Your Unpopular Opinion!!!

[horatio616]

I've lost count how many times I've seen Transformers: The Movie, I love it to death

If you don't tear up when Optimus dies then God has forsaken you.

[jimski]

Larry Stroman is A-OK by me.

[horatio616]

Larry Stroman is A-OK by me.

Larry Stroman? I was thinking about him the other day after reading Kirkman's manifesto. What's he doing nowadays?

[esophagus]

Isn't he working on, or at least going to be working on, X-Factor?

[conorkilpatrick]

Larry Stroman? I was thinking about him the other day after reading Kirkman's manifesto. What's he doing nowadays?

X-Factor.

[racemccloud]

X-Factor.

And thank God. It's where he belongs.

[racemccloud]

And Transformers rules strictly from Nostalgia.

This may be true. But ladies and gentlemen, I am here to inform you that, as a movie, it's really, really awful.

[racemccloud]

I used to watch WPIX every night. some of the best sitcoms ever were on at the 11:00pm slot on that station. The Honeymooners, The Odd couple, Cheers, they even started showing Seinfeld later on.

"The Odd Couple" and "Cheers", man. That was my bread and butter. Good times, good times.

[gobo]

This may be true. But ladies and gentlemen, I am here to inform you that, as a movie, it's really, really awful.

grrrr

[optimus187prime]

Also "Who's the Boss", "Growing Pains", "Saved by the Bell", "Perfect Strangers", "Full House"... I loved those shows. None of them are even the slightest bit remotely funny.

Thankfully, "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Movie", "The Cosby Show", and "Cheers" all hold up. (As well as the ooooold 60's "The Odd Couple" TV show. Much of my childhood viewing was the 11:00pm - 12:00am timeslot on WPIX Ch. 11 in NYC.)
Id like to add, the A Team, MacGuyver, M*A*S*H, 21 Jump Street, Airwolf, A.L.F., Fall Guy, Night Court, Perfect Strangers, Quantum Leap, Small Wonder, and Tales From the Crypt. Only shows I can watch out of that list now is TFtC and Quantum Leap.

If you don't tear up when Optimus dies then God has forsaken you.
It was just a cold. Horatio always the drama queen.

[horatio616]

It was just a cold. Horatio always the drama queen.

That's what my therapist said before I spin-kicked the coffee cup off his desk and stormed out of his office in tears.

[paper]

Whoa. Whoa. M*A*S*H* is one of the best sitcoms of all time and still holds up.

[gobo]

Hell yeah it is, it holds up astoundingly well.

[optimus187prime]

Whoa. Whoa. M*A*S*H* is one of the best sitcoms of all time and still holds up.

I didnt mean it doesnt hold up just meant I cant watch it anymore. That show, the A Team, and Star Trek the Next Generation, were the shows me and my step-pop would watch ad nauseam.

[jimski]

Whoa. Whoa. M*A*S*H* is one of the best sitcoms of all time and still holds up.

You misspelled "is on every channel in Hell."

I can still remember the night M*A*S*H "went off the air." We all gathered around my gigantic-yet-only-18" wood-paneled television (because it was a long, long, long time ago; I think E.T. was still in theaters) to bid a fond farewell to the 4077 and say our goodbyes to those characters and their war, which somehow went on four times as long as the actual Korean conflict.

"Goodybe, Hawkeye!" we said. "Goodbye, Hot Lips!"

And then they reran it three times a day on four channels for the next twenty-five f***ing years of my life.

It is always on. It has always been on. In this town, every time a good show is being rerun in late night-- NewsRadio, say, or Futurama-- the minute the ratings dip by 3 people, they replace it with f***ing M*A*S*H. O God of Moses, what sacrifice must I offer you to get M*A*S*H off the air?! What tribute will sate your wrath?!

I don't care for the program, is what I'm saying.

[horatio616]

You misspelled "is on every channel in Hell."

I can still remember the night M*A*S*H "went off the air." We all gathered around my gigantic-yet-only-18" wood-paneled television (because it was a long, long, long time ago; I think E.T. was still in theaters) to bid a fond farewell to the 4077 and say our goodbyes to those characters and their war, which somehow went on four times as long as the actual Korean conflict.

"Goodybe, Hawkeye!" we said. "Goodbye, Hot Lips!"

And then they reran it three times a day on four channels for the next twenty-five f***ing years of my life.

It is always on. It has always been on. In this town, every time a good show is being rerun in late night-- NewsRadio, say, or Futurama-- the minute the ratings dip by 3 people, they replace it with f***ing M*A*S*H. O God of Moses, what sacrifice must I offer you to get M*A*S*H off the air?! What tribute will sate your wrath?!

I don't care for the program, is what I'm saying.

I never took to it either for whatever reason. Everytime--and I mean everytime---I go to my LCS on Wednesdays at lunch the owner has it on the tv. I'm like, 'people still watch that damn show?'

[paper]

They play Jaws nonstop too, but it's still a good movie.

There are certainly bad episodes of M*A*S*H, but when it's good, it's landmark television. I don't watch it every time it's on. It's the whole cliche of having a great steak every single night. Gets old quick. But that shouldn't take away from how good it was.

[optimus187prime]

It's the whole cliche of having a great steak every single night. Gets old quick. But that shouldn't take away from how good it was.

Can someone tell Brubaker about this, so when he writes Cap he can throw in a few WTF ideas/moments. Some times I read that book and think I dont appreciate this enough even though it is one of the best things I have ever read. Its papers fault.

[cam-]

You misspelled "is on every channel in Hell."

I can still remember the night M*A*S*H "went off the air." We all gathered around my gigantic-yet-only-18" wood-paneled television (because it was a long, long, long time ago; I think E.T. was still in theaters) to bid a fond farewell to the 4077 and say our goodbyes to those characters and their war, which somehow went on four times as long as the actual Korean conflict.

"Goodybe, Hawkeye!" we said. "Goodbye, Hot Lips!"

And then they reran it three times a day on four channels for the next twenty-five f***ing years of my life.

It is always on. It has always been on. In this town, every time a good show is being rerun in late night-- NewsRadio, say, or Futurama-- the minute the ratings dip by 3 people, they replace it with f***ing M*A*S*H. O God of Moses, what sacrifice must I offer you to get M*A*S*H off the air?! What tribute will sate your wrath?!

I don't care for the program, is what I'm saying.

For some reason it sounds like your talking about Brett Favre's career.

[jimski]

It's the whole cliche of having a great steak every single night. Gets old quick. But that shouldn't take away from how good it was. Imagine, though, that you finished dinner and they just brought out a fresh steak. So you leave the room, but there's somebody in the next room waiting for you with a steak. So you jump out the window, and you land on a steak. So you try to call 911, but when you reach in your pocket your phone is a steak.

[paper]

Did you lose your remote control?

[jimski]

You don't understand.

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It's everywhere!

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/MASH-tv-show-11.jpg

Everywhere!

http://www.onfrozenblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/mash-tv-show-15.jpg

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[ryan79]

I've lost count how many times I've seen Transformers: The Movie, I love it to death

I still say it's Orson Welles' finest performance.

[jimski]

You don't understand.

It's everywhere! Of course, the cosmic joke is that years from now my daughter will despise "The Simpsons" for all the same reasons and break my heart.

[dave-accampo]

Imagine, though, that you finished dinner and they just brought out a fresh steak. So you leave the room, but there's somebody in the next room waiting for you with a steak. So you jump out the window, and you land on a steak. So you try to call 911, but when you reach in your pocket your phone is a steak.

mmmm... now I want steak.

Wait, what were we talking about...?

[piscespaul]

*whistling*

"That suicide is painless.

It brings on many changes.

And I can take or leave it if I please."

[bonemachine]

In a internet cafe and I've just seen the amount of replies on this thread. Kick ass! This is one great big therapy sesision! Have to admit that I got the idea off a movie sight but it works just as well talking about comics.

[oh_caroline]

You misspelled "is on every channel in Hell."

I can still remember the night M*A*S*H "went off the air." We all gathered around my gigantic-yet-only-18" wood-paneled television (because it was a long, long, long time ago; I think E.T. was still in theaters) to bid a fond farewell to the 4077 and say our goodbyes to those characters and their war, which somehow went on four times as long as the actual Korean conflict.

"Goodybe, Hawkeye!" we said. "Goodbye, Hot Lips!"

And then they reran it three times a day on four channels for the next twenty-five f***ing years of my life.

It is always on. It has always been on. In this town, every time a good show is being rerun in late night-- NewsRadio, say, or Futurama-- the minute the ratings dip by 3 people, they replace it with f***ing M*A*S*H. O God of Moses, what sacrifice must I offer you to get M*A*S*H off the air?! What tribute will sate your wrath?!

I don't care for the program, is what I'm saying.

This is one of the best rants I have ever read, Jimski. Wow.

Also, I continue to be the anti-Paper when it comes to all things television, because I don't care for MASH either. This may not bode well for the 'Mad Men' DVD I just got from Netflix.

[deadspace]

Ok. Here goes. I'm going to be hated for this but...

I don't like The Walking Dead

There. I said it.

I know I must be the only person in existance not to like it but that's just the way it is. I find it incredibly contrived with not an iota of intelligence to the story. In its defence I will say that approximately every 10 issues something happens that makes me think "ok, that was actually pretty good" but as a whole... I think it's possibly the most over-rated thing I've ever come across. Why is it that I don't care about any of the characters? Why do I care more about Matty from 5 issues of DMZ than I do about whatever-his-name-is from 50-something issues of The Walking Dead? I just feel that with every trade I got through of The Walking Dead some of my brain cells died.

I don't like Zombie movies though (for many of the same reasons) so maybe that's a prerequisite for enjoying The Walking Dead.

Phew. That was cathartic.

[optimus187prime]

I don't like Zombie movies though (for many of the same reasons) so maybe that's a prerequisite for enjoying The Walking Dead.



Id say it isnt a prerequisite but is certainly helps. I for instance love zombie films (most of them) and the Walking Dead is in my top 5 easily. The one thing I dont get is how you are not interested in the characters. There is a lot of time spent fleshing them out and you get a real taste of how they feel. I read in HC so I am not fully up to date, but for example the change you see in the main character Rick. You see him being changed by a world gone mad, his belief in mankind and his hope get tested constantly.

This is from a guy who doesnt like the Watchmen and the Beatles, though.

[deadspace]

Id say it isnt a prerequisite but is certainly helps. I for instance love zombie films (most of them) and the Walking Dead is in my top 5 easily. The one thing I dont get is how you are not interested in the characters. There is a lot of time spent fleshing them out and you get a real taste of how they feel. I read in HC so I am not fully up to date, but for example the change you see in the main character Rick. You see him being changed by a world gone mad, his belief in mankind and his hope get tested constantly.

This is from a guy who doesnt like the Watchmen and the Beatles, though.

The change in Rick is one of the things I found terribly contrived. And I care so little about him that he could be killed in the next issue and I honestly wouldn't care. The other characters I feel have a sole purpose of being there for future zombie killings ad that's it. And some of the dialogue makes me cringe because it's so poorly written. (God, I'm so dead for saying that)

But I love The Watchmen and The Beatles lol

I mean for me, the Watchmen is an astounding piece of literature. The Walking Dead is like... in the mind fluff category. It's the gossip magazine of magazines, the manufactured boy band of music and the Hostel of movies.

Wow, man, this is some serious therapy. I've been wanting to say this stuff for so long :D

[optimus187prime]

Different strokes.

Yeah I completely disagree. It kills me to do this but........


....Can we just be friends, Its not me, its you. :p

[deadspace]

lol yeah it's not one of those things I'd argue about. different people like different things. i've grown to accept that not everyone can have the same amazing tastes as me, and so it's ok when other people are wrong :D :p

[luthor]

I've not said anything in this one...and I've got a lot of unpopular opinions:

I hate Daredevil with a passion, and think the only good run on the character was Karl Kesel's take.

Rick Jones is the most important character in the Marvel Universe.

The original Sentry mini series is genius and I think the character can still be saved.

I still like Alex Ross' art. A lot.

Jason Todd is one of my favorite characters.

Not a big Frank Miller fan.

Duke > Nick Fury.

[esophagus]

Edit: Scratch this.

[esophagus]

I've not said anything in this one...and I've got a lot of unpopular opinions:

I hate Daredevil with a passion, and think the only good run on the character was Karl Kesel's take.

Rick Jones is the most important character in the Marvel Universe.

The original Sentry mini series is genius and I think the character can still be saved.

I still like Alex Ross' art. A lot.

Jason Todd is one of my favorite characters.

Not a big Frank Miller fan.

Duke > Nick Fury.We've had a pretty good run. I don't think we have anything to be upset about. Lets just both move on. Its for the best.

[labor_days]

Huh. Never realized just how much I hate Luthor's guts till now.

[oh_caroline]

I've not said anything in this one...and I've got a lot of unpopular opinions:

I hate Daredevil with a passion, and think the only good run on the character was Karl Kesel's take.

Rick Jones is the most important character in the Marvel Universe.

The original Sentry mini series is genius and I think the character can still be saved.

I still like Alex Ross' art. A lot.

Jason Todd is one of my favorite characters.

Not a big Frank Miller fan.

Duke > Nick Fury.

You know, Luthor, I don't actually know your opinions well enough to tell if you're being serious or not. I just had to contribute that, while I think you meant Duke from GI Joe, I was totally picturing Duke from Doonesbury as Director of SHIELD and now I want to read that comic book a lot.

[esophagus]

I will give you this much:

I thought Justice was alright.

I enjoyed the Sentry miniseries.

Past that, you are full of crazy talk.

My unpopular opinion:

Despite Luthor's crazy talk, I will put consideration into talking to him again.

[paper]

I hate Daredevil with a passion, and think the only good run on the character was Karl Kesel's take.



*vomits violently*

[labor_days]

Caroline, he's serious. And that is what makes it so very, very sad.

[luthor]

Huh. Never realized just how much I hate Luthor's guts till now.

I also forgot to mention my detesting of SubGlam...ugh.

[esophagus]

Do you even really read comics?

[paper]

I hate Daredevil with a passion, and think the only good run on the character was Karl Kesel's take.



This is worse than my dislike of Steve Rogers and Dick Grayson.

[luthor]

This is worse than my dislike of Steve Rogers and Dick Grayson.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7549/mopeypz4.gif

[oh_caroline]

Caroline, he's serious. And that is what makes it so very, very sad.

If that's the case, I clearly need to hear the Rick Jones theory.

[esophagus]

False attempt at wit.Don't even try it, sir. We have had enough out of you.

[labor_days]

Funny thing is, Luthor is 101% OTM w/r/t Rick Jones.

Rick Jones > your life.

[luthor]

If that's the case, I clearly need to hear the Rick Jones theory.

Without Rick there is no Marvel Universe. Rick Jones is key to every major event that's ever happened in the Marvel Universe. Without Rick, there's no Hulk which means no Avengers which means no Captain America and on and on it goes.

He ended the Kree/Skrull War. He's the benefactor of the Runaways. He's been a partner to Hulk, Captain America, 2 Captain Marvels and ROM Space Knight. His best friends include every heavy hitter in the Marvel Universe.

Rick's just the man.

[oh_caroline]

Without Rick there is no Marvel Universe. Rick Jones is key to every major event that's ever happened in the Marvel Universe. Without Rick, there's no Hulk which means no Avengers which means no Captain America and on and on it goes.

He ended the Kree/Skrull War. He's the benefactor of the Runaways. He's been a partner to Hulk, Captain America, 2 Captain Marvels and ROM Space Knight. His best friends include every heavy hitter in the Marvel Universe.

Rick's just the man.

I don't doubt that any of that is true, but. . .he still kind of sucks, right? I mean, being used repeatedly as a plot device doesn't actually make somebody a good character.

[luthor]

I don't doubt that any of that is true, but. . .he still kind of sucks, right? I mean, being used repeatedly as a plot device doesn't actually make somebody a good character.

...

Where is the block button? Seriously.

You say you're a Peter David fan, have you read his Hulk and Captain Marvel runs?

[labor_days]

I don't doubt that any of that is true, but. . .he still kind of sucks, right?
GOD!

I hate Caroline so much. I hope that when I add her to my ignore list (in a few seconds...), she feels my white hot rage through her monitor.

[labor_days]

Mods, please ban Caroline for having a terrible opinion on the best person to ever live in comics- Rick Jones.

Sincerely, the iFanbase (really just me. but ya'know we fly.)

[oh_caroline]

...

Where is the block button? Seriously.

You say you're a Peter David fan, have you read his Hulk and Captain Marvel runs?

Awww, Luthor, I'm just funnin'!

I've read a few issues of PAD's Hulk, but I mostly remember Rick from volume 1 of Avengers, and from being the butt of (affectionate) jokes in Runaways and Alias.

Rick was in Captain Marvel, TOO?

[esophagus]

Rick Jones is in everything. I would say that Rick Jones is the most well conntected man in the Marvel U. Not the most important.

[sn4tch]

My unpopular opinion.

I am a huge Batman fan

But I hate hate HATE DKR....

[bonemachine]

My unpopular opinion.

I am a huge Batman fan

But I hate hate HATE DKR....

Dude, keep your head down,

[paulsharkey]

My unpopular opinion.

I am a huge Batman fan

But I hate hate HATE DKR....

You sir are worse than Hitler...

[racemccloud]

My unpopular opinion.

I am a huge Batman fan

But I hate hate HATE DKR....

Really? Even though THAT'S your avatar? Why do you hate it?

[kahunablair]

I hate Daredevil with a passion, and think the only good run on the character was Karl Kesel's take.

Daredevil does nothing for me either, man. Don't get the DD love.

I still like Alex Ross' art. A lot.

Same here.

[cam-]

Really? Even though THAT'S your avatar? Why do you hate it?

I tHink he means Miller's Dark Knight returns, so his avatar is irrelevant.

[racemccloud]

Oh, right. DKR. Duh.

[esophagus]

TDK. DKR.

Too many abbreviations. TMA?

[horatio616]

Karl Kessel Daredevil?????

[luthor]

Karl Kessel Daredevil?????

It was really good. It was lighter in tone and Daredevil was kind of portrayed as the Daffy Duck of the Marvel U. There's a million of them in quarter bins and are really worth checking out.

[horatio616]

It was really good. It was lighter in tone and Daredevil was kind of portrayed as the Daffy Duck of the Marvel U. There's a million of them in quarter bins and are really worth checking out.

Yeah, I have them. Art by Cary Nord. I don't remember there being much noteworthy about them except Nord's art... That was more out of exasperation and not really a question. ;)

Modern Daredevil heirarchy:

Bendis > Miller > Brubaker > Smith > Nocenti > Chichester > Kessel

[conorkilpatrick]

It was really good. It was lighter in tone and Daredevil was kind of portrayed as the Daffy Duck of the Marvel U. There's a million of them in quarter bins and are really worth checking out.

He wrote Daredevil #353-364.

[horatio616]

Frank Miller's Born Again (DD 227-233?) may be the best thing he's ever written or at least in the conversation.

Born Again = DKR = Year One

[luthor]

Daredevil < Everything.

[humphrey-lee]

Oh yeah, Alex Ross? Pretty pinups and splashes, but one of the worst panel to panel storytellers I've ever seen. I don't mind his cover art though, as long as it's not generic "dude or dudette posing there with one of the typical three looks on their face that Ross does" (and sadly, that's the case about two-thirds of the time), but I never really want to see his interiors again unless the book itself is all splashes, and that's not exactly something I want to see either.

Also, just put the lenses in Batman's cowl you egotistical fuck. No one gives a fuck how the characters looked when you were six back when they were your only friends, do them correctly now like some sort of professional.

Thank you... :D

[johnvferrigno]

Oh yeah, Alex Ross? Pretty pinups and splashes, but one of the worst panel to panel storytellers I've ever seen. I don't mind his cover art though, as long as it's not generic "dude or dudette posing there with one of the typical three looks on their face that Ross does" (and sadly, that's the case about two-thirds of the time), but I never really want to see his interiors again unless the book itself is all splashes, and that's not exactly something I want to see either.

Also, just put the lenses in Batman's cowl you egotistical fuck. No one gives a fuck how the characters looked when you were six back when they were your only friends, do them correctly now like some sort of professional.

Thank you... :D

This post just made my day. Have you ever seen an interview with Alex Ross? He comes off as such a pompous jack-ass. And he does the same painting over and over and over again, yet people keep creaming their jeans over it. If a writer did the exact same story every time, he would be crucified, yet for some reason, people just freak out over Ross. I don't get it.

[racemccloud]

This post just made my day. Have you ever seen an interview with Alex Ross? He comes off as such a pompous jack-ass. And he does the same painting over and over and over again, yet people keep creaming their jeans over it. If a writer did the exact same story every time, he would be crucified, yet for some reason, people just freak out over Ross. I don't get it.

Yeah, the novelty wore off after "Marvels", which was admittedly very cool.

[horatio616]

This post just made my day. Have you ever seen an interview with Alex Ross? He comes off as such a pompous jack-ass. And he does the same painting over and over and over again, yet people keep creaming their jeans over it. If a writer did the exact same story every time, he would be crucified, yet for some reason, people just freak out over Ross. I don't get it.

Hey, I don't know if you've picked up on this, but he hates Bush and really likes Obama. It's subtle, but if you look at his art with a discerning eye you'll catch it. Alex Ross is all about nuance.

[paper]

God forbid an artist have an opinion.

Yeah, I don't like his interiors either. Covers are awesome though. And I do like the Obama t-shirt.

[horatio616]

God forbid an artist have an opinion.

Yeah, I don't like his interiors either. Covers are awesome though. And I do like the Obama t-shirt.

Opinions are fine. His art is a reflection of his personality. Alex Ross is not one for nuance or subtlety.

[humphrey-lee]

God forbid an artist have an opinion.

Yeah, I don't like his interiors either. Covers are awesome though. And I do like the Obama t-shirt.

I love the cover he did for the Village Voice that one time, the Bush sucking the blood out of the Statue of Liberty one. Enough so that I bought a t-shirt of it. The new Obama poster though, I can't help but laugh that he basically copied his own "iconic" version of superman opening the suit and put Obama on it. It really is exactly the same piece, suit and all, except with the big O of course.

I've been flipping through Marvels again recently, and it literally is "Awesome splash page, awesome splash page, four panel layout with horrible transitions, awesome splash page, page with six overlapping panels meant to convey certain changes in emotion which he can't properly depict because a range of emotion so they just look more like someone just farted than any real feeling... and then awesome splash page." It's kind of sad in an occasionally awe-inspiring way once you get the part where Galactus is flippin shit.

I actually do like the covers he's been doing recently for JSA and Superman and Batman because at least they've been capturing the characters doing more than just standing there posed and trying to milk the iconic, but that string of JSA covers that started the new series, with the 2ndary characters just posed in front of a black background fucking infuriated me. That's not a cover, it's a pin-up. And fucking Cyclone had the exact same chin as Captain Marvel did back during his JLA pinup series, no shit. The bottom half of her face is bigger than the top. It's really kind of funny actually...

[paper]

The new Obama poster though, I can't help but laugh that he basically copied his own "iconic" version of superman opening the suit and put Obama on it. It really is exactly the same piece, suit and all, except with the big O of course.



Well, that's the point. If you're going to cast him in the role of iconic hero, use an iconic image of Superman. Artists have been doing this for years. If the point is comparing one icon to another, you're only diluting the message if you alter the icon any further than you have to.

(I own the shirt)

[humphrey-lee]

Well, that's the point. If you're going to cast him in the role of iconic hero, use an iconic image of Superman. Artists have been doing this for years. If the point is comparing one icon to another, you're only diluting the message if you alter the icon any further than you have to.

(I own the shirt)

No no, I just meant he pretty much did a "copy/paste" except for the two big exceptions of the O and, y'know, being black. Or at least I thought he had, but now that I look at it more, he did come at this one from a "ground up" standpoint. On first look, I coulda swore he just did the same picture again, which is something he does all the time really, but never gets nailed for like some guys do. The man is Teflon in the eyes of most fanboys. But this one is legit, I'll take back my statement on that.

Seriously though, fucking lenses you prick...

[hank41]

i think his art got old for me after i read Marvels, but i bought my mom the Bush bitting Liberty shirt

[racemccloud]

Actually, Alex Ross work started making me feel a little creepy after I read somewhere that he would dress up in the costumes and look at himself in the mirror in order to get a better feel for what he was painting.

I mean, I understand painting using a model and what not... but I have a nagging feeling that, at least in part, he just wants to dress up as Batman.

(Not that there's anything wrong with that, con-goers and members of the Imperial 501st...)

[aerodynamics]

Actually, Alex Ross work started making me feel a little creepy after I read somewhere that he would dress up in the costumes and look at himself in the mirror in order to get a better feel for what he was painting.

That's the best thing I've heard in a long time.

[sn4tch]

After saying I don't like Dark Knight Returns... here's the next thing that I think will destroy any cred I have.

I used to read X-men all through the 90's and early 00's. But I felt that Morrisons New X-men was so good, that when his run was over, I stopped reading all X-men books (except Ultimate X-men) because I felt it was perfect place to end the story.

I still haven't picked up a normal X book since...

[gobo]

Aside from Astonishing X-Men you haven't missed anything.

[racemccloud]

After saying I don't like Dark Knight Returns... here's the next thing that I think will destroy any cred I have.

I used to read X-men all through the 90's and early 00's. But I felt that Morrisons New X-men was so good, that when his run was over, I stopped reading all X-men books (except Ultimate X-men) because I felt it was perfect place to end the story.

I still haven't picked up a normal X book since...

I see no problem with that. It's not like the X-Books have been tearing it up since then.

Although I'm of two minds about recommending Whedon's excellent "Astonishing" run. It's sort of a continuation of Morrison's run. So for you, it would either read as a return to those X-Stories you liked... or a sequel that isn't as good as the original you loved.

Ah, get the first trade. Totally worth it.

[dgg3565]

Here's mine:

I have absolutely no wish to read Y: The Last Man. It's a cool idea (cool ideas usually hook me), but it just doesn't have the vibe that makes me want to read it. Also, I liked Lady in the Water.

[gungadin]

Here's mine:

I have absolutely no wish to read Y: The Last Man. It's a cool idea (cool ideas usually hook me), but it just doesn't have the vibe that makes me want to read it. Also, I liked Lady in the Water.

I'd just like to say that Y: The Last Man is more than just "all the men die." It's really a growing up story about this dude in an impossible situation and how he grows into himself and being a man.

[dgg3565]

I'd just like to say that Y: The Last Man is more than just "all the men die." It's really a growing up story about this dude in an impossible situation and how he grows into himself and being a man.

Just saw the video podcast on it. Even tried a couple of pages of the first issue. Can't get into it. Not knocking it, though. Maybe I'll read it some day.

[dgg3565]

To add: I'm working on a post-apoc graphic novel series that deals with some similar themes, so I know it's especially odd, in light of that.

[dgg3565]

Another one: I don't get the hype with Firefly. Again, an interesting idea that should be up my alley, but I wasn't that sold on the execution. However, I do think Fox dropped the ball when they canceled it.

[gungadin]

Another one: I don't get the hype with Firefly. Again, an interesting idea that should be up my alley, but I wasn't that sold on the execution. However, I do think Fox dropped the ball when they canceled it.

Blasphemy. Did you see all of it?

[dgg3565]

No. I gave it a few episodes, but it just didn't hook me.

[gungadin]

No. I gave it a few episodes, but it just didn't hook me.

's a damn shame...

[dave-accampo]

Another one: I don't get the hype with Firefly. Again, an interesting idea that should be up my alley, but I wasn't that sold on the execution. However, I do think Fox dropped the ball when they canceled it. Sounds like you're just a mite harder on the themes/ideas that you either want to write yourself or are just "up your alley." I see nothing wrong with that.

But I will say that Y is wonderful. Then again, if it doesn't hook you from the first issue, I don't know that you'll ever really get into it. Fables is a book that latches onto you slowly. BKV, whether you like him or not, specializes in the first issue hook. And he's damn good at it. I really notice it now, as I read the first issues of the latest crop of Vertigo titles.

[dgg3565]

Sounds like you're just a mite harder on the themes/ideas that you either want to write yourself or are just "up your alley." I see nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, I'm the type of guy that tends to rewrite or work out the story as I'm watching/reading it.

But I will say that Y is wonderful. Then again, if it doesn't hook you from the first issue, I don't know that you'll ever really get into it. Fables is a book that latches onto you slowly. BKV, whether you like him or not, specializes in the first issue hook. And he's damn good at it. I really notice it now, as I read the first issues of the latest crop of Vertigo titles.

It's always there for me to come back to. I do try stuff outside my tastes, just to make sure.

I think the distinction has to be made between objective standards of artistry and subjective standards of taste. One can appreciate what something accomplishes, without it necessarily being a personal favorite.

[dave-accampo]

I think the distinction has to be made between objective standards of artistry and subjective standards of taste. One can appreciate what something accomplishes, without it necessarily being a personal favorite. Oh, to be sure. That comes up quite a lot on these forums. :)

[ryan79]

I don't like John Romita Jr's art.

Can't put my finger on exactly why. I guess I just prefer my comic art a little smoother. I don't avoid his artwork or anything, I guess I just feel disappointment when I see him on a book I'm going to buy.

[aerodynamics]

I didn't hate 'Superman Beyond 3D'.

I will have to give it another, very careful, reading.

[optimus187prime]

I don't like John Romita Jr's art.

Can't put my finger on exactly why. I guess I just prefer my comic art a little smoother. I don't avoid his artwork or anything, I guess I just feel disappointment when I see him on a book I'm going to buy.

Thats a surprise he is one of my top 5. With the amount of his work coming out I am in heaven. In fact he is the reason I decided to get "New Ways to Die" which I am really enjoying.

[kahunablair]

I don't like John Romita Jr's art.

Can't put my finger on exactly why. I guess I just prefer my comic art a little smoother. I don't avoid his artwork or anything, I guess I just feel disappointment when I see him on a book I'm going to buy.

I used to not like him either. Same thing with Kirby. I just never got it and I couldn't say why.

Now on the other hand, I love Kirby and like JR jr.

[aerodynamics]

I am of the opinion that appreciation of RomitaJr and Kirby's work is mandatory and objective.

In otherwords: if you think you don't like it, you are mistaken about your own opinion (that is: you do like it but you just don't know that you do) and, furthermore, you are statutorily required to like it.

Don't make me call the thought police.

[labor_days]

I am of the opinion that appreciation of RomitaJr and Kirby's work is mandatory and objective.

In otherwords: if you think you don't like it, you are mistaken about your own opinion (that is: you do like it but you just don't know that you do) and, furthermore, you are statutorily required to like it.

Don't make me call the thought police.

I like this guy. ^

Romita and Kirby are king shit of fuck mountain.

[horatio616]

I like this guy. ^

Romita and Kirby are king shit of fuck mountain.

I really wish they'd reprint Kirby's Superpowers mini from the 80s. It was my first time with Kirby. *blushes*

The first artist I ever knew the name of was John Romita Jr. If it weren't for his an Claremont's X-Men, I might not even be reading comics.

[timmywood-]

I like John Romita Jr but something about the way he draws noses is really weird to me. I love everything else he does though. I really love his Spider-man.
Is anyone else with me on this? Or am I just crazy.

[hank41]

yeah, i am. Romita is a fantastic artist, but he draws all people with the nose of a 60 year-old boxer

[minithin]

i adore nextwave: agents of hate, particularly the "i'm trying so hard to kill myself" jokes and the horribly funny grammatical errors of the robots.

the book also also addresses the phenomena of giant jack kirbian monsters wearing cutoffs.

with every page turn, i feel that it's only a matter of time before we see machine man get hit in the nuts with a soccer ball.

[paper]

This is not an unpopular opinion.

[esophagus]

i adore nextwave: agents of hate, particularly the "i'm trying so hard to kill myself" jokes and the horribly funny grammatical errors of the robots.

the book also also addresses the phenomena of giant jack kirbian monsters wearing cutoffs.

with every page turn, i feel that it's only a matter of time before we see machine man get hit in the nuts with a soccer ball.If you are unpopular, I assure you that your love of Nextwave has nothing to do with it. Quality book.

[oh_caroline]

i adore nextwave: agents of hate, particularly the "i'm trying so hard to kill myself" jokes and the horribly funny grammatical errors of the robots.

the book also also addresses the phenomena of giant jack kirbian monsters wearing cutoffs.

with every page turn, i feel that it's only a matter of time before we see machine man get hit in the nuts with a soccer ball.

I can't think of a good reason I haven't read this book. You sell it well.

[hank41]

ive always wanted to read Nextwave because of Immonen's art....he drew that right?

[paper]

ive always wanted to read Nextwave because of Immonen's art....he drew that right?

Yessir.

[timmywood-]

I love Nextwave I found the entire run in issues at a fifty cent bin. It was awesome.

[hank41]

say whaaaaaaat?

[racemccloud]

I'll chime in. "Nextwave" is classic.

[paulsharkey]

I'll chime in. "Nextwave" is classic.

In the words of that god who walks with us Patrick Swayze "Ditto"

[jgg0610]

I'll chime in with one. Preacher is one of the worst books that I've ever read. All build up and an extremely weak third act. Also, pretty much the whole book is shock for shocks sake with nothing to back it up. This works in a short story like the Pro but not in a nine trade book like Preacher.

Also, like some others I liked X3 and thought Superman Returns was two hours of my life I wanted back.

[jon_samuelson]

I'll chime in with one. Preacher is one of the worst books that I've ever read. All build up and an extremely weak third act. Also, pretty much the whole book is shock for shocks sake with nothing to back it up. This works in a short story like the Pro but not in a nine trade book like Preacher.

Also, like some others I liked X3 and thought Superman Returns was two hours of my life I wanted back.

Wow, from my perspective JGG really gets the concept of this thread. I loved Preacher, and thought all of the badassery for the sake of badassery sort of turned the story into the ultimate representation of a Western.

X3 blew more than I thought possible. Completely derailed the franchise.

While Superman Returns was a little too corny and inconsistent to be a really great movie, I thought it got the spirit of the character perfectly, and honestly that's what most important in a Superman story.

Now I'll have to think about what I'd want to put in here, in order to justify bothering to post.

Hmmm... I got nothin'. I'll think on it.

[racemccloud]

X3 wasn't awful, but I hate that entire franchise for what they did to Cyclops. James Marsden has been better in every other movie he's been in then he was in the X-Series, primarily because of material.

"X2" still kicks ass, though.

He killed in "Hairspray". I may "Sex Drive" entirely because of him. And he was more heroic in "Superman Returns" than he got to be in all three "X" movies.

Oh, "Superman Returns"... the best parts were the opening credits and the airplane sequence. "Superman vs. the Giant Rock" were not so cool.

Oh, and I liked "Spider-Man 3". A lot.

[hank41]

While Superman Returns was a little too corny and inconsistent to be a really great movie, I thought it got the spirit of the character perfectly, and honestly that's what most important in a Superman story.

I agree to you to some degree on this, but why can't you do both? there's no reason why you can't tell a great story while staying true to the spirit of the character. that's not asking too much, right?

[hank41]

I agree to you to some degree on this, but why can't you do both? there's no reason why you can't tell a great story while staying true to the spirit of the character. that's not asking too much, right?

it looks like The Spirit is going to be doing neither of these things...

[aaron-thomas-nelson]

Watchmen = Overrated murder mystery. I mean, was it really that big of a surprise who killed The Comedian? Did anyone drop out of their chairs when they found out? I seriously just got the feeling that Alan Moore was this big Agatha Christie fan (whore?) after reading Watchmen.

And as for the whole "Superheroes being real" thing... Spider-Man was doing the whole "real Superheroes" thing long before Watchmen (I mean, the dude's origin story begins with him starting out as an anti-hero). Maybe not as _well_ as they're being done now, but they were still doing it back then.



Also, 30 Days of Night: How the hell could Eben do what he did? I didn't get it.

[johnvferrigno]

And as for the whole "Superheroes being real" thing... Spider-Man was doing the whole "real Superheroes" thing long before Watchmen (I mean, the dude's origin story begins with him starting out as an anti-hero). Maybe not as _well_ as they're being done now, but they were still doing it back then.


It wasn't just that the super-heroes were being "real" in Watchmen, Like you said, Spider-Man was handled somewhat realistically. It was the fact that super-heroes were realistically affecting the world around them in Watchmen. Their existence drastically altered the state of the world we live in.

[hank41]

It wasn't just that the super-heroes were being "real" in Watchmen, Like you said, Spider-Man was handled somewhat realistically. It was the fact that super-heroes were realistically affecting the world around them in Watchmen. Their existence drastically altered the state of the world we live in.

i agree with that. i think that's what people find so real about Watchmen

[gungadin]

Watchmen = Overrated murder mystery. I mean, was it really that big of a surprise who killed The Comedian? Did anyone drop out of their chairs when they found out? I seriously just got the feeling that Alan Moore was this big Agatha Christie fan (whore?) after reading Watchmen.

The murder was the McGuffin, and while it was like the central mystery, I never really found myself saying that the "who-killed-the-Comedian" mystery was the point of the book.

And what they said about superheroes is right. The people who were Minutemen and the generation after weren't Spider-man. Spider-man had powers. That's inherently different from someone like Rorschach who's not super strong or can't climb on walls. Rorschach can exist in our world. Spider-man (as far as I know) cannot.

[hank41]

Rorschach can exist in our world. Spider-man (as far as I know) cannot.

i've seen some craaaaazy stuff on the internet man

[jon_samuelson]

Okay, I've got one. I'm going to try to frame this in such a manner as to not come off like an asshole, but who knows if it'll work.

I don't much care for Mark Millar. I really feel like he's the Jerry Bruckheimer of comics, but that his reputation far exceeds that billing. From my point of view Millar basically makes action spectaculars where people blow stuff up and spew the occasional bit of "badass" dialogue, but which don't have a great deal of soul.

I guess it's not to say that I've never found any of Millar's stuff fun (I thought his early Authority stuff was good, and I'll likely give the old man Wolverine thing a shot in trade), but hell I liked The Rock too. I just don't think it's in any sense as transcendent as some people seem to find it.

[paper]

Okay, I've got one. I'm going to try to frame this in such a manner as to not come off like an asshole, but who knows if it'll work.

I don't much care for Mark Millar. I really feel like he's the Jerry Bruckheimer of comics, but that his reputation far exceeds that billing. From my point of view Millar basically makes action spectaculars where people blow stuff up and spew the occasional bit of "badass" dialogue, but which don't have a great deal of soul.

I guess it's not to say that I've never found any of Millar's stuff fun (I thought his early Authority stuff was good, and I'll likely give the old man Wolverine thing a shot in trade), but hell I liked The Rock too. I just don't think it's in any sense as transcendent as some people seem to find it.

iFanboy.com, 12:00 EST tomorrow. ;)

[gungadin]

i've seen some craaaaazy stuff on the internet man

Spider-man is not a free runner!!!

[gobo]

What about this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Robert

[hank41]

Spider-man is not a free runner!!!

he was that guy in the opening scene of Casino Royale

[gungadin]

he was that guy in the opening scene of Casino Royale

Spider-man's black?

[gungadin]

What about this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Robert

He's what I like to call a "copy-cat." He should pay Peter Parker some mad royalties.

[hank41]

Okay, I've got one. I'm going to try to frame this in such a manner as to not come off like an asshole, but who knows if it'll work.

I don't much care for Mark Millar. I really feel like he's the Jerry Bruckheimer of comics, but that his reputation far exceeds that billing. From my point of view Millar basically makes action spectaculars where people blow stuff up and spew the occasional bit of "badass" dialogue, but which don't have a great deal of soul.

I guess it's not to say that I've never found any of Millar's stuff fun (I thought his early Authority stuff was good, and I'll likely give the old man Wolverine thing a shot in trade), but hell I liked The Rock too. I just don't think it's in any sense as transcendent as some people seem to find it.

yeah, i agree to some degree. it seems that he writes for awesome moments instead of writing an great story
but damn me if im not loving Wolverine

[hank41]

What about this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Robert

that makes me weezy to look at

[hank41]

if you don't agree that this is the most awesomist cover evsies, then you my friend are UNPOPULAR

http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=28054

[gobo]

It's pretty good but definitely nowhere near the best.

It's a really great art piece but I don't think it's necessarily a great cover

[hank41]

well, i guess it's just awesome for a huge Quitely fan to see him draw B & R, especially in such an iconic pose

[bonemachine]

I really really like Mark Millar's writing. Wanted was a great escapist fantasy and The Ultimates proves that not everything he writes needs to be cramped with ultra violence. And besides Ultimate Hawkeye is one of the coolest characters ever written.

[esophagus]

Okay, I've got one. I'm going to try to frame this in such a manner as to not come off like an asshole, but who knows if it'll work.

I don't much care for Mark Millar. I really feel like he's the Jerry Bruckheimer of comics, but that his reputation far exceeds that billing. From my point of view Millar basically makes action spectaculars where people blow stuff up and spew the occasional bit of "badass" dialogue, but which don't have a great deal of soul.

I guess it's not to say that I've never found any of Millar's stuff fun (I thought his early Authority stuff was good, and I'll likely give the old man Wolverine thing a shot in trade), but hell I liked The Rock too. I just don't think it's in any sense as transcendent as some people seem to find it.I also dislike Mark Millar. He is good at making characters into assholes, and blowing things up. Feels very one-trick to me. We are unpopular, but we are not alone!

[esophagus]

if you don't agree that this is the most awesomist cover evsies, then you my friend are UNPOPULAR

http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=28054I think I would like that cover better without Robin.

[niceguyeddie]

I really really like Mark Millar's writing. Wanted was a great escapist fantasy and The Ultimates proves that not everything he writes needs to be cramped with ultra violence. And besides Ultimate Hawkeye is one of the coolest characters ever written.

I liked ultimate hawkeye up until they turned him into ultimate bullseye.

[bonemachine]

I liked ultimate hawkeye up until they turned him into ultimate bullseye.

I presume your talking about Ultimates 3? I HATE Joe Madera's art on Ultimates 3. Say what you want about Millar's writing, there's no denying that Bryan Hitch's Ultimates Art and designs were brilliant.

[hank41]

I think I would like that cover better without Robin.

when i first read this, i thought you were crazy. but since i have looked at it again, it just seems like Robin is blocking Batman. nice eye

[johnvferrigno]

I also dislike Mark Millar. He is good at making characters into assholes, and blowing things up. Feels very one-trick to me. We are unpopular, but we are not alone!

It's funnt that you refer to Mark Millar as "one trick" because I read this month's Kick-Ass, which had Hit Girl shoving a samurai sword through a guy's head. I then read Wolverine, which had Hawkeye sticking a samurai sword through a guy's head. I guess Millar REALLY likes that image.

[labor_days]

Don't forget Bullseye shoving a nightstick through a police officer's skull in Marvel 1985 last week.

http://i35.tinypic.com/2myn1w0.jpg

Badassery.

[optimus187prime]

if you don't agree that this is the most awesomist cover evsies, then you my friend are UNPOPULAR

http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=28054

That cover is dope I love how Robin is standing there like he is lord of Gotham.

[hank41]

That cover is dope I love how Robin is standing there like he is lord of Gotham.

yeah, i got that as him feeling invincible because he is with Batman. i sure as hell know i would feel that way

[racemccloud]

I don't much care for Mark Millar. I really feel like he's the Jerry Bruckheimer of comics, but that his reputation far exceeds that billing. From my point of view Millar basically makes action spectaculars where people blow stuff up and spew the occasional bit of "badass" dialogue, but which don't have a great deal of soul.

I guess it's not to say that I've never found any of Millar's stuff fun (I thought his early Authority stuff was good, and I'll likely give the old man Wolverine thing a shot in trade), but hell I liked The Rock too. I just don't think it's in any sense as transcendent as some people seem to find it.

You know, I happen to like Millar a lot, but your opinion is one I've heard a lot. I would just say that I don't find Millar "transcendent" or even terribly deep. Mostly I think he's a great "big-idea" writer, and his big ideas I usually find to be pretty fun.

[racemccloud]

That cover is dope I love how Robin is standing there like he is lord of Gotham.

Not bad. I will likely still buy the Jim Lee cover. (If there is a Jim Lee cover.)

I love this comic.

[optimus187prime]

I love this comic.
Thats unpopular isnt it. So what do you like about it, I have heard nothing but negatives? Even though I am fan of the creative team, I have avoided it due to the "word on the street".

[racemccloud]

Well, first, the art is beautiful. Jim Lee can still bring it. It's bombastic and over the top, but it is beautiful. But that's not why I love it. You get the feeling that Frank Miller, first of all, is completely in on the joke. People latched onto the "I'm the goddamn Batman!" line from the first issue and bitched about it ad nauseum on the interweb; he has used the line more and more and more to the point of absurdity since then. Like he's saying, "I'm Frank Miller and I'll do what I want!" Good for him. But that's not why I love it.

Miller seems to be writing a book that captures what many people claim love about Alan Moore's "The Killing Joke" (which happens to be a Batman story I don't like) and the current Morrison run: Batman is crazy, on some level. He is jacked-up devil-may-care crazy in this one; this is Batman running around in Sin City mode. This is not canonical, and nobody should take it as such. It is the early years of the "Dark Knight Returns" Batman. And I'll tell you what... we saw in the last issue Batman deal severely with the consequences of his guns-blazing, "I'm the goddamn Batman" attitude... and we can begin to see the start of the meticulous, responsible, vengeful-but-thorough-yet-still-badass character that we all know and love.

From a psychological standpoint, I think this may end up being the most realistic portrait of how a man goes from point A (the death of his parents) to point B (the mantle of the Dark Knight). There would be some moments of insanity in between, and those are the drunk-with-power moments Miller has given us thus far. We have seen a young man, detached from society and reality because of his station in life, who has dealt with a momentous personal tragedy by putting on a mask and turning himself into the ultimate combat machine. Realistically, this guy is going to come across as batshit insane from time to time.

This book is over-the-top, but joyously so. Don't expect middle-of-his-career stalwart of the Justice League Batman. This is the just-starting-out, "I'm invincible and I'm awesome and have an awesome car," god-complex Batman, who has just, as of issue 9, been given a serious dose of reality.

And don't even get me started on the depictions of the Justice League in this book. Completely awesome.

That's why I love this book. Even with the mind-numbing delays.

[horatio616]

That's why I love this book. Even with the mind-numbing delays.

I think you just won the "Most Unpopular Opinion on this Board" award. ;)

[racemccloud]

I'd like to thank the Academy, DC, and Frank Miller.

[bonemachine]

What exactly is it about all-star Batman that everybody hates? Is it the delays? I read the Issue with Green Lantern And Batman in yellow and the one before that and I thought they were great! Obviously the whole things supposed to be taken as a bit of fun not as the next Year One.

[conorkilpatrick]

What exactly is it about all-star Batman that everybody hates? Is it the delays? I read the Issue with Green Lantern And Batman in yellow and the one before that and I thought they were great! Obviously the whole things supposed to be taken as a bit of fun not as the next Year One.

I dropped it because of the delays. I was enjoying it before that.

[racemccloud]

I dropped it because of the delays. I was enjoying it before that.

Conor has a thing about delays, which is understandable and admirable in its own way. Delays don't bother me... but even I'll admit that the delays on All-Star Batman and Robin have been LEGEN... wait for it... DARY.

[optimus187prime]

Conor has a thing about delays, which is understandable and admirable in its own way. Delays don't bother me... but even I'll admit that the delays on All-Star Batman and Robin have been LEGEN... wait for it... DARY.

Well delays do not bother me as much as most of the titles I read are in trade. Race you certainly do sell the book well, you have got me intrigued.

[hank41]

it's a fun book so i buy it. i love seeing Jim Lee's art any chance i get. the delays do bother me.

just wanted to say those things

[racemccloud]

Well delays do not bother me as much as most of the titles I read are in trade. Race you certainly do sell the book well, you have got me intrigued.

I do have some very unpopular opinions, sir, and this is one of them. But I can't deny the fact that when this book appears upon a pull list, it almost always becomes my top "must read". That's not by choice, it just is what it is. I enjoy it that much. Let's be clear: I would not want this to be my in-continuity Batman, but for what it is, I think it's great.

[gobo]

Speaking of AS:BaR, looks like issue 10 is coming out next week... in theory

[hank41]

@ Gobo

awesome

[gungadin]

Speaking of AS:BaR, looks like issue 10 is coming out next week... in theory

I'll believe it when I see it in my hand at the comic book store. When was the last time issue nine came out?

[racemccloud]

I'll believe it when I see it in my hand at the comic book store. When was the last time issue nine came out?

I believe that was on the 12th of Forever-Ago.

[hank41]

I'll believe it when I see it in my hand at the comic book store. When was the last time issue nine came out?

true. i have to touch it to believe it

[cam-]

Oooh issue # 10 coming out?

See me shiver with antici.....

[labor_days]

Well, first, the art is beautiful. Jim Lee can still bring it. It's bombastic and over the top, but it is beautiful. But that's not why I love it. You get the feeling that Frank Miller, first of all, is completely in on the joke. People latched onto the "I'm the goddamn Batman!" line from the first issue and bitched about it ad nauseum on the interweb; he has used the line more and more and more to the point of absurdity since then. Like he's saying, "I'm Frank Miller and I'll do what I want!" Good for him. But that's not why I love it.

Miller seems to be writing a book that captures what many people claim love about Alan Moore's "The Killing Joke" (which happens to be a Batman story I don't like) and the current Morrison run: Batman is crazy, on some level. He is jacked-up devil-may-care crazy in this one; this is Batman running around in Sin City mode. This is not canonical, and nobody should take it as such. It is the early years of the "Dark Knight Returns" Batman. And I'll tell you what... we saw in the last issue Batman deal severely with the consequences of his guns-blazing, "I'm the goddamn Batman" attitude... and we can begin to see the start of the meticulous, responsible, vengeful-but-thorough-yet-still-badass character that we all know and love.

From a psychological standpoint, I think this may end up being the most realistic portrait of how a man goes from point A (the death of his parents) to point B (the mantle of the Dark Knight). There would be some moments of insanity in between, and those are the drunk-with-power moments Miller has given us thus far. We have seen a young man, detached from society and reality because of his station in life, who has dealt with a momentous personal tragedy by putting on a mask and turning himself into the ultimate combat machine. Realistically, this guy is going to come across as batshit insane from time to time.

This book is over-the-top, but joyously so. Don't expect middle-of-his-career stalwart of the Justice League Batman. This is the just-starting-out, "I'm invincible and I'm awesome and have an awesome car," god-complex Batman, who has just, as of issue 9, been given a serious dose of reality.

And don't even get me started on the depictions of the Justice League in this book. Completely awesome.

That's why I love this book. Even with the mind-numbing delays.Haha, I love it!

You make me almost want to re-read the series. Perhaps I will do so and change my mind in the process.

[jon_samuelson]

Haha, I love it!

You make me almost want to re-read the series. Perhaps I will do so and change my mind in the process.

Man, that really is a good description. I had absolutely zero desire to read this book, but now I'm honestly tempted.

[cam-]

pation.

[racemccloud]

pation.

In the immortal words of Monica from the greatest "Friends" episode ever (The One With All The Embryos)...

"That's not even a WORD!!!"

[gobo]

Sure it is, it means being hit by a patio.

[racemccloud]

Man, that really is a good description. I had absolutely zero desire to read this book, but now I'm honestly tempted.

Man, that really is a good description. I had absolutely zero desire to read this book, but now I'm honestly tempted.

Hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe issue 10 will come out and it will completely suck. Maybe the character will go throw absolutely no growth in the entire run (which at current pace will end in about 2036.) But I'll bet it reads real fun in trades thus far, and if you're able to approach it by accepting that this is NOT the mainstream DC Batman, nor does it pretend to be a reboot/reinvention of that character, you'll find yourself having fun with the book. Accepting that truth was certainly the turning point in my enjoyment of it. I pick up a new issue every three months with gleeful thought of, "What the hell is Frank Miller going to do to piss everyone of NOW?!"

(And bear in mind, I am not a huge Frank Miller guy, not by a long shot.)

Plus, Superman is SUCH a prick in this book! And Green Lantern's an idiot! An honest-to-God idiot! And something about the Wonder Woman here reminds of the way Darwyn Cooke wrote the character in "New Frontier". Don't know why.

Anyway, I'll stop piping off about my favorite unpopular opinion now. If you disregarded this book around issue #3, I think it's worth a guilty-pleasure second chance.

And imagine... Jim Lee FINALLY gets to work on a "Batman" book with a writer who actually has some talent!

("Hush" sucked. That was my point, there.)

[brandeezy]

Spider-Man is probably my favorite super-hero, but I couldn't be bothered with Peter Parker. The cool thing about Spidey, particularly in his design, is that he could be almost anybody. I used to image I was Spidey in his black costume swinging around the Chicago skyline ( I know, not NYC but a much better backdrop imho) as I rode the El' or walked in the downtown area.

Of course I knew Peter Parker was Spider-Man, but a big bulk of the Spider-Man stories I read were the "Marvel Tales Featuring Spider-Man" which teamed Spidey up with a different guest each issue and usually didn't focus on Peter Parker at all.

Pete's permanent angst just has no appeal to me.

[hank41]

i know the whole angsty thing could throw a lot of people off. but that kind of is the character. you can't have Tony Stark not be rich and totally bad ass

[racemccloud]

Spider-Man is probably my favorite super-hero, but I couldn't be bothered with Peter Parker. The cool thing about Spidey, particularly in his design, is that he could be almost anybody. I used to image I was Spidey in his black costume swinging around the Chicago skyline ( I know, not NYC but a much better backdrop imho) as I rode the El' or walked in the downtown area.

Of course I knew Peter Parker was Spider-Man, but a big bulk of the Spider-Man stories I read were the "Marvel Tales Featuring Spider-Man" which teamed Spidey up with a different guest each issue and usually didn't focus on Peter Parker at all.

Pete's permanent angst just has no appeal to me.

Yeah, the Parker-angst stuff is really tricky to write. It IS a big part of the character, but in the wrong hands it just comes off as whiny. Stan Lee and Bendis, the current bookends of Spidey writers, probably did it best, with Micheline, Larsen, and Dan Slott getting honorable mentions. I mean, yeah, I get the whole "Parker luck" thing, but sometimes, when it's laid on too thick, it get annoying (just like anything else.)

Oh, and man, I love Chicago. What a great city. A better backdrop/skyline than NYC? I am sorry, my friend, but I don't think so. THAT is your ACTUAL "unpopular opinion!" ;)

[brandeezy]

Like I said I reading more of the 90's "Marvel Tales" team-ups than the proper Spidey books. I identify more with Spidey swinging around upside-down thru the city and teaming up and cracking-wise with the New Mutants or Cloak & Dagger.I'm not saying I hate Peter Parker but I definitily enjoy his drama a lot less.

[esophagus]

My latest unpopular opinion: The general look of both Torchwood and Doctor Who has kept me from getting into them. Something looks... Off to me.

[steve-m-]

My unpop-op #1 is that Kirkman is that I think Kirkman is not a good writer in the least. I mean, way before he decided to save cmics, I thought his contributions to the marvel world were *meh* at best. I know he has a big following, but he doesn't do it for me at all.

Unpop-o #2 is that Ultimate X-men is the worst comic Marvel is putting out. It is just a bad rewind of the best stories from the past, and not well done at all. Kirkman's stories have been particularly awful.

[optimus187prime]

My unpop-op #1 is that Kirkman is that I think Kirkman is not a good writer in the least. I mean, way before he decided to save cmics, I thought his contributions to the marvel world were *meh* at best. I know he has a big following, but he doesn't do it for me at all.

Unpop-o #2 is that Ultimate X-men is the worst comic Marvel is putting out. It is just a bad rewind of the best stories from the past, and not well done at all. Kirkman's stories have been particularly awful.

Most people would agree with you about Kirkmans contributions to the MU but his creator owned work is off the charts good. Personally I like, not love, UXM, I never read a lot of the classic X men stories, and I dont particularly like older comics so my alternate is UXM. I know how the continuity goes but I just dont have an urge to read it, UXM is a fun twist on the stories of old.

[steve-m-]

#3: Can't stand jack Kirby's art. I know he is the king and all, and know this is a radically unpopular opinion, but really find it just bulky, blocky, and not appealling to me at all.

[gobo]

My latest unpopular opinion: The general look of both Torchwood and Doctor Who has kept me from getting into them. Something looks... Off to me.
Low budget and british?

The stories really overcome any cheesy effects

[gobo]

#3: Can't stand jack Kirby's art. I know he is the king and all, and know this is a radically unpopular opinion, but really find it just bulky, blocky, and not appealling to me at all.

This isn't unpopular, this is wrong. His anatomy, his storytelling, his dynamic movement, his amazing backgrounds, he radically changed how comics looked and felt. Sure things aren't as "pretty" as some new people but his craft is pretty much unparalleled

[steve-m-]

Like I said, I know it is unpopular. It is my opinion, though, that his art is just not that good. If he were a new artist on the scene today, I doubt he could do anything but self-publish.

[paper]

There wouldn't be a scene today if he hadn't laid down some track. So much of today's art and iconography is an evolution of what came before it. His impact is significant. Pivotal.

[gobo]

Like I said, I know it is unpopular. It is my opinion, though, that his art is just not that good. If he were a new artist on the scene today, I doubt he could do anything but self-publish.

Using the same paper, same inks and same schedule he had back in those days I'd agree. If he had all the tools and the freedom to only do one book a month I can't even IMAGINE what kind of things Kirby could do today.

[esophagus]

Low budget and british?

The stories really overcome any cheesy effectsThey might, but I am unwilling to find out.

Ugly.

[gobo]

You make me sad

[hank41]

i was thinking of mentioning this here. kind of unpopular i guess.

Girls is one of my favorite comics ever.

just sayin

[horatio616]

i was thinking of mentioning this here. kind of unpopular i guess.

Girls is one of my favorite comics ever.

just sayin

I LOVE Girls!

An odd sentence, but I'll just leave it.

[hank41]

I LOVE Girls!

An odd sentence, but I'll just leave it.

it is hard to make a sentence with that particular book title in it and not have it sound weird

[hank41]

@ Horatio

have you read The Sword. i'm waiting for a couple of trades to come out before i get them because i ate the Girls trades up so fast and im scared the same thing will happen with The Sword. I want there to be more stuff to get in case i get infected...you know?

[horatio616]

@ Horatio

have you read The Sword. i'm waiting for a couple of trades to come out before i get them because i ate the Girls trades up so fast and im scared the same thing will happen with The Sword. I want there to be more stuff to get in case i get infected...you know?

Yes, I love it. I think I like Girls better because of the ensemble cast but Sword is great if you like Luna Brothers stuff. I bought the first trade of Girls, read it in one sitting, then immediately went and got the next two, then had to suffer through the wait for the fourth. I can relate.

[kahunablair]

I'm a big fan of the Luna brothers. I just wasn't sure about The Girls. It was ok but really, really dragged on.

I know one thing, I don't think I've ever had a more visceral hatred towards one character in comics then I did with the one woman with the red hair. I seriously was praying that she would get taken out in every issue.

[racemccloud]

Unpop-o #2 is that Ultimate X-men is the worst comic Marvel is putting out. It is just a bad rewind of the best stories from the past, and not well done at all. Kirkman's stories have been particularly awful.

I actually like the "Ultimate" concept, but it has probably run its course, and the whole line needs a shake-up. "Ultimate X-Men" has, for me, always been pretty weak, though, and nowhere near the same level as "USM" or Vol. 1 and 2 of "Ultimates". Even the best "UFF" stories have been generally stronger than "UXM".

[optimus187prime]

I actually like the "Ultimate" concept, but it has probably run its course, and the whole line needs a shake-up.

Ultimatum is on the way, and Ultimate Origins is picking up as of issue #4.

[racemccloud]

Ultimatum is on the way, and Ultimate Origins is picking up as of issue #4.

Oh, I know, and it's about damn time. Now if we could only retcon Jeph Loeb out of The Ultimates...

[bonemachine]

Ultimatum is on the way, and Ultimate Origins is picking up as of issue #4.

What's This Ultimatum event that I keep hearing about?

[optimus187prime]

Oh, I know, and it's about damn time. Now if we could only retcon Jeph Loeb out of The Ultimates...

Geoff Johns could handle that.

[racemccloud]

What's This Ultimatum event that I keep hearing about?

Some major Ultimate U. event that's supposed to shake up the status quo in the Ultimate Universe. It's very funny, because this was supposed to be the "continuity-proof" universe that, only 8 years later, already needs cleaning up.

Here's my semi-unpopular opinion: they should just cancel every "ultimate" title except for "Ultimate Spider-Man", which is still the gold standard of Spider-Man storytelling... NO MATTER WHAT LABOR THINKS!! :D

[cam-]

I thought that both Ultimate X-men and Ultimate FF were being cancelled, so what does that leave? Just Spidey and the quarterly Ulimates.

[optimus187prime]

Some major Ultimate U. event that's supposed to shake up the status quo in the Ultimate Universe. It's very funny, because this was supposed to be the "continuity-proof" universe that, only 8 years later, already needs cleaning up.

Here's my semi-unpopular opinion: they should just cancel every "ultimate" title except for "Ultimate Spider-Man", which is still the gold standard of Spider-Man storytelling... NO MATTER WHAT LABOR THINKS!! :D

I personally like USM, UXM, UFF, and the first two HCs of the Ultimates. I just wish they would not let Loeb do a crossover.

[bonemachine]

Some major Ultimate U. event that's supposed to shake up the status quo in the Ultimate Universe. It's very funny, because this was supposed to be the "continuity-proof" universe that, only 8 years later, already needs cleaning up.

Here's my semi-unpopular opinion: they should just cancel every "ultimate" title except for "Ultimate Spider-Man", which is still the gold standard of Spider-Man storytelling... NO MATTER WHAT LABOR THINKS!! :D

If they could just get someone to fix The Ultimates I'd be cool with it. Haven't read Loeb's run but everybody says it's terrible! Whatever Marvel does Get Hitch back on the book! The delays were supposed to be horrendious but the art almost made it worth it!(being in Ireland I read it in trades anyway) And Joe Maduara's Hawkeye alone is reason to get him kicked off the book! Don't know much about F4 or X-Men but if they could get Ultimates back on track it'd be awesome!

[hank41]

I know one thing, I don't think I've ever had a more visceral hatred towards one character in comics then I did with the one woman with the red hair. I seriously was praying that she would get taken out in every issue.

OMG! same exact reaction! i wanted her to get mauled by something... anything, but that's just great writing in my opinion...

[brandeezy]

I like the Green Lantern Corp.....as a concept. I think it's cool to have aliens all over the universe with nigh-omnipotent rings fighting evil aliens. I just don't care for any of the Earth Green Lanterns. I don't get what makes Hal Jordan so special, especially since the GLC is DESIGNED to replace members who have fallen- that is how he got his ring. And really, if he were that awesome they probably wouldn't have replaced him.

[brandeezy]

I love the X-Men, but I can't stand any of the original X-Men, except maybe Beast.

Scott and Jean- really what a bland relationship between two bland characters. Other than Jean was the only girl and Scott was team leader, why did they like each other. It's like there whole relationship is the equivalent of the football QB going out with the head cheer leader- no depth what so ever. I'll never like Scott after he abandoned his wife Maddie and baby Nathan. The 80's Female Power Boost is the only thing that made Jean interesting and now she's forever trapped in the shadow of the Phoenix.

Angel- he's rich and he has wings. That is the extent of all you need to know about him. Oh yeah he was on a sub-par Avengers-lite team with...

Iceman- continues to be the X-Baby, even after newer teammates. We get it you're very potentially powerful but very immature.

Even the Beast only became interesting after he left the X-Men. There is nothing interesting about having really big hands and feet.

[deadspace]

My unpop-op #1 is that Kirkman is that I think Kirkman is not a good writer in the least. I mean, way before he decided to save cmics, I thought his contributions to the marvel world were *meh* at best. I know he has a big following, but he doesn't do it for me at all.


omg! OMG!

I thought I was the only one!

I genuinely don't feel Kirkman is a good writer at all but this is solely based on The Walking Dead. I've actually cringed with some parts of his writing because I thought it was so bad. I don't get the Kirkman worship at all. Not one bit. I feel his writing is like he thinks he's writing to simpletons and blatantly tells you stuff instead of subtley showing it through the story or even letting things be told through the art. The torturing of the guard guy or whoever he was, can't remember his name, was gratuitous violence and possibly the easiest thing a writer could've done. The woman was raped and beaten and Kirkman thought a good response was for her to go and scrape the dude's eyeballs out with a spoon as revenge. I am dumber for having read that.

[conorkilpatrick]

omg! OMG!

I thought I was the only one!

I genuinely don't feel Kirkman is a good writer at all but this is solely based on The Walking Dead. I've actually cringed with some parts of his writing because I thought it was so bad. I don't get the Kirkman worship at all. Not one bit. I feel his writing is like he thinks he's writing to simpletons and blatantly tells you stuff instead of subtley showing it through the story or even letting things be told through the art. The torturing of the guard guy or whoever he was, can't remember his name, was gratuitous violence and possibly the easiest thing a writer could've done. The woman was raped and beaten and Kirkman thought a good response was for her to go and scrape the dude's eyeballs out with a spoon as revenge. I am dumber for having read that.

Keep in mind that Steve M. was specifically referring to Kirkman's Marvel work, which is very average when compared to his exemplary work in Invincible and The Walking Dead.

[deadspace]

Keep in mind that Steve M. was specifically referring to Kirkman's Marvel work, which is very average when compared to his exemplary work in Invincible and The Walking Dead.

or he was just using the Marvel work as an example of Kirkman's level of meh-ness? there is hope I am not alone here. let me hold on to it for a little while.

[thenextchampion]

Oh Bonespace, we dont know each other but this thread is so me....Me Me Me....I'm gonna love this thread....

Where do we begin here?

-Trinity is the most overhyped, medicore series in DC. Poor storylines, Busiek is what he is a medicore writer, and art that is just not suited for this series.
-All X-Men series (sans Wolverine right now) are either medicore or just plain terrible. X-Factor and X-Force is the biggest waste of paper in the history of mankind. Uncanny has been medicore since Brubaker joined it, GET OVER IT PEOPLE IT ISNT GOOD!
-(The topic which got me in trouble with this site) Powers is so damn overrated. Not saying it's terrible, but it is not Bendis' best work ever. Not even close. The art might be good but the stories are long winded and gets old waaay to soon. Go read stuff like Jinx, Torso, or his other indie works cause they are miles above what Powers is.
-Dan Dido and Joey Q are good editors, they arent the worst people out there. But maybe it is time for a change.
-Finally....I just dont see what the big deal is with Image comics. Most people associate the company with Spawn and the only person keeping that company alive is Robert Kirkman. Walking Dead is the only thing worth reading for the publisher (Okay that's a lie, I'm reading Invincible in trades and that's soild too....But still proves my point Kirkman is the only person holding the fort down there)

[deadspace]

-(The topic which got me in trouble with this site) Powers is so damn overrated. Not saying it's terrible, but it is not Bendis' best work ever. Not even close. The art might be good but the stories are long winded and gets old waaay to soon. Go read stuff like Jinx, Torso, or his other indie works cause they are miles above what Powers is.

I've had a bit of trouble getting into Powers just because it's so text heavy. It's unnecessary. But I still like it.


-Finally....I just dont see what the big deal is with Image comics. Most people associate the company with Spawn and the only person keeping that company alive is Robert Kirkman. Walking Dead is the only thing worth reading for the publisher (Okay that's a lie, I'm reading Invincible in trades and that's soild too....But still proves my point Kirkman is the only person holding the fort down there)

Sorry but... What a load of crap. I Kill Giants, War Heroes, Golly, Guerillas, Dead Space, Proof are titles I've read and really liked. I've also heard good stuff about Godland, The Sword, Dynamo 5, Pax Romana, The Roberts (my copy is on its way, it was delayed in the UK), Mice Templar, The Perhapanauts, Firebreather...

They're consistently publishing work that otherwise mightn't get out there sometimes by quite small writers and artists. I dunno how 'big' Joe Kelly is but he's a guy I'm keeping a really close eye on.

The thing that's keeping Image alive is the number of writers going to them with excellent creator-owned work/ideas.

[racemccloud]

-Trinity is the most overhyped, medicore series in DC. Poor storylines, Busiek is what he is a medicore writer, and art that is just not suited for this series.

"Trinity" is one of my favorite DC series right now. I dropped "Final Crisis" after one issue.

-All X-Men series (sans Wolverine right now) are either medicore or just plain terrible. X-Factor and X-Force is the biggest waste of paper in the history of mankind. Uncanny has been medicore since Brubaker joined it, GET OVER IT PEOPLE IT ISNT GOOD!

I dropped "Uncanny", not so much because I didn't like it but because I prefer "Astonishing" and was looking to cut back books. I LOVE "X-Factor" right now, mostly because of the re-teaming of Peter David and Larry Stroman (and the inclusion of Longshot and Darwin into the fray.)

-(The topic which got me in trouble with this site) Powers is so damn overrated. Not saying it's terrible, but it is not Bendis' best work ever. Not even close. The art might be good but the stories are long winded and gets old waaay to soon. Go read stuff like Jinx, Torso, or his other indie works cause they are miles above what Powers is.

I greatly prefer his Marvel work and stuff like "Fortune and Glory" to "Powers". I'm probably skipping today's "Powers".

-Dan Dido and Joey Q are good editors, they arent the worst people out there. But maybe it is time for a change.

Yes they are. Both companies are going strong right now, largely in part to their editorial decisions. No, it is not time for a change. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[bonemachine]

Am I the only one who finds Arkham Asylum: A Serious Place, just mediocre? The Symbolism is incredibly heavy-handed, and although Dave McKeans art looks nice his storytelling's awful. It's very hard to look at his pages and get all the information you need.
I will admit though that it has the most horrific Joker I've ever seen.

[hank41]

Yes they are. Both companies are going strong right now, largely in part to their editorial decisions. No, it is not time for a change. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

agreed. they have got to be two of the best E-I-C in history, and maybe it's because they feed off of each other.

[esophagus]

Am I the only one who finds Arkham Asylum: A Serious Place, just mediocre? The Symbolism is incredibly heavy-handed, and although Dave McKeans art looks nice his storytelling's awful. It's very hard to look at his pages and get all the information you need.
I will admit though that it has the most horrific Joker I've ever seen.
Yes. Yes, you are. ;)

It is possibly my favorite Batman comic. Probably in my top 5 DC comics.

[bonemachine]

Yes. Yes, you are. ;)

It is possibly my favorite Batman comic. Probably in my top 5 DC comics.

Educate me on why it is then.

[esophagus]

Educate me on why it is then.
The art was amazing, and the representation of each villain was fantastic. They were out there, over done, and still excellent. They took me into the minds of each villain. Gave me some reasoning. If you aren't knowledge or a big fan of the Batman Rogues Gallery, I can see how this book would be little more than nice artwork, but I am a big fan, so I loved it.

[bonemachine]

The art was amazing, and the representation of each villain was fantastic. They were out there, over done, and still excellent. They took me into the minds of each villain. Gave me some reasoning. If you aren't knowledge or a big fan of the Batman Rogues Gallery, I can see how this book would be little more than nice artwork, but I am a big fan, so I loved it.

Well for starters I didn't even now that Diseased figure in the hall was Clayface until I read the Script which SAYS it's Clayface. If anything most of the villians are breifly (sic) touched upon, and Batman stabbing himself with a peice of glass to banish the memories of his dead parents? Come-on!
That said there were lots of good things about this book. Like I said before The Joker is spectacularly horrific in this and for once The Mad Hatter didn't come off as a complete idiot. The Killer Croc Fight was beautifully drawn and Batman was cool and brooding. I just didn't think it was as incredible as people say.

[esophagus]

Fair enough. Different strokes and whatnot.

I agree the Batman thing was a bit out there. Like I said earlier, the book was really overdone. Most times that worked (Two-Face using a deck of cards instead of dice) and sometimes it fell a bit flat (Batman stabbing himself).

[paper]

Arkham Asylum is my favorite Batman book. I even lent it out to my therapist.

[deadspace]

Am I the only one who finds Arkham Asylum: A Serious Place, just mediocre?

I read it just the other day and felt the same.

[slappy-san]

"Universal Soldier" is JCV's best movie. Yes....better than "Bloodsport".

[slappy-san]

No. I gave it a few episodes, but it just didn't hook me.

It was shown out of order.

[optimus187prime]

"Universal Soldier" is a JCV's best movie. Yes....better than "Bloodsport".

False. Bloodsport, Kickboxer, Breakin 2: Electric Boogaloo, all better than Universal Soldier.

[racemccloud]

"Universal Soldier" is JCV's best movie. Yes....better than "Bloodsport".

I'd like to cast a vote for "Street Fighter".

...

Okay, I can't even pretend. That movie is terrible.

[hank41]

I'd like to cast a vote for "Street Fighter".

...

Okay, I can't even pretend. That movie is terrible.

word.

but really, are we arguing over the best Van Damme movie? isn't this like the tallest midget thing???

[jon_samuelson]

"Universal Soldier" is JCV's best movie. Yes....better than "Bloodsport".

Lunacy. Bloodsport is by far the best.

[racemccloud]

word.

but really, are we arguing over the best Van Damme movie? isn't this like the tallest midget thing???

I would think so, but hey, to each their own.

[esophagus]

A wikipedia search tells me I've never seen a JCVD movie. This amazes me.

[racemccloud]

A wikipedia search tells me I've never seen a JCVD movie. This amazes me.

Well, I've seen "Street Fighter". That's it. Which I guess makes it the best JCVD movie ever, in my eyes.

[enfuego]

Frosted Mini-Wheats is the best breakfast cereal on the market when taking into consideration nutritional value, taste, and its amazing ability to satisfy hunger each and every time.

[optimus187prime]

A wikipedia search tells me I've never seen a JCVD movie. This amazes me.

Not even Breakin 2: Electric Boogaloo, wow get on that.

[gobo]

IMDB says JCVD was only in Breakin, not Breakin 2: Electric Boogaloo

[optimus187prime]

IMDB says JCVD was only in Breakin, not Breakin 2: Electric Boogaloo

My bad, knew he was in one of those horrible films.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POXoJyNcLiI

[hank41]

you just got my day off to a great start

[optimus187prime]

you just got my day off to a great start

My pleasure. :)

[timmywood-]

I like high school comedies from the nineties. That's including She's All That!!!!!!

[racemccloud]

I like high school comedies from the nineties. That's including She's All That!!!!!!

"She's All That" is good, but "Can't Hardly Wait" is AWESOME!

[racemccloud]

Yeah, I love the idea of this thread.

I give it a week.

Ironically enough, it seems the "Unpopular Opinion" thread has become very popular.

[esophagus]

I like high school comedies from the nineties. That's including She's All That!!!!!!Encino Man, Empire Records, Jawbreaker, She's All That, 10 Things I Hate About You, Can't Hardly Wait, Don't Tell Mom the Babysitters Dead, Clueless, Blast from the Past. Good times.

[optimus187prime]

Encino Man, Empire Records, Jawbreaker, She's All That, 10 Things I Hate About You, Can't Hardly Wait, Don't Tell Mom the Babysitters Dead, Clueless, Blast from the Past. Good times.

Blast from the past is the only one I disagree with.

[esophagus]

Blast from the past is the only one I disagree with.I probably haven't seen that one since not long after 1999. So you could very well be right.

Most of the rest I still watch. Except She's All That.

[gobo]

Clueless holds up especially well.

[racemccloud]

Clueless holds up especially well.

I just caught "Clueless" on cable. It is still excellent. It made me realize I should own the DVD.

[gobo]

There's also an amazing number of people in it fairly early on in their careers

[racemccloud]

There's also an amazing number of people in it fairly early on in their careers

To me, Paul Rudd really is what separates that movie from the rest of the pack of teen flicks.

Of course, Alicia Silverstone in the role she was born to play (sorry, Batgirl fans!) doesn't hurt.

[hank41]

To me, Paul Rudd really is what separates that movie from the rest of the pack of teen flicks.

Of course, Alicia Silverstone in the role she was born to play (sorry, Batgirl fans!) doesn't hurt.

word.

[esophagus]

The Clueless television show? Not so good.

[optimus187prime]

The Clueless television show? Not so good.

That was dreadful.

[hank41]

woah. there was a Clueless tv show?

[optimus187prime]

woah. there was a Clueless tv show?

Yes and it is that forgetable.

[timmywood-]

She's All That + Ten things I Hate About You + Can't Hardly Wait = The Holy Trinity of 90's High School Comedies.

Despite their flaws there are some funny comedic in actors in all those films.


Also has anyone seen the 80's teen sex comedy The Last American Virgin. Great movie with a somewhat depressing ending but awesome still the same.

[racemccloud]

The Clueless television show? Not so good.

Why don't we just pretend that never happened? Like "Secret Wars 2".