Revision3 Cafepress

[klitzy]

Alright I was looking at cafepress just now and I thought what better of a place to host some revision3 stuff but I am not sure how that works with logos etc. Anyone know if I would be able to put the revision3 logo on a bumper sticker/t-shirt/etc....And yes, I know cafepress is extremely overpriced but it would be great to get some revision3 gear...

So if anyone knows how all that works, post it here and if I think I might start a little store and start uploading some images for stickers/shirts/etc.

[masherscf]

Dude, you should forget about using trademarked images on Cafepress. It's just not worth the shit-storm you'll create.

[samureye]

Masher is right, more likely than not anything like that will be available through J!nx (http://jinx.com). Doing anything else, on your own would most likely lead to trouble.

[klitzy]

Yes I obviously know about jinx but I am looking for say stickers or non trademarked stuff like say a shirt that says like "Heres the deal" or something of that sort. But I would like to make a revision3 bumper sticker or diggnation/thebroken bumper sticker....So is this a definite no through cafepress? Only reason I would do it through cafepress is so that others could order as well but if not then I will make them myself.

[casework]

As good of a thought as it may be, I'd just make them for yourself and not worry about getting into in mess with distributing a copyrighted logo. And even though I'd like to think Rev3 wouldn't really care, Jinx probably will as they seem to have some agreements with Revision 3 and Digg.

[masherscf]

And even though I'd like to think Rev3 wouldn't really care...

I think it's funny that you think that Revision 3 isn't worried about protecting it's trademarks. Even letting small commercial production of items with trademarked images and phrases erodes their claim to the trademark. They let a few well meaning fans produce "Ctrl-Alt-Chicken" coffee mugs and then Wal-Mart will have their Chinese mug factory make enough to sell them in every store...and Rev 3 can't do a thing...

Defense of a trademark requires a company to act like an asshole. Why make them waste the time and money stopping the production of bootleg t-shirts and the like.

[klitzy]

I think it's funny that you think that Revision 3 isn't worried about protecting it's trademarks. Even letting small commercial production of items with trademarked images and phrases erodes their claim to the trademark. They let a few well meaning fans produce "Ctrl-Alt-Chicken" coffee mugs and then Wal-Mart will have their Chinese mug factory make enough to sell them in every store...and Rev 3 can't do a thing...

Defense of a trademark requires a company to act like an asshole. Why make them waste the time and money stopping the production of bootleg t-shirts and the like.

Are you ever happy? You always seem to be hating on my homies.

Chill my brotha....Ill send you a bootleg shirt don't you worry

[masherscf]

Are you ever happy? You always seem to be hating on my homies.

Chill my brotha....Ill send you a bootleg shirt don't you worry

I'm a cranky old geek... I'd love a bootleg shirt, just keep it on the down-low.

[casework]

I think it's funny that you think that Revision 3 isn't worried about protecting it's trademarks. Even letting small commercial production of items with trademarked images and phrases erodes their claim to the trademark. They let a few well meaning fans produce "Ctrl-Alt-Chicken" coffee mugs and then Wal-Mart will have their Chinese mug factory make enough to sell them in every store...and Rev 3 can't do a thing...

Defense of a trademark requires a company to act like an asshole. Why make them waste the time and money stopping the production of bootleg t-shirts and the like.

How does hoping Revision 3 wouldn't care about a few fans making some homemade t-shirts equate to hoping Revision 3 doesn't give a shit about their trademarks?

I realize what it takes to protect a trademark, but at the same time, let's be honest, there is one reason why Revision 3 is the company that it is today and that's word of mouth. Should Rev3 encourage people to use their trademarked logos and copyrighted material to the point where they no longer can claim control over the trademark? Of course not. But should they assassinate a fan who makes a homemade t-shirt for himself and his buddies? I would hope not.

[tokenuser]

But should they assassinate a fan who makes a homemade t-shirt for himself and his buddies? I would hope not.There is a difference between doing a home made T Shirt, and having them available via Cafepress.

With recent "cease and desist" letters that went out to people using the Digg name and trademark without authorisation, ANY commercial use of the logo, even if it is a "personal" bootleg run of TShirts or bumper stickers is going to cause problems.

I am not a lawyer, and my only connection with Rev3 is as a mod, but as someone that has been involved with trademark/name defense in the past this is not something you want to get involved with. Something you *might* get away with are a photo/image of something associated with the show you want the sticker/tshirt for, and some text ... but nothing involving logos or shownames - its how bootleg band tshirts have been getting around it for years.

[klitzy]

Fine, fine...Good points by each side but I see where it could be a problem I guess. Ill just make them myself then.

[casework]

There is a difference between doing a home made T Shirt, and having them available via Cafepress.

With recent "cease and desist" letters that went out to people using the Digg name and trademark without authorisation, ANY commercial use of the logo, even if it is a "personal" bootleg run of TShirts or bumper stickers is going to cause problems.

I am not a lawyer, and my only connection with Rev3 is as a mod, but as someone that has been involved with trademark/name defense in the past this is not something you want to get involved with. Something you *might* get away with are a photo/image of something associated with the show you want the sticker/tshirt for, and some text ... but nothing involving logos or shownames - its how bootleg band tshirts have been getting around it for years.
Well, I do admit I didn't realize you had the ability to "open a shop" on CafePress and sell an item you "create" so I do understand the issue with that. And I'm really not trying to debate anything here, I understand the basics of copyright and trademark laws and I realize what Revision 3 has to do, whether they like it or not, to protect their company. Where I was coming from was more of the standpoint that I would hope Revision 3 would encourage any positive and free advertising from its loyal fans and customers. But I do realize that doesn't necessarily apply due to the type of site that CafePress is. I was thinking more along the lines of a site or company that makes buttons for local bands... where I could send them an image or text, and they'd send me a button, sticker, or shirt with that printed on it. Also I did acknowledge that Jinx probably wouldn't like any making of a "Rev3 product" due to their agreements with the company.

[klitzy]

I was thinking more along the lines of a site or company that makes buttons for local bands... where I could send them an image or text, and they'd send me a button, sticker, or shirt with that printed on it.

Isn't that what cafepress is? You are paying them to print your text/image to a shirt/sticker/button and the idea of a "shop" is irrelevant I would think considering the "owner" of the shop does not get paid cash.

[casework]

Isn't that what cafepress is? You are paying them to print your text/image to a shirt/sticker/button and the idea of a "shop" is irrelevant I would think considering the "owner" of the shop does not get paid cash.

Well it seems to me, from the quick look I took of CafePress, is that it's basically a way of distribution. Like if Jinx had a section of their site where you could upload and image and they'd make you and whoever else wanted it a shirt... you wouldn't be making any money, but for Jinx to legally be making money, there couldn't be any restrictions on the image you uploaded. Using Revision 3 copyrighted logos is basically bypassing their form of manufacturing and distributing products through Jinx... which in simple terms could be compared to a random website making DVD Box Sets of a TV show you upload without permission... same idea just a different product.

[klitzy]

Well it seems to me, from the quick look I took of CafePress, is that it's basically a way of distribution. Like if Jinx had a section of their site where you could upload and image and they'd make you and whoever else wanted it a shirt... you wouldn't be making any money, but for Jinx to legally be making money, there couldn't be any restrictions on the image you uploaded. Using Revision 3 copyrighted logos is basically bypassing their form of manufacturing and distributing products through Jinx... which in simple terms could be compared to a random website making DVD Box Sets of a TV show you upload without permission... same idea just a different product.

Ahh I see...Good work Casework

[tokenuser]

... which in simple terms could be compared to a random website making DVD Box Sets of a TV show you upload without permission... same idea just a different product.Excellent analogy.

Klitzy - take a trip to your local Michaels/AC Moore craft store. Once you get past the soccer mom's making christams wreaths, and teenage girls doing beading, they have some cool things for TShirt making, and probably stickers too that involve inkjet printers and transfer paper ... or even silk screening if you want to get fancy.

[klitzy]

Excellent analogy.

Klitzy - take a trip to your local Michaels/AC Moore craft store. Once you get past the soccer mom's making christams wreaths, and teenage girls doing beading, they have some cool things for TShirt making, and probably stickers too that involve inkjet printers and transfer paper ... or even silk screening if you want to get fancy.

oo la la...Silk Diggnation shirt! Maybe Ill post it on my BLOG....Oh wait! No one will no my blog because the thread got closed...

*Klitzy realizes that with this edit...TokenUsers post will seem completely out of place

Now back to those sexy silk Diggnation shirts.....Buxy...Ali_Pinto...Want to try them on?

[tokenuser]

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+---- Isn't that your blog in your sig file?

[casework]

Stickers are really easy to make... just go to Wal-Mart, Office Max, or anywhere with office supplies, and you should be able to get sticker paper. The nice kind is more expensive but you can get just regular paper with sticky backs basically, and then just paste your images into Word or whatever, and print them out.

There's the iron-on stuff for t-shirts that I've never really used, but I have had it professionally done using a press. Depending on how well it's done and how well you take care of it, it will last for awhile, but other times it will peel and fade. Something me and my former band did was print out a design on a piece of paper and carve it into a plastic sheet, and then use fabric paint and use the plastic as a stencil. It will fade a little bit, but if you do it right(amount of paint and drying time is crucial, along with washing it after it's dried... I forget all the specifications we followed), it will usually have a pretty cool look, and it's pretty cool having a one-of-a-kind t-shirt that you made that actually looks pretty nice.

[masherscf]

Excellent analogy.

Once you get past the soccer mom's making christams wreaths...

'Round here we call them "Yummy Mummys".

[tokenuser]

'Round here we call them "Yummy Mummys".Maybe at the craft stores near you ... but where I am? Sorry, aint going to happen.

[masherscf]

Maybe at the craft stores near you ... but where I am? Sorry, aint going to happen.

I guess it's a suburban New York, phenomenon.