Random Comic Questions

[brandeezy]

I though it would be a good idea to have a thread dedicated to asking random questions and having the audience of iFanboy answer. I might as well kick this off.

1) Are the same gods that empower the Marvel family(except for Soloman) the same gods who empower Wonder Woman?

2) Are the Roman and Greeks gods the same thing in the DCU?

[labor_days]

I though it would be a good idea to have a thread dedicated to asking random questions and having the audience of iFanboy answer. I might as well kick this off.

1) Are the same gods that empower the Marvel family(except for Soloman) the same gods who empower Wonder Woman?

2) Are the Roman and Greeks gods the same thing in the DCU?

1) No. Different pantheons. Or in some cases, they may represent different aspects depending on belief/pantheon. E.G., Zeus.

2) Nope. The Roman and Olympian gods of the Amazons were also separate pantheons. But during the War Of the Gods, they were merged. Later, the Egyptian gods of the Bana-Amazons would also be merged to the Amazonian pantheon.

It was during this time that the Titans (also a separate pantheon) and Hindu pantheons clashed, Donna Troy was resurrected, Wonder Woman became a goddess and Cassie Sandsmark was given a portion of the power of Zeus.

[six-gun]

where does the Judeo-Christian God fit in Labor?

[gobo]

They tend to ignore him/her because people would get pissed off for showing that he/she's fictional.

[six-gun]

They tend to ignore him/her because people would get pissed off for showing that he/she's fictional.

I think it's inapropriate that you state that as fact and not as opinion. Be respectful of others please.

[gobo]

Putting god into stories with Superman and Batman would make god appear fictional in those stories, that's a fact.

The closest they seem to get is talking about the Spectre working for god.

[labor_days]

where does the Judeo-Christian God fit in Labor?
In the DCU, the Amazonian gods, Shazam gods, Bana gods, New Gods, et cetera, are all living entities or at the very least are each a distinct consciousness.

Darkseid is a physical god the same as Zeus. They are representative of different beliefs and eras. But they are not necessarily a multiversal abstract.

The abstract entities; The Presence (Judeo-Christian God), The Source, Death/Dream/Delirium (all of 'em), Rama Kushna, et cetera- are not necessarily beings that walk about the Multiverse. But they could if they wish to do so. The point is, they are unique, not simply representing an abstract of the multiverse; they are the abstract force of the multiverse.

Beings such as the Arch-Angel Michael, The Spectre, Lucifer Morningstar, Anti-Monitor, Neron, Darkseid, Orion, blah, blah. They are vassals or very nearly physical representations of the abstract forces.

Imagine how powerful Darkseid or the Spectre are. Now realize Darkseid and Spectre are only avatars of the abstract forces of the multiverse itself.

Final Crisis is supposed to show us what Darkseid really is, unbound by the shell of his physical form. I am excited.

[labor_days]

Also Gobo, the Juedo-Christian God is part of the DC. He/She is refered to as The Presence. And is important to the Phantom Stranger, Spectre and Lucifer characters.

Least we all forget, the JLA fought the angels of heaven in Morrison's JLA. Superman withstood the light of heaven.

[brandeezy]

Ok...now that the New Gods have come up, are the Parademons and the other-non-main character citizens of Apokolips or New Genesis also gods? What about the non-main character Asgardians in Marvel?

[labor_days]

The para-demons are not gods. They are made of the masses of kidnapped individuals tortured and brutalized on Apokolips.

The non-Godly Asgardians are the reincarnated spirits of noble warriors and persons.

[six-gun]

This is utterly fascinating, how does "The Presence" fit in with the DCU's Christians?

[labor_days]

I don't think any specific doctrine is stated as being the "right one". Rather all the abstract entities are treated as just that, abstracts.

That is how the Hindu god Shiva can exist alongside Zeus, The Source, Phantom Stranger, Anti-Monitor, Darkseid and Jesus' pops.

They each have their followers and respective texts. But they are all equal in that the multiverse allows for everything they can be to actually be.

[labor_days]

Another way of thinking of this is such; Suppose I was a devotee of Rama Kushna or Hermes. There is nothing to say my belief system is wrong, per se. It doesn't exclude the reality of other higher powers from the (multi)universe for others. It may or may not exclude those powers from my reality.

Such that a Catholic of the DCU can go about believing in his own thing. To be rewarded for his good works in the afterlife by the God of his worship. While I, as a Rama Kushna follower, float off to a lotus pedal sprung from the navel of Vishnu, whose dream is my reality.

This goes to the core of Morrison's idea of the DCU being a reality we create by participation. At some higher level Rama Kushna and the Source may be the same abstract force. But us mortals conceptualize that abstract as Rama Kushna, Zeus, The Presence or All Father.

Edit: That ended up being a bit more philosophical than I intended. But the point is everything is possible with the multiverse structure.

[esophagus]

The Presence on Wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presence_(DC_comics))

[esophagus]

And for the record, what Gobo is saying is essentially true. There is no God character, there is just surrogates of the Judeo-Christian God, like The Presence, because it would piss off way too many people to just come right out and use him.

(For some reason, I can't edit this into my last post)

[labor_days]

Oh my, I totally forgot that the Hand Of God exist in DC and the Anti-Monitor tried to replace it during CoIE.

The DCU is fucking awesome dudes.

[esophagus]

Oh my, I totally forgot that the Hand Of God exist in DC and the Anti-Monitor tried to replace it during CoIE.

The DCU is fucking awesome dudes.
Truth.

[labor_days]

Unofficial ranking of the most powerful DC Universe characters.

- Tier 1 - [ 1st Class +Beyond ]:

The PresenceRama KushnaMeshta

- Tier 2 - [ 1st Class Multiversal Abstract Entity ]:

The Ultimate Darkness

The Ultimate Light

The Source

- Tier 3 - [ 2nd Class Multiversal Abstract Entity ]:

Lucifer Morningstar

Archangel Michael

Elaine

*- Tier 4 - [ 3rd Class Multiversal Entity ]:

Anti-Monitor (full form)

Ultimator10th Dimensional Beings

Hyperman

The Endless

Death

The Witching Hour

- Tier 5 - [ 1st Class Universal Abstract Entity + Dimensional God ]:

Spectre (Fully powered)

The Phantom Stranger

Parallax

Parallax Entity

Ion (Original)

The Anti-Life Entity

The Ecrus

Shattered Gods

The Warlogog

The A

Captain Atom (the one that created a universe)

Kismet (if you want to go by JLAAvengers)

Carnivore

Genesis Box

Una, the Cosmic Worm of Heaven and Hell

Maaldor (Universe)

- Tier 6 - [ 2nd Class Universal Abstract Entity + Dimensional God ]:

The Endless

Destiny

Dream

Destruction

Desire

Despair

Dellirium

Decreator

Godwave

Hell Lords inside their own realm

Neron

Trigon

Neron

Satannish

Satanus

Azmodus

Shaitan

Eclipso

Satan

King of Tears

Koth Sugoth

- Tier 7 - [ High Level Metaphysical + Semi-Abstract ]:

Spectre (High powered)

Eclipso, Wrath of God (High powered)

Time Trapper

Infinite Man

Archangel Gabriel

- Tier 8 - [ "Minor Omnipotent" Level]:

The 5th Dimensional Imps

Known 5th Dimensiona Imps

Mr. Mxyzptlk

Lkz

Yz

Bat-Mite

Qwisp

The Great Tree

- Tier 9 - [ Metaphysical + Semi-Abstract level ]:

Spectre (average)

The Lurker

Entropy (Krona)

The Word

Imperiex

Brainiac 13

Abraxus

Promethian Giants

Quantum Mechanics

Black Racer

Black Flash

Kulak

Mystos

Shadrack

Hellion

Eclipso - Wrath of God (average)

Spear of Destiny

Superman Prime

Lords of Order

-Lord Kilderkin

-J'akk

-Kismet

-Nabu: Nabu the Wise

-Pantagones

-Shatru

-St'ann

-Terataya

-Ynar

Lords of Chaos

-Child

-Gorrum

-Hytuurnus

-Mordru

-M'Shulla

-Nabu: Nabu the Wise

-Shivering Jemmy

-T'Charr

-The Weaver

-The Shallow Brigade and the Laughing Dancers

-The five original Lords of Chaos (Appeared in Grant Morrison's and later

Ann Nocienti's Kid Eternity series - #:Chaos is viewed as a good force

here)

-Typhon

-Vandaemon

-Zanadu the Chaos Maker

Stigmonus Monsiur

- Tier 10 - [ Low Level Metaphysical-High Class Mutants: Reality Warping Level ]:

Bedlam

Thunderbolt (inhibited)

- Tier 11 - [ Older Gods]:

The Old Gods

Arzaz (heroic Old God)

Balduur (heroic Old God whose atoms formed New Genesis)

The Dreggs (the undead)

Lokee (god of evil)

The Nameless One (evil Old God)

Wotan (ruler of the Old Gods)

etc.

S'ivaa the Destroyer and Dark Elements

Maggedon

Yuga Khan

Clockwerx

King of Tears (Outside it's realm)

- Tier 12 - [ Skyfather level + Upper Class Team Wrecker ]:

Cosmic Skyfathers

Darkseid (High showings)

Highfather Izaya

Shazam

Lord Marvel

Guardians of the Universe

The Controllers

Zamarons

Skyfather pantheons (Odin, Zeus, Dove, etc.)

Ares

Cosmic Gamblers

Hell Lords outside their own realm

Neron

Trigon

Neron

Satannish

Satanus

Azmodus

Shaitan

Eclipso

Satan

Wonderland Inhabitants

Doctor Fate (Fullest)

Eclipso (depowered)

Superman One Million

Tynan ( the balance between Chaos and Order)

The Archangels

Gabriel

Uriel

Raphael

Sarauquel

Raguel

Oblivion

Sun Eater

Solaris

Owners of the Earth

Millenium Giants

Trinity Giants (Guardians' god)

The Elder gods of Shazam (Marzosh, Arel, Ribalvei, Voldar, Elbiam, Lumium)

The Luck Lords

- Tier 13 - [ Planetary-Star Scale: Death Gods + Lower Class Team Wreckers + High End Psionics ]:

Despero

Darkseid (varies)

Helspont

Lord Defile

Hightower

Lord Emp

Doctor Fate (Normal)

Validus

Sun-Dipped Superman

Fernus

Takion

Stayne

Hourman III

Waverider

Godfrey Gaius (Actual form)

Eye of Ekron

Black Zero

Swamp Thing (World Elemental)

Parliaments

Trees

Stones

Water

Fire

Air

Elementals

Firestorm

Naiad

Red Tornado

Swamp Thing

Elemental of Stone

Death Gods (Set, Pluto, Hel Half-Rotted, Kali, Hades, Persephone, etc.)

Validus

Omnimar Synn

Overmaster

the Doctor (any one since each has the powers of all previous Doctors)

- Tier 14 - :

Superman

Green Lantern (varies)

The Flash III

Zoom II

Mister Majestic

Black Adam

Doomsday

Sinestro

Orion

Cyborg Superman

Captain Marvel

Martian Manhunter

Sentinel

Triumph

Mantis

Brimstone

Ion (Sodam Yat)

Earth-Born Angel

Supergirl

Comet

Twilight

Blithe

Other Angels

The Seraphim

The Cherubim

Apollo

Lightray

Captain Atom

Firestorm

Doctor Polaris

Bizarro

[conanobrien]

I didn't even recognize a character name until tier 8 Mr. Mxyzptlk.

[conorkilpatrick]

I didn't even recognize a character name until tier 8 Mr. Mxyzptlk.

That's too bad for you. You're missing out on a lot.

[jasontodd]

Labor, you are the man

[conanobrien]

That's too bad for you. You're missing out on a lot.

I looked back and I was wrong actually. I know the Spectre from kingdom come, but most of those names look alien to me. I've got a ton of reading to do.

[labor_days]

I didn't even recognize a character name until tier 8 Mr. Mxyzptlk.

You should read Mike Carey's Lucifer. Tres awesome.

[esophagus]

Learning the intricacies of the DCU has to be one of my favorite parts of reading comics. You have some catching up to do Conan. Awesome, enjoyable, catching up.

[gobo]

You should read Mike Carey's Lucifer. Tres awesome.

I've been dying to read that

[conanobrien]

You should read Mike Carey's Lucifer. Tres awesome.
Thanks for the tip I saw that mentioned on one of the shows. Added to the long list.



Learning the intricacies of the DCU has to be one of my favorite parts of reading comics. You have some catching up to do Conan. Awesome, enjoyable, catching up.

It's definitely intimidating but I must have spent a good couple hours looking at the huge character roster pictures in the back of the Kingdom Come trade finding out back stories and ancestries on wikipedia. So yeah I'm looking forward to it.

[gobo]

Also Conan, the Endless are from Neil Gaiman's Sandman (for the most part)

[telecarlos]

Random questions???? here's one:

So if you are a Green Lantern, and you are given a std issue ring, does that mean you must be a species, human or alien or whatever with a finger -like apendage in order to wear the ring?

Can other alien forms that may lack fingers or similar appendages be a member of the Green Lanterns Corps? Are you a banned species if you don't have fingers to wear the ring? Doesn't that create somo sort of an equal oportunity employment issue for species lacking such features? Cuz if I was from a race lacking fingers, I would be totally pissed for being unable to be a Green Lantern Corps member for such a reason. I would demand that the Corps provide some alternative for my species! I demand equal representation of my species in the Corps.! All living species in the DC universe should have the same oportunities available to them. Until DC addresses this issue, I will not support any of their comics!

Then again, I don't actually read much DC so... Hence me asking!

[labor_days]

I would put forth that X'Hal, the mad goddess is at least as powerful as the Anti-Monitor.

Remember when she destroyed the Omega Man by compressing six different variants of Kurdaq together during Crisis on Infinite Earths?

That is top level power. Tier 5 at least.

Also, Crisis on Infinite Earths #10, page 23 & 24. Tremble.

http://i36.tinypic.com/25znekw.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/b4vtaa.jpg

[esophagus]

So if you are a Green Lantern, and you are given a std issue ring, does that mean you must be a species, human or alien or whatever with a finger -like apendage in order to wear the ring?

There is a Green Lantern named Mobo who is literally an entire planet, so no. Fingers are unnecessary.

[gobo]

Random questions???? here's one:

So if you are a Green Lantern, and you are given a std issue ring, does that mean you must be a species, human or alien or whatever with a finger -like apendage in order to wear the ring?

Can other alien forms that may lack fingers or similar appendages be a member of the Green Lanterns Corps? Are you a banned species if you don't have fingers to wear the ring? Doesn't that create somo sort of an equal oportunity employment issue for species lacking such features? Cuz if I was from a race lacking fingers, I would be totally pissed for being unable to be a Green Lantern Corps member for such a reason. I would demand that the Corps provide some alternative for my species! I demand equal representation of my species in the Corps.! All living species in the DC universe should have the same oportunities available to them. Until DC addresses this issue, I will not support any of their comics!

Then again, I don't actually read much DC so... Hence me asking!

Definitely not, like Cass said there's Mogo the planet, recently there was a sentient plant that was given one, there was also an insect.

That's just off the top of my head

[conanobrien]

http://www.dcuguide.com/profile.php?name=olapet
I don't think that thing is packing fingers either.

[labor_days]

Random questions???? here's one:

So if you are a Green Lantern, and you are given a std issue ring, does that mean you must be a species, human or alien or whatever with a finger -like apendage in order to wear the ring?

Can other alien forms that may lack fingers or similar appendages be a member of the Green Lanterns Corps? Are you a banned species if you don't have fingers to wear the ring? Doesn't that create somo sort of an equal oportunity employment issue for species lacking such features? Cuz if I was from a race lacking fingers, I would be totally pissed for being unable to be a Green Lantern Corps member for such a reason. I would demand that the Corps provide some alternative for my species! I demand equal representation of my species in the Corps.! All living species in the DC universe should have the same oportunities available to them. Until DC addresses this issue, I will not support any of their comics!

Then again, I don't actually read much DC so... Hence me asking!

You don't need fingers, arms or a body to be a Green lantern. You need willpower and courage. The power ring will take the form most agreeable to whatever species (or entity) is honored enough to get the ring.

One of the most famous Green Lanterns of all time is an entire sentient planet named Mogo. The plant life on Mogo forms the Lantern symbol.

Mogo is comics.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/IonCv3.jpg

[deadspace]

Does anyone know what the print run is for Image comics?

[conorkilpatrick]

Does anyone know what the print run is for Image comics?

In June, Image moved an estimated 174,890 units.

Source (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17624).

[deadspace]

In June, Image moved an estimated 174,890 units.

Source (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17624).

Sorry, I meant the print run as in, how many they ask the printer to print of a particular issue.

[conorkilpatrick]

Sorry, I meant the print run as in, how many they ask the printer to print of a particular issue.

That information is in the link, but it depends on the book, which depends on how many stores order.

June Sales (Estimates)
Spawn #179 - 19,749
Invincible #50 - 16,722
Witchblade #118 - 14,767
Darkness #4 - 14,336
Armory Wars II #1 - 9,368
Madman Atomic Comics #9 - 8,474
Red Mass For Mars #1 - 6,366
Deadspace #4 - 4,450
Brit #6 - 4,137
Noble Causes #34 - 3,364
Proof #9 - 2,890

[deadspace]

That information is in the link, but it depends on the book, which depends on how many stores order.

June Sales (Estimates)
Spawn #179 - 19,749
Invincible #50 - 16,722
Witchblade #118 - 14,767
Darkness #4 - 14,336
Armory Wars II #1 - 9,368
Madman Atomic Comics #9 - 8,474
Red Mass For Mars #1 - 6,366
Deadspace #4 - 4,450
Brit #6 - 4,137
Noble Causes #34 - 3,364
Proof #9 - 2,890

No, those are sales statistics...

I mean, Proof sold 2890, but how many were printed? How many more does Proof need to sell before it's sold out and they need a 2nd print run?

[esophagus]

Well they only sold 2890 so probably not a whole lot more than that.

[conorkilpatrick]

No, those are sales statistics...

I mean, Proof sold 2890, but how many were printed? How many more does Proof need to sell before it's sold out and they need a 2nd print run?

I think you're confused about what "sales" mean - that's how many are sold to the stores, and that is how many are printed. Those numbers don't reflect sales from stores to customers, which the companies don't care about as much because their customers are the stores.

[conanobrien]

That information is in the link, but it depends on the book, which depends on how many stores order.

June Sales (Estimates)
Spawn #179 - 19,749
Invincible #50 - 16,722
Witchblade #118 - 14,767
Darkness #4 - 14,336
Armory Wars II #1 - 9,368
Madman Atomic Comics #9 - 8,474
Red Mass For Mars #1 - 6,366
Deadspace #4 - 4,450
Brit #6 - 4,137
Noble Causes #34 - 3,364
Proof #9 - 2,890

Here's a good question. Why are more people reading Spawn than Invincible?

[deadspace]

I think you're confused about what "sales" mean - that's how many are sold to the stores, and that is how many are printed. Those numbers don't reflect sales from stores to customers, which the companies don't care about as much because their customers are the stores.

I know what sales means (that its sales to stores). But using I Kill Giants as an example - it sold out the first print run and a second print is being done. Same with Invincible 50 and Walking Dead 50. If those numbers reflect the actual print runs eg Proof being 2890 then that means every comic "sells out". I mean if they printed 2890 of Proof #9 and sold that many to stores then why wasnt there a press release saying Proof #9 sold out its 1st print run? :/

[brandeezy]

@Labor_Days:I don't buy that Lucifer is more powerful than the Endless. Maybe he could destroy one of the facets, but there is no way he could destroy the concept of Dreaming, Destruction, etc.

[six-gun]

Who's more powerful, Superman or an Alpha Lantern?

[esophagus]

I would imagine Superman. I don't actually know, though.

Edit: I don't actually know though. Thats just my guess.

[conanobrien]

What's more powerful, Howard the Duck or Alan Moore's facial hair?

[bgavino]

What's more powerful, Howard the Duck or Alan Moore's facial hair?

Definitely Alan Moore's facial hair. Have you seen it? It gets bigger every time I see a picture of that guy.

http://www.chrismclaren.com/blog/wp-content/images/2007/02/Alan_Moore.jpg

Bryan

[kwok_talk]

Is there any website or something that maps out the family trees and generations of characters and relationships in Criminal? Wikipedia has some info, but I'm not sure if I see all the links.

[hank41]

there's a pretty detailed tattoo on Brubaker's thigh...

[labor_days]

@Labor_Days:I don't buy that Lucifer is more powerful than the Endless. Maybe he could destroy one of the facets, but there is no way he could destroy the concept of Dreaming, Destruction, etc.
Hey, I didn't make the list. Fans did. :D

I imagine Lucifer is probably as powerful as say...The Spectre. Which is fairly high up there.

[horatio616]

Definitely Alan Moore's facial hair. Have you seen it? It gets bigger every time I see a picture of that guy.

http://www.chrismclaren.com/blog/wp-content/images/2007/02/Alan_Moore.jpg

Bryan

Few people know this, but he modeled Swamp Thing after his beard. Sex fruit grows in it.

[six-gun]

Is there any website or something that maps out the family trees and generations of characters and relationships in Criminal? Wikipedia has some info, but I'm not sure if I see all the links.

If I wasn't starting school on Wednesday, I'd build that for you.

Any particular ones? I just re-read the whole series for the third time, so I'm pretty ready with answers! :)

[kwok_talk]

If I wasn't starting school on Wednesday, I'd build that for you.

Any particular ones? I just re-read the whole series for the third time, so I'm pretty ready with answers! :)

Not really. I just Vol 3 and started reading the series in issues with the last one and it really started to impress me with the history and how they all somewhat tie together character-wise. I just kind of wanted to see the big picture.

[six-gun]

Not really. I just Vol 3 and started reading the series in issues with the last one and it really started to impress me with the history and how they all somewhat tie together character-wise. I just kind of wanted to see the big picture.

ahh, OK, well I'll get around to it someday

[brandeezy]

Is there an issue of JLA where SOMEONE puts Bats in his place, or at least not fall for his fear schtick? I fail to see how a grown man dressed as a bat is scary when you are on a shiny outerspace base.

[conorkilpatrick]

Is there an issue of JLA where SOMEONE puts Bats in his place, or at least not fall for his fear schtick? I fail to see how a grown man dressed as a bat is scary when you are on a shiny outerspace base.

It's all in the attitude and the fact that a normal man can take all these super powered people down. It's intimidating.

[brandeezy]

@conor- I get that I guess. But I have a hard time buying people are okay with with him constantly being in character, being pushy, etc. He sounds like a co-worker from hell, the kind of guy you avoid at all costs being around.

I'm just saying, it must suck to be on watch tower duty with him.

[conorkilpatrick]

I'm just saying, it must suck to be on watch tower duty with him.

That's certainly true.

[labor_days]

You just have to assume Batman is a total asshole.

[kwok_talk]

Is there an issue of JLA where SOMEONE puts Bats in his place, or at least not fall for his fear schtick? I fail to see how a grown man dressed as a bat is scary when you are on a shiny outerspace base.

During GL: Rebirth. Hal punches Bats and John Stewart tells him off.

(I love Geoff Johns)

[labor_days]

I love that scene of Batman punching out Hawkman @ Wayne manor, back when the JLA were falling apart. Zatanna was all, "WTF are you doing"? Plasticman was all, "Not cool, Bats".

Then Green Arrow got pissed off and the whole issue was the JLA arguing with Batman.

Never change, Bruce Wayne.

[brandeezy]

Was GL an officer in the Air Force? I kind of got the impression that he was enlisted. If he wasn't an officer, how does he know how to fly planes? I'm pretty sure the enlisted members of the air force don't actually fly the planes.

[labor_days]

I am asssuming you mean, Hal Jordan.

Hal was in the Air Force but was kicked out for insubordination. Then he got the ring while workling as mechanic and the rest is history.

[horatio616]

Is there an issue of JLA where SOMEONE puts Bats in his place, or at least not fall for his fear schtick? I fail to see how a grown man dressed as a bat is scary when you are on a shiny outerspace base.

Didn't Hal hit Batman or something in Rebirth?

Edit: didn't see Kwok's post.

[owlboy]

Was GL an officer in the Air Force? I kind of got the impression that he was enlisted. If he wasn't an officer, how does he know how to fly planes? I'm pretty sure the enlisted members of the air force don't actually fly the planes.

I don't know if they've ever disclosed his rank but presumably its something he had to have learned while enlisted cause I doubt his mother would've let him take flight lessons while a teen or Carol would've hired him on without some real flight experience.

[brandeezy]

I was in the Navy and pretty sure officers are the only ones trained to fly the planes/helicopters. I know that in the Army they have warrant officers ( a rank system in-between enlisted and officers that is made up of former senior enlisted personal) fly the helos, but doesn't apply.

Of course, they can make up whatever they want but it seems like they were trying to ground Hal in some sense of reality.

I dunno.

[owlboy]

Maybe the military in the DCU is just really crappy. Or since the planet gets invaded so many times they've decided its best that everyone and their mother knows how to handle the big stuff.

[hank41]

check out the latest issues of action comics. it deals with the military people that have to clean up after superman

[euchre0]

I just read the Frank Miller Daredevil story "Born Again" for the first time, as hard as that is to believe. My question is, was this the point that DD and Kingpin first became enemies? It seems that Kingpin only did all that stuff to destroy Matt because he happened to get the secret identity info from Karen. So, did Fisk do all that to DD just because they had tangled a time or two and Fisk had the means to take his anger out on a "costume" of was it that DD was already the biggest thorn in Fisk's side?

Maybe the question should be shaped this way: Is this the point that Kingpin became DD's villian instead of Spider-Man's or did that happen before Frank Miller came onto the scene?

[horatio616]

I need to know this. Who's the guy between Human Torch and Wolverine on the bottom? The only possibles I can come up with are John Jameson and Ben Grimm.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/horatio616/51RUCboDiML__SS500_.jpg

[hank41]

holy shit, Sal from AC was wearing this at WWC and a whole table of people were trying to figure it out and we couldn't. Norton decided that it was pre WWII Nick Fury or something like that

[horatio616]

I think I'm gonna go with it being Colonel John Jameson.

[brandeezy]

So there are 52 distinct parrallel dimensions that make up the DCU, right? So are there 52 versions of the New Gods or are they unique?

[horatio616]

So are there 52 versions of the New Gods or are they unique?

No, it only feels like it.

[labor_days]

So there are 52 distinct parallel dimensions that make up the DCU, right? So are there 52 versions of the New Gods or are they unique?

The New Gods are unique. They exist in all time and all reality.

[paulsharkey]

There was a guy in the Justice League around about the Death of Superman thing. He was a black guy in a white and red costume who had some kind of magical powers. There was hints that he was some older league member pretending to be some new guy but I stopped reading comics at about that time and when I got back to it he was gone. Does anyone know what his name was and who he realy was? I always figured he was jonn Jonnz but I'd like to know for sure.

[conorkilpatrick]

There was a guy in the Justice League around about the Death of Superman thing. He was a black guy in a white and red costume who had some kind of magical powers. There was hints that he was some older league member pretending to be some new guy but I stopped reading comics at about that time and when I got back to it he was gone. Does anyone know what his name was and who he realy was? I always figured he was jonn Jonnz but I'd like to know for sure.

Bloodwynd. He was really J'onn J'onzz.

[labor_days]

Do you mean Bloodwynd?

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/155841-91414-bloodwynd_super.jpg


Edit: Sonuvabitch. Conor, you are my rival of useless comic book lore.

[paulsharkey]

Cheers lads

[labor_days]

God. I hate Conor so much right now. You dudes don't even know.

There are a finite number of times one can actually use their knowledge of Bloodwynd to some end.

This thread was one of them. And Conor, that tall handsome devil from NYC, stole my moment. He fucking stole it.

[paulsharkey]

God. I hate Conor so much right now. You dudes don't even know.

There are a finite number of times one can actually use their knowledge of Bloodwynd to some end.

This thread was one of them. And Conor, that tall handsome devil from NYC, stole my moment. He fucking stole it.

If it's any use to you I have a lot more questions that I wouldn't mind someone answering. Like who is the Cyborg superman from Reign of the supermen and why does he look like Kal-El. I just finished the Sinestro war trade and he's in it that too but I still have no idea who he is.

Plus you had the nice pic with your answer

[esophagus]

If it's any use to you I have a lot more questions that I wouldn't mind someone answering. Like who is the Cyborg superman from Reign of the supermen and why does he look like Kal-El. I just finished the Sinestro war trade and he's in it that too but I still have no idea who he is.

Plus you had the nice pic with your answerCyborg Superman is Hank Henshaw. He was exposed to Cosmic Radiation on a failed space shuttle mission for Lexcorp. He is generally used as a villain for Superman or Green Lantern (showing up as both "the Cyborg" and "Cyborg Superman"). During The Reign of the Supermen, Henshaw uses the radiation within his body to reconstruct a body that is genetically identical to Superman (thus, the similar looks) and claim he was Superman reborn.

[labor_days]

Thanks for trying to cheer me up. But I dunno. The wound is still fresh. Don't think I am in the mood for anymore answerin' today.

Unless...someone has questions about Fury.

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/5/5d/HelenaKosmatos.gif

[paulsharkey]

Cyborg Superman is Hank Henshaw. He was exposed to Cosmic Radiation on a failed space shuttle mission for Lexcorp. He is generally used as a villain for Superman or Green Lantern (showing up as both "the Cyborg" and "Cyborg Superman"). During The Reign of the Supermen, Henshaw uses the radiation within his body to reconstruct a body that is genetically identical to Superman (thus, the similar looks) and claim he was Superman reborn.

and people say the X-men have a complicated history. Thanks I had no idea what was going on with him.

[paulsharkey]

Thanks for trying to cheer me up. But I dunno. The wound is still fresh. Don't think I am in the mood for anymore answerin' today.

Unless...someone has questions about Fury.

http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/5/5d/HelenaKosmatos.gif


I have no idea who that is? Sometimes I think I'm not the comic geek my friends think I am.

[horatio616]

I have no idea who that is? Sometimes I think I'm not the comic geek my friends think I am.

No self-respecting geek hasn't read Infinity Inc.! ;)

[paper]

When I was a little kid I always wondered how villains like Rhino and Scorpion went to the bathroom.

I still wonder about these things at night.

[owlboy]

Well the Scorpion just wore a costume so I'm sure he could take that off without too much difficulty. I not sure about the Rhino or the Blob or Juggernaut for that matter. I'm sure the Baxter Building has some specially built toilets for the Thing though.

[paper]

Or Mojo even...

[siratomofbones]

Unofficial ranking of the most powerful DC Universe characters.

- Tier 1 - [ 1st Class +Beyond ]:

The PresenceRama KushnaMeshta

- Tier 2 - [ 1st Class Multiversal Abstract Entity ]:

The Ultimate Darkness

The Ultimate Light

The Source

- Tier 3 - [ 2nd Class Multiversal Abstract Entity ]:

Lucifer Morningstar

Archangel Michael

Elaine

*- Tier 4 - [ 3rd Class Multiversal Entity ]:

Anti-Monitor (full form)

Ultimator10th Dimensional Beings

Hyperman

The Endless

Death

The Witching Hour

- Tier 5 - [ 1st Class Universal Abstract Entity + Dimensional God ]:

Spectre (Fully powered)

The Phantom Stranger

Parallax

Parallax Entity

Ion (Original)

The Anti-Life Entity

The Ecrus

Shattered Gods

The Warlogog

The A

Captain Atom (the one that created a universe)

Kismet (if you want to go by JLAAvengers)

Carnivore

Genesis Box

Una, the Cosmic Worm of Heaven and Hell

Maaldor (Universe)

- Tier 6 - [ 2nd Class Universal Abstract Entity + Dimensional God ]:

The Endless

Destiny

Dream

Destruction

Desire

Despair

Dellirium

Decreator

Godwave

Hell Lords inside their own realm

Neron

Trigon

Neron

Satannish

Satanus

Azmodus

Shaitan

Eclipso

Satan

King of Tears

Koth Sugoth

- Tier 7 - [ High Level Metaphysical + Semi-Abstract ]:

Spectre (High powered)

Eclipso, Wrath of God (High powered)

Time Trapper

Infinite Man

Archangel Gabriel

- Tier 8 - [ "Minor Omnipotent" Level]:

The 5th Dimensional Imps

Known 5th Dimensiona Imps

Mr. Mxyzptlk

Lkz

Yz

Bat-Mite

Qwisp

The Great Tree

- Tier 9 - [ Metaphysical + Semi-Abstract level ]:

Spectre (average)

The Lurker

Entropy (Krona)

The Word

Imperiex

Brainiac 13

Abraxus

Promethian Giants

Quantum Mechanics

Black Racer

Black Flash

Kulak

Mystos

Shadrack

Hellion

Eclipso - Wrath of God (average)

Spear of Destiny

Superman Prime

Lords of Order

-Lord Kilderkin

-J'akk

-Kismet

-Nabu: Nabu the Wise

-Pantagones

-Shatru

-St'ann

-Terataya

-Ynar

Lords of Chaos

-Child

-Gorrum

-Hytuurnus

-Mordru

-M'Shulla

-Nabu: Nabu the Wise

-Shivering Jemmy

-T'Charr

-The Weaver

-The Shallow Brigade and the Laughing Dancers

-The five original Lords of Chaos (Appeared in Grant Morrison's and later

Ann Nocienti's Kid Eternity series - #:Chaos is viewed as a good force

here)

-Typhon

-Vandaemon

-Zanadu the Chaos Maker

Stigmonus Monsiur

- Tier 10 - [ Low Level Metaphysical-High Class Mutants: Reality Warping Level ]:

Bedlam

Thunderbolt (inhibited)

- Tier 11 - [ Older Gods]:

The Old Gods

Arzaz (heroic Old God)

Balduur (heroic Old God whose atoms formed New Genesis)

The Dreggs (the undead)

Lokee (god of evil)

The Nameless One (evil Old God)

Wotan (ruler of the Old Gods)

etc.

S'ivaa the Destroyer and Dark Elements

Maggedon

Yuga Khan

Clockwerx

King of Tears (Outside it's realm)

- Tier 12 - [ Skyfather level + Upper Class Team Wrecker ]:

Cosmic Skyfathers

Darkseid (High showings)

Highfather Izaya

Shazam

Lord Marvel

Guardians of the Universe

The Controllers

Zamarons

Skyfather pantheons (Odin, Zeus, Dove, etc.)

Ares

Cosmic Gamblers

Hell Lords outside their own realm

Neron

Trigon

Neron

Satannish

Satanus

Azmodus

Shaitan

Eclipso

Satan

Wonderland Inhabitants

Doctor Fate (Fullest)

Eclipso (depowered)

Superman One Million

Tynan ( the balance between Chaos and Order)

The Archangels

Gabriel

Uriel

Raphael

Sarauquel

Raguel

Oblivion

Sun Eater

Solaris

Owners of the Earth

Millenium Giants

Trinity Giants (Guardians' god)

The Elder gods of Shazam (Marzosh, Arel, Ribalvei, Voldar, Elbiam, Lumium)

The Luck Lords

- Tier 13 - [ Planetary-Star Scale: Death Gods + Lower Class Team Wreckers + High End Psionics ]:

Despero

Darkseid (varies)

Helspont

Lord Defile

Hightower

Lord Emp

Doctor Fate (Normal)

Validus

Sun-Dipped Superman

Fernus

Takion

Stayne

Hourman III

Waverider

Godfrey Gaius (Actual form)

Eye of Ekron

Black Zero

Swamp Thing (World Elemental)

Parliaments

Trees

Stones

Water

Fire

Air

Elementals

Firestorm

Naiad

Red Tornado

Swamp Thing

Elemental of Stone

Death Gods (Set, Pluto, Hel Half-Rotted, Kali, Hades, Persephone, etc.)

Validus

Omnimar Synn

Overmaster

the Doctor (any one since each has the powers of all previous Doctors)

- Tier 14 - :

Superman

Green Lantern (varies)

The Flash III

Zoom II

Mister Majestic

Black Adam

Doomsday

Sinestro

Orion

Cyborg Superman

Captain Marvel

Martian Manhunter

Sentinel

Triumph

Mantis

Brimstone

Ion (Sodam Yat)

Earth-Born Angel

Supergirl

Comet

Twilight

Blithe

Other Angels

The Seraphim

The Cherubim

Apollo

Lightray

Captain Atom

Firestorm

Doctor Polaris

Bizarro

Some gots to much time on their hands.

[labor_days]

Some gots to much time on their hands.

You can make that argument about 90% of people who post on the forumz.

Cap vs. Spidey. Uatu. Batman's screen name. Mr. Terrific's jacket. Goldstar. Crisis's. Civil Wars. Galactus. How The Rhino uses the bathroom. Montoya's mask.

This shit is important.

[optimus187prime]

I always imagined the Rhinos "waste" would collect in the horn like a colostomy bag. He just dumps it before bed.

[brandeezy]

Labor_Days: Is the Fury you speak of Lyta Hall, former daughter of Wonder Woman, married to a ghost, killer of Morpheus? Talk about character who got screwed over.

[labor_days]

Labor_Days: Is the Fury you speak of Lyta Hall, former daughter of Wonder Woman, married to a ghost, killer of Morpheus? Talk about character who got screwed over.

Yes. A thousand times, yes!

I waited all my life to find someone like you.


Edit: But I also rep for Helena Kosmatos as Fury. Obviously, the pic I posted was of Helena. This is Lyta Trevor-Hall, Fury of new New Earth-1...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2a/Fury-Lyta-Hall.png/250px-Fury-Lyta-Hall.png

[owlboy]

I always imagined the Rhinos "waste" would collect in the horn like a colostomy bag. He just dumps it before bed.

I wonder if he poops in a perfect cylinder like a real rhino

[horatio616]

Labor_Days: Is the Fury you speak of Lyta Hall, former daughter of Wonder Woman, married to a ghost, killer of Morpheus? Talk about character who got screwed over.

Hector got screwed too. The Silver Scarab was pretty damn cool.

[hank41]

Does anyone know when The Preacher or Gotham Central hardcovers are coming out?

[optimus187prime]

Does anyone know when The Preacher or Gotham Central hardcovers are coming out?

Sept for Gotham dont know about Preacher.

[paper]

September 10th for Gotham Central.

[hank41]

awesome, thanks guys

[labor_days]

September 10th for Gotham Central.

Just in time for the most important holiday of the year.

[hank41]

but my birthday isn't until may-

oh...

[racemccloud]

You just have to assume Batman is a total asshole.

In fact, that's the storyline next year, after "Batman: R.I.P". "Batman: Total Asshole". (With Rob Liefeld art and words.)

[racemccloud]

I need to know this. Who's the guy between Human Torch and Wolverine on the bottom? The only possibles I can come up with are John Jameson and Ben Grimm.


http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/horatio616/51RUCboDiML__SS500_.jpg


That guy is actually my dad. He won a bet with Stan Lee, that's what he got. Funny story, remind me to tell you sometime.

What I really want to know is what the hell Martian Manhunter is doing in the top left corner!

[horatio616]

That guy is actually my dad. He won a bet with Stan Lee, that's what he got. Funny story, remind me to tell you sometime.

What I really want to know is what the hell Martian Manhunter is doing in the top left corner!

When DC killed him off they traded his rights for Silverclaw, USAgent, and two characters to be named later.

In Marvel's new Martian Manhunter series, he's going to be a college student!

[racemccloud]

In Marvel's new Martian Manhunter series, he's going to be a college student!

A college student with trouble paying the rent, no luck with women, and a rich asshole roommate (whom will later be revealed to be Rob Liefeld's Batman.)
That's how Marvel rolls, bee-otches.

[labor_days]

I would probably buy such a series.

[esophagus]

My question:

The Incredible Hulk became The Incredible Hercules with issue 113. New title, mostly new team, all new characters, same issue numbers.

Why the hell wouldn't they just make it a new comic?

[labor_days]

Because they wanted to cash in post-WWH.

[horatio616]

I would probably buy such a series.

Wait until you see Silverclaw in the JLA!

[labor_days]

I am excited by your ideas for comic books, Horatio. Perhaps, you should submit them to DC & Marvel. This is lightning in a bottle stuff.

[brandeezy]

The Vision & Red Tornado: are there really that many women with a robot fetish? No one bats an eye, really?

[charlie-blix]

The Vision & Red Tornado: are there really that many women with a robot fetish? No one bats an eye, really?

Its whats on the inside that counts?

[kahunablair]

So it's not so much a robot fetish as it is a gears and circuit board fetish? Even weirder!

[paper]

One word:

Attachments.

[brandeezy]

Charlie Blix: At least Tornado has some kind of "tornado" elemental trapped inside him so there is something that is living, be it a sentient wind spirit. But the Vision's whole personality is based on a the emotions and thoughts of a Wonder Man- who is also on the same team! If you want to get married to a talking computer, I guess that's fine, but how do you explain having kids??...though the Avengers were always neglectful of their women members (*cough, Ms. Marvel, cough*).

[racemccloud]

Plus, as it turns out, the Scarlet Witch was batshit insane, so I'm betting that helps get over marrying a Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robot.

[charlie-blix]

One word:

Attachments.

Thanks for going there. I wanted to but thought better of it. I'm glad I could count on you. Haha.

[brandeezy]

Plus, as it turns out, the Scarlet Witch was batshit insane, so I'm betting that helps get over marrying a Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robot.

that's my point. that shit is crazy! but no-one thought it was weird? not her brother, or her teammates? it seems they are just as crazy as she is...or else just really oblivious.

[brandeezy]

on a similiar vein, is there a major Avengers/JLA storyline that envolves Vision/Tornado that they don't end up destroyed in? Man, Tony Stark/Dr. Morrow must to make crazy-ass payments on insurance for those two.

[horatio616]

I am excited by your ideas for comic books, Horatio. Perhaps, you should submit them to DC & Marvel. This is lightning in a bottle stuff.

Well, I did have an idea for a variation on Hellen Killer that needs fleshing out. It's called AnaSLAYsia. She's got bullets in her brain and her family is dead and she's hightly pissed off!

[racemccloud]

that's my point. that shit is crazy! but no-one thought it was weird? not her brother, or her teammates? it seems they are just as crazy as she is...or else just really oblivious.

There has to be a panel sometime, somewhere, written and drawn by someone, where Hawkeye (or somebody) looks askance at Vision and Scarlet Witch and mutters, "Y'know, he's, like, a robot. Huh."

[diabhol]

During GL: Rebirth. Hal punches Bats and John Stewart tells him off.

(I love Geoff Johns)


Way to shoot "Rebirth" to the top of my gotta read pile. :)



[M]

[hank41]

yeah, that's a great moment

[kahunablair]

There has to be a panel sometime, somewhere, written and drawn by someone, where Hawkeye (or somebody) looks askance at Vision and Scarlet Witch and mutters, "Y'know, he's, like, a robot. Huh."

So, the list of panels/splashpages that need to be drawn:
Hawkeye being weirded out by Scarlet Witch and Vision.
Rulk punching Galactus in his no-no spot.

Better get drawing!

[brandeezy]

Have Luke Cage and Wolverine ever had a conversation with Cap about being tested on by the government to basically recreate his success? Has Cap ever had anything to say about Weapon Plus or any of the many experiments designed to recreate him?

[owlboy]

Do Cage and Wolverine even know the connection?

[oh_caroline]

Originally Posted by kwok_talk View Post
During GL: Rebirth. Hal punches Bats and John Stewart tells him off.

(I love Geoff Johns)

Way to shoot "Rebirth" to the top of my gotta read pile. :)

[M]

Somebody in that scene echoes the 'One Punch!' line from JLI -- I don't have it with me, but I think it might even be Guy Gardner.

I do feel compelled to mention that the next time Bats & Hal meet up, in the GL solo book, Batman takes one look at Hal and decks him. I feel like Johns must have made a deal with DC that Hal got to take Batman out in the mini as long as it was going to be evened up sooner or later. (Then Batman and GL go on a mission together, in which Bats gives Hal all the hardest parts to make sure he gets good and beat up. Hal seems to find this perfectly reasonable, and when they get back to the batcave, he gives Bruce a ring and tries to engage him in a conversation about dead fathers. It's seriously one of my favorite issues of anything ever.)

[crippler]

Yup, definitely a great issue.

@KahunaBlair - Promises, promises. Don't be a tease! I needs me some Galactus nuttin'!
hahah!
I will give you any number of message board adulations to see such a sight!

[euchre0]

I need to know this. Who's the guy between Human Torch and Wolverine on the bottom? The only possibles I can come up with are John Jameson and Ben Grimm.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/horatio616/51RUCboDiML__SS500_.jpg

I have that shirt and I've thought it was Sgt. Fury. You know, before he lost his eye. I can't think of a time when Kirby would have drawn John Jameson.

Edit: Although I don't know when Kirby would have drawn Wolverine, either.

[deadspace]

Question about The Runaways:

Terry Moore is starting a new run soon (this week I think) so I'm wondering if anyone knows if it'll be possible to start reading from here rather than right at the beginning?

Was is necessary to have read Vol 1 to understand Vol 2?

I'm just really interested in Terry Moore's work rather than the series itself.

[optimus187prime]

Question about The Runaways:

Terry Moore is starting a new run soon (this week I think) so I'm wondering if anyone knows if it'll be possible to start reading from here rather than right at the beginning?

Was is necessary to have read Vol 1 to understand Vol 2?

I'm just really interested in Terry Moore's work rather than the series itself.

I read the previous series and I would say you could of read Vol 2 without Vol 1, but why would you? I am unsure if Moores Runaways is a direct continuation, but it is getting renumbered so I would assume you can jump in there. I would recommend reading at least the Vol 1 HC though it is outstanding.

[gungadin]

Question about The Runaways:

Terry Moore is starting a new run soon (this week I think) so I'm wondering if anyone knows if it'll be possible to start reading from here rather than right at the beginning?

Was is necessary to have read Vol 1 to understand Vol 2?

I'm just really interested in Terry Moore's work rather than the series itself.

I'm gonna say if you want the full weight of the story to this point, get your hands on the four hardcovers that are out (the three of Vaughan and the one of Whedon) before starting on the new series. I only say this because if you start here, you'll take away some of the elements of surprise that are awesome in the first two volumes of awesome.

[deadspace]

Hmmm guess I'll give it a miss then (for now anyway). I have way too much to read as it is.

Thanks for the answers though :)

[gungadin]

Hmmm guess I'll give it a miss then (for now anyway). I have way too much to read as it is.

Thanks for the answers though :)

But that's the thing. Runaways is like... probably one of, if not the, best in its subgenre (which would be like a teenage superhero team), and one of my favorite in the supergenre of superheroes...

[owlboy]

Young Justice will always be my favorite teen superhero book; which brings me to my question: Why in the hell haven't they collect that series, dammit? Does DC hate me?

[tad]

I have that shirt and I've thought it was Sgt. Fury. You know, before he lost his eye. I can't think of a time when Kirby would have drawn John Jameson.

Edit: Although I don't know when Kirby would have drawn Wolverine, either.

Maybe Wyatt Wingfoot who's a weird addition. Such a "normal" face doesn't seem to belong on a shirt like that. Before the eye patch Sgt. Fury was always drawn with a five o'clock shadow.

[tad]

Looks like I was right!

http://www.ffplaza.com/images/covers/vol1/ff54.jpg

[humphrey-lee]

The premise to Runaways and how/why it started is pretty easy to grab onto, but it's the plethora of character development that might be gained from reading all the volumes that makes the book all the more accessible.

Also, when it comes to this new volume starting up, apparently a strong stomach for shitty art will be a necessity...

[valoharth]

Also, when it comes to this new volume starting up, apparently a strong stomach for shitty art will be a necessity...

:eek:

[racemccloud]

Young Justice will always be my favorite teen superhero book; which brings me to my question: Why in the hell haven't they collect that series, dammit? Does DC hate me?

Testify!

[gungadin]

Also, when it comes to this new volume starting up, apparently a strong stomach for shitty art will be a necessity...

Ramos is a top ten artist.


Edit: And if not ten, twenty.

[deadspace]

But that's the thing. Runaways is like... probably one of, if not the, best in its subgenre (which would be like a teenage superhero team), and one of my favorite in the supergenre of superheroes...

I read the back of the first one in a local bookshop and it really didn't appeal to me. It was just the fact that terry moore was writing that got me interested...

[kahunablair]

Looks like I was right!

http://www.ffplaza.com/images/covers/vol1/ff54.jpg

And that folks, is why Tad is the man!

[optimus187prime]

A flaming, flying, fighting mad, Human Torch huh. Way to be socially conscious Marvel!

[euchre0]

Maybe Wyatt Wingfoot who's a weird addition. Such a "normal" face doesn't seem to belong on a shirt like that. Before the eye patch Sgt. Fury was always drawn with a five o'clock shadow.
Holy smokes! What a memory you have! I think, however, that when people ask me, I'll tell them Nick Fury because that will be less work than explaining who Wyatt Wingfoot is.

[cam-]

But then people will be like "Wait I saw Iron Man, Nick Fury is Sam Jackson"

[euchre0]

Zounds! Why can't anything every be easy!

[cam-]

Because then nothing would be hard and babies wouldn't get born.

Hey-oh!!

[timmywood-]

Looks like I was right!

http://www.ffplaza.com/images/covers/vol1/ff54.jpg

Who is the creature from the black lagoon guy?

[horatio616]

Who is the creature from the black lagoon guy?

Triton of the Inhumans.

[horatio616]

Maybe Wyatt Wingfoot who's a weird addition. Such a "normal" face doesn't seem to belong on a shirt like that. Before the eye patch Sgt. Fury was always drawn with a five o'clock shadow.

Wow! You're right! That's some obscure shit right there! Thanks!

[horatio616]

I have that shirt and I've thought it was Sgt. Fury. You know, before he lost his eye. I can't think of a time when Kirby would have drawn John Jameson.

Edit: Although I don't know when Kirby would have drawn Wolverine, either.

I'm pretty sure that's a John Byrne Wolverine isn't it?

[kahunablair]

Yup, definitely a great issue.

@KahunaBlair - Promises, promises. Don't be a tease! I needs me some Galactus nuttin'!
hahah!
I will give you any number of message board adulations to see such a sight!

http://www.uploadandgo.com/images/HULKCOVER23.png

[esophagus]

True Kahuna genius. Nice.

[kwok_talk]

Kahuna, that was the highlight of my day!

[hcolyn]

Kahuna, that was the highlight of my day!

I concur sir - this is awesome!

[deadspace]

I would like to pick up something new this week. Does anyone have any suggestions for an issue I can pick up and read without knowing any of the back story? Doesn't even have to be from this week - anything from the last couple of months. Even 2 issues. Anything. It just has to be amazing.

[gobo]

Fear Agent

[optimus187prime]

I would like to pick up something new this week. Does anyone have any suggestions for an issue I can pick up and read without knowing any of the back story? Doesn't even have to be from this week - anything from the last couple of months. Even 2 issues. Anything. It just has to be amazing.

Dont know what you are getting already but I would suggest:

Amazing Spidey 568, 569
Black Panther 39, 40

[optimus187prime]

'starts slow clap while nodding and looking fondly at Blair'

[gobo]

Do you think Red Hulk can punch the universe and make Jason Todd dead again?

[optimus187prime]

Do you think Red Hulk can punch the universe and make Jason Todd dead again?

Only Prime has that ability.

[deadspace]

Dont know what you are getting already but I would suggest:

Amazing Spidey 568, 569
Black Panther 39, 40

So I can pick up Black Panther #39 without knowing anything about it? And without knowing anything about whatever universe its set in, if it's set in one? If so, I'll try it.

[gobo]

Black Panther is the King of Wakanda and Storm is his Queen, Skrulls attack. Pretty much all you need to know (and all I knew).

[deadspace]

Black Panther is the King of Wakanda and Storm is his Queen, Skrulls attack. Pretty much all you need to know (and all I knew).

and it doesn't matter that I've never heard of Wakanda and don't know what Skrulls are?

actually, scrap that. i can't seem to muster up any interest for any of these events or invasions or whatever they're called.

is there anything good that isn't about some big battle?

[gobo]

Fear Agent, new arc started in issue 22 I think.

Actually isn't there a new trade coming out this week? You could grab that instead

[kahunablair]

True Kahuna genius. Nice.

Kahuna, that was the highlight of my day!

I concur sir - this is awesome!

'starts slow clap while nodding and looking fondly at Blair'

Thanks, guys! Much appreciated.

[cam-]

HEY!!!!!

In the most recent issue of FInal Crisis Jay mentions his knee giving out. Doesn't the speed force offer a certain level of invulnerability? Will all the Flashes knees start giving out when they age?

[horatio616]

HEY!!!!!

In the most recent issue of FInal Crisis Jay mentions his knee giving out. Doesn't the speed force offer a certain level of invulnerability? Will all the Flashes knees start giving out when they age?

Wally's about to have series-ending surgery. Morrison kneecapped him.

[cam-]

Poor Wally...

http://haveyouseenmydynamite.com/Tuesday,-October-17th-%232.jpg

[kahunablair]

Dear God, man! I was eating a pizza!

[deadspace]

Man, I was eating!

[paper]

Do Not Want!

[jon_samuelson]

I find the concept of stapling human flesh together so odd.

[optimus187prime]

So I can pick up Black Panther #39 without knowing anything about it? And without knowing anything about whatever universe its set in, if it's set in one? If so, I'll try it.

If you have no interest in Secret Invasion then BP may not be worth it. Spidey isnt really tied to an event in the issues I listed so try that instead.

[paper]

I really don't like Secret Invasion, but I LOVED that Black Panther SI issue. It was a lot of fun, and requires zero history with the character. He's just a badass king of an African nation, he's married to Storm, and....that's it.

[crippler]

http://www.uploadandgo.com/images/HULKCOVER23.png

YOU sir, are my new favourite person.

You may now consider yourself to be the proud owner of a brand new stalker! I will follow you around from forum to forum, defending your viewpoint (no matter how inane) and constantly singing your praises!
Huzzah!

Excellent work. I honestly cracked right up when I saw that post. It must be posted in the Hulk thread as well! (since we will surely revisit the matter when the next issue comes out).

[johnvferrigno]

Wally's about to have series-ending surgery. Morrison kneecapped him.

And don't forget when Deathstroke shot Bart in the kneecap with a shotgun!

[kahunablair]

-They need to give Superman a mullet again.
-Give Sentry a chance to really shine. I'd actually give him a weekly series. And to sweeten the pot I'd have the storylines diverge from his normal idea of him having psychological problems. I'd have it so he would fight different cloned versions of himself, with one of his clones actually turning out to be the REAL Sentry.
-Keep Rulk around forever.

You may now consider yourself to be the proud owner of a brand new stalker! I will follow you around from forum to forum, defending your viewpoint (no matter how inane) and constantly singing your praises!

Have fun defending this post!

[deadspace]

Do you ever read a comic and think it was 'pretty good' but in no way amazing... just kinda... 'yeah, not bad' and go to rate it and as you're about to give it a 3/5 you decide that's too low so go to give it 4/5 but that seems too high, so you really really want there to be a 3.5/5?

WHAT A DILEMMA!!

[labor_days]

For me;

0 stars = garbage

1 stars = poor

2 stars = unremarkable

3 stars = average

4 = excellent

5 = exemplary

[gungadin]

What Labor means by five is "Exemplary and/or Grant Morrison"

When I rate them, I do the Netflix rating system. Which is "Hated it" "Didn't like it." "Liked it." "Really liked it" and "Loved it."

Obviously from 1-5....

[jon_samuelson]

I use the Netflix definitions myself. Although I'm probably a lot stingier giving out 5's when rating comics than I am with movies.

When discussing movies/tv/comics with friends, I like using 12 point scale, like a typical grading system. It just makes sense in my head to call something a "B+" or a "C-".

[labor_days]

I use the 10.0 point scale for all personal reviews.

10 being the pinnacle of a given medium, 1 being the worst example.

[horatio616]

I use the 10.0 point scale for all personal reviews.

10 being the pinnacle of a given medium, 1 being the worst example.

"1" is a Bagley and "10" is a Morrison? ;)

[labor_days]

Bagley is a 0.0, dude.

[horatio616]

Bagley is a 0.0, dude.

You're like the French skating judge of comics. So controversial!

[hank41]

You're like the French skating judge of comics. So controversial!

hahaha. they are so confusing!

[deadspace]

What Labor means by five is "Exemplary and/or Grant Morrison"

When I rate them, I do the Netflix rating system. Which is "Hated it" "Didn't like it." "Liked it." "Really liked it" and "Loved it."

Obviously from 1-5....

I think I'll use that too. It's just that 3/5 can sound quite low (to me anyway).

[gobo]

That's because we live in a world where things rated at 7/10 are considered average.

[gungadin]

That's because we live in a world where things rated at 7/10 are considered average.

Ugh. I hate that. A seven is a "really liked it" and a five is a "meh take it or leave it."

Stupid IMDb...

[gobo]

When I used to write for InsidePulse they had a very strict "5 is average" policy, it got them into major hot water with a few video game companies (where the "7 is average" review situation is worst of all)

[deadspace]

If you have no interest in Secret Invasion then BP may not be worth it. Spidey isnt really tied to an event in the issues I listed so try that instead.

I decided to try Spiderman. It was a browsing in the store decision. Black Panther just looked like it would bore me rigid. For Spidey... I gave it a 3/5. It was interesting to read something that is one of the most pulled comics for the week. That's not happened with me before except with Kick-Ass. Am I supposed to know who this Osborne guy is?

I picked up the one with the sketch cover which is cool cos I didn't realise it was quite rare til I read on the internet this evening :D

I'll probably get the rest of this story but unless something happens to blow me away I don't think I'm a new Spider-man fan.

Oh, but I also picked up Spider-man loves Mary Jane just cos I saw it next to it on the shelf and was feeling a bit random. I quite enjoyed it, but then I think Terry Moore is a genius.

[optimus187prime]

Norman Osborn is the Leader of the Thunderbolts, and formerly the original Green Goblin you know like the movie.

I read the second part of New Ways to Die and wow it is good, Im really digging it.

[bgavino]

um wrong thread sorry.

[labor_days]

That whole Netflix style of review is worthless.

You may as well use use random adjectives and symbols when reviewing & rating.

[jon_samuelson]

For me;

0 stars = garbage

1 stars = poor

2 stars = unremarkable

3 stars = average

4 = excellent

5 = exemplary

Labor, you do recognize that, except for semantic differences, this scale you've defined is essentially identical to the Netflix scale?
1=I hated it 2=I didnt like it 3=It was ok 4=it was really good 5=I loved it

The real failing of the Netflix scale is that they call 3 "I liked it" rather than "It was ok"

[labor_days]

Labor, you do recognize that, except for semantic differences, this scale you've defined is essentially identical to the Netflix scale?
1=I hated it 2=I didnt like it 3=It was ok 4=it was really good 5=I loved it

The real failing of the Netflix scale is that they call 3 "I liked it" rather than "It was ok"

That's not my scale. That's what I assume the star rating approximates. Unless there is an official byline that states what the star ratings equate to on iFanboy proper.

When forced to use the star system when writing a film or music review, I assume the rankings are approximate to what I stated earlier. In print I can give half stars.

My preference is for the modern 10.0 scale as being the most valuable ranking system.

[deadspace]

Norman Osborn is the Leader of the Thunderbolts, and formerly the original Green Goblin you know like the movie.


No idea who the Thunderbolts are and never heard of the original green goblin lol

I've not seen the movies either.

I think I should probably just quit Spider-man :O

[gobo]

Wow... you really are in the dark about Marvel comics... what kind of stuff did you read before? If any?

[racemccloud]

-They need to give Superman a mullet again.


Not only that, but they should split him into "Red" and "Blue" again. That would be awesome!

[racemccloud]

"1" is a Bagley and "10" is a Morrison? ;)

Reverse that.

[racemccloud]

That's because we live in a world where things rated at 7/10 are considered average.

Seven out of ten is 70%. Speaking as a (former) teacher, that IS average. It's not exceptional, but it's not terrible.

So a 3 out of 5 is a 60%, which IS below average, but a 3.5 out of 5 is 70%.

i don't know what my point is anymore, aside from pointing out obvious math.

[racemccloud]

No idea who the Thunderbolts are and never heard of the original green goblin lol

I've not seen the movies either.

I think I should probably just quit Spider-man :O

Quit him? I'm not even sure you've ever heard of him. ;)

[conorkilpatrick]

Seven out of ten is 70%. Speaking as a (former) teacher, that IS average. It's not exceptional, but it's not terrible.

So a 3 out of 5 is a 60%, which IS below average, but a 3.5 out of 5 is 70%.

i don't know what my point is anymore, aside from pointing out obvious math.

That's from a teacher's perspective, which isn't the same as pop culture ratings.

[racemccloud]

That's from a teacher's perspective, which isn't the same as pop culture ratings.

True, but it's all kind of subjective anyway, isn't it?

Edit: Although, now that I think about it, a scale of 10 or 100% is probably too much for a pop culture rating. I think the most I would go is "out of 5".

[deadspace]

Wow... you really are in the dark about Marvel comics... what kind of stuff did you read before? If any?

No, I've not read any Marvel before. I've not read any DC before either. I'm a comic fan that apparently has no time for superheroes. I mean, I just tried that Spider-Man comic that was the 4th (i think) most pulled comic on here. Obviously really popular. And I thought it was... alright. I don't understand what all the hype is about.

Also, if there is one way to put me off a comic it is to describe it as "action-packed"... so all these universe events and things?... *yawn*

I'm possibly the only comic fan who thinks this way. :D

[deadspace]

Seven out of ten is 70%. Speaking as a (former) teacher, that IS average. It's not exceptional, but it's not terrible.

So a 3 out of 5 is a 60%, which IS below average, but a 3.5 out of 5 is 70%.

i don't know what my point is anymore, aside from pointing out obvious math.

at university, here in the UK anyway, 70% and above is exceptional. you get a first class honours degree (the highest there is) with 70% and in a postgrad degree you'll get a distinction with 70%.

[optimus187prime]

No idea who the Thunderbolts are and never heard of the original green goblin lol

I've not seen the movies either.

I think I should probably just quit Spider-man :O

Thunderbolts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolts_(comics))

Norman "Green Goblin" Osborn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Osborn#Norman_Osborn)

Spidey History (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_Man)

[deadspace]

Thunderbolts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolts_(comics))

Norman "Green Goblin" Osborn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Osborn#Norman_Osborn)

Spidey History (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider_Man)

Yeah, I know I can go and wiki stuff but I don't see why that should be necessary. I'm not *that* interested to go and do some background research just so I can read a comic... which was why I asked for something I could read without knowing anything about the backstory :p

[owlboy]

Its not really being hit with backstory as it educating yourself on the characters. If you pick up a book on issue 40-something, you should probably bother to find out who the people are.

[racemccloud]

at university, here in the UK anyway, 70% and above is exceptional. you get a first class honours degree (the highest there is) with 70% and in a postgrad degree you'll get a distinction with 70%.

So what you're telling me, in the UK, all of my former students would be Rhodes scholars.

And a UK 70 is worth a US 100? Again, the power of the Euro rears its head. Damn weak dollar!

[gobo]

I'd imagine they're just graded harder/differently not that everyone in england is dumb

[optimus187prime]

Yeah, I know I can go and wiki stuff but I don't see why that should be necessary. I'm not *that* interested to go and do some background research just so I can read a comic... which was why I asked for something I could read without knowing anything about the backstory :p

Thats the thing, I personally dont believe you need to know the background to enjoy the current story. All of the back story you NEED to know is on the page. I do agree the story has more impact knowing some of the history. I guess it is just not your thing, I got excited to learn more about the characters and their rich history when I got back into comics.

[deadspace]

So what you're telling me, in the UK, all of my former students would be Rhodes scholars.

And a UK 70 is worth a US 100? Again, the power of the Euro rears its head. Damn weak dollar!

You won't get 70% here unless for its level it's practically perfect. If you get 80 or 90 (both of which are extremely rare) it means you have submitted a coursework that's of 'expert' standard ie you could have it published at an international conference or in a journal.

So, in summary, what I'm telling you is that your former students would be marked somewhere between 40% and 70% just like the majority of the students here. Some might fail (less than 40%) and some might get more than 70%. So there you go. You learn something new every day huh :D

[deadspace]

Its not really being hit with backstory as it educating yourself on the characters. If you pick up a book on issue 40-something, you should probably bother to find out who the people are.

It's actually issue #568 :D

I did specifically ask for something that I can just pick up and read without knowing anything about it. If I'd been told "you need to know about X, Y and Z" then it would have been a different story, wouldn't it?

As it stands, Spiderman wasn't too bad in terms of needing to know anything about it - it was just the Osborne guy that threw me cos it was obvious I was supposed to know who he was.

[kahunablair]

When you think about it, the 50% being average model is probably the best way to do it.

[deadspace]

Thats the thing, I personally dont believe you need to know the background to enjoy the current story. All of the back story you NEED to know is on the page. I do agree the story has more impact knowing some of the history. I guess it is just not your thing, I got excited to learn more about the characters and their rich history when I got back into comics.

You're mostly right - especially since there was a good wee intro to it. Like I said above, it was just the norman osborn bit that made me feel like I should have been going "oooohhh it's HIM!" or something lol. I still bought the 2nd one today, but haven't read it yet.

Thank you for the recommendation though - and sorry if I've seemed ungrateful :p i'm just not sure why people are telling me I should have "educated" myself about the comic when I specifically asked for something that I wouldn't have to do that for.

[oh_caroline]

It's actually issue #568 :D

I did specifically ask for something that I can just pick up and read without knowing anything about it. If I'd been told "you need to know about X, Y and Z" then it would have been a different story, wouldn't it?

As it stands, Spiderman wasn't too bad in terms of needing to know anything about it - it was just the Osborne guy that threw me cos it was obvious I was supposed to know who he was.

I haven't read the Spider-Man issue to know how essential the reference was to understanding it. But I think if it's going to bother you for it to be assumed you've heard of *some* of the characters before, then shared-universe stories might not be for you.

[deadspace]

I haven't read the Spider-Man issue to know how essential the reference was to understanding it. But I think if it's going to bother you for it to be assumed you've heard of *some* of the characters before, then shared-universe stories might not be for you.

That's the thing, it didn't *bother* me but people keep replying to me as if I said it did. All I said was that I felt I was supposed to know who this guy was. It wasn't even a criticism - simply a comment after reading it.

[optimus187prime]

You're mostly right - especially since there was a good wee intro to it. Like I said above, it was just the norman osborn bit that made me feel like I should have been going "oooohhh it's HIM!" or something lol. I still bought the 2nd one today, but haven't read it yet.

Thank you for the recommendation though - and sorry if I've seemed ungrateful :p i'm just not sure why people are telling me I should have "educated" myself about the comic when I specifically asked for something that I wouldn't have to do that for.

I dont think you are ungrateful I am actually flattered you took our recommendations. I dont think you lost anything not knowing Peter and Normans history. Although it may have enriched the experience. You shouldnt have to educate yourself, I guess I was just under the impression that you were looking to get into the shared universes. I recommended a title I was enjoying that didnt require knowing anything other than who Spiderman is.

[cam-]

In my opinion Osborne died years ago anyways.

Plus the devil will probably change everything in a few years anyways so just have fun with it!

[oh_caroline]

That's the thing, it didn't *bother* me but people keep replying to me as if I said it did. All I said was that I felt I was supposed to know who this guy was. It wasn't even a criticism - simply a comment after reading it.

Sorry, then. I misread your original comment.

[hank41]

In my opinion Osborne died years ago anyways.

Plus the devil will probably change everything in a few years anyways so just have fun with it!

STOP HATING COMIC BOOKS!!!! ;)

[racemccloud]

So what you're telling me, in the UK, all of my former students would be Rhodes scholars.


Everyone does realize that this was totally a joke, right? I do understand that a UK 70% and a US 70% mean different things. I was just being, y'know, witty.

The frakkata internet has no sense of humor...

[deadspace]

I dont think you are ungrateful I am actually flattered you took our recommendations. I dont think you lost anything not knowing Peter and Normans history. Although it may have enriched the experience. You shouldnt have to educate yourself, I guess I was just under the impression that you were looking to get into the shared universes. I recommended a title I was enjoying that didnt require knowing anything other than who Spiderman is.

I read this week's issue last night. I enjoyed it more than last week's... in fact... there is a small chance that I could be biten by the Spidey bug by the end of this arc. We'll see. I like those black things that hiss lol.

Hahaha @ me being a total n00b :D

[optimus187prime]

I read this week's issue last night. I enjoyed it more than last week's... in fact... there is a small chance that I could be biten by the Spidey bug by the end of this arc. We'll see. I like those black things that hiss lol.

Hahaha @ me being a total n00b :D

Think you mean Venom, and now Anti-Venom. Well if you are bitten then my plan has come to fruition. Joey Q is gonna send me my check for getting another reader on board.

[deadspace]

Random Joker question here. Which Joker story is this...? (my details are sketchy!)

'Something' (gas, poison, something probably deadly) is released on Gotham City and it has the Joker's mark on whatever it is. Problem is, Batman has the Joker already held up somewhere else so it seems like the Joker couldn't be responsible...

That's all I know :o

Think you mean Venom, and now Anti-Venom. Well if you are bitten then my plan has come to fruition. Joey Q is gonna send me my check for getting another reader on board.

That was Venom? Damn, I thought there was more than one of those black things. I need to read it again obviously! Is this the first time there has been an Anti-Venom?

[hank41]

Random Joker question here. Which Joker story is this...? (my details are sketchy!)

'Something' (gas, poison, something probably deadly) is released on Gotham City and it has the Joker's mark on whatever it is. Problem is, Batman has the Joker already held up somewhere else so it seems like the Joker couldn't be responsible...

THE DARK KNIGHT!!!!

;)

[optimus187prime]

Is this the first time there has been an Anti-Venom?
Yes, and color me excited.

[deadspace]

THE DARK KNIGHT!!!!

;)

Funny guy :p

Yes, and color me excited.

Sweet. Quite a good arc this is turning out to be then :D

[deadspace]

Random forum question:

why can I not upload an image for an avatar? i can't even link to my own image. it keeps saying "invalid file". my image isn't bigger than 80x80 and it's only about 4k in size.

[gobo]

Probably best to take it to the Rev 3 support forum. My guess would be an invalid file format, but who knows

[bonemachine]

Who the hell is Solmon Grundy? I only heard of him from Reading Long Halloween.

[optimus187prime]

Who the hell is Solmon Grundy? I only heard of him from Reading Long Halloween.

Nursery Rhyme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Grundy)

Solomon Grundy the DC Comics character (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Grundy_(comics))

[hank41]

Who the hell is Solmon Grundy? I only heard of him from Reading Long Halloween.

all you gotta know is that he can whoop some tush

[gobo]

He's on of the toughest plants on the planet!

[deadspace]

Probably best to take it to the Rev 3 support forum. My guess would be an invalid file format, but who knows

Heh, thanks. I've posted over there now. Apparently others have had the same problem and then it was fixed... but obviously not properly :/

It can't be a format problem unless they don't accept jpegs and gifs lol

[hank41]

@ DeadSpace

that was def. worth the struggle. that's a great avatar

[deadspace]

@ DeadSpace

that was def. worth the struggle. that's a great avatar

I love the series so much I could cry. it's like the characters are alive... and I'm prying into their lives. i love the relationship between Francine and Katchoo and that little picture captures it quite well i think.

I wish i had been reading comics in the 90s when it first started.

*sigh*

[labor_days]

Who the hell is Solmon Grundy? I only heard of him from Reading Long Halloween.

Old villain of the first Green Lantern, Alan Scott. Grundy was a gangster who was killed and dumped at a mystical focal point called Slaughter Swamp. He was turned into a zombie afterward by the Earth Elementals of Slaughter Swamp. But for some reason, Grundy came out fucked up. Mindless and violent. Grundy can't remember who he is fully, why he is or how he got like that.

Grundy dies over and over again. Only to be reborn in the swamp with some aspect of his mind missing or gained anew. Sometimes Grundy rises as a childlike brute, a sociopath, an intelligent schemer or whatever.

Grundy never truly remembers everything about who he is though. Only the pain and rage of dying is retained from incarnation to incarnation.

[racemccloud]

Old villain of the first Green Lantern, Alan Scott. Grundy was a gangster who was killed and dumped at a mystical focal point called Slaughter Swamp. He was turned into a zombie afterward by the Earth Elementals of Slaughter Swamp. But for some reason, Grundy came out fucked up. Mindless and violent. Grundy can't remember who he is fully, why he is or how he got like that.

Grundy dies over and over again. Only to be reborn in the swamp with some aspect of his mind missing or gained anew. Sometimes Grundy rises as a childlike brute, a sociopath, an intelligent schemer or whatever.

Grundy never truly remembers everything about who he is though. Only the pain and rage of dying is retained from incarnation to incarnation.

I need to know: was that Wikipedia, or was that all Labor?

[labor_days]

I need to know: was that Wikipedia, or was that all Labor?

All me.

What did I get wrong?

[brandeezy]

Old villain of the first Green Lantern, Alan Scott. Grundy was a gangster who was killed and dumped at a mystical focal point called Slaughter Swamp. He was turned into a zombie afterward by the Earth Elementals of Slaughter Swamp. But for some reason, Grundy came out fucked up. Mindless and violent. Grundy can't remember who he is fully, why he is or how he got like that.

Grundy dies over and over again. Only to be reborn in the swamp with some aspect of his mind missing or gained anew. Sometimes Grundy rises as a childlike brute, a sociopath, an intelligent schemer or whatever.

Grundy never truly remembers everything about who he is though. Only the pain and rage of dying is retained from incarnation to incarnation.

Grundy was supposed to be a plant elemental like Swamp Thing, but he missed a key ingredient in the process- fire. He like Brother Power after him are failed attempts at making elementals. Being a plant elemental he proves to be a challenge for the original GL, whose ring doesn't work on plants/wood.

Along with his wildly varying levels of intelligence his power vary from incarnation to incarnation. Sometimes Batman can take him out solo and sometimes he makes Supes break a sweat.

[racemccloud]

All me.

What did I get wrong?

Nothing that I can tell. Color me impressed again at the veritable well-spring of DC knowledge you have at your fingertips. I'd love to see you and Conor face off in a DC Trivia Challenge.

[labor_days]

Grundy was supposed to be a plant elemental like Swamp Thing, but he missed a key ingredient in the process- fire. He like Brother Power after him are failed attempts at making elementals. Being a plant elemental he proves to be a challenge for the original GL, whose ring doesn't work on plants/wood.
Yes! I knew there was a reason Grundy was so messed up. Couldn't rememeber the exact reason though.

Did they ever tie the Tree/Earth Elementals of Swamp Thing directly into the Grundy origin? I.E. Has Swamp Thing ever shown up and explained this shit?

[labor_days]

I'd love to see you and Conor face off in a DC Trivia Challenge.
My nemesis in useless minutia challenges.

[gobo]

Yes! I knew there was a reason Grundy was so messed up. Couldn't rememeber the exact reason though.

Did they ever tie the Tree/Earth Elementals of Swamp Thing directly into the Grundy origin? I.E. Has Swamp Thing ever shown up and explained this shit?

During Moore's run of Swamp Thing he runs into Grundy on a whole other planet. They talk about his connection with the "Green" there.

It's expanded upon a bit in Starman when Floronic Man helps them go into Grundy's brain.

At least that's how I remember things :)

[labor_days]

I don't remember Swamp Thing meeting Grundy. But I do recall Grundy going apeshit in Starman.

I should re-read Swamp Thing.