Your Unpopular Opinion!!!

[bonemachine]

Do you love a writer or artist the rest of the world has disowned? Do you hate a comic most people term as a modern classic?
This forum is for people to vent their unpopular opinion!

NOTE: But if you are saying somethings overrated give a reason because any idiot can say something is overrated and it´s lazy!

[optimus187prime]

Watchmen.

I dont know why I have given this book too many chances but it never hooks me.

[kwok_talk]

Watchmen.

I dont know why I have given this book too many chances but it never hooks me.

Ditto.

But you can extend it for me and say I don't find Alan Moore's work interesting.

(I'll start packing my things now.)

[Ryan79]

I'll make it three in a row for the anti-Watchmen brigade. I didn't read the books until maybe a year ago. Up until then, I had read so many other "superheroes in real life" stories that it didn't resonate with me.

(Hey Kwok, I just subscribed to your podcast. Great stuff! Keep it up.)

[georgexjr]

make that four.

[comhcinc]

never have been a big fan of grant morrison's stuff. it seems to me like he uses over the top violence a litte too often.

[Labor_Days]

....Up until then, I had read so many other "superheroes in real life" stories that it didn't resonate with me.

What the fuck.

never have been a big fan of Grant Morrison's stuff. it seems to me like he uses over the top violence a litte too often.

What the fuck.

[CAM!]

This thread is clearly about confessing to the world insanity.

[kwok_talk]

I'll make it three in a row for the anti-Watchmen brigade. I didn't read the books until maybe a year ago. Up until then, I had read so many other "superheroes in real life" stories that it didn't resonate with me.

(Hey Kwok, I just subscribed to your podcast. Great stuff! Keep it up.)
Thanks for giving it a shot!

As for elaborating on why I don't like Moore's work...I don't really feel like I have any intelectual arguments at hand as to why I don't. I've read Watchmen, Top 10, Wildcats, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and Killing Joke and aside from the latter, I never really enjoyed my time reading them. I know that's a real subjective answer. I don't have intentions of making it a "he's overrated" argument. I just personally don't enjoy his work.

[Labor_Days]

"Superheroes In Real Life".

Seriously, what the fuck.

[comhcinc]

What the fuck.



What the fuck.
that is my response when people tell me they don't like us agent.

[Ryan79]

"Superheroes In Real Life".

Seriously, what the fuck.

Well? Isn't that the crux of the book? How would life be if superheroes existed? What if they were real people, like you and me? What if they were...*gasp*...fallible? I just didn't dig it. The book was one long bummer and that's not what I read comics for.

[Labor_Days]

Well? Isn't that the crux of the book? How would life be if superheroes existed? What if they were real people, like you and me? What if they were...*gasp*...fallible? I just didn't dig it. The book was one long bummer and that's not what I read comics for.

That is not the point or crux of Watchmen in the least.

I don't care rather anyone enjoys the book or not. Doesn't effect me personally and I don't care for sacred cows. Bash away, by all means.

It would seem, based on your comment, you did not understand what you read.

[Ryan79]

That is not the point or crux of Watchmen in the least.

I don't care rather anyone enjoys the book or not. Doesn't effect me personally and I don't care for sacred cows. Bash away, by all means.

It would seem, based on your comment, you did not understand what you read.

I'm not trying to bash anything. I'm voicing my unpopular opinion like the title of the thread says. Saying I don't like the book doesn't equal bashing it. And since I obviously didn't understand what the book was about, feel free to enlighten me.

[comhcinc]

That is not the point or crux of Watchmen in the least.

I don't care rather anyone enjoys the book or not. Doesn't effect me personally and I don't care for sacred cows. Bash away, by all means.

It would seem, based on your comment, you did not understand what you read.
i like watchmen, in fact i love it, and that was what i took from the book. i thought that was the whole point of it too.

[ConorKilpatrick]

Yeah, I love the idea of this thread.

I give it a week.

[Ryan79]

Yeah, I love the idea of this thread.

I give it a week.

You, sir, are an optimist.

[Labor_Days]

I'm not trying to bash anything. I'm voicing my unpopular opinion like the title of the thread says. Saying I don't like the book doesn't equal bashing it. And since I obviously didn't understand what the book was about, feel free to enlighten me.

Didn't say you bashed the book. Re-read my post. I was pointing out not being upset by negative opinions of a work. I specifically said "anyone" rather than "you" and further said, I don't believe in sacred cows.

I was vexed by your assumption that the point of Watchmen is superheroes in the real world. What Moore did was treat the Superhero as a complex character rather than a caricature. Which nobody did seriously or with as much skill up till then or since.

Superheroes of the referenced era were defined in personality by their costume/ gimmick. The genius of Moore is in the inversion of that- Watchmen's characters are extremely gimmicky and would be defined as such if written in the 40s. So basically Moore took characters that would be defined by their gimmicky concepts and wrote them straight faced.

This is not the same as having superheroes in the real world such as in Nite Owl going to the supermarket and lolz ensue. No.

Watchmen is not even much a rumination on what it would be like to be a superhero in the real world. With the exception of Dr. Manhattan, the heroes don't have powers that transcend or separate them from the bounds of humanity. The characters are more akin to forgotten war veterans.

At the surface level, Watchmen is a morality play of the greater good vis-a-vis what one believes to be the right & true thing. Truth, or the perception of what we think is true-- being very important here. At the the deeper level, it is about humanity's need to invent a mythology/fiction for itself. The people of the Watchmen world read Pirate comics because that is their myth making in a world where Dr. Manhattan actually exist.

There is also a lot said of the nature of the Comic Book and the way comics are read, understood and why that is so. There is a historical element to it all that is dependent on your awareness on the medium you are reading; as in the format, the page, the ink, the process of sequential storytelling.

Watchmen is the epitome of the comic book because it can only be a comic book. It can not be presented in any other medium whatsoever other than in the comic book medium. Watchmen is about comic books.

[paper]

Kingdom Come = Not so awesome.

Dick Grayson = Not so awesome.

Boy Meets World should be adapted into a comic book.

[comhcinc]

Watchmen is the epitome of the comic book because it can only be a comic book. It can not be presented in any other medium whatsoever other than in the comic book medium. Watchmen is about comic books.

so are you going to watch the movie?

[Labor_Days]

so are you going to watch the movie?

Nah, I don't respect Zach Snyder as a director.

[ConorKilpatrick]

Kingdom Come = Not so awesome.

Dick Grayson = Not so awesome.

Man, your iFanboy personnel file is getting THICK.

[comhcinc]

Nah, I don't respect Zach Snyder as a director.
i just keep gain respect for you my friend.

[paper]

Man, your iFanboy personnel file is getting THICK.

It's the same things all the time though! That's not new!

[cenquist]

A series I enjoy and have since the begining that alot of people won't even try is Spider-Girl/Amazing Spider-Girl. The series is just a fun read and it knows it is hokey at times and makes fun of itself.

[horatio616]

I like X3. Quite a bit, actually.

[ConorKilpatrick]

It's the same things all the time though! That's not new!

We document every instance. Lisa in HR has a whole file cabinet marked "Montgomery, Paul - Kingdom Come".

[JohnVFerrigno]

I don't really like Grant Morrison, either. I just don't get the big deal. And I've never read a lot of his stuff, but i don't really care for Warren Ellis, either. I thought his Iron man arc was excellent, but other than not, never really liked anything I read of his.

And I thought X3 was ok. It was a dumb summer action movie, which is what I wanted, really.

And I also think Batman's Rogues gallary is over-rated. The Flash's Rogues would kick the crap out of them. Gorilla Grodd alone could decimate half of Arkham's inmates.

Oh yeah, and The Mandrill should be an A-List villain.

and The Fabulous Frog-Man should have a monthly book. Written by me.

All of these statements are 100% serious. =-)

[georgexjr]

I like X3. Quite a bit, actually.

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhooooollllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy SHIT!

stick to final crisis, bro!

(just kiddin, ease up)

[georgexjr]

ive never been a fan of garth ennis.

[horatio616]

I feel so much closer to you guys, sharing like this. It reminds me of this really touching film I watched not long ago about this guy in prison who would meet with this group where all the prisoners would sit in a circle and talk about their problems. Ah, can't remember the name of it! Anyway, day after day he would pass when it was his turn to talk but no one put pressure on or became angry with him. After several meetings he finally started to open up. Ah man I wish I could remember what it was called because it's really an excellent and emotionally charged film. Very well acted and heart-wrenching. Shit, what was it? Oh yeah! I remember now! Hancock.

[optimus187prime]

ive never been a fan of garth ennis.

Ouch, my favorite writer.

[georgexjr]

hmph. your one of the few people who i listen to when it comes to recomendations. its seem like he gets gross/extreme just to shock?
whats his best work. ill pick it up tomorrow when i got pick up my books from wednesday.

[horatio616]

hmph. your one of the few people who i listen to when it comes to recomendations. its seem like he gets gross/extreme just to shock?
whats his best work. ill pick it up tomorrow when i got pick up my books from wednesday.

Well of course Preacher.

I love any of his War Stuff like Phantom Eagle and Unknown Soldier. Also, there's this History-of-Violence-esque mini he wrote several years ago that I loved called Pride and Joy.

[Six Gun]

War Stories is the best thing Ennis ever wrote. It's also the best thing Vertigo has ever published.

[georgexjr]

preacher - not a western guy. does it transcend?

[ConorKilpatrick]

preacher - not a western guy. does it transcend?

:eek::eek::eek:

iFanboy looks at Preacher (http://revision3.com/ifanboy/custer/).

[horatio616]

preacher - not a western guy. does it transcend?

Transcend? More like tramples, and then pees on...

[georgexjr]

Transcend? More like tramples, and then pees on...

ha!

im on it. i'll report back.

[Zombox]

Which unpopular opinion? :D

That Geoff Johns sucks and I've never enjoyed a single book he's written?
That I hate Transmetropolitan?
That I find most of DC's universe boring as hell? (This may relate to the fact that Johns writes about half of it)

I mean, I'm full of them... seriously. Perhaps I revel in the role of iconoclast a bit too much.

[horatio616]

ha!

im on it. i'll report back.

This is what Preacher does: it takes all these things that people hold sacred and debases them, and just when you've picked your jaw up off the floor, he debases them some more.

HOWEVER...

the main characters are infused with such heart and wit, and their relationships ring so true, that you can't help but love this book.

[horatio616]

ha!

im on it. i'll report back.

Watch the iFanboy video on it, as Conor said.

[georgexjr]

i will before i purchase.

is there a hc?

[ConorKilpatrick]

i will before i purchase.

is there a hc?

I assume that means hardcover? No, there are nine softcover volumes, though.

[aerodynamics]

I feel as though I'm missing something regarding the appeal of 'Captain Britain and MI 13'. That is to say, I enjoy the characters and the setting, but Cornell's dialouge and the general character of his writing is baffling to me. The pacing and characterization feels off somehow.

Regarding Watchmen ... I enjoyed it quite a bit, but I had problems with Moore's prose writing, which I found to be clunky and dull, and with the ending, which struck me as morally reprehensible.

Honestly, I'm uncertain whether Moore intended Ozymandias's actions to be seen as defensible or not; I'm not impressed by the 'Gordian knot' concept-not all lateral thinking is good thinking and *spoiler* inciting world-wide terror as an antidote to war strikes me as a really awful idea, something like dowsing a fire with gasoline.

Whew. Feels good to get that all off the chest! :)

[JasonTodd]

I think I have a few unpopular opinions as well:

The X-men franchise hasn't been any good since Uncanny X-men #200 (with the exception of Morrison's run). Everything since then has fed off of the momentum of the initial Giant Size #1-#200 momentum.

[JasonTodd]

Which unpopular opinion? :D

That Geoff Johns sucks and I've never enjoyed a single book he's written?
That I find most of DC's universe boring as hell? (This may relate to the fact that Johns writes about half of it)

@Zombox

Why is Johns so horrible?
Why is DC boring?

[Humphrey Lee]

I assume that means hardcover? No, there are nine softcover volumes, though.

HCs are supposedly coming next year though. No word on if they're the deluxe kind, or Absoluted.

[deadspace]

I am going to use this thread to write something positive...

I absolutely LOVE Ben Templesmith's work. His art was even what got me into Dead Space. And there's something else that doesn't get enough love: Dead Space (not me, the comic). It's written (extremely well!) by Antony Johnston (Wasteland). But back to Ben: he is currently doing his own series (writing & art) called Welcome To Hoxford and it's of the dark/horror genre. First issue was just out this week so I don't know much else about it. He also does the art for Fell and did some 30 Days of Night comics.

That's not unpopular in that the entire world disagrees with me. It's unpopular as in... not not enough people are picking up the comics. Ben, Dead Space and Welcome To Hoxford need more love.

[optimus187prime]

hmph. your one of the few people who i listen to when it comes to recomendations. its seem like he gets gross/extreme just to shock?
whats his best work. ill pick it up tomorrow when i got pick up my books from wednesday.

Yeah like everyone said, Preacher. If you want something more dark and realistic, I wholeheartedly recommend the Punisher Max series. Also like Six said, War Stories is a great series.

While I can definitely see why the extreme gore would turn some people off, it only bothers me when the story doesnt call for it. Even though Ennis is my fav writer it still doesnt mean I love everything he has written.

[horatio616]

"Superheroes In Real Life".

Seriously, what the fuck.

I'm going to jump to Ryan's defense here. The elevator pitch for Watchmen is: what if you took Silver Age superheroes in a post-WW2 America and examined how they would really affect the world around them? Yes, ultimately, it's more than that, but saying Watchmen is, in essence, "superheroes in real life" is not an inaccurate statement.

[kahunablair]

This is an awesome thread idea. We just can't turn it into a bash-fest of each other's ideas though. It's about feelings and opinions people.

Let's all hold hands and sing Kum Ba Yah!

Now that that's out of the way.....

[kahunablair]

I love Ramos' art.
I love Bacchalo's art.
I don't like Morrison being left to do a Mainstream DC Crossover. He should be allowed to do more SSoV, but not a huge crossover. You don't ask Cronenberg to make a Summer Blockbuster. There is a time and a place for everything.

ive never been a fan of garth ennis.
hmph. your one of the few people who i listen to when it comes to recomendations. its seem like he gets gross/extreme just to shock?
I am right there with you, man. I was pretty much alone with my unpopular opinion of Preacher. Between that and the BS that was the Boys last week, this is exactly how I feel towards him.

[georgexjr]

fn a.

[Ryan79]

And I also think Batman's Rogues gallary is over-rated. The Flash's Rogues would kick the crap out of them. Gorilla Grodd alone could decimate half of Arkham's inmates.

Oh yeah, and The Mandrill should be an A-List villain.

and The Fabulous Frog-Man should have a monthly book. Written by me.



I...I think I love you.

Oh, and Taskmaster/Constrictor should totally get their own Avengers: The Initiative spin-off.

[Ryan79]

Didn't say you bashed the book. Re-read my post. I was pointing out not being upset by negative opinions of a work. I specifically said "anyone" rather than "you" and further said, I don't believe in sacred cows.

I was vexed by your assumption that the point of Watchmen is superheroes in the real world. What Moore did was treat the Superhero as a complex character rather than a caricature. Which nobody did seriously or with as much skill up till then or since.

Superheroes of the referenced era were defined in personality by their costume/ gimmick. The genius of Moore is in the inversion of that- Watchmen's characters are extremely gimmicky and would be defined as such if written in the 40s. So basically Moore took characters that would be defined by their gimmicky concepts and wrote them straight faced.

This is not the same as having superheroes in the real world such as in Nite Owl going to the supermarket and lolz ensue. No.

Watchmen is not even much a rumination on what it would be like to be a superhero in the real world. With the exception of Dr. Manhattan, the heroes don't have powers that transcend or separate them from the bounds of humanity. The characters are more akin to forgotten war veterans.

At the surface level, Watchmen is a morality play of the greater good vis-a-vis what one believes to be the right & true thing. Truth, or the perception of what we think is true-- being very important here. At the the deeper level, it is about humanity's need to invent a mythology/fiction for itself. The people of the Watchmen world read Pirate comics because that is their myth making in a world where Dr. Manhattan actually exist.

There is also a lot said of the nature of the Comic Book and the way comics are read, understood and why that is so. There is a historical element to it all that is dependent on your awareness on the medium you are reading; as in the format, the page, the ink, the process of sequential storytelling.

Watchmen is the epitome of the comic book because it can only be a comic book. It can not be presented in any other medium whatsoever other than in the comic book medium. Watchmen is about comic books.


Very pretty words. They didn't do a thing to change my perspective, but nice try, though. Now excuse me while I go read The Boys and listen to KISS.

[kahunablair]

I...I think I love you.

Oh, and Taskmaster/Constrictor should totally get their own Avengers: The Initiative spin-off.


Have you ever read Deadpool? The Taskmaster Constrictor storylines in there were fantastic. Sadly, they weren't in the book at the same time but it was great.

[Ryan79]

Have you ever read Deadpool? The Taskmaster Constrictor storylines in there were fantastic. Sadly, they weren't in the book at the same time but it was great.


Yeah, those were good times. I think I may have to go back into my long-boxes to dig those issues out.

[Muady]

eh...

I don't think Final Crisis: Requiem was such hot shit.

Same goes for Preacher.

I also never had a problem with Wally West's kids. . .l

allright....

I'm gonna dodge tomatoes now. . .

[horatio616]

eh...

I also never had a problem with Wally West's kids. . .l

allright....

I'm gonna dodge tomatoes now. . .

You've just become very unpopular! At least you didn't say you loved the Sentry.

[aerodynamics]

er ... thanks for the assist back there, Conor, and pardon my newbish sloppiness.

I'll do better in the future, I swear it!

[Labor_Days]

Very pretty words. They didn't do a thing to change my perspective, but nice try, though. Now excuse me while I go read The Boys and listen to KISS.
Um, why would I be trying to change your perspective? That wouldn't matter to me one way or another. You asked what the crux of the book was- I gave it to you.

Watchmen is not a "superheroes in real life" story. It takes the conventions of superheroes seriously, that is all.

You did not understand what you read. Point of fact.

[miyamotofreak]

I think Bendis isn't that great. Especially his marvel stuff.

[comhcinc]

i like the sentry.........

[miyamotofreak]

The Watchmen works for me on two levels, the deconstruction of the superhero and the deconstruction of comic books. While the former gets most of the attention, I find the latter just as interesting if not more, which is why I am so down on the upcoming movie. However if the movie becomes a deconstruction of film in general then I may change my tune.

[Labor_Days]

....However if the movie becomes a deconstruction of film in general then I may change my tune.

From the guy who made 300?

I wouldn't hold my...;)

[optimus187prime]

i like the sentry.........

Im indifferent, but I do not hate the character.

[paper]

Arkham Asylum > DKR, Killing Joke
Tony Stark = hero
League of Extraordinary Gentleman = Moore's best
later WB Timm Batman tAS > Earlier Fox Timm Batman tAS

[esophagus]

Fables is mediocre at best.

[comhcinc]

Tony Stark = hero
League of Extraordinary Gentleman = Moore's best

AGREE

[esophagus]

Arkham Asylum > DKR, Killing Joke
I would say DKR is fairly close, but yeah, I definitely agree with that.

[Muady]

You've just become very unpopular! At least you didn't say you loved the Sentry.

Haha, I don't have an opinion on him because I've never really read anything with him featured.

I dare say the original 2000 mini sounds really interesting to me. The way I hear he's written in New Avengers does sound pretty dumb though.

[miyamotofreak]

I would say DKR is fairly close, but yeah, I definitely agree with that.
They need the next rerelease to fix the Joker lettering though. It's really annoying.
Oh and I couldn't get past page 50 of Box Office Poison. So boring.

[JohnVFerrigno]

I...I think I love you.

Oh, and Taskmaster/Constrictor should totally get their own Avengers: The Initiative spin-off.

Taskmaster on Avengers: The Initiative is comedy gold. Especially when he's hanging out with Ant-Man, watching episodes of "Chuck" on his iPod while everyone is running around trying not to get killed.

[Ryan79]

Taskmaster on Avengers: The Initiative is comedy gold. Especially when he's hanging out with Ant-Man, watching episodes of "Chuck" on his iPod while everyone is running around trying not to get killed.

You're obviously a man of great taste.

[JohnVFerrigno]

You're obviously a man of great taste.

Thanks. I'm glad somebody else appreciates the awesomeness that is Avengers: The Initiative. Everybody seems to complain about this title, but it's my favorite of the three Avengers monthlies by far. Yeah, it doesn't have these groundbreaking, universe changing stories that are so popular these days. But the fact is, it's a throwback to when comics were FUN. It reminds of the comics when i was a kid, but kind of updated with a current spin. It's a good old fashioned 80s romp, with lots of action, humor, and cool characters that doesn't take itself too seriously. And the Taskmaster stuff has been terrific.

[crippler]

My unpopular opinion is that Arkham Asylum is nearly unreadable. I have no idea what is going on in those painted panels and I'm not even sure what happened at the end or who all of the villains were. Supposedly it's great, but... I need captions or something to explain it to me.

[hank41]

I think that Box Office Poison is an absolute masterpiece. Nobody seems to agree with me except for Josh and Tom Katers. It is such a personal book and you can tell that Alex Robinson put his all into that book

[paper]

RE: Arkham Asylum

You have to read the one with the script in the back. It really opens it up. You could certainly argue that you shouldn't need to read the script to get the story, but in this case I really enjoy the experience. There are so many great ideas in that story, and the imagery is so effectively haunting.

[hank41]

i guess i have to read that now

[ConorKilpatrick]

I think that Box Office Poison is an absolute masterpiece. Nobody seems to agree with me except for Josh and Tom Katers. It is such a personal book and you can tell that Alex Robinson put his all into that book

That's certainly not an unpopular opinion considering how well that books sells.

[kevsname72]

Will buy ANYTHING FROM...
Joe Madureria
Chris Bachelo
Skottie Young
Humberto Ramos.
and... wait for it,

Scott Lobdell.

[kevsname72]

That's certainly not an unpopular opinion considering how well that books sells.

i've never met anyone else who enjoyed BOP as much as i did, When i first went to pick it up from my LCS, the owner hadn't even heard of it.

[ConorKilpatrick]

i've never met anyone else who enjoyed BOP as much as i did, When i first went to pick it up from my LCS, the owner hadn't even heard of it.

It's one of Top Shelf's best-selling books and one of the reasons why Robinson only has to put out a new book every two years or so. He told us it sells more copies every year than the year prior.

[hank41]

@Conor

Yeah, it does sell well and people read it. It's just that I never hear people say they love it, they either just like it or they just think "meh". It's one of my favorites and I don't think a lot of other people "love it".

[ConorKilpatrick]

It's one of my favorites and I don't think a lot of other people "love it".

You're not talking to the right people.

[PaulSharkey]

Will buy ANYTHING FROM...
Joe Madureria
Chris Bachelo
Skottie Young
Humberto Ramos.
and... wait for it,

Scott Lobdell.

I'll go one better, Chris Bachelo is in my top five artists of all time and I loved Scott Lobdells X-men. Also Rob Liefield was a great artist (any who mock should first read hawk & Dove)

[hank41]

You're not talking to the right people.

i NEVER talk to the right people. ive turned it on to at least 7 people and all of them "liked" it.

i no longer make contact with these "people"

[hank41]

i don't like JG Jones' artwork

[JohnVFerrigno]

my favorite is the one from Box Office Poison. Nighthawk is just cheap

I love Box Office Poison. Why this wasn't a smash hit is beyond me.

[ConorKilpatrick]

I love Box Office Poison. Why this wasn't a smash hit is beyond me.

It is a smash hit.

[JohnVFerrigno]

I think that Box Office Poison is an absolute masterpiece. Nobody seems to agree with me except for Josh and Tom Katers. It is such a personal book and you can tell that Alex Robinson put his all into that book

Box Office poison is one of my "desert island books." Easily, to me, one of the five best graphic novels of all time.

[hank41]

I think Conor is trying to make a point, but I just don't follow

[horatio616]

I don't like the "I'm a replicant" ending to Blade Runner. I prefer the 'S-Mart' ending of Army of Darkness.

The Empire Strikes Back is really kind of boring in the middle.

I like Muse better than Radiohead.

[JohnVFerrigno]

It is a smash hit.

Is it? I didn't know anybody really read this book. I bought it on a whim at Borders a few years back and loved it, but I had never heard of it before and have rarely heard it mentioned since. If you say it sells well, I'll take your word for it. You'd be in a much better position to know than I am. I just never heard anybody talk about this book before and assumed it wasn't a good seller.

[Labor_Days]

Box Office Poison is one of those go-to books people recommend to people new to comics or usually don't like them. It's a very big seller.

[hank41]

I don't like the "I'm a replicant" ending to Blade Runner. I prefer the 'S-Mart' ending of Army of Darkness.

The Empire Strikes Back is really kind of boring in the middle.

I like Muse better than Radiohead.

wow dude. i was about to watch Blade Runner for the first time tonight. guess that's not happening

[hank41]

Box Office Poison is one of those go-to books people recommend to people new to comics or usually don't like them. It's a very big seller.

yeah, i gave it to my brother who doesn't read and he "liked" it, but it got him to read more comics

[Labor_Days]

I am not saying it is a good book to give to people, necessarily.

I am saying everyone and their mother has a copy. Tends to be one of the few OGNs you find on non-comics people's bookshelf. The hipper folks might also have a Back Hole or Ghost World.

All three are sorta cliched as the "if you don't like comics..." sort of books.

[horatio616]

wow dude. i was about to watch Blade Runner for the first time tonight. guess that's not happening

That wasn't necessarily a spoiler.

[kahunablair]

Will buy ANYTHING FROM...
Joe Madureria
Chris Bachelo
Skottie Young
Humberto Ramos.

You have just been named, "Blair's Favorite Forum Member". Congrats!!

[kahunablair]

There is one book that I cannot understand how it isn't a bigger hit.
No one ever talks about how good Box Office Poison is. Seriously. I know most of the people around here haven't even read it. I just don't understand!

I love you, Conor.

[esophagus]

Box Office Poison is definitely a book I love that other people don't.

Also: Bone and Watchmen.

[Humphrey Lee]

There is one book that I cannot understand how it isn't a bigger hit.
No one ever talks about how good Box Office Poison is. Seriously. I know most of the people around here haven't even read it. I just don't understand!

I love you, Conor.

It's in my top 25 or so when I rate my lists of comic book reads and runs. I think it's that good.

[optimus187prime]

I am saying everyone and their mother has a copy. Tends to be one of the few OGNs you find on non-comics people's bookshelf. The hipper folks might also have a Back Hole or Ghost World.



LOL, I have a back hole.

[brandeezy]

LOL, I have a back hole.

Some people spend too much time in theirs.

[bean6344]

First of all, rember that its your opinion. Its not about right or wrong. Go with what you like.

Pet Sounds sucks. (my 14 year old opion). While not wrong (it was my opion)... it lacked historical perspective. Certain works of art are important because they break the current popular view of what is acceptable. Be it Lenny Bruce, Godard, Speigleman, "Bitches Brew era Miles, etc.). We have all hear of ... was ahead of its time. That's what it was like to be a comic nerd int he 80's. Mage, American Flagg, Love and Rockets, Watchmen, etc.) blew our mind. Ronan was a failure (at least in my friends world) because it was too weird. (4 page speards w/out dialogue... what a waste). Most of us had had little or noexposure to the eastern model of comics. I still say that this is one of the reasons why The Dark Knight Returns was such an event back in 86. The fanboys had lowered expectations while the general audience had raised expectations (based upon the Rolling Stone exposure).
So... what's my point? Don't give up on the modern classics because they don't live up to the hype (what does?). Just realize because something is not your meet your tastes does not make t bad. Ask a friendly vegan their opinion of a steak or hamburger or cheese soup... or as a carnivore the same question...
Bean
BTW. Pet Sounds is genius but I prefer 20/20 or Wild Honey. If you think The Beach Boys are Cocamo (sp? who cares?) or Little Duce Coupe... you have a lot of great music that you have never heard.

[PaulSharkey]

Box Office Poison is definitely a book I love that other people don't.

I liked Box Office Poison but my girl friend loved it. She made me order his next book right after she finishd BOP. I found it entertaining and the people in it very likable.

[georgexjr]

i will be starting preacher after the gym today.

[Chris Neseman]

You're all crazy.

Go read Watchmen again.

[hank41]

ive never read Preacher. that's unpopular of me.

but, im waiting for the hardcovers

[aerodynamics]

Some people spend too much time in theirs.

How much is too much? I keep asking people; no one will give me a straight answer.

[hank41]

but, do you really want an answer

[paper]

Just remembered, not a big Invincible fan. That's a whole chapter of the file Conor is keeping on me. There's a smaller chapter on how I'd prefer another author on Walking Dead. Good, but paint by numbers dialogue. That's my criticism of Kirkman. He's great with story (which is crucial), but the dialogue is a little too minimalist and uninteresting for my taste. Not a bad book, but I don't fully understand the acclaim.

Guy gives a great interview though.

[Labor_Days]

I am partially with you on Invincible. The first few volumes were real fun. But then it just kept on like that and well, I got bored.

[Six Gun]

-The only good arc of Fear Agent was The Last Goodbye
-War Stories is a better book than Preacher
-Robert Kirkman is annoying

[horatio616]

Just remembered, not a big Invincible fan. That's a whole chapter of the file Conor is keeping on me. There's a smaller chapter on how I'd prefer another author on Walking Dead. Good, but paint by numbers dialogue. That's my criticism of Kirkman. He's great with story (which is crucial), but the dialogue is a little too minimalist and uninteresting for my taste. Not a bad book, but I don't fully understand the acclaim.

Guy gives a great interview though.

Oh man. I just bought the second Invincible trade after not particularly liking the first. Don't make me question my purchases!

[horatio616]

-The only good arc of Fear Agent was The Last Goodbye
-War Stories is a better book than Preacher
-Robert Kirkman is annoying

I didn't much like the first Fear Agent trade either, mainly because of the first half but also because it ended with a cliffhanger.

[esophagus]

The Waling Dead is the only Kirkman I enjoy, and boy do I enjoy it. Also, I think he will do a good job as an Image editor, regardless of what I think of most of his work.


Re: Everyone who has quoted my BOP post, I was joking. Everyone likes Box Office Poison. Its not unpopular. An unpopular opinion would be to dislike it.

[horatio616]

The Waling Dead is the only Kirkman I enjoy, and boy do I enjoy it. Also, I think he will do a good job as an Image editor, regardless of what I think of most of his work.


Re: Everyone who has quoted my BOP post, I was joking. Everyone likes Box Office Poison. Its not unpopular. An unpopular opinion would be to dislike it.

I've yet to read it. I've picked it up so many times but didn't follow through on the purchase because I'm a rural guy and BOP looks to be the exact opposite of that. I don't know if it's something that I'll relate to. I do plan on getting to it eventually, but I've always found something else to buy instead.

[kwok_talk]

I find Cliff Chang's art to be just ok.

[paper]

I find Cliff Chang's art to be just ok.

WHAT?!?!

Leave!

[Labor_Days]

Now you see why I hate Kwok's guts so much.

[david-c]

Mark Millar is a talented writer.

I don't care what anyone else says, the fact that most of his work reads like a dumb stupid action movie is good to me. His runs on the Ultimates, Ultimate Fantastic Four, and FF proper are amazing.

[optimus187prime]

Mark Millar is a talented writer.

I don't care what anyone else says, the fact that most of his work reads like a dumb stupid action movie is good to me. His runs on the Ultimates, Ultimate Fantastic Four, and FF proper are amazing.

I agree.

I really like Ultimate X Men as well.

[Six Gun]

The Waling Dead is the only Kirkman I enjoy, and boy do I enjoy it. Also, I think he will do a good job as an Image editor, regardless of what I think of most of his work.


high five :)

[Humphrey Lee]

Since his run on DD ended, and excluding Powers, I think Bendis' work the past couple years has been pretty much average or a little "run of the mill" at least by his standards. There's been a couple really good issues in there of course, like the Cage issue of CW and Confessions, but other than those things I mentioned... meh.

[Six Gun]

I find Cliff Chang's art to be just ok.

I think the fact I spent $100 for that man to draw me Batman's torso gives you my response to that sir!

[esophagus]

I bought Cliff Chiang's character profile of Barbara Gordon from when he did Batman: Golden Streets of Gotham in 2002. I found the image (minus his writing, and some small sketches) used as a promo in a google search.

http://www.comicon.com/pulse/images/goldenstreets4.jpg

[paper]

Nice!

I grabbed a copy of Golden Streets of Gotham recently. Beautiful book.

[hank41]

I bought a character profile of Batman and Robin from Cliff Chiang (a couple batmans, one robin. i'll post it later) at NYCC. he's a great guy and i talked to him for a while. and then later on sunday, when the con was winding down, i came back to him with a copy of Doctor 13 and since he wasn't busy, and since he's awesome, he basically flipped through the pages with me pointing out cool stuff and commentating on the whole thing. he's awesome

[Charlie Blix]

I bought a character profile of Batman and Robin from Cliff Chiang (a couple batmans, one robin. i'll post it later) at NYCC. he's a great guy and i talked to him for a while. and then later on sunday, when the con was winding down, i came back to him with a copy of Doctor 13 and since he wasn't busy, and since he's awesome, he basically flipped through the pages with me pointing out cool stuff and commentating on the whole thing. he's awesome

Thats pretty sweet. Damnit I have to go to a comic con sometime. I'm a lazy geek who has never been to a con... ever. blah.

[hank41]

Thats pretty sweet. Damnit I have to go to a comic con sometime. I'm a lazy geek who has never been to a con... ever. blah.

dude, i see you're in ohio, no idea where, but in ohio none the less. if you haven't been to a con, Mid-Ohio Con is pretty fun and is a relatively calm con (compared to SD & NY)

check it out!

http://www.midohiocon.com/

[Charlie Blix]

dude, i see you're in ohio, no idea where, but in ohio none the less. if you haven't been to a con, Mid-Ohio Con is pretty fun and is a relatively calm con (compared to SD & NY)

check it out!

http://www.midohiocon.com/

Yeah... about that. I know it says I'm in Ohio and all but I live in Pittsburgh now. I moved... and this goes back to that whole lazy thing... I haven't changed my info yet.

I have heard good things about the Ohio con. I think theres one coming up in Pittsburgh soon or it already happened. Oh well. Next year is looking better for me to spend money anyways.

[hank41]

yeah, that came and went

[Humphrey Lee]

Yeah... about that. I know it says I'm in Ohio and all but I live in Pittsburgh now. I moved... and this goes back to that whole lazy thing... I haven't changed my info yet.

I have heard good things about the Ohio con. I think theres one coming up in Pittsburgh soon or it already happened. Oh well. Next year is looking better for me to spend money anyways.

PittCon is going downhill slowly, and the place it's being held usually won't even be there next year cause of demolition, so I don't even know if it's going to happen, or where. A change of venue could work wonders though. If they move it to the Convention Center, right in the heart of the city, that could get a lot more creators to come in if they know they get to chill right outside the two stadiums and maybe hit up the strip district bar scene or a baseball or hockey game when they're in town. As is, it's in the ass end of nowhere (well, that's not true, Monroeville is good for some strip mall shopping, but it's a little ghetto-ized).

Mid-Ohio looks a lot better now that they took it off Thanksgiving weekend. Even though it's an "old timers brigade" this year, it's still damn good looking. Joe Kubert, Alan Davis, P. Craig Russell, Claremont, Marv Wolfman, Roger Stern - that's just a cool gathering of chaps. I chose it over Baltimore this year even though Baltimore looks to have a way better guest list, but Mid-Ohio is a yearly tradition with me and my buddies.

[Labor_Days]

Since his run on DD ended, and excluding Powers, I think Bendis' work the past couple years has been pretty much average or a little "run of the mill" at least by his standards. There's been a couple really good issues in there of course, like the Cage issue of CW and Confessions, but other than those things I mentioned... meh.
Quoted for the goddamn truth.

The dude fell off that precarious pedestal over-eager fans placed him on sometime around House of M and The New Avengers meet the Sentry.

[CAM!]

I like Cheesecake.

[hank41]

I love cheesecake!!!

Wanna party sometime!?!?!?

[hank41]

i saw Mulholland Drive and I fucking hated it. I've never seen any David Lynch since

[CAM!]

I love cheesecake!!!

Wanna party sometime!?!?!?

Sure.

But be forewarned,

when it's time to party I always party HARD.

hmmmmmm, lotta potential jokes there...

[horatio616]

i saw Mulholland Drive and I fucking hated it. I've never seen any David Lynch since

I hate David Lynch movies, except Dune.

I actively dislike The Goon for some reason.

[hank41]

i still need to check out the goon

[ConorKilpatrick]

i saw Mulholland Drive and I fucking hated it. I've never seen any David Lynch since

What David Lynch have you seen besides that?

[hank41]

i saw the first 20 minutes of Blue Velvet at my friends house and didn't like it at all.

is Mulholland Drive different than is usual style or is it all the same. I guess i could check out another one if I just didn't like MD

[kahunablair]

Brace yourself people!

I think the Sentry, as a character, isn't a lost cause.

[ConorKilpatrick]

i saw the first 20 minutes of Blue Velvet at my friends house and didn't like it at all.

is Mulholland Drive different than is usual style or is it all the same. I guess i could check out another one if I just didn't like MD

It seems as though you aren't down with Lynch's style, which is fine it's not for everyone. You should check out The Straight Story, though. Totally not done in his normal style. Very touching. Fantastic Academy Award nominated performance by Richard Farnsworth.

[kahunablair]

I actively dislike The Goon for some reason.

I could see that. I didn't like it the first time I picked it up either. Then I read another issue and I was hooked.

i still need to check out the goon
Yeah, you do!
Pick up Chinatown. It is probably the best story from the series.

[kwok_talk]

Brace yourself people!

I think the Sentry, as a character, isn't a lost cause.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/2779140380_475dca086b_o.jpg

[kahunablair]

I love you, Kwok!

[hank41]

It seems as though you aren't down with Lynch's style, which is fine it's not for everyone. You should check out The Straight Story, though. Totally not done in his normal style. Very touching. Fantastic Academy Award nominated performance by Richard Farnsworth.

thanks. top of the netflix Q

[GungaDin]

Brace yourself people!

I think the Sentry, as a character, isn't a lost cause.

I'm actually with you. He just needs a good handler...

[CAM!]

I love you, Kwok!

THat's not unpopular.

[CAM!]

It seems as though you aren't down with Lynch's style, which is fine it's not for everyone. You should check out The Straight Story, though. Totally not done in his normal style. Very touching. Fantastic Academy Award nominated performance by Richard Farnsworth.

WOrd......

[Labor_Days]

Pretty sure Kahuna is the worst person who ever lived in the history of life.

The Sentry?

Come-the-fuck-on. You just have an inherent need to go against the grain.

[hank41]

don't we all, Labor? don't...we...all?

[esophagus]

Brace yourself people!

I think the Sentry, as a character, isn't a lost cause.
I think if he is taken back to his miniseries roots he isn't a lost cause. He needs a serious change to be a cause I don't want to lose.

[horatio616]

Pretty sure Kahuna is the worst person who ever lived in the history of life.

The Sentry?

Come-the-fuck-on. You just have an inherent need to go against the grain.

I can just hear the Marvel guys talking about The Sentry.

"Let's make our own Superman, but instead of Kryptonite being his weakness let's make it his brain!"

"That's so deep, man."

[kahunablair]

Pretty sure Kahuna is the worst person who ever lived in the history of life.

The Sentry?

Come-the-fuck-on. You just have an inherent need to go against the grain.

When the grain is just repeating something just for the sake of repeating it, sure I am. If on the other hand, I felt something great was bad, then I'd be a crazy person....

cough USM cough

[kwok_talk]

I think if he is taken back to his miniseries roots he isn't a lost cause. He needs a serious change to be a cause I don't want to lose.

Yeah, agreed. I just read the miniseries for the first time and he's really portrayed differently.

I like Gambit.

[RaceMcCloud]

Boy Meets World should be adapted into a comic book.

Pure... bloody... GENIUS!

[RaceMcCloud]

Oh, and Taskmaster/Constrictor should totally get their own Avengers: The Initiative spin-off.

And it should be a weekly.

[RaceMcCloud]

You've just become very unpopular! At least you didn't say you loved the Sentry.

"Love the Sentry?" C'mon, that's too easy.

[RaceMcCloud]

Tony Stark = hero

I was thinking about this the other day. I'm going to role play right now, as random street-level, b-list Marvel hero.

"Let me get this straight... S.H.I.E.L.D. is going to finance my vigilantism, put me on salary with a nifty benefits packet and a 401K, ensure safety and protection for my immediate family, train me in the better use of my powers and emergency situations, provide me with back-up support from other metas when needed, pay for housing for me and my loved ones, clear me of any legal issues that may arise from use of my abilities, and all I have to do is register my civilian identity, which will be kept in a secure database designed by Tony Stark and Reed Richards, with the full protection of the Avengers and Fantastic Four, virtually ensuring that my arch-enemies the Walrus and the White Rabbit will never get access to it?

....

Give me a goddamn pen."

How is this a bad idea for anyone?

[RaceMcCloud]

Mark Millar is a talented writer.

I don't care what anyone else says, the fact that most of his work reads like a dumb stupid action movie is good to me. His runs on the Ultimates, Ultimate Fantastic Four, and FF proper are amazing.

The only work of Millar's that I have read that I didn't care for was "Civil War". Everything else has been gold. (Sorry, Josh.)

[RaceMcCloud]

Unpopular opinions, here we go...

Mark Bagley is one of the best artists working today, and the quintessential Spider-Man artist.

"Spider-Man 3" was really good. Even "dark Peter".

Frank Miller doesn't do much for me. Except, of course, with his best work to date, which is "All-Star Batman and Robin".

Alan Moore? Who cares? (I like "Watchmen", but the prose portions are unnecessary.)

"Secret Invasion" is really good, and it's no big deal that the Avengers have been in The Savage Land the whole time.

The Sentry could be a great character (Yeah, it's too easy, but I do agree with that.)

...

Okay, that's it for now. I'm sure there's more.

[aerodynamics]

Folks oughta peep 'Twin Peaks' or 'Eraserhead' ere dismissing the Lynchinator.

I'm just sayin'.

[Ryan79]

Unpopular opinions, here we go...

Mark Bagley is one of the best artists working today, and the quintessential Spider-Man artist.

Totally agree. He's the Spider-Man artist I grew up with and his drawings are what I see in my head whenever someone mentions Spidey.


"Secret Invasion" is really good, and it's no big deal that the Avengers have been in The Savage Land the whole time.

Preach on.

[Humphrey Lee]

Oh yeah, here's one. I don't think it's "unpopular" in that people would wildly disagree with me, more that people just haven't really read it to judge but I would say that, with maybe the exception of FABLES, that Mike Carey's LUCIFER is easily the best comic book series/run to be produced this current decade. I don't want to say nothing comes close, but the scant few that do still don't really compare.

[RaceMcCloud]

Oh yeah, here's one. I don't think it's "unpopular" in that people would wildly disagree with me, more that people just haven't really read it to judge but I would say that, with maybe the exception of FABLES, that Mike Carey's LUCIFER is easily the best comic book series/run to be produced this current decade. I don't want to say nothing comes close, but the scant few that do still don't really compare.

I've never even heard of that.

[RaceMcCloud]

Preach on.

Oh, I'm testifyin'.

[Labor_Days]

Oh yeah, here's one. I don't think it's "unpopular" in that people would wildly disagree with me, more that people just haven't really read it to judge but I would say that, with maybe the exception of FABLES, that Mike Carey's LUCIFER is easily the best comic book series/run to be produced this current decade. I don't want to say nothing comes close, but the scant few that do still don't really compare.

QFT.

One of Vertigo's best efforts.

[ConorKilpatrick]

I've never even heard of that.

You've never heard of Lucifer? Odd, Josh can't go more than five shows without mentioning it.

[comhcinc]

You've never heard of Lucifer? Odd, Josh can't go more than five shows without mentioning it.
for real!

[RaceMcCloud]

You've never heard of Lucifer? Odd, Josh can't go more than five shows without mentioning it.

Maybe I always just think he's prattling on about "Preacher" again...

[hank41]

i really should read Lucifer. it seems like a story I would like

[Diabhol]

i saw Mulholland Drive and I fucking hated it. I've never seen any David Lynch since

While other David Lynch stuff may or may not be worthwhile, Mulholland Drive is garbage.

I live two blocks from those cottages, though. :)

[Diabhol]

Folks oughta peep 'Twin Peaks' or 'Eraserhead' ere dismissing the Lynchinator.

I'm just sayin'.

"Eraserhead" is flat-out The Worst Movie *Ever* Made.


Ditto.

[Diabhol]

I don't like the "I'm a replicant" ending to Blade Runner.


Agreed. Additionally, I think Blade Runner works better with narration and makes it more noir. BR is also vastly better than the novel that spawned it; "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" is utter shit. (Fortunately, PKD has other books that are good.)

[hank41]

is Minority Report (the book) any good?

[CAM!]

Better than the movie.

[hank41]

hmm. i actually liked the movie, maybe i should pick up the book

[aerodynamics]

"Eraserhead" is flat-out The Worst Movie *Ever* Made.


Ditto.

Then you, my friend, have never seen 'The Family Stone' or 'The Other Sister'.

SHUDDER x12

I hear you, though. 'Eraserhead' is definitely a 'YMMV' sort of film.

[RaceMcCloud]

Actually, the worst movie ever made is "Cool World." Although "Blair Witch 2: Book of Shadows" gives it a run for its money.

[hank41]

The Quick and the Undead

[JohnVFerrigno]

no no no no no. The worst movie ever made is RED DAWN.

[denmmurray]

According to IMDB This is the worst movie ever. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364986/)

[hank41]

Copper Mountain starring Jim Carrey

[GungaDin]

Then you, my friend, have never seen 'The Family Stone'...

Rachel McAdams saved that movie. Any movie she's in automatically becomes a good movie.

[denmmurray]

Rachel McAdams saved that movie. Any movie she's in automatically becomes a good movie.

True...I actually liked that movie...what ruined was SJP. Horrible actress...

[GungaDin]

True...I actually liked that movie...what ruined was SJP. Horrible actress...

Her face looks like a foot...

[paper]

Rachel McAdams saved that movie. Any movie she's in automatically becomes a good movie.

Correct.

[RaceMcCloud]

Then you, my friend, have never seen 'The Family Stone'

No, I will second the opinion that, Rachel McAdams or no Rachel McAdams, "The Family Stone" is horrendous.

[Ryan79]

no no no no no. The worst movie ever made is RED DAWN.

You take that back!

[gobo]

I'm a Vin Diesel fan

Also: Family Stone was alright, mainly saved by Rachel McAdams

[kahunablair]

no no no no no. The worst movie ever made is RED DAWN.

Fun fact:
When Russia began it's recent invasion of Georgia, the Georgia government cut into the local news to broadcast with Red Dawn. Apparently it was meant to rally the population to usurp the Russian army.

[kahunablair]

I'm a Vin Diesel fan

Same here. In order to be completely honest though, I've only seen him in Pitch Black and Knockaround Guys.

[gobo]

Speaking of Worst Movies Ever, I saw Alone in the Dark which is still the least enjoyable movie I've ever seen. (Not necessarily the worst made, since some badly made movies are fucking awesome).

I refused to accept I'd seen the worst movie ever at ... 24 I think at the time. So I went on a quest to find a worse movie, I watched Glitter, Crossroads and in one day I watched: Gigli, Cat in the Hat, From Justin to Kelly, Master of Disguise, House of the Dead and Catwoman, by the end of the day Gigly and Justin to Kelly seemed totally awesome.

Still after all of that nothing was worse than Alone in the Dark

[gobo]

Same here. In order to be completely honest though, I've only seen him in Pitch Black and Knockaround Guys.

I dug him in both Riddick movies, Knockaround Guys, Fast and the Furious and xXx and I totally enjoyed the Pacifier

It popped into my head because for some reason Babylon AD excites me.

[horatio616]

I thought Dan in Real Life was nearly unwatchably bad. People dug that movie, didn't they? What a fake-ass movie!

[ConorKilpatrick]

I dug him in both Riddick movies, Knockaround Guys, Fast and the Furious and xXx and I totally enjoyed the Pacifier

He was quite good in Saving Private Ryan and Boiler Room.

[horatio616]

From Justin to Kelly

It's weird, but that movie was just a few years too early. If it would have come out now it might have been a hit. Haven't seen it. Would High School Musical fans like it? I have two young daughters who LOVE HSM.

[ConorKilpatrick]

I thought Dan in Real Life was nearly unwatchably bad. People dug that movie, didn't they? What a fake-ass movie!

I liked it.

All movies are fake. I'm surprised no one told you that. :)

[hank41]

He was quite good in Saving Private Ryan and Boiler Room.

yeah, those are the two performances i think of when i think of him

[horatio616]

He was quite good in Saving Private Ryan and Boiler Room.

I root for Vin Diesel, even though I may not like all his movies. He seems like a 110%-er.

[Dave Accampo]

no no no no no. The worst movie ever made is RED DAWN.

Red Dawn isn't even the worst Patrick Swayze movie ever made.

http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/pics/B00004WI53.jpg

[horatio616]

I liked it.

All movies are fake. I'm surprised no one told you that. :)

I guess I wanted the movie to focus on the relationship with his daughters instead of that contrived romance, which I didn't buy from the first syllable from their lips. Also, I didn't buy any of his family. I really wanted to like it and I did until they got to that cabin. Ugh! I need to get the taste of this movie out of my brain!

[Jimski]

ever see Dungeons and Dragons, starring that especially annoying Wayans brother?

I have a friend who doesn't pay any attention to pop culture at all, and I always forget that when he wants to see a movie. I think I'm humoring him and he's heard the reviews, but then we leave the theater and he says, "Wow, Pearl Harbor wasn't good at all," and I have to brain him with a trashcan lid for dragging me along on one of his uninformed misadventures. The D&D movie was another one of those.

I really should get him a subscription to EW for Christmas.

[horatio616]

http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/pics/B00004WI53.jpg

You just made me horny.

[paper]

Red Dawn isn't even the worst Patrick Swayze movie ever made.

http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/pics/B00004WI53.jpg

Haha, I LOVED that movie!

[aerodynamics]

Suddenly I'm pissed off at everyone that I know that I made it to twenty-eight years of age without the slightest awareness of 'STEEL DAWN'.

The scales from off my eyes ... thank you, Mr. Dave Accampo. Thank you.

[paper]

I guess I wanted the movie to focus on the relationship with his daughters instead of that contrived romance, which I didn't buy from the first syllable from their lips. Also, I didn't buy any of his family. I really wanted to like it and I did until they got to that cabin. Ugh! I need to get the taste of this movie out of my brain!

I agree. I really wanted to like it, and I even have the soundtrack, but other than Dan himself, I just didn't buy into it. The supporting cast was playing it really broad, and that didn't match up with what Carell was doing (uncharacteristically restrained, I thought).

[Dave Accampo]

This could even be a sub-thread -- Movies you KNOW are bad now, but that you LOVED as a kid/teen.

[aerodynamics]

ever see Dungeons and Dragons, starring that especially annoying Wayans brother?


Once, in a state of impaired judgement, I rented this to distract myself from the discomforts influenza.

Really, the movie was worse than the sickness. My feverish state of mind just made things even more nightmarish.

[paper]

This could even be a sub-thread -- Movies you KNOW are bad now, but that you LOVED as a kid/teen.

Sometimes we have better judgment on art when we're kids. For real.

[hank41]

HEY! Captain Ron holds up!

[Dave Accampo]

Sometimes we have better judgment on art when we're kids. For real.

Once upon a time, I thought Jean-Claude Van Damme's Cyborg was cool.

Where's your fancy theory now, Paper?!?!? Where is it now?!?!?

/sob/

[paper]

I said sometimes.

You were never a child, Dave. You were spawned from a dead ram.

[Dave Accampo]

I said sometimes.

You were never a child, Dave. You were spawned from a dead ram.

Plus, to be honest, I was a teenager at that point, and I knew it was bad, I just thought it was cool ironically.

[Dave Accampo]

Also: it's only my current form that was spawned from a dead ram.

Just so we're clear.

[GungaDin]

Know what movie holds up? The Great Mouse Detective. Love that movie.

[kahunablair]

Dude, no one is going to argue that!

To Ratigan!

[Dave Accampo]

I agree. I really wanted to like it, and I even have the soundtrack, but other than Dan himself, I just didn't buy into it.

I'm with Conor on this one. I liked it. I didn't love it, but I think I also went in with low expectations, and I liked the way it dealt with love and the start of a relationship in this context. I do agree with you that the supporting cast was a bit bland (although I LOVED the parents' in their role). Does the fact that I think Dane Cook is WAAAAAY overrated fit into the "unpopular opinion" theme of the thread? That said, I guess I felt like it was just charming enough to be an entertaining DVD rental.

[horatio616]

Does the fact that I think Dane Cook is WAAAAAY overrated fit into the "unpopular opinion" theme of the thread?

I think the more popular opinion right now is to hate Dane Cook. He's the Greg Land of comedy.

Muzzle fuzzle. The iFanboy site is down again. Damn wall of anti-matter!

[paper]

I think the more popular opinion right now is to hate Dane Cook. He's the Greg Land of comedy.

Eso may or may not have access to a picture of me that is really dangerous to my street cred. I may or may not have been a big fan for a while and though I realized the error of my ways a long time ago, the scars are still there.

Did I ever tell the story of how I inadvertently caught my grandfather trying on his SS uniform? Similar.

[Dave Accampo]

I think the more popular opinion right now is to hate Dane Cook. He's the Greg Land of comedy.

I wasn't sure. I never got the appeal. Maybe it's just people I know in daily life. I should figure this community has more sense than that. :)

[GungaDin]

Eso may or may not have access to a picture of me that is really dangerous to my street cred. I may or may not have been a big fan for a while and though I realized the error of my ways a long time ago, the scars are still there.

Did I ever tell the story of how I inadvertently caught my grandfather trying on his SS uniform? Similar.

Does this have any similarities to you and your not-celebrity/celebrity relationship with David Blaine?

[gobo]

Dane Cook blows

Oh I've got another Unpopular Opinion, I tend to agree with Accampo.

[GungaDin]

I would also like to point out that Jeff Foxworthy, Larry the Cable Guy, and Bill Engvall have all be fairly successful. Their existence and rampant popularity (among people they cater to) disgusts me. Why Jeff Foxworthy even exists...

[horatio616]

Eso may or may not have access to a picture of me that is really dangerous to my street cred. I may or may not have been a big fan for a while and though I realized the error of my ways a long time ago, the scars are still there.

Did I ever tell the story of how I inadvertently caught my grandfather trying on his SS uniform? Similar.

Well at least you didn't try to sell the uniform to a museum. Or did you?

I have one of his CDs. I love that bit where he talks about going up to a guy in a Superman t-shirt and shooting him in the chest and when he falls, saying "Apparently not."

It's cool to hate on him right now but I don't really have a problem with him.

[paper]

Does this have any similarities to you and your not-celebrity/celebrity relationship with David Blaine?

What are you insinuating about my level of celebrity?

David Blaine is systematically destroying magic. Hate him.

[gobo]

How is David Blaine destroying magic?

[horatio616]

What are you insinuating about my level of celebrity?

David Blaine is systematically destroying magic. Hate him.

But he can hold his breath longer than Batman. Any credit for that?

What do you think about MINDFREAK*?


*Said in the same voice as that guy in the song "Wipeout."

[paper]

Criss Angel is fine. I like his philosophy.

David Blaine is like the Ralph Nader of magic.

[kwok_talk]

How is David Blaine destroying magic?

His NBA commercials nearly destroyed my interest in the NBA.

[Dave Accampo]

Dane Cook blows

Oh I've got another Unpopular Opinion, I tend to agree with Accampo.

Ha! That's awesome.

[Dave Accampo]

As far as unpopular opinions go, the negative criticism that probably gets me into trouble is that I think Geoff Johns' Green Lantern: Rebirth was a pretty mediocre mini-series. It was the retcon-masquerading-as-story that really put me off of Johns for a while. I'm still not reading GL, despite everyone's raves of the Sinestro Corp War story. And I'm only just now appreciating Johns' Action and JSA books.

[kahunablair]

I don't mind Dane Cook. He's a funny guy that just got WAY too popular. Too much of anything is a bad thing.

[GungaDin]

As far as unpopular opinions go, the negative criticism that probably gets me into trouble is that I think Geoff Johns' Green Lantern: Rebirth was a pretty mediocre mini-series. It was the retcon-masquerading-as-story that really put me off of Johns for a while. I'm still not reading GL, despite everyone's raves of the Sinestro Corp War story. And I'm only just now appreciating Johns' Action and JSA books.

That was the first thing I read in comics (I know, I'm relatively new) and I was very aware it was a retcon...

And you're REALLY missing out by not reading Sinestro Corps...

[Jimski]

As far as unpopular opinions go, the negative criticism that probably gets me into trouble is that I think Geoff Johns' Green Lantern: Rebirth was a pretty mediocre mini-series. It was the retcon-masquerading-as-story that really put me off of Johns for a while. I'm still not reading GL, despite everyone's raves of the Sinestro Corp War story. And I'm only just now appreciating Johns' Action and JSA books.

I bought an issue; it would take some doing to prove to me that it was written in English. Something something Coast City.

[optimus187prime]

Rebirth - good
Sinestro Corp War - awesome
Criss Angel - Douche
David Blane - Date Rape Face

[RaceMcCloud]

This could even be a sub-thread -- Movies you KNOW are bad now, but that you LOVED as a kid/teen.

"Transformers: The Movie" is pretty much awful.

"GI Joe: The Movie" is worse. (Except for the opening song.)

Same goes for every cartoon I liked before "Batman: The Animated Series", which also isn't as good as "The Adventures of Batman and Robin", aka BTAS Season 4. (Looney Toons don't count.)

Also "Who's the Boss", "Growing Pains", "Saved by the Bell", "Perfect Strangers", "Full House"... I loved those shows. None of them are even the slightest bit remotely funny.

Thankfully, "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Movie", "The Cosby Show", and "Cheers" all hold up. (As well as the ooooold 60's "The Odd Couple" TV show. Much of my childhood viewing was the 11:00pm - 12:00am timeslot on WPIX Ch. 11 in NYC.)

[esophagus]

Eso may or may not have access to a picture of me that is really dangerous to my street cred. I may or may not have been a big fan for a while and though I realized the error of my ways a long time ago, the scars are still there.

Are we talking about this picture?

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/esophaguss/DSC04240.jpg

Or this one?

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/esophaguss/517WD0fU-BL__SS500_.jpg

[horatio616]

Somebody's political career is over.

[kahunablair]

Can you say Desktop Background?

[esophagus]

Edit: Forget I said anything.

[gobo]

"Transformers: The Movie" is pretty much awful.
YOU TAKE THAT BACK

[horatio616]

YOU TAKE THAT BACK

I have extra pitchforks and torches if you'd like to join my angry mob.

[gobo]

I've lost count how many times I've seen Transformers: The Movie, I love it to death

[JohnVFerrigno]

"Transformers: The Movie" is pretty much awful.

Thankfully, "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Movie", "The Cosby Show", and "Cheers" all hold up. (As well as the ooooold 60's "The Odd Couple" TV show. Much of my childhood viewing was the 11:00pm - 12:00am timeslot on WPIX Ch. 11 in NYC.)

I used to watch WPIX every night. some of the best sitcoms ever were on at the 11:00pm slot on that station. The Honeymooners, The Odd couple, Cheers, they even started showing Seinfeld later on. And the Odd Couple was 1970-75, not 60s. but yeah, it holds up. it's just weird that you mention it as I've been watching the first season on DVD the last few days. And Transformers rules strictly from Nostalgia.