09 PM

I think you should go out and watch some more Val Kilmer movies, especially Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

jmf

06-18-2008, 06:18 PM

Been on my LoveFilm Queue for about 6 months now.

paper

06-18-2008, 07:20 PM

I'm not sure how I feel about Bale as Bruce Wayne, there really wasn't enough of him acting like a playboy in Begins

Really? That was a plot point though.

paper

06-18-2008, 07:21 PM

Seconded on the Kiss Kiss Bang Bang notion. Soooooo good.

gobo

06-18-2008, 07:27 PM

It was really only a handful of brief scenes, I'm hoping that without the origin stuff in TDK that there'll be more development of the Bruce Wayne persona.

I keep trying to get my girlfriend to watch Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, it seems to be futile though.

paper

06-18-2008, 07:30 PM

That should be an easy sell. Robert Downey Jr. is the new Johnny Depp.

gobo

06-18-2008, 07:36 PM

Unfortunately she cares enough about quality to not just watch anything with a random hot guy in it, but on the other hand she'll dismiss pretty much anything with guns or crime in it, even if it's totally awesome

paper

06-18-2008, 07:38 PM

Tell her I endorse it.

gobo

06-18-2008, 07:46 PM

Hell it's worth a shot.

niceguyeddie

06-18-2008, 09:26 PM

Neither of those guys scream 4F kid from the Lower East Side.

steve mcqueen??
http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/movies/slideshow/top-ten-movie-action-heroes/img_4.jpg

mikegraham6

06-18-2008, 11:36 PM

He meant AJ Slater from Saved By the Bell.
A.C. Slater ;) sorry, it was bothering me

(Albert Clifford BTW..... i hate myself soooooo much right now...)

niceguyeddie

06-21-2008, 06:55 PM

i know the guy's a canuck but Nate dog certainly seems to look like a country boy...
http://www.iceposter.com/thumbs/G160052_b.jpg

labor_days

06-22-2008, 12:24 AM

Nah. That's Malcolm Reynolds, not Steve Rogers.

niceguyeddie

06-23-2008, 02:22 AM

Nah. That's Malcolm Reynolds, not Steve Rogers.

i kinda agree with you in that he IS and always will be Mal but i want to see the guy doing something other than crap like White Noise 2 and stuff like that. plus, i really think he could pull it off.

esophagus

06-23-2008, 03:26 AM

Oh that was a serious pick? I would put him on the same level as Liefeld. Just doesn't sit well with me.

owlboy

06-23-2008, 03:29 AM

I'm starting to think that the only person capable of playing Steve Rogers is Steve Rogers

esophagus

06-23-2008, 05:15 AM

I think Bucky Barnes could do it.

owlboy

06-23-2008, 06:20 AM

Didn't you see how horrible his preformance was in The Great Gatsby?

juggling-man

06-23-2008, 12:09 PM

I say bill paxton

gobo

06-23-2008, 12:12 PM

way too old

esophagus

06-23-2008, 01:48 PM

Bill Paxton is 53. Unless Steve Rogers remained unfrozen after the war, and its still the 80s, that just doesn't work.

niceguyeddie

06-24-2008, 01:32 AM

I say bill paxton

i HATE bill paxton.
the only movies i can stand him in is Aliens and Frailty.

gobo

06-24-2008, 02:41 AM

He's good in Big Love, that's pretty much the only time I've liked him.

Oh I guess I enjoyed him in Twister and Apollo 13 too

lord-tork

06-24-2008, 04:55 AM

Hey I can post now! Woot woot!

I like Barry Pepper from Saving Private Ryan but he's gotten too old. I also like George Eads from CSI or James Badge Dale from 24 as Cap but I'm not entirely sure on either.

jonathand-gordon

06-24-2008, 05:16 AM

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/07/17/PH2006071701413.jpg

Colin Ferguson For Captain America

lord-tork

06-24-2008, 05:21 AM

Huh. That's an interesting choice.

smarch

06-24-2008, 07:40 AM

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/07/17/PH2006071701413.jpg

Colin Ferguson For Captain America
Could have possibilities, good if they could get someone around the correct height (6'2"), would just be a nice touch. I would prefer a relative unknown, definately not Mat McConaughey though, need someone who hasn't proven themselves to be completely $@*t at acting. Brad has almost the right look and could work up to the correct frame, but would not be able to pull off the size, it would just look weird if they CG'd him to that size. I'm all for a newbie ala Superman Returns Brandon Ruth.

scoobydiesel

06-24-2008, 12:54 PM

Yeah i dont want to see McConaughey or whatever as Cap, that would suck.

I'm kinda on the unknown actor side of things...

gobo

06-24-2008, 02:27 PM

I still stand by my guy from Boston Legal/Fringe Pilot.

magic-sg1

06-26-2008, 02:02 AM

Boston Legal guy yeah he would was thinking that myself. Colin Ferguson....oooh i like. Matt Damons too short. How about Ben Mc Kenzie from The OC, he has the right look, acting credentials however.......

paper

07-02-2008, 08:33 PM

gungadin

07-02-2008, 08:52 PM

I now fully endorse this choice.

You know the guy's gonna be in Dollhouse, right? That makes me so, so excited.

six-gun

07-02-2008, 11:08 PM

I now fully endorse this choice.

nice! he's a great actor

robertnordberg12

07-04-2008, 02:59 AM

I now fully endorse this choice.

doesn't look American enough

paper

07-04-2008, 03:01 AM

doesn't look American enough

That defines American.

oscarmonteforte

07-04-2008, 03:23 AM

Where Are You?

drwally

07-05-2008, 11:57 AM

I wrote a blog about this (http://entertaininggrime.blogspot.com/2008/05/my-captain-america-movie.html), but since no one reads my blog anyway, I'll post my casting choices here.

Captain America: Tahmoh Penikett

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a161/Sn4ke22/forcap.jpg

I'll add my endorsement, as the best choice here so far. He's an up and coming actor & relatively unknown, but proven track record and some visibility from BSG, and affordable. Also, the ego of a big star not in the way.

He also satisfies three essentials:
1) Ability to bring the right "RARRGH!" factor (thinik: Miller's 300) to the action scenes (Unlike Decaprio, but like Craig).
2) Ability to bring a "softer and thoughtful" aspect to the role (Unlike Craig)
3) Brings the Sexy. Must have the Sexy, that's how you get the girls. Tom Welling, Justin Harley and Jensen Ackles may not be right for Cap, but that "CW Sexy" thing is how you get the girls into the movie theater, like Toby did with Spider-Man. That's a marketing must.

These and a "Big Blast from the Past" Biff Bang Pow quality (like Paper said) is how you overcome any trepidation about a "USA Number One!" vibe that will kill international (and even domestic) marketing.

Also, I would say you need to play up tons of stunt action like the Blade movies (Wesley Snipes) rather than the CGI of Iron Man or the Hulk.

Then it could work. Damon? Too Short. Face? Too boyish. Six Gun is pretty much on track with this one... I like Paper's idea of a double track story - switching back and forth in time, juxtiposing WW!! vs. the ambiguity of today.

Just play up tons of action in the trailers, and they can make money. Nobody knew who the hell iron Man was. Pearl Harbor, BTW, was a big hit in Japan, because they marketed it as a romance in Japan rather than as a war story. Much of Marketing is not what you have, but how you sell it.....

timmywood-

07-06-2008, 05:28 PM

Wait girls think Tobey Macguire is Sexy. I have heard cute, but never sexy.

drwally

07-06-2008, 06:44 PM

Wait girls think Tobey Macguire is Sexy. I have heard cute, but never sexy.

Cute is the New Sexy. :D

The CW is a perfect example of a network catering to young female taste, that men don't really get, surprise surprise. Justin Hartley who played Ollie Queen/Green Arrow on Smallville is the perfect example. He was the guy they picked for the Aquaman series that didn't make it past the pilot stage.

Was he cast because he looks like Ollie Queen in the comics? Of course not. Did he spend more time on that show than Tom Welliing with his shirt off for the male viewers? Of course not. Did he make it way up on the list on the AfterElton top 100 hottest guys of 2008 (like Tom Welling) because the gays like the superhero shows? Of course not. The dude is fine. Very cute. Very sexy.

Supernatural is another perfect example. This is a show that does not get much attention on this forum, not surprised. But there are tons and tons of women that are hot and horny for Jensen Ackles. (He was like 12 or 13 on the AfterElton list). Just look up Supernatural on Youtube, and there are tons of female made tribute videos to the Winchestor boys.

Supernatural is in many ways geared to male tastes - it's a horror show, the dudes are dudes and very blue collar , the Impala, the guns, the very real weapons, the style of the show, the music of the show, etc. But Dean Winchestor (played by Ackles) has a HUGE hot and horny femaie fan base.

A guy friend of mine, also a big fan of Supernatural, made a very telling comment: "I really like the show, but I just wish the two guys didn't look like such pretty boys." They don't act it, but they look it, that's what many girls want, and that is essential to why the show has such a devoted fan base, is still on the air, and there are lots of girls writing "Wincest" fan fiction on the internet.

Again, I don't think that Welling, Ackles, or Hartley would be right for the part of Captain America, but I bet a studio suit would suggest them to get the females interested, in order to make it a "date movie" which are always your big money makers like Spider-Man or Titanic (cute guys for the girls, action for the guys, something like that).

gobo

07-06-2008, 06:47 PM

Man I wouldn't say Jensen is a pretty boy, if I were gay though I'd totally try to hit that.

Also: Supernatural is AMAZING.

casually-drowned

07-06-2008, 06:55 PM

...and there are lots of girls writing "Wincest" fan fiction on the internet.

Padackles is among the funniest things I have ever read on the Internet.

drwally

07-06-2008, 07:09 PM

Man I wouldn't say Jensen is a pretty boy, if I were gay though I'd totally try to hit that.

Also: Supernatural is AMAZING.

TOTALLY AMAZING. I am SO feeling bereft of my Supernatural/Ackles fix because of the strike. I never thought I would ever get into Mullet Rock. Or Impala's. Ackles and Padalecki have really done a great job on the acting front, too. The stuff with Bobby or the dad is all great. Bobby is the BOMB.

See, the key to the Ackles appeal (which totally makes him the star of the show more than Padalecki) is that he is the dude of all dudes, and he is fine looking but not all pumped up with muscles. He has a pretty face, but he has that "bad boy blue collar" authentic flair to him that is totally unforced. His macho didn't come out of a gym, it's in his DNA. And I think this is why he was totally wrong for the part he played in Season 4 of Smallville. Like Jude Law, he is great for the bad boy with a smirk but heart of gold (like Ackles in Dark Angel), but wrong for what Welling does. And I think, wrong for the part of Captain America (Ackles was runner up for the part of Clark, glad they went with Welling as much as I love Ackles).

Padakles. Yes, the combo naming thing like Nuke (Luke and Noah) is really catching on and very funny.. There is a video of Ackles answering a question at a fan gathering about Wincest on Youtube that is priceless - the mostly femaie crowd goes wild. I think the dude must need body guards to keep from being gang raped by hordes of female fans...

owlboy

07-06-2008, 10:27 PM

That defines American.

He looks like a vampire

conorkilpatrick

07-06-2008, 10:55 PM

Two thumbs and two big toes down on Tahmoh Penikett as Steve Rogers. No way, no how.

drwally

07-06-2008, 11:02 PM

Two thumbs and two big toes down on Tahmoh Penikett as Steve Rogers. No way, no how.
Explanation please, very curious as to your why and wherefors. Not enough gravitas and rock solid determination? Need a blond? Prefer Justiin Hartly?
Do tell.

conorkilpatrick

07-06-2008, 11:36 PM

Explanation please, very curious as to your why and wherefors. Not enough gravitas and rock solid determination? Need a blond? Prefer Justiin Hartly?
Do tell.

He doesn't look like an all American kid of Irish descent. Doesn't evoke Steve Rogers in the least.

owlboy

07-07-2008, 12:01 AM

Someone on another board suggested this guy
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0cwm1jK7bXepf/340x.jpg

Philip Winchester; he was in Flyboys which I saw and don't remember him being particularly bad in but the movie was forgettable on the whole so I don't think that's any good indication of his acting talent.

gobo

07-07-2008, 12:58 AM

I stand by my guy from Boston Legal.

But really is being an irish kid essential to Captain America? I don't think irish heritage is really a primary personality trait that absolutely must be adhered to.

conorkilpatrick

07-07-2008, 01:10 AM

I stand by my guy from Boston Legal.

I like Mark Valley a lot as an actor, but he's 44. He's way, way too old.

But really is being an irish kid essential to Captain America? I don't think irish heritage is really a primary personality trait that absolutely must be adhered to.

Somewhat. There's a certain all-American Irish heritage look to Steve Rogers that this guy definitely doesn't have.

gobo

07-07-2008, 01:15 AM

I definitely don't think Mark Valley would work as scrawny Steve pre-serum and also pre-freezing. But I think he'd work well as post-freezing battle vetern Steve.

I don't think Tahmoh would really do a good job, he doesn't really have the clean cut larger than life persona. But really it's more important to me that he can pull off the "feel" of Captain America than the "look".

I don't think Tahmoh has either.

conorkilpatrick

07-07-2008, 01:19 AM

I definitely don't think Mark Valley would work as scrawny Steve pre-serum and also pre-freezing. But I think he'd work well as post-freezing battle vetern Steve.

Well remember that post-freezing Steve is still only in his mid-20s. You could push it to early 30s. 40s is too old, I think. Valley might have worked in his Keen Eddie days.

owlboy

07-07-2008, 01:20 AM

How old physcially was Steve when he got unfrozen?

He shold've been somewhere in his mid-twenties plus the SSS should retard his aging a bit, right? I can't see the actor being any older than in his very early thirties if that's the case.

Winchester is 27 BTW

gobo

07-07-2008, 01:40 AM

Well remember that post-freezing Steve is still only in his mid-20s. You could push it to early 30s. 40s is too old, I think. Valley might have worked in his Keen Eddie days.

True, I always think of Steve as older than that just because he's a man out of time I guess.

It's definitely tough casting. I think Brendan Fraser may have been good if he was a bit younger. Dude CAN actually act he just hasn't chosen to in a long time, and I think he could pull off the man from another time bit well.

conorkilpatrick

07-07-2008, 01:42 AM

It's definitely tough casting. I think Brendan Fraser may have been good if he was a bit younger. Dude CAN actually act he just hasn't chosen to in a long time, and I think he could pull off the man from another time bit well.

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/media/blast-poster.jpg

gobo

07-07-2008, 01:46 AM

Not going to lie, Blast from the past popped into my head as soon as the phrase "Man at out time" did.

owlboy

07-07-2008, 02:56 AM

Paper beat you to it a while back:

It should just be Blast From the Past with a mask and shield.

Anyway cause I'm bored and because my settings make the thread five pages instead of 15, I went to through everyone's (serious) casting choices and have distilled them down to 17 names plus a hold out for an unknown actor (which none of you has managed to provide any credentials for). Gut reaction, who stands out as the best choice:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k215/EAlcantara88/Misc/cap.jpg

conorkilpatrick

07-07-2008, 03:29 AM

... plus a hold out for an unknown actor (which none of you has managed to provide any credentials for)

If you could do that, they wouldn't be unknown.

owlboy

07-07-2008, 03:32 AM

Conor I'm making a joke personifying "An Unknown Actor" as if it were an actual person.

conorkilpatrick

07-07-2008, 03:54 AM

Conor I'm making a joke personifying "An Unknown Actor" as if it were an actual person.

I would like to nominate this person to play Rogers:

http://weblog.leidenuniv.nl/fdr/1948/unknown-person.gif

owlboy

07-07-2008, 03:58 AM

How did you get a picture of my outline?

niceguyeddie

07-07-2008, 05:25 AM

http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/media/blast-poster.jpg

yeah, but he does have some solid acting roles.
The Quiet American
Gods and Monsters
School Ties, which I love.

also, dig him in The Scout

and even his cheesy flicks:
Encino Man
Airheads

drwally

07-07-2008, 01:00 PM

There's a certain all-American Irish heritage look to Steve Rogers that this guy definitely doesn't have.

Unless you're Black Irish. My father (a McNally) once told me, "You are Black Irish, don't trust the other ones, they come from up north." Apparently that's a sentiment still repeated in County Cork, three generations after my father's family immigrated to the U.S.

As for "All America Irish Kid," I don't think they've written the character that way since Joe Simon left the book. What year did Joe Simon leave the book? I think the Kirby/Steranko run in the 60s is more the template, and Brubaker is on record as saying that's his number one influence for the current run. That's where I think Tahmoh Penikett is right, as he fits that version, which also is the Ultimates version Millar did.

As for "evoking" a certain type, I think someone has already made the point that is what "acting" is for. People should also remember that Jessica Alba's really horrible hair and make up in the FF was an exception, not the norm. That was just really badly done hair and make up. Penikett is also half British and all Canadian, and really pretty snow white. Remember, Dean Cain is 1/4 Japanese, 100% Hawaiian, and his jaw, black hair, and cheek bones are actually common characteristics in Northeast Asia. Sometimes you need some "cross breeding" to get that idealistic "white guy" look you see in the comics.

Welling makes the case for casting an unknown actor since nobody knew who the hell he was before Smallville, as does Hugh Jackman. But Captain Picard as Professor X makes the reverse argument. For TV, a complete unknown is OK, but you need someone with some kind of track record for a big Hollywood movie. Picking from the TV actors offers the best choices, IMHO. They bring a known track record, but without the big price tag or big ego.

The A-List celebrities should all be crossed off the list. Each one comes with a 20 million price tag, and probably a Halle Berry/Nick Cage sized ego as to how the part should be played, that is NOT good. Robert Downey Jr. is a very rare exception and a good sport, and you really need someone who will be in this for 3 movies at least, not pull a tantrum like the star of the new Hulk, and be affordable.

So, like Bucky with a machine gun, I got Tahmoh's back... I'm sticking with my choice. Yeah, you need to evoke the "All American" thing, whatever that is, but also you need someone who can be incredibly stoic but still do the ..

"Bucky!!!! NO0000000000000000........!"

drwally

07-07-2008, 01:03 PM

Anyway cause I'm bored and because my settings make the thread five pages instead of 15, I went to through everyone's (serious) casting choices and have distilled them down to 17 names plus a hold out for an unknown actor. Gut reaction, who stands out as the best choice:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k215/EAlcantara88/Misc/cap.jpg

Owlboy, this is a great line up of the serious choices mentioned, thanks for putting this together!

Edit: Both Hugh Jackman and John Barrowman were verterans of musicals before becoming big actions stars, which is a lesson in not underestimating what an actor is capable of.

niceguyeddie

07-07-2008, 06:57 PM

what about the youtube guy?
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8hwMjWkvAU

six-gun

07-07-2008, 10:46 PM

How did you get a picture of my outline?

congratulations on your genericness ;)

owlboy

07-08-2008, 06:36 PM

http://theinfosphere.org/images/thumb/b/b8/Atkins.jpg/225px-Atkins.jpg

I don't believe in being gussied up, duded out, getting down or where it's at.

six-gun

07-08-2008, 06:40 PM

http://theinfosphere.org/images/thumb/b/b8/Atkins.jpg/225px-Atkins.jpg

I don't believe in being gussied up, duded out, getting down or where it's at.

I feelz ya dawg! ;)

magic-sg1

07-14-2008, 08:37 PM

Im telling ya's Benjamin Mc Kenzie has the right look

gobo

07-14-2008, 09:02 PM

He's a horrible fucking actor and isn't he like 3 feet tall?

conorkilpatrick

07-14-2008, 09:13 PM

He's a horrible fucking actor and isn't he like 3 feet tall?

He's 5'9 .

drwally

07-15-2008, 04:02 PM

He's 5'9 .

I'm not prejudiced against someone just because they are short. It's not their fault - they were born that way.:rolleyes:

I'm still holding the line for Tahmoh Pennikett.

gobo

07-15-2008, 04:23 PM

He's 5'9 .
Exactly, that's too short for Cap.

brandeezy

08-10-2008, 05:01 PM

Helo from BSG is an inspired choice. He's a good actor on a critically-acclaimed but relatively small show. I'm sure camera trickery could make him look pre-SS serum.

six-gun

08-10-2008, 07:33 PM

Helo from BSG is an inspired choice.

Thank you :)

cammyknoxville

09-08-2008, 09:21 PM

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/09/08/exclusive-is-will-smith-the-new-captain-america/

When Marvel announced that “Captain America” was making its way to the big-screen, fans everywhere began speculating who would be donning the famous red-white-and-blue tights. Nothing has been heard since, but during an MTV News interview regarding his role in “Miracle at St. Anna,” actor Derek Luke let slip that a very prominent - and surprising - face could be the star of Marvel Studios’ next blockbuster film.

“I heard they offered Will Smith ‘Captain America,’” said Luke, adding that the intriguing casting rumor “just shows you how times have changed.”

VERY interesting choice. So they might not be focusing on Steve Rogers, but rather Isaiah Bradley.

owlboy

09-08-2008, 09:40 PM

I think he may have been kidding

conorkilpatrick

09-08-2008, 09:41 PM

VERY interesting choice. So they might not be focusing on Steve Rogers, but rather Isaiah Bradley.

A random rumor from a random actor who heard something?

cammyknoxville

09-08-2008, 09:49 PM

As usual,

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh81/cammyscomiccorner/conorparade.jpg

owlboy

09-08-2008, 09:56 PM

Conor is a mighty and powerful god but he is also vengeful and punitive

neb

09-09-2008, 04:04 AM

esophagus

09-09-2008, 04:12 AM

Nothing against Isaiah Bradley and such, but I don't like Will Smith as Cap. Plus, it'd be a weird Avengers movie that way. In my mind, at the time of the Avengers forming, Cap is a cornbread, hokey white guy who still lives in the 1940s state of mind. I just don't see Will Smith bringing it to that character.

That said, it's probably complete and absolute rumor.Steve Rogers may have been a nerd before the serum, Isaiah Bradley went through something different.

http://modulo1.rendered.startpda.net/27950001-28000000/27992289_500_500_GJpK.jpeg

racemccloud

09-09-2008, 05:33 AM

Steve Rogers may have been a nerd before the serum, Isaiah Bradley went through something different.

http://modulo1.rendered.startpda.net/27950001-28000000/27992289_500_500_GJpK.jpeg

Hey! Hey! Don't you point fingers! That's how he became the prince of a town called Bel Air, so don't knock it 'til you've tried it!

conorkilpatrick

09-09-2008, 09:13 PM

Multiple sources from MARVEL have confirmed that Derek Luke, of Spike Lee's MIRACLE AT ST. ANNA, doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to Will Smith and CAPTAIN AMERICA. Marvel never offered the part, nor did they approach or entertain a conversation about Will Smith for CAPTAIN AMERICA. That said - I'm sure they have a few parts that they'd like him for, just not Captain America.

Source (http://www.aintitcoolnews.com/node/38258)

esophagus

09-09-2008, 09:16 PM

I figured as much.

An actor I've never heard of, unrelated to the movie, mentions it in an interview with MTV. Didn't sound like much of a real story.

conorkilpatrick

09-09-2008, 09:21 PM

I figured as much.

An actor I've never heard of, unrelated to the movie, mentions it in an interview with MTV. Didn't sound like much of a real story.

Didn't stop one of the more reputable comic websites from reporting it as fact (along with Michael Caine's casting musings). Some days I wonder...

owlboy

09-10-2008, 12:45 AM

An actor I've never heard of,

Hold on, you've never seen Antwon Fisher?

cammyknoxville

09-10-2008, 02:40 AM

So I jumped the gun a little bit. Happens to the best of us.

esophagus

09-10-2008, 03:15 AM

Hold on, you've never seen Antwon Fisher?He was in that? Oh. I didn't love it.

darron

09-12-2008, 01:07 PM

I don't remember who said it first (Kahuna, maybe?), but someone mentioned Denzel Washington for Captain America. I still think, as far as known actors, he'd be best. He's got the acting chops, chin, carisma, all you need.

High hopes, maybe, but it'd be pretty damn sweet.

cenquist

09-12-2008, 01:54 PM

Robert Downey played a black guy in a movie, so why couldn't Denzel play a white guy in a movie! :-)

optimus187prime

09-12-2008, 02:15 PM

Washington is too old, we need a young 20 something Cap. He has to have that fresh out of the ice look that the ladies die for.

hank41

09-12-2008, 02:28 PM

Washington is too old, we need a young 20 something Cap. He has to have that fresh out of the ice look that the ladies die for.

i think he should be like...33 or around there

optimus187prime

09-12-2008, 02:39 PM

i think he should be like...33 or around there

But he was supposed to be a scrawny 18 something around the start of WWII, and was frozen before the end on the war.

esophagus

09-12-2008, 10:46 PM

i think he should be like...33 or around thereWhy? That gets rid of the whole skinny teen Steve Rogers bit, which is a huge part of it.

optimus187prime

09-12-2008, 10:48 PM

Let me guess Hank, you loved Luke Perry as a high school student in 90210?

kahunablair

09-13-2008, 02:36 AM

Well, here's the hard part:
How much of the movie is going to be Pre-Serum Steve Rogers and how much is Captain America?
If he becomes Cap 1/4 of the movie in, then you have to cast the role with Cap in mind, not Puny Rogers. If they make this into the franchise they want it to be, they need someone that can pull off the big Cap role. Puny Rogers won't matter in Captain America 2: Red, White, and Electric Boogaloo or The Avengers.

The studio has two options here:
-They can go the two actor route.
-They can use tricks of photography and CGI to make the same actor look different.

racemccloud

10-13-2008, 11:03 PM

So on AICN they have a story about a purported Easter Egg on the "Incredible Hulk" DVD: supposedly, in an alternate opening sequence, you catch a glimpse of Captain America frozen in the ice. Hmmm... for realz? Check it out here:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/38716

gobo

10-13-2008, 11:08 PM

I saw that the other day and thought it was more than a bit of a stretch

paper

10-13-2008, 11:36 PM

Yeah, they've been talking about that since before the movie was released theatrically. It was in the original script.

sullivan85

10-14-2008, 02:48 PM

conorkilpatrick

10-14-2008, 06:16 PM

Do you think the Hulk-in-artic scene was taken out because it didn't fit the movie? Or because Marvel didn't want their Cap movie to have to adhere to something in the Hulk movie?

I think it's the latter. I don't think that they wanted to be tied to whatever they did in Hulk.

matthaber1

10-14-2008, 11:29 PM

Do you think the Hulk-in-artic scene was taken out because it didn't fit the movie? Or because Marvel didn't want their Cap movie to have to adhere to something in the Hulk movie?

Either way, Cap's shield in Iron Man, and the Capsicle in Hulk is pretty cool. Maybe in Iron Man 2 Thor's hammer will be seen holding down paper's on Tony's desk!

actually it has already been said why it wataken out, it was because the scene was to dark for kids to see. In the scene he was trying to kill him self, and they wouldnt allow that in it.