Political Correctness, run amok?

[mikec]

Here are two links, one about a youth All Star game being canceled because someone doesn't want to hurt the feelings of kids not selected (not good enough or talented enough in that sport) and the other about a school saying if you are not inviting everyone, then you can't hand out the invitations at school.

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/16717616/detail.html?subid=10101081

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7479758.stm

As far as the youth game, does that group have a championship? If so, then they are very hypocritical and being two faced. What is next, requiring a test for all participants, isolated from everyone else to see how good/bad you are and then that person is issued a handicap, like golf.

As for the story about the invitations, I think eight year old kids are old enough to understand that not everyone is going to be your friend. Some people will be a buddy, others... well, you won't give that kid some coins so he can buy a candy bar on the way home.

Again, let's try to keep this civil and adult.

Can our Swedish member provide any update?

[rabidbadger]

"If everyone is special then nobody is special" ~The Incredibles


sounds like the folks making these decisions are er, "special"

[tokenuser]

I couldn't find the link I was specifically looking for, but this one is pretty close to the mark.

http://www.virtualsalt.com/comments.htm

When my wife heard the "do the grading in neutral green or blue colours with pencil so that grades can be erased and changed" she burst out laughing.

Red Sharpies all the way. If you're a college student, you should be able to handle failure at this point in life.

[darknessgp]

...
Red Sharpies all the way. If you're a college student, you should be able to handle failure at this point in life.

I can understand the grading stuff for certain students. There are some that take grades way too seriously. I mean I knew a girl that cried because she got a B+ on a test instead of her usual A.

That said, If I'm every a teacher I will be using a big red sharpie. and if they get an F... I'm going to write Fail, with the F big and circled.

[comhcinc]

i think the first story is complete bunk. kids should learn that some people are better at things than they are and they should be encouraged to try harder. what a lot of people fail to grasp is that while some talent is involve in sports it's mostly hard work that makes good players. hard work should be awarded. the allstar game helps award those players that work hard but are on a team that is bad.

as for the second story i do kinda agree. the kid was allowed to hand the them out doing class time and from the way the story was wrote it seems like the child was allowed to do that with the understanding that everyone would be invited. i dunno seem like school during class is the wrong time to do that anyway.

[tokenuser]

She has students who get so worked up about grades that the quibble about lossing 15 marks in a test out of 100 that was worth 2% of their final assessment.

thats right ... they got 1.7/2 ... wth rounding and other things that happen, its pretty much onconsequential.

[skyz]

i knew a girl who graduated from smith who was still whining about one b she got in her whole academic career

i just cared to keep my gpa up for the sake of my scholarship and for my rep as a 'smart ass' :D

some teachers were not that fond of me :rolleyes: or sometimes my work was not that stellar so i got a couple bs

i even got a c

perfection in the eyes of the professor was not the goal

[tokenuser]

If I had the equivalent of a GPA in the US it would be abysmal. Not "President f the United States" bad, but mediocre at best. Emphasis was not placed on grades in Australia, but more on what you learnt. It was also very difficult to compare apples to apples, as the grading wasn't standardised at all.

Whatever. I was working full time, and far more interested in control systems for steel mills than comparative (software) languages anyway.

[rabidbadger]

I think we need to rename this thread "Grammar, spelling and typo correctness run amok" and then have Token's wife take a big red sharpie to it. ;)

[tokenuser]

I think we need to rename this thread "Grammar, spelling and typo correctness run amok" and then have Token's wife take a big red sharpie to it. ;)She is the last person you want correcting grammar, spelling, and typos.

[rabidbadger]

haha. my professor stepfather teaches Media at George Mason, and he totally marks down papers for spelling and grammar.

[AutoDas]

This is what happens when discrimination becomes a dirty word.

[rabidbadger]

discrimination IS a dirty word. You just using it wrong.

[skyz]

discrimination IS a dirty word. You just using it wrong.

actually it is not necessarily a dirty word

to be discriminating in your values is a good thing

to be discriminating in the media you consume is good

to be discriminating in a lot of things is very good

it is only when applied to people it becomes ugly

[AutoDas]

discrimination IS a dirty word. You just using it wrong.

How am I using it wrong? I discriminate what food I eat and what people I like. You don't?

[rabidbadger]

How am I using it wrong? I discriminate what food I eat and what people I like. You don't?

we both know we are talking social discrimination. Quit hiding your true thoughts with the food, friends thing. We both know what you are saying.

[AutoDas]

umm what? Friends are a social discrimination.

[AGeexChick]

Back on to the original issue...

Coming from the view of someone who has participated in sport events as a young child and had to go through the picks of "All Star" status and someone who has studied child development under the modern ways of child-rearing... First off, I can see why they are questioning "when is a child just learning a game and when are they old enough to compete in it?" Shouldn't we be teaching kids the game rather than making them compete for it (up to a point {age/developmental readiness, etc.}). On the other hand, competition breeds greatness, though not in all. I didn't make the All Star team right off the bat (no pun intended), but what that did was make me try harder so that next year I would make that team. And I did. It lead me to a great time playing softball, going so far as to training with the US Olympic team.
To be honest, not everyone is All Star material. At this point in a child's life, it's not really left up to the child what activities he/she wants to do. Parents dabble their children in this and that, and hope that the child will find something that he/she is interested in. Maybe that All Star game is just what a kid needs to start to realize what he or she is really good at. And if they want it enough, they'll work to improve their game, so to say.

Again, with the second article. I can almost agree with this complaint, but no matter how hard I try, it still rubs me wrong. This seems to be a particular case, though. When there are all but two children in class invited to a party, it does seem rather unfair and hurtful. I think this is where the parents need to come in and make some discretionary decisions.
At 8yrs old, what's that? 1st or 2nd grade? Sure there were cliques in my class at that grade level, and we all understood it, but it's not that only two were left out. That almost leads me to think that this 8 year old child was almost trying to be vindictive and vengeful towards the other two. "...the two children were left out because one did not invite his son to his own party and he had fallen out with the other one."
I suppose this is the nature of the birth of cliques, but a parent still has a responsibility at this point to at least try to reason with their child in something like this.


Also, grammar and spelling does count!!! I'm too much a stickler for it. I guess teachers nowadays say that "spelling doesn't count" because everyone has spell check on their computers. What's the need to know how to punctuate and spell anymore?

[Quix]

They...canceled an All-Star game because they didn't want anyone to feel bad? When I was a kid we always organized basketball tournaments, and none of us really cared when we lost because like they said: "children don't care. What they really care about is having fun and playing." It's just the parents who want everyone to get a trophy who care.

They also failed to realize that the children who love baseball will probably feel bad because they won't get to play.

The point about the birthday party seems less strange to me but it certainly shouldn't be something the Swedish parliament is dragged into. The parents should work it out among themselves if they think it's that big a deal.

I couldn't find the link I was specifically looking for, but this one is pretty close to the mark.

http://www.virtualsalt.com/comments.htm

When my wife heard the "do the grading in neutral green or blue colours with pencil so that grades can be erased and changed" she burst out laughing.

Red Sharpies all the way. If you're a college student, you should be able to handle failure at this point in life.

Every professor I've ever had used red and I never ended up in the corner hunched over and consumed by self-loathing so I agree.

The red also stands out against the black and white more than the blue and green would which makes it easier to read. Of course, if blue and green becomes representative of critique(which is of course the entire point of grading) someone will make an article saying "do the grading in red, the green stands out to your students like sewage."

[skyz]

we both know we are talking social discrimination. Quit hiding your true thoughts with the food, friends thing. We both know what you are saying.

i had a spiritual teacher an indian guru advise us to be discriminating in our choice of association

he used exactly that word

of course he meant to avoid those whose habits and influence were detrimental to our spiritual development

so yes i do discriminate

i don't like druggies

i don't like liars

and i don't like excess drama trauma

i discrminate against people with certain attitudes and behaviors

it is the leap of thought that certain groups or people tend to have undesirable qualities that creates what you call social discrimination

[Quix]

Exactly. There's nothing wrong with being discriminating about who you associate with. What's wrong is when it becomes bigotry which I don't think was what AutoDas was defending.

[forthekids85]

Also, grammar and spelling does count!!! I'm too much a stickler for it.

Shouldn't that be "grammar and spelling do count" ? :D


Concerning the articles, I think it's a shame to continuously "soften" children by applying rules to their lives that don't run in parallel to the things they'll see once they're older. I don't want to see children depressed, but I also think it's essential to learn how the real world works.

Rejection and failure are a huge part of life. I can say, without a doubt, I have failed at more things in my life than I can count. And from those failures, I've learned to appreciate the things I succeed at and become even better at them. Rejection hardens you and allows you to become more confident in yourself.

I can't name all of the people I know who were never faced with failures or rejection in their childhoods, and now they fall apart at a moment's notice. It's the same thing with the stories you hear about kids committing suicide because the girl they liked in math class didn't like them back. Perhaps, if they were taught earlier that rejection and failure can be very good things to learn from, things like that wouldn't happen.


I guarantee one of those kids who didn't make the All Star team would bust his ass all of the off-season to get better and show everyone that he was better than they thought he was. That's a life lesson that should be supported and applauded, not done away with.

[skyz]

Exactly. There's nothing wrong with being discriminating about who you associate with. What's wrong is when it becomes bigotry which I don't think was what AutoDas was defending.

right i don't like people who do drugs i admit it life gets real ugly around them

now if in my mind i think that x ethnic group are ALL druggies then it becomes the wrong kind of discrimination

[Quix]

Yep.

more letters so it will post.

[skyz]

I guarantee one of those kids who didn't make the All Star team would bust his ass all of the off-season to get better and show everyone that he was better than they thought he was. That's a life lesson that should be supported and applauded, not done away with.

heroism / glory / satisfaction is in the overcoming of obstacles

and then they make the movie and everyone is inspired

[AGeexChick]

Shouldn't that be "grammar and spelling do count" ? :D

Wow, I cannot believe that I did that... I'd love to say that it was on purpose. Yeah... It was on purpose!!! That was *totally* to prove a point.

[skyz]

Wow, I cannot believe that I did that... I'd love to say that it was on purpose. Yeah... It was on purpose!!! That was *totally* to prove a point.

it is the internet i really think so i see so much hear for here their for there

i know not that many people really don't know better

i never make mistakes like that writing by pen

but the other day i used your for you're :o

that is the worst wrong word usage

[Quix]

I did that until a professor corrected my test with a red pen. I was so traumatized that I swore to myself "never again."

[esophagus]

Here are two links, one about a youth All Star game being canceled because someone doesn't want to hurt the feelings of kids not selected (not good enough or talented enough in that sport) and the other about a school saying if you are not inviting everyone, then you can't hand out the invitations at school.

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/16717616/detail.html?subid=10101081

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7479758.stm

As far as the youth game, does that group have a championship? If so, then they are very hypocritical and being two faced. What is next, requiring a test for all participants, isolated from everyone else to see how good/bad you are and then that person is issued a handicap, like golf.

As for the story about the invitations, I think eight year old kids are old enough to understand that not everyone is going to be your friend. Some people will be a buddy, others... well, you won't give that kid some coins so he can buy a candy bar on the way home.

Again, let's try to keep this civil and adult.

Can our Swedish member provide any update?I agree with the latter story. Its the same as the "if you aren't bringing enough candy for everyone, you cant eat the candy" thing. Birthday parties aren't school events, so there shouldn't be select kids getting to discuss it in class. Wait for recess or something.

As far as the sports thing goes, its just being stupid. This is like a worse form of affirmative action. Like instead of "lets give the minorities a job" they said "minorities don't have jobs? I guess we should all be unemployed." I don't see how starting a B-Team or something could have hurt anyone, but not letting anyone play is useless.

[AGeexChick]

it is the internet i really think so i see so much hear for here their for there

i know not that many people really don't know better

i never make mistakes like that writing by pen

but the other day i used your for you're :o

that is the worst wrong word usage



Capitalization and punctuation should be staples in writing, as well. :D

[skyz]

Capitalization and punctuation should be staples in writing, as well. :D

ee cummings :rolleyes:

i'm a poet i can be creative in any way i like

i got my degrees now i do things my way

picasso was perfectly capable of painting like rembrandt but he did not want to

:)

[masherscf]

ee cummings :rolleyes:

i'm a poet i can be creative in any way i like

i got my degrees now i do things my way

picasso was perfectly capable of painting like rembrandt but he did not want to

:)



Assaulting someone's grammar online is a sure sign that you're losing an argument.

My Ph.D. is in Mathematics, so I'm all over the place...

[rabidbadger]

right i don't like people who do drugs i admit it life gets real ugly around them

now if in my mind i think that x ethnic group are ALL druggies then it becomes the wrong kind of discrimination

OK, yeah, that's what I meant.

You worded it better, as usual :D

But Mr. Das has, in the past expressed bigotry, as apposed to discrimination. aka, in his comments in the neg rep he once gave me.

[masherscf]

OK, yeah, that's what I meant.

You worded it better, as usual :D

But Mr. Das has, in the past expressed bigotry, as apposed to discrimination. aka, in his comments in the neg rep he once gave me.

'Das loves the negative reps. It's fun to look at all the reps he gives everyone. He even likes to rep himself.

[Quix]

But Mr. Das has, in the past expressed bigotry, as apposed to discrimination. aka, in his comments in the neg rep he once gave me.

Huh, then I may have been wrong about the intent of his statement.

[rabidbadger]

Capitalization and punctuation should be staples in writing, as well. :D

Yeah, I love Skyz, and all, but I had to read what she wrote 3 times to get her point. And that gets tiresome after a couple thousand posts. There was only one ee cummings. And reading a book of his stuff gets you you in his groove. But I bet he didn't talk at gatherings or with a friend, and never pause, (comma) end a sentence (period) or communicate other ways that punctuation is the written representation of. And yeah, finished that sentence with a preposition, sue me! :D

[rabidbadger]

'Das loves the negative reps. It's fun to look at all the reps he gives everyone. He even likes to rep himself.

We can do that? I rep my myself at least once a day, but not sure that's what you were talking about.

[masherscf]

We can do that? I rep my myself at least once a day, but not sure that's what you were talking about.

No, you can't. Not in a way that doesn't violate forum rules. I was a joke.

[xibalba]

i am pretty good at not using punctuation as badger constantly points out in AIM conversation :D

[rabidbadger]

but back on topic. concerning the "all star" game.
I mean, what's the point of an all star game when kids are concerned?
"Hey, you, kid I know you tried hard, and helped the team all season, but you know what, that kid next to you was better. made one more hit than you, so you aren't good enough. You suck. You can't play this "fun" game any more. go away"

I think sports is cruel with kids, and juvenile with adults. Trillions of dollars spent to watch adults play kids games. I think they should all just grow up.

[Quix]

I guess, but I don't see the all-star game as being any different than a school spelling or geography bee(in terms of the child not winning.) I took part in all of those and never won, yet I enjoyed them immensely.

[rabidbadger]

i am pretty good at not using punctuation as badger constantly points out in AIM conversation :D

awww. I only do it 'cause I wanna make sure I understand you (and others) completely. Spelling, grammar "aint" that important in casual chat/forums. but as long as you don't conciously try to obfuscate, (like Skys does) then I'm fine.


I mean, Skys, if you and me were having a fun chat at a party, and I had to ask you to repeat everything you said 3 times, cause you talked in a uninterrupted monotone to the point that I walked away, how is that communicating? you are doing the same thing here, cept in purple. :p

[skyz]

Yeah, I love Skyz, and all, but I had to read what she wrote 3 times to get her point. And that gets tiresome after a couple thousand posts. There was only one ee cummings. And reading a book of his stuff gets you you in his groove. But I bet he didn't talk at gatherings or with a friend, and never pause, (comma) end a sentence (period) or communicate other ways that punctuation is the written representation of. And yeah, finished that sentence with a preposition, sue me! :D


there is also only one me

[skyz]

but as long as you don't conciously try to obfuscate, (like Skys does) then I'm fine.


I mean, Skys, if you and me were having a fun chat at a party, and I had to ask you to repeat everything you said 3 times, cause you talked in a uninterrupted monotone to the point that I walked away, how is that communicating? you are doing the same thing here, cept in purple. :p

i am in no way trying to obfuscate

i would never waste my energy in such a way

my posts are not an uninterrupted monologue

what do you think the spaces are for ?

trying reading my posts out loud

then it becomes much clearer

[AutoDas]

OK, yeah, that's what I meant.

You worded it better, as usual :D

But Mr. Das has, in the past expressed bigotry, as apposed to discrimination. aka, in his comments in the neg rep he once gave me.

Where have I expressed bigotry? False accusations.

A lot of people here support government discrimination.

[skyz]

Assaulting someone's grammar online is a sure sign that you're losing an argument.

My Ph.D. is in Mathematics, so I'm all over the place...

i really should go to law school

then i could get paid for arguing

i could charge a lot :cool:

and still have too many potential clients

[skyz]

awww. I only do it 'cause I wanna make sure I understand you (and others) completely. Spelling, grammar "aint" that important in casual chat/forums. but as long as you don't conciously try to obfuscate, (like Skys does) then I'm fine.


I mean, Skys, if you and me were having a fun chat at a party, and I had to ask you to repeat everything you said 3 times, cause you talked in a uninterrupted monotone to the point that I walked away, how is that communicating? you are doing the same thing here, cept in purple. :p

btw it is you and i not you and me :D

and go ahead and walk away

not everyone would you can bet on that :p

[rabidbadger]

btw it is you and i not you and me :D

and go ahead and walk away

not everyone would you can bet on that :p

aww, I think you are awesome. smart, thoughtful, knowledgeable, sounds like you are talented and creative, and believe me I totally respect individuality and original ways folks can present themselves, online and off, I just have trouble with your mode of communication.

anyway, don't wanna derail this thread further, if you want we can PM or chat.

[rabidbadger]

OK. one more derail. but must be done...

Dear Autodas,

Found out from very official channels that you were NOT the one who said "fuck you ****ot" in a rep reply. Circumstantial evidence narrowed it down to two folks and you were one of them. I Sincerly, honestly apologize for blameing you.

Joel.

[rabidbadger]

now back to the fun, cause this is a cool topic! :)

[skyz]

OK. one more derail. but must be done...

Dear Autodas,

Found out from very official channels that you were NOT the one who said "fuck you ****ot" in a rep reply. Circumstantial evidence narrowed it down to two folks and you were one of them. I Sincerly, honestly apologize for blameing you.

Joel.

neg reps are so cowardly

i have never given one

but i've got a bunch ;)

[rabidbadger]

neg reps are so cowardly

i have never given one

but i've got a bunch ;)

well, Ill fix that, m'Lady!

[AGeexChick]

You know, the way I see it, we're paying for entertainment. And these sports guys entertain. I love watching the Yankees, win or lose. I have a great time watching the Super Bowl with a few beers. It's just a way to relax.
Yet, these people have All Star games. It's the same thing. "You're not good enough to play with us, so you get to sit in the stands today." Those not picked all come back two days later and play their regularly scheduled games and don't seem to complain about it. It's in the numbers -- the better stats you have, the more chance you have of being part of the best.

As to kids, I want to look at the flip side of it. Is it fair that the last place team gets the same trophy as the first place team? They give out the participation trophies for most little league sports. I remember when my soccer team was recognized as first place that year. We were all so proud getting our trophies until we saw the last place team got the same ones just for being a part of it all.
I don't agree that they should have been left out, but I always wanted something better/bigger than what they received.

I'm trying to play devil's advocate with this flip side. I'm curious as to what you all think of this.

[skyz]

You know, the way I see it, we're paying for entertainment. And these sports guys entertain. I love watching the Yankees, win or lose. I have a great time watching the Super Bowl with a few beers. It's just a way to relax.
Yet, these people have All Star games. It's the same thing. "You're not good enough to play with us, so you get to sit in the stands today." Those not picked all come back two days later and play their regularly scheduled games and don't seem to complain about it. It's in the numbers -- the better stats you have, the more chance you have of being part of the best.

As to kids, I want to look at the flip side of it. Is it fair that the last place team gets the same trophy as the first place team? They give out the participation trophies for most little league sports. I remember when my soccer team was recognized as first place that year. We were all so proud getting our trophies until we saw the last place team got the same ones just for being a part of it all.
I don't agree that they should have been left out, but I always wanted something better/bigger than what they received.

I'm trying to play devil's advocate with this flip side. I'm curious as to what you all think of this.

i agree

not everyone is outstanding in every way and even those that outstand in some way are are not always so

and what is the big deal about being outstanding anyway

ordinary is not equal to mediocre or second rate

i think we have constructed a false mindset that everyone must be a *star* or they are by default losers

ending up with the weird state of affairs that some of our biggest made up stars are real losers :D

[phatlip12]

'Das loves the negative reps. It's fun to look at all the reps he gives everyone. He even likes to rep himself.

OMG, you guys can do that? I never knew I could do that when I was a mod! I mean, I knew I could read who sent me a rep but I didn't know I could see others. Damn, make me a mod again for about 10 minutes- I'm in a nosy mood.


;)

[AGeexChick]

i agree

not everyone is outstanding in every way and even those that outstand in some way are are not always so

and what is the big deal about being outstanding anyway

ordinary is not equal to mediocre or second rate

i think we have constructed a false mindset that everyone must be a *star* or they are by default losers

ending up with the weird state of affairs that some of our biggest made up stars are real losers :D


I think it's great to be outstanding at something! And if we look at the broader aspect of this topic, look at life in general. For example, the guys who manage this site. As kids, I bet they would have won to be the so-called All Stars of their field.
When I am sick, I do want an outstanding doctor, not a second rate/mediocre doctor. I don't even want a mediocre mechanic working on my car. It's not like we pick the second best guy in real life, why should we misdirect children to think this is the way it is?
We don't go into a field of study or work if we're bad at it, and we (as least I do) strive to be the best in it. And why not?
Ok, here's a good example: Do we want a president who ranked 894 of 899 students in the Naval Academy and was unable to get into the Nat. War College w/out the help of his parents? I'm not saying that I think I would do any better at the school, but for the purposes here, I want someone who is actually good at what they've strived to become for the last forty somewhat odd years.

Please, I don't mean for this to become a political conversation about presidential candidates. I was just using it as an example.

[tokenuser]

Ok, here's a good example: Do we want a president who ranked 894 of 899 students in the Naval Academy and was unable to get into the Nat. War College w/out the help of his parents?

<snip>

Please, I don't mean for this to become a political conversation about presidential candidates. I was just using it as an example.

Actually, thats a great example. It shows that with the right connections, it doesn't matter how mediocre you are. Branding and viral marketing can really help a struggling product.

I was an "All Star" in high school - getting recognition at a national level for Mathematics and Science through national competitions. It doesn't get you a "Letter" jacket, but it sets you apart. Unfortunately, in a society where sports prowess is put above intellectual prowess, achieving academically is almost a negative.

When a school stops participation in an All Star athletic team, I wonder what message it is really sending? Is it that noone is better than anyone else, or that mediocrity is acceptable?

I wonder what the values of the school actually are? Dont stand out from the crowd? State average is AOK? Don't be mean, be average?

[Heyseuss]

Unfortunately, in a society where sports prowess is put above intellectual prowess, achieving academically is almost a negative.

It's not prowess that people use to comapre the two levels of achievement, it's marketability. A sports star is a cash cow, so what if he's a steroid pumped, 3rd grade reading level rapist, he can make other people alot of money and entertain, the easily entertained.

[skyz]

We don't go into a field of study or work if we're bad at it, and we (as least I do) strive to be the best in it. And why not?


you bring up a very interesting point

i avoided math like the plague till i saw the movie 'a beautiful mind' and it upset me that i had not a clue what that equation he wrote on the board said much less meant

so i decided to change my attitude and lo and behold i was good at it and i was into it

if i had known that earlier (in other words had not somehow become intimidated by math) i would have become a theoretical physicist

at the time the internet was founded and in its early development the IT guys were not socially cool now they are rock stars

you really don't know what you are good at and if you let outside influences decide for you you may never find out

the person who is denied the place on the sports team might later become a nobel laureate

today's cool is tomorrow's passe

[skyz]

When I am sick, I do want an outstanding doctor, not a second rate/mediocre doctor. I don't even want a mediocre mechanic working on my car.

an ordinary doctor is fine for ordinary complaints

i don't need a specialist to give me a tetanus shot

i did need a specialist when i had surgery on my hand

i also don't need a formula one mechanic to change the oil in my car

if i owned a bugatti then it would be different

ordinary is not synonymous to mediocre or second rate

[skyz]

It's not prowess that people use to comapre the two levels of achievement, it's marketability. A sports star is a cash cow, so what if he's a steroid pumped, 3rd grade reading level rapist, he can make other people alot of money and entertain, the easily entertained.

i was having a convo with someone about why the large hadron collider was not bigger news

i think it is because people are too lazy to learn enough about what it is and why it is to care

10,000 scientists from 85 countries at a cost of 5 to 10 billion us dollars

fyi: it was margaret thatcher that approved the initial funding

looking for information on the first second or quark second after the big bang

i would say too stupid but i like to give people at least some credit

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[comhcinc]

a couple of points here. if for no other reason other than to keep things in perspective here.

why are rock stars and sports players cool and mathematicians and IT guys are not is simple. rock conceits and sporting events get our blood pumping. they are exciting.

math is not. it can be interesting, but not exciting. even if you add fireworks and a half time show staring duran duran math will still be boring when compared to football to most people.

there are over 200 stories about the hardon collider on google news. which is silly if you ask me cause they are not even turning the thing on until August.

John Nash was as well known for racism as he was for his madd math skillz . he was less known for cheating on his wife and gay bathroom sex. a beautiful mind indeed.

[tokenuser]

there are over 200 stories about the hardon collider on google news. which is silly if you ask me cause they are not even turning the thing on until August.<snigger>the hardon collider (http://largehardoncollider.com/)<snigger> ... Isn't that a gay nightclub in San Francisco?

[comhcinc]

lol you know what i should change that, but i am just going stand. that is how unimportant that story is rightr now.

[skyz]

lol you know what i should change that, but i am just going stand. that is how unimportant that story is rightr now.

give me an example if you please of an important story

[comhcinc]

give me an example if you please of an important story
Pentagon to unveil new recruiting waivers (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25485880/)

way more important that talking about a piece of equipment that has not been turned on yet.

[skyz]

Pentagon to unveil new recruiting waivers (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25485880/)

way more important that talking about a piece of equipment that has not been turned on yet.

so reading the story as you recommended it seems to say we are going to give waivers so we can send more young americans to iraq and afghanistan

now why would we need more ?

a. because a lot got killed and these are replacements

b. we are adding to our force so the idea of withdrawing our troops and ending the war is not happening how foolish to even think so

which is it and why is this story more important ?

this is also not happening yet so your timeliness argument is moot

is this supposed to be a good thing ?

[skyz]

there are over 200 stories about the hardon collider on google news. which is silly if you ask me cause they are not even turning the thing on until August.



google is apparently not asking you

how silly of them

they should really get their act together

:D:D:D

[skyz]

gay bathroom sex

this is gossip hearsay unless you were there

were you ?

[Quix]

It's not prowess that people use to comapre the two levels of achievement, it's marketability. A sports star is a cash cow, so what if he's a steroid pumped, 3rd grade reading level rapist, he can make other people alot of money and entertain, the easily entertained.

Exactly. Mental prowess is respected within certain sectors(such as the old "you should marry a doctor/lawyer" trope.) However it won't get the same exaltation from the mass media simply because as you said, it makes less money.

[comhcinc]

you responsive is so predictable it made me giggle. it is also petty which made me chuckle.


so reading the story as you recommended it seems to say we are going to give waivers so we can send more young americans to iraq and afghanistan
yeah that is what it said kinda if the whole point of reading the story was to try to prove it was unimportant


which is it and why is this story more important ?it really is neither and it is very important. the biggest issue is the morale of the troops and what affects this will have.


this is also not happening yet so your timeliness argument is moot

is this supposed to be a good thing ?


there of course a big difference. your story is about a piece of equipment that has not done anything has not been turned on yet. it is just done being built. yawn. when it is turned on and maybe does something useful then it might be news.

on the other hand my story is important now because if for example you feel this is a bad idea then steps could be took to make sure it doesn't happen. or conversely if you feel that it is a good idea then you can do what you can to make sure that it does happen.

[skyz]

why are rock stars and sports players cool and mathematicians and IT guys are not is simple. rock conceits and sporting events get our blood pumping. they are exciting math is not.

qcS5_NVFFrQ

this guy used to play with jimmy paige but he finds LHC more exciting

and i find him exciting

i must be ill and need a doctor

he is a doctor

he'll do just fine

[comhcinc]

this is gossip hearsay unless you were there

were you ?

okay Aria, why not learn how to cut and paste instead of doing multi post? i mean you responded to one post three times. now as to your question.

following that logic, everything that you have ever heard about is "gossip hearsay". every thing. every. thing. unless you were there. every thing.


he was arrested for it. because of that arrest he lost his security clearance and his post at the rand corporation. i know a thing or two about security clearances and they don't pull those lightly.

and btw look again on how i worded it. i was just pointing out that it was apart of the man's history that wasn't mention in that movie.

[tokenuser]

lol you know what i should change that, but i am just going stand. that is how unimportant that story is rightr now.I would be concerned if I was you ... it could spell the end of the world (http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/27/823924.aspx).

Pentagon to unveil new recruiting waivers (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25485880/)

All that says is that they are going to make classifying the requirements for waivers easier (an administrative task), and make it easy to process, not that the standards are changing. Another non-news article "Ooooh, the pentagon is reducing the amount of paper work required to get someone into the armed services". Yay. I wonder how many committees that took.

[skyz]

there of course a big difference. your story is about a piece of equipment that has not done anything has not been turned on yet. it is just done being built. yawn. when it is turned on and maybe does something useful then it might be news.

on the other hand my story is important now because if for example you feel this is a bad idea then steps could be took to make sure it doesn't happen. or conversely if you feel that it is a good idea then you can do what you can to make sure that it does happen.

i am open to your story being important

you don't make points by dissing my smarts

most people like me or not do not dispute my intelligence

my story has been ten years at least in the making has involved 10,000 scientists from 85 countries and cost 5 to 10 billion dollars us

also as you pointed out google has over 200 stories on it so i do question your *yawn* as somehow inappropriate though of course it is not an iphone so yeah really totally ;)

as for the war i think it should be over so your story would be significant to me as an unfortunate indication that that is not the plan

[comhcinc]

this guy used to play with jimmy paige but he finds LHC more exciting

and i find him exciting

i must be ill and need a doctor

he is a doctor

he'll do just fine

wow look you did it again! listening to guy prattle on was boring. after watching that i turned it to sportscenter for the same amount and saw an awesome clip of roger federer at wimbledon, and i hate tennis. Sports FTW!

i will say it again when the turn the machine on and it does something then it i will pay attention.

[skyz]

okay Aria

he was arrested for it. because of that arrest he lost his security clearance and his post at the rand corporation. i know a thing or two about security clearances and they don't pull those lightly.

and btw look again on how i worded it. i was just pointing out that it was apart of the man's history that wasn't mention in that movie.

my name is skyz :D

anyway just because he was a homosexual does not in anyway mean that he did not indeed have 'a beautiful mind'

yes they pulled his security clearance because he was vulnerable to blackmail and therefore seen as potentially untrustworthy

that does not in anyway prove he was indeed untrustworthy

[xibalba]

wow look you did it again! listening to guy prattle on was boring. after watching that i turned it to sportscenter for the same amount and saw an awesome clip of roger federer at wimbledon, and i hate tennis. Sports FTW!

i will say it again when the turn the machine on and it does something then it i will pay attention.

Sports suck and are boring expect MMA

[comhcinc]

I would be concerned if I was you ... it could spell the end of the world (http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/27/823924.aspx).

the end of the world. that could be news.

All that says is that they are going to make classifying the requirements for waivers easier (an administrative task), and make it easy to process, not that the standards are changing. Another non-news article "Ooooh, the pentagon is reducing the amount of paper work required to get someone into the armed services". Yay. I wonder how many committees that took.

that isn't all it saids and you picked up on the wrong thing. (in my mind anyway)

the other part of the story was that each branch will now be able to decide what the standards of enlistment are. that is what has me concern.

[skyz]

listening to guy prattle on was boring. after watching that i turned it to sportscenter for the same amount and saw an awesome clip of roger federer at wimbledon, and i hate tennis. Sports FTW!

i will say it again when the turn the machine on and it does something then it i will pay attention.

i'd rather have dr cox take me out for cofee than roger federer

i like smart people

the smarter the better

maybe it's a fetish :)

[comhcinc]

my name is skyz :D

anyway just because he was a homosexual does not in anyway mean that he did not indeed have 'a beautiful mind'

yes they pulled his security clearance because he was vulnerable to blackmail and therefore seen as potentially untrustworthy

that does not in anyway prove he was indeed untrustworthy

i like the way you doctored my post. it seems as if i didn't have a valid point and i was in fact confused with who i was replying to.

and i agree being gay doesn't mean he didn't have a beautiful mind. the whole bathroom sex thing is debatable. what isn't debatable is his cheating on his wife and the whole "all jews are evil" thing he had going on. or maybe it is. since you also conveniently left that out maybe you think that makes a beautiful mind?

[tokenuser]

the end of the world. that could be news.Fox will have team coverage starting at 6:00pm.

that isn't all it saids and you picked up on the wrong thing. (in my mind anyway)That was the gist of the article.

the other part of the story was that each branch will now be able to decide what the standards of enlistment are. that is what has me concern.Right. so the news was that a decision was made to not make any decisions, and the Marine Corp will probably stick by its currents standards. Given the standards for acceptance in the Navy and Airforce, I doubt they will change, which leaves the Army and the Coast Guard. The Army might make some changes. But the real news is that the Marines Corp will now be able to process the waivers they receive faster. Where is the news here?

[skyz]

Exactly. Mental prowess is respected within certain sectors. However it won't get the same exaltation from the mass media simply because as you said, it makes less money.

also you have to be intelligent to find mental prowess exciting which cannot be expected of the masses and therefore the mass media

[skyz]

But the real news is that the Marines Corp will now be able to process the waivers they receive faster. Where is the news here?

i got this part of story at first skim :p

the news is those who have been bad boys will find it easier to be a big bad marine (this % was i believe 1/3 of the applicants)

now compare that to the threat of quantum black holes and random strangelets as important

i rest my case

[comhcinc]

Right. so the news was that a decision was made to not make any decisions, and the Marine Corp will probably stick by its currents standards. Given the standards for acceptance in the Navy and Airforce, I doubt they will change, which leaves the Army and the Coast Guard. The Army might make some changes. But the real news is that the Marines Corp will now be able to process the waivers they receive faster. Where is the news here?

the news is this could lower morale. morale is low enough in the army now. lower morale results in more death, on both sides. people are more inclined to be sloppy and thus get killed. people are more inclined to take out their frustration on the "enemy" and thus kill more people. to people who know about these matters it is very upsetting. i have already wrote a rather long, wordy and boring letter to my congress person about it.

[Quix]

also you have to be intelligent to find mental prowess exciting which cannot be expected of the masses and therefore the mass media



That's definitely a large part of it. I mean, I'd find a televised philosophical debate to be fascinating but, most definitely would be bored by an intellectual exercise like that. Thankfully, some of the segments on Book TV border on that.

That said, there are fields like journalism where it shouldn't matter because their job isn't to entertain but rather to educate and inform. Of course, the failure of infotainment in the run up to the Iraq War hasn't resulted in sufficient change so at this point nothing but an internal desire for reform may do it.

[skyz]

i like the way you doctored my post. it seems as if i didn't have a valid point and i was in fact confused with who i was replying to.

and i agree being gay doesn't mean he didn't have a beautiful mind. the whole bathroom sex thing is debatable. what isn't debatable is his cheating on his wife and the whole "all jews are evil" thing he had going on. or maybe it is. since you also conveniently left that out maybe you think that makes a beautiful mind?

i doctored out the put downs as superfluous and redundant and since you wrote aria who has not contributed to this thread i did assume yes that you made a mistake

now that you have raised the point maybe calling me aria was supposed to be some kind of joint put down and would therefore fall into the same category of superfluous and redundant

as to john nash i don't expect people to be perfect to find them beautiful

[skyz]

That's definitely a large part of it. I mean, I'd find a televised philosophical debate to be fascinating but, most definitely would be bored by an intellectual exercise like that. Thankfully, some of the segments on Book TV border on that.

That said, there are fields like journalism where it shouldn't matter because their job isn't to entertain but rather to educate and inform. Of course, the failure of infotainment in the run up to the Iraq War hasn't resulted in sufficient change so at this point nothing but an internal desire for reform may do it.

if you want intelligent it can be found in abundance at ted.com

technically it is not the job of journalism to entertain but when disney owns abc....

if it is on tv it is all about numbers and $

[skyz]

the news is this could lower morale. morale is low enough in the army now. lower morale results in more death, on both sides. people are more inclined to be sloppy and thus get killed. people are more inclined to take out their frustration on the "enemy" and thus kill more people. to people who know about these matters it is very upsetting. i have already wrote a rather long, wordy and boring letter to my congress person about it.

that is definitely valid

but not necessarily more important

[Quix]

if you want intelligent it can be found in abundance at ted.com

I've heard of TED but had no idea that they had this much content. Thanks. :)

[COLOR="Plum"]technically it is not the job of journalism to entertain but when disney owns abc....

if it is on tv it is all about numbers and $

Yep. The decision to make the newsroom have to earn profit was one of the worst decisions in the history of journalism imo. There's still some decent shows on PBS but otherwise network television is definitely a no man's land as far as the truth is concerned.

[tokenuser]

There's still some decent shows on PBS but otherwise network television is definitely a no man's land as far as the truth is concerned.You need to watch The Colbert Report. He is all about truthiness (http://www.wikiality.com/Truthiness).

[Quix]

Well, I thought it went without saying that Colbert is simply above journalism. :p But yeah, I watch The Daily Show and the Report daily and even own a wrist strong bracelet.

[comhcinc]

that is definitely valid

but not necessarily more important
of course it is more important. this could affect troops on the ground, today. right now as we speak.

on the other hand as you pointed out the LHC has been in development for ten years, and still hasn't done anything! now in august, when they turn it on and if it does something i will be more than happy to discuss it with you. at that point it will at least be interesting it may even be important. right now it is the same ol' same ol'.

i doctored out the put downs as superfluous and redundant and since you wrote aria who has not contributed to this thread i did assume yes that you made a mistakebull. you edited it out because you didn't feel like answering a valid point but still wanted to reply.

now that you have raised the point maybe calling me aria was supposed to be some kind of joint put down and would therefore fall into the same category of superfluous and redundant
it was a joint put down and while possible superfluous hardly redundant.

i simply point out the fact that you felt the need to respond to one comment with three post. i see nothing wrong with breaking down a post to respond to things individually as i have done here, but when you keep jumping back to the same post to reply after reply instead of dealing with it in one post......well i see that as silly and unfair. if i hadn't be checking back over the thread i would not have seen what you wrote and thus would have been denied the chance to reply.
as to john nash i don't expect people to be perfect to find them beautifulthat is you. i will never find a racist beautiful.

[skyz]

in dr cox's 'prattle' he referred to nuclear fusion as a solution the the energy problem

so therefore it is relevant to the war in iraq as thos soldiers are dying because of our dependence on oil

i would certainly depend more on these scientists to actually solve our problems than i would on the government / military

so our argument on importance basically comes down to the short view vs the long view

and as far as dr nash being racist most people were racists back then

i am sure that many of our grandparents thought it perfectly natural that there were white bathrooms and drinking fountains and black equivalents

and not many of them put themselves at risk to change that situation making them 'racists'

i'm done now

you may continue if you like :)

[comhcinc]

in dr cox's 'prattle' he referred to nuclear fusion as a solution the the energy problem

so therefore it is relevant to the war in iraq as thos soldiers are dying because of our dependence on oil
it isn't relevant because the machine has not even been turned on. he is only speculating as to what might happen when the machine is turned on. the machine may not even work. also i don't believe anyone is claiming that nuclear fusion will be used to power cars anything in the near....or even far future. even if they fired the machine up and suddenly we had nuclear fusion it wouldn't change that.

on a lighter note i will give cool point for the name "Dr. Cox"

i would certainly depend more on these scientists to actually solve our problems than i would on the government / military

so our argument on importance basically comes down to the short view vs the long view
"short view" being something affecting people today and for the coming years "long view" being the machine may not even work.

and as far as dr nash being racist most people were racists back then

i am sure that many of our grandparents thought it perfectly natural that there were white bathrooms and drinking fountains and black equivalents

and not many of them put themselves at risk to change that situation making them 'racists'
so what is it most or many? and how is that statement not just gossip hearsay:rolleyes: and do some research. i am not say Nash was a racists for not going on marching with MLK i am saying he is a racist cause he was known to go off on anti-semitic rants all the time. if you want to keep defending that be my guess.
i'm done now
that would be awesome.

you may continue if you like :) gee thanks for your permission:rolleyes:

[rabidbadger]

<snigger>the hardon collider (http://largehardoncollider.com/)<snigger> ... Isn't that a gay nightclub in San Francisco?

Hmmm, maybe it is, but a hardon collider is also known as a "vagina." If memory serves...


Ok, back to our regularly scheduled arguments.

[Quix]

Hmmm, maybe it is, but a hardon collider is also known as a "vagina." If memory serves...


Ok, back to our regularly scheduled arguments.

If I were apt to make a post that was just an animated gif it would be this:

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/8026/kaneclapmp4.gif

Unfortunately, I would never do such a thing.

[tokenuser]

Hmmm, maybe it is, but a hardon collider is also known as a "vagina." If memory serves...


Ok, back to our regularly scheduled arguments.Thing about the hardon collider is that it can be entered in multiple ways. I guess if it is a pos to neg slamming, then it would involve a conventional front on collision - also known as "bumping uglies".

I am not sure they can aim the colliders with any sort of accuracy to make a true pos to pos particle collision yet. If they accelerate one particle around the ring with high enough velocity, penetration on the reverse target particle might be possible - and totally unexpected for either a pos/pos or a pos/neg collision.

[rabidbadger]

quix, token, you guys "crack" me up!

[rabidbadger]

but really, if we talkin priorities in the mainstream press...

Phatty found this and put it on pownce...

http://i27.tinypic.com/ne6zyu.jpg

[skyz]

be my guess.


freudian slip ?

ha ha

i win

:D

[AriaStar]

I can understand the grading stuff for certain students. There are some that take grades way too seriously. I mean I knew a girl that cried because she got a B+ on a test instead of her usual A.

Were you in my 6th grade science class?

[Quix]

quix, token, you guys "crack" me up!

:D

but really, if we talkin priorities in the mainstream press...

Phatty found this and put it on pownce...

http://i27.tinypic.com/ne6zyu.jpg

That's...uh...wow. The image speaks for itself I suppose.

[tokenuser]

quix, token, you guys "crack" me up!I know there is a connection between the Hardon Collider and this story (http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,26058,23957625-5014090,00.html) ... but can't quite figure out what it might be ....

[mikec]

Let's beat constipation and sloppiness with enemas.

Why do I think they drink too much vodka in that town??

[shandavio]

I thought this topic was about political correctness? Odd...

Anyway, to address the first story, I would have to wholeheartedly disagree. I've been part of two different kinds of sports teams - the first was a city league, and the second was a private league. As far as city leagues go, they have a responsibility. We had some pretty serious players on our city league, and although we never actually had an "all-star" event, nobody would've complained.

Private leagues are a different story. I ended up coaching one, and it was more or less a "learning" league. It was geared for children grades 2-6 (split into several groups based on grade). I wouldn't expect an all-star game, as the kids were just learning the sport (ironicly enough, they did hold an extra party night after the season ended, and only the more serious and involved players showed up, and they had themselves an impromptu game).

The second story makes a little more sense. Depending on the size of the class, it could definitely come across as discrimination. Kids aren't too busy to get a hold of outside of school; it would've been only a minor inconvenience for the parents to make a few calls over the weekend instead of having their child bring invitations to all except two other children.

Now, a separate issue is the "all or nothing" debate. While I agree it was a good idea to confiscate the invitations in that instance (because, by the sounds of it, it was a small class and only one or two kids were excluded), I wouldn't support the "you have to invite everyone or no one" argument. I think children should be allowed to invite who they want (even if it's just during a break or recess), but it's at the supervisor's discrimination to decide what's acceptable or just plain mean.

EDIT: Yep, there's an edit button. Why doesn't anyone use it?

[AriaStar]

I thought this topic was about political correctness? Odd...

Welcome to Rev3. Nothing stays on topic longer than a page. :D


EDIT: Yep, there's an edit button. Why doesn't anyone use it?

It can only be used for a short time.

[shandavio]

Welcome to Rev3. Nothing stays on topic longer than a page.

Well, then, if we're talking about news, I would have to say anything happening now is more important and vital than something expected to happen in the future.

It can only be used for a short time.

skyz made 3 posts in a row within 10 minutes of the first one.

[Heyseuss]

skyz made 3 posts in a row within 10 minutes of the first one.

Not a fair representation of the people here.... or anywhere for that matter.




pants.

[skyz]

whatever

[shandavio]

Not a fair representation of the people here.... or anywhere for that matter.




pants.

Didn't say it was, I was merely pointing it out. It's just forum etiquette; double (and triple, for that matter) posting is generally frowned upon.

oh yeah that skyz she really atrracts attention doesn't she

you will find she has many faults in fact i think there is probably some IM graprevine you can join that comments times and documents each and every little thing she does and some she doesn't

it was only after skyz joined the forum that the terms internet superstar and pop siren entered into the collective consciousness of the powers that be at rev3

coincidence ? maybe yes maybe not

I have to disagree. While the future is important, it's not as important as what's happening right now. If I'm a soldier in the heat of battle, and I lost concentration because I'm thinking about the future, the future won't matter, because I'm dead right now.

[Heyseuss]

Didn't say it was, I was merely pointing it out. It's just forum etiquette; double (and triple, for that matter) posting is generally frowned upon.

You won't find that kind of regularly accustomed to etiquette here, especially not with the example you gave.

[shandavio]

You won't find that kind of regularly accustomed to etiquette here, especially not with the example you gave.

Your wording confused me; I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say.

[Heyseuss]

Your wording confused me; I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say.

I'm sorry. Give it a few more tries.

[shandavio]

I'm sorry. Give it a few more tries.

Cute. So you're basically admitting that the users of this community don't have the basic forum-using skills?

[Heyseuss]

Cute. So you're basically admitting that the users of this community don't have the basic forum-using skills?

I wasn't being ambiguous about it was I ? Basic communication is absent as well. It's been a hearty subject here lately, which is funny to me, that they would be mis-communicating about the lack of basic communicating skills. Stick around, you've already noticed it quite quickly and you'll see it some more.

[AriaStar]

Well, then, if we're talking about news, I would have to say anything happening now is more important and vital than something expected to happen in the future.



skyz made 3 posts in a row within 10 minutes of the first one.

Okay, so you're brand new here, and think you have the right to tell us all we're wrong or something. Ooooooo-kaaaaay.

[AriaStar]

Didn't say it was, I was merely pointing it out. It's just forum etiquette; double (and triple, for that matter) posting is generally frowned upon.

"Generally" doesn't mean "always." We have our set accepted of unwritten etiquette here that we like. If it's not what you like or want, either learn to accept it because we're not going to all change for you, or find a forum you like as it already is.


I have to disagree. While the future is important, it's not as important as what's happening right now. If I'm a soldier in the heat of battle, and I lost concentration because I'm thinking about the future, the future won't matter, because I'm dead right now.

A soldier in the heat of a battle is very different than, say, a couple sitting down thinking about their future. Sometimes the future is as important, if not more so, than right this minute.

[AriaStar]

Cute. So you're basically admitting that the users of this community don't have the basic forum-using skills?

We have multiple sets of skills, including how to apply different skills where applicable. Kind of nice how you're a n00b insulting the regulars here. You're going to quickly find yourself unpopular with that behavior.

[shandavio]

Okay, so you're brand new here, and think you have the right to tell us all we're wrong or something. Ooooooo-kaaaaay.

Well if you're wrong, you're wrong.

"Generally" doesn't mean "always." We have our set accepted of unwritten etiquette here that we like. If it's not what you like or want, either learn to accept it because we're not going to all change for you, or find a forum you like as it already is.


There's something called etiquette, or, "social norms". They're everywhere, and they exist whether you like it or not. Now, maybe your community doesn't totally enforce them, but instead of being so quick to defend, maybe you should realize that I was simply inquiring as to why someone would make three posts in a row, which, again, is amateur-ish and would imply they can't figure out basic forum applications, instead of just using the edit button? I don't give a shit whether or not anyone "changes themself", for all I care, make 10 posts in a row. It'd still make me wonder, though, why someone would feel the need to do so.

A soldier in the heat of a battle is very different than, say, a couple sitting down thinking about their future. Sometimes the future is as important, if not more so, than right this minute.

The large hadron collider and the story about the soldier, though, is not a couple people sitting down. If you want a more "applicable" analogy, think of driving. A passenger in a vehicle may be able to see a light half a mile down the road. They have that ability because they don't have to think about the present. If you, the driver, were to start gazing down the road, losing concentration, someone could cut you off, causing a collision, rendering that light twenty seconds away useless, because you're not passing through it anyway.

We have multiple sets of skills, including how to apply different skills where applicable. Kind of nice how you're a n00b insulting the regulars here. You're going to quickly find yourself unpopular with that behavior.

I don't think I insulted anyone, and if I did, it was justified. Kind of nice how you're using the whole "you're new, so your opinion doesn't matter". You're going to quickly find yourself a little troubled in the real world with that behavior.

I.e. I don't actually care what you have to think, and if I did, I would've asked for your opinion. I don't care if you've been here six years or five minutes, your opinion is the same, and at this point it seems biased, ignorant, and plain stupid, and I refuse to consider it important among other opinions that could be and have been stated by people not so inflated by their own ego.

I wasn't being ambiguous about it was I ? Basic communication is absent as well. It's been a hearty subject here lately, which is funny to me, that they would be mis-communicating about the lack of basic communicating skills. Stick around, you've already noticed it quite quickly and you'll see it some more.

Well that's what threw me off. I was sure your first reaction would be to blindly defend everyone on here.

[rabidbadger]

basically, what flys here in the "general discussion" topic really is a clusterfuck, One that most of us enjoy, or wouldn't we be outa here, too? Actually, think of it as a big party in RL where a lot of folks are talking, interupting, ignoring the others, rambling, sitting quietly in a corner and chatting, some just listening and barely saying anything. For the most part we use the "accepted" ettiquette in the other topics but General is a free for all. And we like it that way. And the Mods join in, so, um we win!!! ;)

EDIT, the edit button is useless in fast moving conversations. I am using it now, cause while I was typing the above, you were saying... "Well if you're wrong, you're wrong." Well. eat me. How's that for etiquette. Here's a forum for ya (http://www.frappydoo.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1839). spend your precious webtime there.

Love, Badge.

[shandavio]

Nice to see another forum supporting intelligent discussion, then. :)

[rabidbadger]

Nice to see another forum supporting intelligent discussion, then. :)

Used the edit button, read it again.

[shandavio]

Good show, you've completely broken down my argument, proven me wrong, and shown just how capable you, and the rest of your friends are at using the Internet.

[rabidbadger]

and you

[rabidbadger]

have added

[rabidbadger]

nothing but

[rabidbadger]

further derailment.

[shandavio]

Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case. :)

[rabidbadger]

Irony is lost on you isn't it?

[AriaStar]

Shandavio, you already have the title "instant douche." If you don't like how we roll here, get the fuck out. So far all you've posted is insults about how we don't know how to use the internet and don't know etiquette. If you don't like it, go find a forum elsewhere that doesn't offend your delicate sensibilities.

[shandavio]

I'd prefer not, in fact, if you don't like how I post, maybe you should, er, "get the fuck out", and stop reading them?

"If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions."

[AriaStar]

I'd prefer not, in fact, if you don't like how I post, maybe you should, er, "get the fuck out", and stop reading them?

"If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions."

Our territory, and you're the fuckwad who's come in here complaining and hurling the first insults. None of us are going to change and abide by your idea of etiquette, especially since you're being such an asshole.

If you want to talk net etiquette, then you should know that part of it is observing the behavior of the forum before jumping in and, uh, "contributing." And a new member certainly is not supposed to begin shit-slinging right out the gate. If you're going to ignore those basic rules, then you've got even less room to talk about how we don't keep most of our posts on topic.

[rabidbadger]

what you said aria. He's on ignore.

[shandavio]

Our territory, and you're the fuckwad who's come in here complaining and hurling the first insults. None of us are going to change and abide by your idea of etiquette, especially since you're being such an asshole.

If you want to talk net etiquette, then you should know that part of it is observing the behavior of the forum before jumping in and, uh, "contributing." And a new member certainly is not supposed to begin shit-slinging right out the gate. If you're going to ignore those basic rules, then you've got even less room to talk about how we don't keep most of our posts on topic.

I don't recall insulting anyone, at least not un-justified. If you think pointing out flaws is insulting, then, yeah, I demolished a couple of you. Other than that, I think you're complaining that someone who's not a complete idiot has come by and pointed out that, oh God! You're not perfect!

Also, it seems that you're the one breaking the rules, as you must've missed rule #2 (stickied right on the GD front page).

2. Creating comments about a person or group of people that is racist, threatening, insulting, abusive, etc is not allowed.

Unless you happen to think calling me a "fuckwad" doesn't count. ;)

[AriaStar]

I don't recall insulting anyone, at least not un-justified. If you think pointing out flaws is insulting, then, yeah, I demolished a couple of you. Other than that, I think you're complaining that someone who's not a complete idiot has come by and pointed out that, oh God! You're not perfect!

Also, it seems that you're the one breaking the rules, as you must've missed rule #2 (stickied right on the GD front page).



Unless you happen to think calling me a "fuckwad" doesn't count. ;)

Via sarcastically veiled words, you have indeed attempted to insult us.

What you perceive as "flaws" are just how we are around here, thus, not flaws. You are showing yourself to be extremely flawed bu coming in here like you own the place, trying to enforce "etiquette" you think we should be following.

[AriaStar]

Anyone wanna take bets that Shandaivo is a troll? Let's send him to the Scotetech for a while.

[shandavio]

Via sarcastically veiled words, you have indeed attempted to insult us.

And yet you were the one with the insult that's actually against the rules.

What you perceive as "flaws" are just how we are around here, thus, not flaws. You are showing yourself to be extremely flawed bu coming in here like you own the place, trying to enforce "etiquette" you think we should be following.

What I perceive to be flaws are just that - perceptions. You don't decide what a flaw is, I decide. And I don't recall trying to enforce anything, merely just pointing out that most forums list double-posting as against the rules. And yeah, I know. "You're not most forums". You guys are edgy, cool, and interesting. You're not stuffy and boring like the rest of those guys! You play by your own rules and throw caution to the wind, right?

[rabidbadger]

well, he's been just as argumentative and arrogant on my car thread, so yeah. instant troll just add douche water.

[rabidbadger]

so anyway, back on topic... Yeah, the kids should share invites outside of class, recess, lunch, but ideally off school grounds. School is a place of learning, officially, and learning social rules, like etiquette, are part of that. I think everyone should do everything in their social lives by incredibly strict rules, this goes for arts, politics, social gatherings, internet communications... both kids and adults. And all those rules should be dictated by the one god, the great and gloriuos Shandavo!

I mean who needs picasso, beethoven, Martin Luther King, The beatles and Ghandi? those evil rule breaking scumwads.

[AriaStar]

well, he's been just as argumentative and arrogant on my car thread, so yeah. instant troll just add douche water.

After I saw that, I put him on my ignore list too. He's too much of a jerk-off to listen to. Perhaps if he grow up and someone tells me he's no longer a douche, then I may unblock his pathetic ass. See, douches actually aren't good for girls.

I suspect he lacks friends IRL because he absolutely don't know how the hell to interact with people he doesn't know. Anyone with friends knows that the way to make and keep them isn't to start acting like an asswipe upon first meeting. Why would anyone want to keep someone like that around?

[AriaStar]

so anyway, back on topic... Yeah, the kids should share invites outside of class, recess, lunch, but ideally off school grounds. School is a place of learning, officially, and learning social rules, like etiquette, are part of that. I think everyone should do everything in their social lives by incredibly strict rules, this goes for arts, politics, social gatherings, internet communications... both kids and adults. And all those rules should be dictated by the one god, the great and gloriuos Shandavo!

I mean who needs picasso, beethoven, Martin Luther King, The beatles and Ghandi? those evil rule breaking scumwads.

*snickers*

Not getting invited helps teach kids to deal with adversity. The world's not fair, and we're doing children a great disservice by letting them think it always is.

[shandavio]

well, he's been just as argumentative and arrogant on my car thread, so yeah. instant troll just add douche water.

Or informative, y'know, whatever works. Just throw words around.

[phatlip12]

How about we all act our age now and move on? Trolling and flaming is also against the rules so can EVERYONE just drop it?

[esophagus]

Okay, so you're brand new here, and think you have the right to tell us all we're wrong or something. Ooooooo-kaaaaay.Yes. He does.

[esophagus]

also you have to be intelligent to find mental prowess exciting which cannot be expected of the masses and therefore the mass media

You'd be surprised how large the percent of the population is that thinks the "masses are stupid".

[shandavio]

How about we all act our age now and move on? Trolling and flaming is also against the rules so can EVERYONE just drop it?

No one's trolling. I think AriaStar is merely offended by my notion that some of the users here are forum-retarded. I never insulted anyone directly, asked anyone to change, or downed the forum. Speculation is trolling now?

[esophagus]

No one's trolling. I think AriaStar is merely offended by my notion that some of the users here are forum-retarded. I never insulted anyone directly, asked anyone to change, or downed the forum. Speculation is trolling now?
But... Shes been here longer than you...

:rolleyes:

[phatlip12]

No one's trolling. I think AriaStar is merely offended by my notion that some of the users here are forum-retarded. I never insulted anyone directly, asked anyone to change, or downed the forum. Speculation is trolling now?

Who said I was referring to you?

[shandavio]

But... Shes been here longer than you...

:rolleyes:

Doh! That means I can't be right! :P

Who said I was referring to you?

I said no one is trolling. However, I was accused at one point.

[phatlip12]

Doh! That means I can't be right! :P



I said no one is trolling. However, I was accused at one point.

I saw people trolling you. Thats what I was referring to. However, I also suggested everyone just drop it because it wasn't helping matters.

[xibalba]

Too many people have elitist attitudes lately....It is quite annoying just because it says Elite under some of our names doesn't mean we are better than anyone else.

[rabidbadger]

wow. weird phantom messages, I'm so lost right now.

[esophagus]

Too many people have elitist attitudes lately....It is quite annoying just because it says Elite under some of our names doesn't mean we are better than anyone else.
Well said.

[xibalba]

The Elite Member under my name means/='s No Life :D

[rabidbadger]

The Elite Member under my name means/='s No Life :D

you make me chuckle under my breath, my friend. :)

[shandavio]

Too many people have elitist attitudes lately....It is quite annoying just because it says Elite under some of our names doesn't mean we are better than anyone else.

If the attitude is warranted, then no problem.