Avengers, Assemble!

[cammyknoxville]

So I have a question:

If at the end of Secret Invasion Pro-Reg and Anti-Reg put aside their differences and have one Avengers team again, How many heroes would be on the team? Would the Avengers title suddenly become as big as the JSA Line-up of the 616 Universe?

Also, who would you like to see on the line-up?

[bgavino]

I really want to see a classic Avengers line up of Thor, Captain America, and Ieron Man with Hawkeye. I am kind of sick of this JLA type line up with Spider Man and Wolverine. I want a classic Avengers team fighting classic Avengers villains like the Masters of Evil. That is what I am hoping wil happen but I doubt that. I think the point of Secet Invasion though is to bring the Avengers back together though, to form hopefully one team again. Also I don't think they will have a line up as big as The JSA. I don't really even know who would be in it to create a line up that big. I think the registration thing is going to be thrown out at the end of Secret Invasion. In a way I am starting to get the feeling that Secreet Invasion will kind of be fixing some things that Civil War f'ed up in the Mravel U. That's where it seems like the story is going to me but who knows.

Bryan

[comhcinc]

i doubt that will happen. if everyone does kiss and make up then i am sure the teams will be kept seperate. like the old avengers/ west coast avengers.

i would be happy with the mighty avengers as it is now minus the sentry (who i do like) plus hawkeye. i like both books and teams but to me new avengers just doesn't feel like the avengers to me.

[georgexjr]

get rid of spider man cause he sucks and its doesn't make sense anyways(brand new day) get rid of wolverine cause he's an x-men and it doesn't make sense either. then get rid of wonder man cause he too sucks.

[comhcinc]

spider-man rocks but doesn't fit in the avengers. wolverine doesn't have enough time in the day to be in the avengers (beast was in the avengers too, being an x-men doesn't have anything to do with it)

wonderman rules but i would like an updated outfit.

[hank41]

Luke Cage needs to be in there, Ronin needs to be in there, Dr. Strange was a cool addition and so was Spidey. the rest... meh

[comhcinc]

i am yet to be convinced that luke cage is cool.

[hank41]

read issue #22 of the New Avengers. if you're not convinced by that, then you're not gonna be convinced

[comhcinc]

read them all. and yeah i might not be convinced.

[georgexjr]

luke cage is a bad ass mofo...if you remember the cover of his limited was his fist "punching though the cover" and he was wearing like at ...four finger ring with his name on it. CAGE

awesome.

[hank41]

not as cool as the time he had gold fronts with the name CAGE on them

[conorkilpatrick]

Man, that Azzarello Cage series was awful.

[comhcinc]

you say that as if there has been a good cage series

[labor_days]

I want the real Avengers back- Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Wasp, Hawkeye, Beast, Vision, Ant Man, Scarlett Witch and Rick Jones.

And I want to battle Kang for 90 issues. Just all Kang, all the time.

None of this Spider-Man is an Avenger nonsense. Fuck you, Bendis.

[labor_days]

Also, Luke Cage will never be anything but a racial stereotype. It is the only reasons he exists in the first place.

Embrace the authentic street dialogue; "Yo! I need a solid, man. Cool."

[esophagus]

Luke Cage is soo not a racial stereotype.

http://www.marvelessentials.com/marvelhcs/images/cage.jpg

[kahunablair]

I want the real Avengers back- Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Wasp, Hawkeye, Beast, Vision, Ant Man, Scarlett Witch and Rick Jones.

And that would be the old Avengers, the ones I never read, right?

[labor_days]

You missed out.

I pity your Rick Jones-less life.

[kahunablair]

Oh, I gave them a shot.
Was not a fan at all.

[horatio616]

Oh, I gave them a shot.
Was not a fan at all.

Rick Jones is worthless unless Peter David is writing him.

[hank41]

ive never tried that stuff. guess i should. any recommendations???

[kahunablair]

Let me clarify: I'm a real prick when it comes to my JLA/Avengers teams.

I believe the JLA should be Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Flash, and Green Lantern. As Morrison put it, the Greek Gods of the DCU.

Same holds true for Avengers. Give me Captain America, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Hulk, Thor, Doctor Strange, and maybe Wolverine.

[labor_days]

Oh, I gave them a shot.
Was not a fan at all.
WHAT?!

The Kree-Skrull War, that time Kang showed up, Pym creating Vision, Cap giving speeches, Thor reminding everyone he is the Odin-Son, Iron Man being drunk?

What sort of "person" is not a fan of classic Avengers?

I don't know how you can stand to look at yourself in the mirror everyday, Blair.

Is your house carpeted with the shards of smashed mirrors as you try to evade your reflected shame?

[comhcinc]

Captain America is dead so he can't be on the team ( bucky hasn't earned the "A" yet)

Thor is doing his own thing right now and i don't to mess that up.

so if i get to pick

Hawkeye

Ironman

Wasp

Black Widow

Aries or Hercules (i am leaning toward Aries but Hercules is the classic)

Quicksilver

[labor_days]

Spider-Man can't be an Avenger. Especially now.

Stupidest shit ever done to Spider-Man*.


*Besides Slingers, natch.

[kahunablair]

WHAT?!

The Kree-Skrull War, that time Kang showed up, Pym creating Vision, Cap giving speeches, Thor reminding everyone he is the Odin-Son, Iron Man being drunk?

What sort of "person" is not a fan of classic Avengers?

I don't know how you can stand to look at yourself in the mirror everyday, Blair.

Is your house carpeted with the shards of smashed mirrors as you try to evade your reflected shame?

I wish I could tell you why, man. I really do. Something about it just turns me off. I have no urge what so ever to go back and read it. I have always felt that way about the Avengers too.
Well, until the new incarnations that is.

[labor_days]

You fracture my heart just a little more everyday. One day it shall break.

[bgavino]

Quite frankly I am sick of the Wolverine Spider-Man Avengers. Let's face it both Spider-Man and Wolverine were put on to the team to do one thing and that was to boost sales. I'm tired of this team I never really liked Luke Cage, I don't care for Echo and Dr. Strange shouldn't be any where near the Avengers. He just doesn't fit the team in my opinion. I just want an Avenger's team with Captain America, iron Man, Thor, Wasp, Hawkeye, and Pym. I think that was what was going on at the end Secret Invasion #4 but bendis didn't follow up on that so we won't find out until issue 6. But as I stated before I think that is what secret invasion is all about it's about bringing Marvel's "trinity" (Cap, Thor, Iron Man) back together.

Bryan

[gobo]

I'm not sure if Marvel had a Trinity that it would be Cap, Thor and Iron Man

Cap would be for sure though

[comhcinc]

But as I stated before I think that is what secret invasion is all about it's about bringing Marvel's "trinity" (Cap, Thor, Iron Man) back together.

ummm how does that work? cap is dead and the last i read thor wasn't too happy with iron man..............i mean really how does that work? cap is dead and thor isn't taking part of the secret invasion (except for the mini which doesn't look like it is going to leave iowa).................cap is dead.

[johnvferrigno]

Rick Jones is worthless unless Peter David is writing him.

The same can be said for a lot of characters in the Marvel U. Captain Marvel, Multiple Man, Wolsfbane (DAMN YOU X-FORCE!), Guido, The Hulk, the already mentioned Rick Jones, Quicksilver, Havok, Polaris, Val Cooper......

[johnvferrigno]

and my dream Avengers team:

Captain America, Iron man, Wasp, Vision, Hawkeye, The Beast and Wonder Man, and Quicksilver.

[gobo]

ummm how does that work? cap is dead and the last i read thor wasn't too happy with iron man..............i mean really how does that work? cap is dead and thor isn't taking part of the secret invasion (except for the mini which doesn't look like it is going to leave iowa).................cap is dead.

Steve Rogers is dead, Captain America is alive and well

[labor_days]

Maybe the first arc can be Thor and Iron Man finding a way to bring Rogers back to life. In doing so, Thor and IM rekindle their friendship. Of course, they will need the help of Dr. Pym, his wife- The Wasp and their android, The Vision.

Watching a reborn Rogers give a speech about standing strong in the face of adversity to a crowd of millions...the Scarlett Witch is inspired to put her mistakes behind her and move on. She joins the Avengers along with Quicksilver (who lost all the stupid powers he had in SoM).

Kang shows up to prevent the Avengers from re-forming. Knowing that no force can withstand the might of a reinvigorated Avengers. The Avengers barely defeat Kang. Arc ends with IM telling Steve and Thor it feels like old times again. Double splash page of Cap calling for the the real Avengers to Assemble.

All the New Avengers and Mighty Avengers are sent home.

The second arc is all about a "mysterious" benefactor who funds the rebuilding of the Avengers Mansion. It is revealed after several issues, that the benefactor was none other than Rick Jones!!!!!

Rick has been to the future and he knows a terrible secret about Kang. To stop Kang's evil plan, the real Avengers must be unified.

More splash pages. Kang shows up a again.


This is what the Avengers title should be like forever.

[david-c]

I would love the following team:

Beast
Captain America (I would like it to be Steve Rogers, but I could live with Bucky)
Iron Man
Thor
Hawkeye
Wasp
and maybe Black Widow

The first story arc would have to un-catify beast and make him how he was. Second Story Arc= Bring Steve Rogers back.

After that, it can be the avengers again. The stories shouldn't be complicated or dark, they should be FUN.

[comhcinc]

Steve Rogers is dead, Captain America is alive and well
there are a couple of guys runing around in outfits but none of them are captain america.

[gobo]

A bunch of people stuck in the past here

[conorkilpatrick]

As much as I love the old classic Avengers, I'm quite enjoying the team as it is now. It's a lot of fun. I actually think Wolverine makes a much better Avenger than an X-Men.

[labor_days]

A bunch of people stuck in the past here

I thought my treatment was very progressive.

Rick Jones from the future? That is some next level comix.

[comhcinc]

A bunch of people stuck in the past here
lol i will say it again. i will stick with the colonel's original recipe and i'll take my coke in the classic variety. and i'll take my captain america as steve "earned it for 50 years" rogers. i like bucky, bucky is fine, but bucky ain't no captain america

but if you want to take your new captain along with a bucket of crispy chicken and wash it all down with a two liter of new coke, well be my guess.

[paper]

Ideal Avengers team:

Hawkman, Mr. Terrific, Jay Garrick, Alan Scott, Wildcat, Wildcat Jr., Hourman, Liberty Belle, Sandman, Power Girl, Dr. Mid-Nite, Crazy Starman, Stargirl, Black Adam, Damage, Cyclone, Citizen Steel, Jakeem Thunder, KC Masterpiece Superman

[horatio616]

Ideal Avengers team:

Black Adam

No Hitler?

[horatio616]

The same can be said for a lot of characters in the Marvel U. Captain Marvel, Multiple Man, Wolsfbane (DAMN YOU X-FORCE!), Guido, The Hulk, the already mentioned Rick Jones, Quicksilver, Havok, Polaris, Val Cooper......

Hmm, you are 100% correct sir!

[david-c]

Ideal Avengers team:

Hawkman, Mr. Terrific, Jay Garrick, Alan Scott, Wildcat, Wildcat Jr., Hourman, Liberty Belle, Sandman, Power Girl, Dr. Mid-Nite, Crazy Starman, Stargirl, Black Adam, Damage, Cyclone, Citizen Steel, Jakeem Thunder, KC Masterpiece Superman

Do you read Avengers at all? JSA is good, but come on. . .

[paper]

No Hitler?

Black Adam didn't dope. Steve Rogers did.

Black Adam > Steve Rogers

[horatio616]

Black Adam didn't dope. Steve Rogers did.

Black Adam > Steve Rogers

Now the iFanboys AND the FBI have a file on you!

Punching holes in Terra gets you on my shit list.

[bgavino]

ummm how does that work? cap is dead and the last i read thor wasn't too happy with iron man..............i mean really how does that work? cap is dead and thor isn't taking part of the secret invasion (except for the mini which doesn't look like it is going to leave iowa).................cap is dead.

As mentioned Steve Rogers is dead but Cap is not. As of right now Marvel is pushing Bucky as Captain America. I am all for Steve Rogers as Cap but at this time he is dead and marvel seems intent on keeping it that way. So for now Bucky is the only Cap we have. As for Thor not being involved in Secret Invasion did you see the end of issue 4? Now the verdict is still out on whether that was a skrull we saw but I'm thinking it's not. Also as for Thor not being happy with Stark, I read an interview where Quesada said at the start of Civil War that they wanted to get back to the 60's era of Marvel where all the heroes weren't best friend and they were all weary of one another (though I read a lot of Silver Age stuff and this never seemed to be the case but what ever) and I think that is the dynamic you would have if you put at least those three on a team with each other. This makes sense if you think about this statement in regards to Spider-Man as well. Also check out the cover to Secret Invasion #6 which has kind of fueled my theory of this happening.

As for the whole living in the past thing I was fine with Wolverine and Spider Man and the line up they had when the whole disassembled thing happened but they never did any thing with that line up. Issue after issues all we got was people standing around talking about doing things. Now that is not really a knock against the team I guess but the writer. All I'm saying is that I am kind of tired of this new team and I would like to see some Avengers stories where things actually happen and there is some action and excitement. Also if the Trinity of the Marvel U is not Cap, Thor, and Iron Man then who is it? Especially in regards to the Avengers two out of the three are founding members. I guess we will find out ion a couple of months where the team is going though. Frankly the team can consist of any group of characters as long as the stories are good I would just prefer a team of classic Avengers rather than a team that is put together to boost sales.

Bryan

[comhcinc]

As mentioned Steve Rogers is dead but Cap is not. As of right now Marvel is pushing Bucky as Captain America. I am all for Steve Rogers as Cap but at this time he is dead and marvel seems intent on keeping it that way. So for now Bucky is the only Cap we have. As for Thor not being involved in Secret Invasion did you see the end of issue 4? Now the verdict is still out on whether that was a skrull we saw but I'm thinking it's not. Also as for Thor not being happy with Stark, I read an interview where Quesada said at the start of Civil War that they wanted to get back to the 60's era of Marvel where all the heroes weren't best friend and they were all weary of one another (though I read a lot of Silver Age stuff and this never seemed to be the case but what ever) and I think that is the dynamic you would have if you put at least those three on a team with each other. This makes sense if you think about this statement in regards to Spider-Man as well. Also check out the cover to Secret Invasion #6 which has kind of fueled my theory of this happening.


it is really sad to think that cap is just replaceable. if that is the case why not have a team of cap'n bucky war machine and beta ray bill? the history is with steve rogers not captain america. maybe iron man would accept bucky but i don't see thor doing that at all. and he shouldn't because it isn't the same person. i am sorry but that just doesn't work. you can't get the old gang back if the old gang is dead. i mean did you see blues brothers 2000?

[hank41]

it is really sad to think that cap is just replaceable. if that is the case why not have a team of cap'n bucky war machine and beta ray bill? the history is with steve rogers not captain america. maybe iron man would accept bucky but i don't see thor doing that at all. and he shouldn't because it isn't the same person. i am sorry but that just doesn't work. you can't get the old gang back if the old gang is dead. i mean did you see blues brothers 2000?

haha, case in point. Goodman is no Belushi

[bgavino]

it is really sad to think that cap is just replaceable. if that is the case why not have a team of cap'n bucky war machine and beta ray bill? the history is with steve rogers not captain america. maybe iron man would accept bucky but i don't see thor doing that at all. and he shouldn't because it isn't the same person. i am sorry but that just doesn't work. you can't get the old gang back if the old gang is dead. i mean did you see blues brothers 2000?

I am not happy that Steve Rogers is dead but he is. Guess what, and don't take this the wrong way, but you're not writing Avengers or Secret Invasion now so Thor is going to accept whoever Brian Micheal Bendis or Joe Quesada has him accept. But I will accept the Avengers with Bucky as Cap if that is the only way get a classic Avengers line up. Besides who really thinks Steve Rogers is going to be dead for much longer any way. Nope didn't see Blue Brothers 2000 and didn't want too because it looked bad but if we could get some good stories with Bucky as Cap then great. That is not really a great comparison either considering that John Belushi was a real person and Steve Rogers isn't. I am just curious though are you reading the current Cap book that is being written by Brubaker?

Bryan

[gobo]

Wally West

[hank41]

Danger Mouse

[labor_days]

Do you read Avengers at all? JSA is good, but come on. . .

Paper is quite correct here. Post-Crisis Robinson/Goyer/Johns JSA were some of the finest comics of their era. Post, Post-Crisis Johns JSA continues the tradition of excellence. In some ways it is even better now than before.

That is roughly 9 years worth of JSA being one of the best comic series published.

As I said- I love the Avengers, but there are a lot of awful Avengers comix in that time.

JSA > most other team hero books

[comhcinc]

I am not happy that Steve Rogers is dead but he is. Guess what, and don't take this the wrong way, but you're not writing Avengers or Secret Invasion now so Thor is going to accept whoever Brian Micheal Bendis or Joe Quesada has him accept. But I will accept the Avengers with Bucky as Cap if that is the only way get a classic Avengers line up. Besides who really thinks Steve Rogers is going to be dead for much longer any way. Nope didn't see Blue Brothers 2000 and didn't want too because it looked bad but if we could get some good stories with Bucky as Cap then great. That is not really a great comparison either considering that John Belushi was a real person and Steve Rogers isn't. I am just curious though are you reading the current Cap book that is being written by Brubaker?

yeah i am reading the current book, that still doesn't make bucky captain america. it is a great comparison because you seem to be living under the idea that the mask makes the team, while i claim that it is the person under the mask. of course steve rogers isn't a real person, neither is jake blues. both of them a pretend people.

steve rogers acts a certain way, and bucky acts a different way. and this rolls in to the second point with thor. no i am not writing these stories, but i have been reading these characters long enough to understand how they would react. to me that is kinda the point of comics you get years with these character and they become really familiar, much more than a movie or book character. while you may not know every twist and turn a story takes you can kinda guess at the character's reaction.

if they start acting out of character that is bad writing, there a plenty of examples of bad writing around, but we never takes the attitude that "that is the way bendis wants it" because we as fans have invested time effort and money and we care about the character. so after all that i will say again.

bucky isn't cap, he may be years down the road but not right now. thor would never accept bucky as cap. if he does that is just bad writing.

[labor_days]

Soon we will find out how Thor feels about Bucky Cap.

http://i37.tinypic.com/11bu2s8.jpg


I think they will be friends and go on adventures together.

[johnvferrigno]

As much as I love the old classic Avengers, I'm quite enjoying the team as it is now. It's a lot of fun. I actually think Wolverine makes a much better Avenger than an X-Men.

Well, since the Avengers are a super-hero team,a nd the X-Men are a bunch of whiny pussies, you automatically get much cooler when you leave the Cyclops weep-a-thon and join the Avengers instead. (The "instead" would be for everybody BUT Wolverine, who can be on 5 teams at once and nobody at Marvel cares. But can Wolfsbane be on two teams? No, readers may be "confused." Fucking Marvel......)

[horatio616]

Paper is quite correct here. Post-Crisis Robinson/Goyer/Johns JSA were some of the finest comics of their era. Post, Post-Crisis Johns JSA continues the tradition of excellence. In some ways it is even better now than before.

That is roughly 9 years worth of JSA being one of the best comic series published.

As I said- I love the Avengers, but there are a lot of awful Avengers comix in that time.

JSA > most other team hero books

I have hardly read any JSA. I swear to do that someday. I think Mr. Terrific is one of the coolest looking characters around, but I just haven't had a lot of actual exposure to him.

I wonder if that 'Fair Play' jacket would be cool or tacky in real life.

[horatio616]

Well, since the Avengers are a super-hero team,a nd the X-Men are a bunch of whiny pussies, you automatically get much cooler when you leave the Cyclops weep-a-thon and join the Avengers instead. (The "instead" would be for everybody BUT Wolverine, who can be on 5 teams at once and nobody at Marvel cares. But can Wolfsbane be on two teams? No, readers may be "confused." Fucking Marvel......)

The new Cyclops would tear your head off and piss down your aorta for saying that.

[comhcinc]

(The "instead" would be for everybody BUT Wolverine, who can be on 5 teams at once and nobody at Marvel cares. But can Wolfsbane be on two teams? No, readers may be "confused." Fucking Marvel......)
i hadn't heard that. that is going on the fridge right next to " it would be a bad role model for spider-man to get a divorce so lets have him make a deal with the devil."

[racemccloud]

I want the real Avengers back- Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Wasp, Hawkeye, Beast, Vision, Ant Man, Scarlett Witch and Rick Jones.

And I want to battle Kang for 90 issues. Just all Kang, all the time.

None of this Spider-Man is an Avenger nonsense. Fuck you, Bendis.

Sometimes you can't go home again, bro. (And Spidey on the Avengers is very cool.)

[racemccloud]

ummm how does that work? cap is dead and the last i read thor wasn't too happy with iron man..............i mean really how does that work? cap is dead and thor isn't taking part of the secret invasion (except for the mini which doesn't look like it is going to leave iowa).................cap is dead.

Oh, I don't know if you noticed, man, but there's a new, improved Captain America. It's Bucky, Cap's former sidekick. It has kind of flown under the radar, but he's super-awesome. Check it out!

(This concludes tonight's episode of "Needling Fellow Board Members With Obnoxious Sarcasm". We shall now continue with our regular scheduled postings.)

Much love!

[racemccloud]

Maybe the first arc can be Thor and Iron Man finding a way to bring Rogers back to life. In doing so, Thor and IM rekindle their friendship. Of course, they will need the help of Dr. Pym, his wife- The Wasp and their android, The Vision.

Watching a reborn Rogers give a speech about standing strong in the face of adversity to a crowd of millions...the Scarlett Witch is inspired to put her mistakes behind her and move on. She joins the Avengers along with Quicksilver (who lost all the stupid powers he had in SoM).

Kang shows up to prevent the Avengers from re-forming. Knowing that no force can withstand the might of a reinvigorated Avengers. The Avengers barely defeat Kang. Arc ends with IM telling Steve and Thor it feels like old times again. Double splash page of Cap calling for the the real Avengers to Assemble.

All the New Avengers and Mighty Avengers are sent home.

The second arc is all about a "mysterious" benefactor who funds the rebuilding of the Avengers Mansion. It is revealed after several issues, that the benefactor was none other than Rick Jones!!!!!

Rick has been to the future and he knows a terrible secret about Kang. To stop Kang's evil plan, the real Avengers must be unified.

More splash pages. Kang shows up a again.


This is what the Avengers title should be like forever.

The only thing worse than a controversial change in character that doesn't go over well with large segments of a fanbase and killing iconic favorite characters for no good reason?

Ham-fisted retconning of said actions.

Just sayin'.

[racemccloud]

Two things: I don't much care who is on the Avengers, so long as Bendis writes. (Or I'd like to see Iron Man, Cap, Spidey, Cage, Wolverine, Ares, Hawkeye. Oh, wait, we need a girl in there. Oh, I don't know... She-Hulk.)

As for the Marvel "Trinity": There is no Marvel Trinity. DC characters are gods (or at least god-ish), and Marvel characters are human. They rely on each other too much.

However, there is the Marvel Trinity of Teams: Avengers, Fantastic Four, X-Men (Comrades, Family, Outcasts).

And then there's Spider-Man.

[labor_days]

The only thing worse than a controversial change in character that doesn't go over well with large segments of a fanbase and killing iconic favorite characters for no good reason?

Ham-fisted retconning of said actions.

Just sayin'.

There is not a single element n my treatment that is a retconning.

If there is, please point it out.

My Avengers series is rock fucking solid.

[comhcinc]

There is not a single element n my treatment that is a retconning.

If there is, please point it out.

My Avengers series is rock fucking solid.
it is at that, and if you can figure out a way to involve dr doom then i am on board.

[horatio616]

Ideal Avengers team:

Sentry
Moon Knight
Wonder Man
Wendell Vaughn Quasar
Quicksilver
Vision
Namor

[georgexjr]

Ideal Avengers team:

Sentry
Moon Knight
Wonder Man
Wendell Vaughn Quasar
Quicksilver
Vision
Namor

ha! your the best.

[bgavino]

yeah i am reading the current book, that still doesn't make bucky captain america. it is a great comparison because you seem to be living under the idea that the mask makes the team, while i claim that it is the person under the mask. of course steve rogers isn't a real person, neither is jake blues. both of them a pretend people.

Yea but the reason why Jake Blues wasn't in Blues Brother 2000 was because the actor that played him was dead. John Goodman wasn't playing Jake Blues either he was playing a completely different character. I just didn't think you would be reading the current Brubaker stuff considering it's a book titled Captain America with Bucky starring as Captain America when you are so against the idea of Bucky being Captain America.

steve rogers acts a certain way, and bucky acts a different way. and this rolls in to the second point with thor. no i am not writing these stories, but i have been reading these characters long enough to understand how they would react. to me that is kinda the point of comics you get years with these character and they become really familiar, much more than a movie or book character. while you may not know every twist and turn a story takes you can kinda guess at the character's reaction.

That is true about Steve Rogers and Bucky and I think you are right about Thor acting differently but can't Bendis just write a scene where Bucky does some thing brave and Thor nods his head and suddenly accepts him as Captain America? That is how comic books work. That is the problem with saying you know these characters because you don't. The writer is going to tweak tweak character here and there to make him fit into the story the writer is writing. It happens all the time. The writers don't really care about how the fans think the characters will react they care about the sales of the books. I mean we all knew Peter Parker and Mary Jane did we ever really think Spider-Man or excuse me Mary Jane is going to make a deal with the devil. No but the writer or editor in this case tweaked the character a bit so it fit the story they were telling.

if they start acting out of character that is bad writing, there a plenty of examples of bad writing around, but we never takes the attitude that "that is the way Bendis wants it" because we as fans have invested time effort and money and we care about the character. so after all that i will say again.

Yes it is bad writing it's lazy but have you read Civil War? Every character was acting out of character Iron Man, Captain America, Reed Richards, so why not throw Thor into the mix of characters acting out of character. But here is the thing I kind of liked Civil War and I like the Marvel U with characters acting out of character. I know that sounds stupid it just that things are exciting for once we don't know how all of the characters are going to react and it is kind of cool. So I am looking forward to seeing how Thor reacts To Bucky as Cap because we don't know what's gonna happen. Again as long as the sales are good, and they have been at Marvel, that is all that matters so the way Bendis wants it to Marvel must be the right way.

bucky isn't cap, he may be years down the road but not right now. Thor would never accept bucky as cap. if he does that is just bad writing.

Well we will see what happens as far as Thor accepting Bucky as Cap. I don't see what the big deal would be if Bucky and Thor are on the same Avengers team together just because he won't accept him as Cap doesn't mean he won't work with him to "save the world". Marvel painted themselves into a corner here with the Avengers so I am interested to see how they get them selves out of that corner.

Bryan

[comhcinc]

that is were you and i differ. you seem to like characters acting zany and "oh wow! didn't see that coming!". i read the books i do because i connect with the characters. if the writer wants to disrepect the characters so much as to turn every thing into an elseworld comic fine. i won't read that book. i am sure i am not the only one that feels that way.

and yes i can see thor now: bucky does one brave thing and thor just forgets the 50 years of brave things that steve did :rolleyes:

[racemccloud]

Is it just me, or has this entire thread made me want to watch Blues Brothers 2000 again?

"I'm lookin' for a fox!"

[racemccloud]

There is not a single element n my treatment that is a retconning.

If there is, please point it out.

My Avengers series is rock fucking solid.

Well, I suppose not, if you're going to judge on a technicality. But then you end up with the Chinese winning the gold while you get stuck with the silver in some hokey-ass "tiebreaker" decision, and then what do you got? You got bupkis, pal, bupkis.

And maybe it wasn't retconning, exactly (I'll never figure out the exact usage of that word), but it sure was a lot of hokey undoing of the last many years of Avengers continuity in order to return things to the way they were long, long ago, when such storytelling was common in comics and readers were more passionate but far less widespread and more willing to accept "comic booky" plots.

I suppose if you didn't like all it is that you're undoing, it works, but I'd love to see most of those characters make it back in a way that is far less bronze age cheesy. Unless we're giving Iron Man back his roller skates. Then I'm totally onboard.

[labor_days]

I dunno man. That's pretty close to a typical New Avengers plotline. Sure it lacks the street tuff dialogue of Bendis. But that is only an outline of the first 2 years!

Things that are classic are never out of fashion. The (real) Avengers are classic.

[horatio616]

The Team:

Sentry
Moon Knight
Wonder Man
Wendell Vaughn Quasar
Quicksilver
Vision
Namor

The ideal Avengers story:

This new group of heroes called the 'Ultracadre' comes to Earth and immediately starts solving all Earth's problems and captures the world's attention and affection. They start building these towers all over earth, which are really mind control devices. The Avengers are suspicious, but are seen as being jealous and obsolete. The Avengers split up into teams and investigate these towers but are ambushed and captured...all except Moon Knight, who has it all figured out. The heroes are about to be killed until Moon Knight reveals himself and zaps these "heroes" with a Reed Richards gun and as it turns out they were Skrulls all along. He frees the rest of the Avengers and they kick Skrull ass. The Skrulls are turned into cows who, get this, don't know they used to be Skrulls. They only have this vague notion that something is wrong.

Sentry is the icon everyone looks up to (when he's not crying). Moon Knight is the badass who has it all figured out and who can hold his breath for 4:16. Quasar wonders if he's worthy to be in the group. Wonder Man has this weird sexual chemistry with Namor, who's angry with surface dwellers. The Vision is the calm center of the group. Quicksilver is coming to terms with following the legacy of his father and is a mentor to Quasar.

I'm sure no one has ever written a story like this and it would go down in history as one of the great Avengers runs.

[labor_days]

Someone make Horatio a Marvel "young gun".

The guy is tossing out pure fucking gold.

[horatio616]

Someone make Horatio a Marvel "young gun".

The guy is tossing out pure fucking gold.

Put me on salary. Direct deposit even. I've got Machine Man stories that would make you jump up and down and cry. In that order.

I need to get Ron to get my number to Stan Lee. I don't think Quesada takes Lee's calls anymore but I'm sure Stan knows somebody who can talk to Joe for me.

[racemccloud]

Someone make Horatio a Marvel "young gun".

The guy is tossing out pure fucking gold.

You saw The Sentry on his list, right?

[hank41]

he just needs the right handler

and horatio is that man

[racemccloud]

he just needs the right handler

and horatio is that man

Oh, I agree. But I'm pretty sure Labor HATES the Sentry. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

[bgavino]

you seem to like characters acting zany and "oh wow! didn't see that coming!". i read the books i do because i connect with the characters. and yes i can see thor now: bucky does one brave thing and thor just forgets the 50 years of brave things that steve did

I don't like characters acting zany some times I just like to read stories without knowing the definitve outcome. I also don't see how Thor accpeting Bucky as Captain America would be zany? I really don't see why that is such a big deal. Futhermore who said Thor would forget Steve may-be Thor would just accept Bucky like Steve Roger's did before he died. Now I'm not sure if I remember this but didn't Steve want Bucky to take up his mantle if some thing happened to him. Wasn't that in the letter he wrote to Steve? Obviosuly this back and forth isn't realy going to do any thing so I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. Nice conversation though.

Bryan

[labor_days]

You saw The Sentry on his list, right?

Yes, but I feel he is taking the Sentry in a bold new direction and I like it.

[horatio616]

Yes, but I feel he is taking the Sentry in a bold new direction and I like it.

He needs to get more in touch with his emotions. People love a hero who's not afraid to cry when the chips are down. Or watch tv.

Also, what's better than one Sentry? Two Sentries: Sentry Yellow, Sentry Blue.

Who spins yarns?

<<---This guy!

[georgexjr]

and my dream Avengers team:

Captain America, Iron man, Wasp, Vision, Hawkeye, The Beast and Wonder Man, and Quicksilver.

Secret Invasion #8 (http://www.marvel.com/catalog/?id=10227)

[georgexjr]

thats all you get.

oh thats the cover for secret invasion 8 btw

[racemccloud]

Say, how about we all stop putting spoiler pages/covers from Secret Invasion in threads where they shouldn't be?

(That's a bitchin' cover, though, and a great page Labor posted earlier.)

[labor_days]

Secret Invasion is too awesome for one thread, Race.

[hank41]

wow. awesome cover

[johnvferrigno]

The new Cyclops would tear your head off and piss down your aorta for saying that.

I wouldn't know, as I only read Marvel books that take place in the Marvel Universe. Which means I don't read the Ultimate line, and I don't read the X-Men, unless it's written by Joss Whedon. Have the X-men interracted AT ALL with the rest of the Marvel U in the last few years in any kind of way that mattered? And X-Factor doesn't count as an "X" book to me, so I read that one, too.

[johnvferrigno]

Ideal Avengers team:

Sentry
Moon Knight
Wonder Man
Wendell Vaughn Quasar
Quicksilver
Vision
Namor

You may be joking, but I would totally read that book. Just throw in the Beast, because Wonder Man without th Beast is like Booster Gold without Blue Beetle.

[horatio616]

You may be joking, but I would totally read that book. Just throw in the Beast, because Wonder Man without th Beast is like Booster Gold without Blue Beetle.

I was joking. Trying to use the closest Marvel analogues of the JLA's 'big seven' that I could think of. However, I do love Wonder Man and Moon Knight.

[racemccloud]

Secret Invasion is too awesome for one thread, Race.

It is the thread that knows no boundaries.

[comhcinc]

I was joking. Trying to use the closest Marvel analogues of the JLA's 'big seven' that I could think of. However, I do love Wonder Man and Moon Knight.
i wasn't sure so i went back and checked. the first part of your run was just like the start of JLA back in 96.

was that on purpose or what?

[esophagus]

i wasn't sure so i went back and checked. the first part of your run was just like the start of JLA back in 96.

was that on purpose or what?His characters were anologues of the JLA, so it makes sense that his story would be too.

[labor_days]

Having to explain a joke is some tragic shit.

The sadness smilie is too chipper for this instance.

[comhcinc]

Having to explain a joke is some tragic shit.

The sadness smilie is too chipper for this instance.
so if i am not as witty or hip as you are labor. i was hoping he had come up with on his own being as that would be awesome.

[racemccloud]

I have absolutely no idea what anyone is talking about in this thread anymore.

And I'm okay with that.

[labor_days]

so if i am not as witty or hip as you are labor. i was hoping he had come up with on his own being as that would be awesome.

You should stop using the internet.

Like, wow.

[comhcinc]

You should stop using the internet.

Like, wow.
thank god you are not the boss of me.