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wookiewombat
11-30-2006, 05:48 PM
PART 1

this was written by a friend of a friend whos been Vegan longer then some of us have been born, but this is a really good read and it made me question a lot of things, especially being vegan

INTROSPECTIONS OF A VEGAN SELL-OUT
by Brad Dingman

INTRODUCTION

Food. No matter how far our species attempts to deviate from the natural order from which we are created, we can not get away from certain things. Like every other creature in the animal kingdom, the fact is that we need to eat in order to survive. And like all terrestrial organisms, from the tiniest microorganism to the largest mammal, it is through this link that we are completely and intimately connected to the soil and the sun’s energy, and thus the whole of life.

In modern times, and in the most nonsensical of ways, the life forms that we literally rely upon to survive, have been industrialized and oppressed in ways that are almost unspeakable to anyone who cares about nature. Add to this fact, as the food we consume has been increasingly processed and altered beyond the point of recognition, the human race has gotten sicker and weaker. These combined and inseparable phenomena have prompted a great many lost and confused people to search for answers about what our natural diet is supposed to look like. It is no wonder why diet fads change like the wind and on any given bookshelf labeled “nutrition”, one finds a plethora of diametrically opposing viewpoints about what that means.

After an estimated ten thousand years of dietary degeneration, some feel an answer has emerged to this crisis. And many feel that it is not just a possible answer, but in fact THE answer. It is a movement that has picked up quite a pace in a short couple of decades. It is a trend known as “veganism”.

As a self-proclaimed vegan for twelve years, I can speak endlessly about the benefits I have personally received from following such a lifestyle. I also can speculate with a fair degree of confidence the benefits veganism has to the animals and the environment. This is a topic that many words have been written about, and not the subject of this particular essay. However, it is worth sharing some of the lessons veganism has taught me.

It allowed me to begin making a connection to other aspects of creation. It taught me that not only are we humans animals, but that non-human animals are sentient creatures worthy of respect. It has taught me much about nutrition and lead to a much greater appreciation of what we put into our mouths. Veganism has contributed to an immeasurable increase in the value I personally place in the processes of life.

But there is one more lesson that veganism has directly taught me, that much to the dismay of the vegan community, belongs in an altogether different paragraph than the previous. What veganism has taught me, is that veganism is not “the” answer.

I have embarked upon writing this essay for too many reasons to attempt to articulate. I write it as a source of information for anyone in search of the “perfect” diet. I write it as a sort of rebuttal to many of the misdirected, if not falsified, arguments given to support veganism. (Many of which I have used myself.) I write in hopes of dispelling the myth that anyone who has evolved out of a strict vegan diet is uneducated and lacks conviction. But more than anything, I have come to believe that if people are feeling less than well due to their diet, they must be free to grow out of it without being ostracized by a culture of elitism.

The fact is that while the benefits of veganism are plentiful, it is simply not the only answer to the very complex question at hand. And in fact, it may not even be the most natural or healthful answer. For those of us who honestly care about food issues, animals, and the environment, we must step off the moral pedestals we have fooled ourselves into thinking we stand upon. It is in the interest of our health, in our future, that we embrace tolerance for those who share the same goals, even if not the exact diet.

THE EVOLUTION OF MAN

Not long ago, I was watching a documentary that showed footage of a hunt being carried out by one of the few remaining tribal people living in the Kalahari Desert. Without exaggeration, it left me in a state of awe. It was not because of watching such an alleged barbaric and cruel ritual. Quite the contrary, because it was so incredibly beautiful. Watching the hunter and prey engage in this rhythmic relationship where both parties were in total, unexplainable tune with each other. An eight-hour hunt, the whole while both parties living, breathing and sharing each other’s pain. I cannot think of any activity in modern civilization that even comes close to this closeness with nature.

When I compare this image to that of today’s vegan being glad that pop tarts are vegan and who feed their dogs tofu, it is almost laughable when the latter proclaims a moral superiority over the other. It shows a blatant disrespect for our ancestral roots; a disdain for true nature and an ignorance of science. To my knowledge, out of perhaps thousands of tribes documented from the past or present, there is not a single one that is vegan. And if such a culture ever did exist, it was such an isolated incident that it isn’t even worth noting in such a debate over man’s natural diet. The fact is when humans lived in most harmony with their environment before the dawn of totalitarian agriculture, there were as many described diets as cultures. They were hunters, gatherers, and on occasion, experimented with farming (a practice that was often abandoned when discovered unsustainable). And the one thing they had in common was that they were all omnivorous.

Upon examining the evidence, there is little doubt primitive man ate predominantly fruit, roots, tubers, succulent roots and bulbs, flowers, seeds, and other vegetation for the great majority of our evolutionary chain. It also seems they ate a lot of insects. There is also little doubt that they were opportunists and ate carrion when given the chance. For the great majority of human evolution, our ancestors were scavengers and ate what was available. And even if it was predominantly plants, anyone who claims that meat wasn’t even a small part of early man’s diet is living in a fantasy world. Hunting and fishing as a means to acquire food came later for mankind, but is an inseparable part of our evolutionary history being how long and how universal these practices are, especially when compared to our short time as agriculturists.

Like it or not, regardless of philosophical differences, we are genetically designed to consume at least a small proportion of animal products as did our primitive ancestors.



HUMAN BIOLOGY

Anthropologists and the like who study such things have discovered that primitive humans were taller, stronger, had denser bones and better teeth than modern man. Not only were they physically more robust, but also had little in the way of infectious diseases. Cancer, diabetes, and other chronic illnesses were foreign, if not nonexistent.

We can most easily determine our dietary requirements by simple looking at the composition of our jaws. An adult human has 32 teeth, four of which are canines, the rest designed to process fruits, nuts, seeds, roots, etc. Herbivores don’t have canines. I read in a macrobiotic book once that the ratio of plants to meat that we should consume should be 7 to 1. According to our teeth, that’s about right.

An argument that is common for vegans to use is that our digestive tract is that of an herbivore. Carnivores have much shorter digestive tracts than humans do. I would agree with this statement if it were worded slightly different. Our digestive tracts are MORE like that of an herbivore. What this means is that we are omnivores. Our digestive tract may be better suited to process certain plant material. However, the Inuit people have proven the human ability to digest wild meat. Whale fat, seal meat, fish, and many organs and muscle from animals made up most of their traditional diets. (Despite popular belief, there is evidence that they did eat many plants as well.) Our digestive tract is quite an extraordinary system.

We have the stamina to potentially run long distances. We have brains to develop tools and skills to catch food. We have senses adequate to stalk and find it. We are opportunists in too many ways to dispute the point.

Our closest genetic relatives, the chimpanzees can teach us some lessons about diet as well. Like us, they have both teeth for chewing meat and plants alike. They eat predominately fruits and other plant material. However, they will eat bugs, honey, and will even hunt on occasion. Even the less aggressive bonobos have been known to eat eggs and small vertebrates when the opportunity arises.

This is certainly not to suggest that all human behaviors should be identical to that of monkeys. But it is more than relevant to describe the diet of our closest mammalian relatives to get a reference for what a nutritionally superior diet for humans might look like.

One year, an animal rights group made posters for the “Great American Meat-out”. The poster depicted a hairy caveman “savage” gnawing on a raw meaty bone next to a clean-cut white man in a suit eating a salad with utensils. The poster proclaimed something along the lines of “Are you still living in the stone ages?” Not only derogatory on several levels, the image of ancient man; malnourished, dirty and plagued by disease is completely divorced from reality. As described above, hunter-gatherer societies were and are (in the few places left they are allowed to exist) much healthier than modern man and the reasons are simple. One being that their diet was/is composed of fresh, whole, nutrient dense foods, including a proper balance of plant and animal material.

wookiewombat
11-30-2006, 05:50 PM
PART 2 of the article, because it was too long


NUTRITION

As far as fields of science are concerned, I’d much rather study ecology than nutrition. I find nutrition quite uninteresting actually. But I also find it necessary to mention a bit about nutritional requirements considering the topic of this essay. If you want a more detailed description of the topic, I would suggest consulting one of the millions of books and articles written on the topic. For now, all I have to go on is my own experience and my old nutrition textbook from college.

When my wife was pregnant with our second child, she was still nursing our first. She continued a vegan diet like she had for years without much question. It came to a point where she was literally feeling drained regardless of how much, or how nutritious, she ate. It is also worth noting she was on a high quality prenatal supplement at the time as well. She began having a gut feeling that she was missing something in her diet. That something we could not account for considering the quality and quantity of her diet. While I can imagine some suggesting that in this case she should have stopped nursing our son, that wasn’t an option at the time. For unlike veganism, breast-feeding is a time-tested and proven, truly natural behavior that every mammal exhibits. Perhaps needless to say, this situation combined with my own struggles with fatigue lead to countless conversations and introspection about veganism, diet, and nutrition.

An overwhelming amount of research has shown the benefits of a plant-based diet. However, as much as this is true, it is undeniable that certain people, if not many people, do not thrive on a strict vegetarian diet. Many have complained of symptoms such as lack of energy, depression, weakness, loss of libido, eating disorders, etc., not to mention more severe nutritional deficiencies such as anemia.

I can already hear the protests of committed vegans proclaiming their superior health due to their dietary choices. Of course some will do well on a vegan diet. Yet the point I dispute is that all can do good on a vegan diet. And make no mistake; supplementation is no adequate solution to nutritional deficiencies. To use an analogy that a vegan should be able to relate to… vitamin and mineral supplements are the equivalent of pumping livestock with antibiotics. It doesn’t attack the root of the problem and is an inferior Band-Aid at that. Our energy should come from food, not pills.

The fact is humans need B-12, and if lacking for an extended time, can cause serious problems. Reliable amounts of B-12 can only come from animal sources. Other animals absorb B-12 from bacteria into their muscle tissue, and we can get this essential vitamin from consuming their flesh or eggs. It is probably true that if you eat soil-covered vegetables, you may obtain small levels of B-12. It isn’t true that fermented foods provide useable B-12. In other words, a vegan must supplement. This small fact alone dismisses veganism as man’s intended diet.

We also need Omega-3’s. Yes, yes, yes, we can obtain Omega 3’s from flaxseeds, hemp seeds, and other seeds and vegetables. But in this age where we are exposed to so many toxic chemicals, we may need greater amounts than these sources supply. It is no secret what a whole, rich source of these essential fatty acids fish and naturally produced eggs are. And they are also locally available in most places humans tend to reside.

And to be fair, as far as current science knows, all other necessary nutrients can be obtained from a well-balanced vegan diet. However, as much as vegans can make that claim, in practice it isn’t an easy feat. Iodine, some amino acids and protein, as well as other vitamins are all more readily available from animal sources.

MORAL DILEMMAS INHERENT TO VEGANISM

The domestication and suffering of animals in today’s intensive industrial/CAFO/factory model of farming is a plight that I have not been able to ignore for half of my life. The lives of the world’s animals do not belong to humans to abuse and exploit as we see fit. This mistreatment of animals is a widespread practice that I abhor. Add to this the environmental ramifications to the soil, air, and water by intensive animal agriculture, and it is no wonder that veganism is such an attractive option.

But one has to question whether the seemingly obvious answer of veganism is truly the best way to bring an end to these violations against the natural world. Conventional veganism ignores the ecological interactions between human and non-human species. Vegans tend to try to remove humans from the cycle of life. The killing of animals is not a black and white ethical issue that can be dealt with as such. Morals were invented by human culture as a means to deal with such dilemmas, and upon a deeper introspection about the killing of animals for food, one would realize that it’s not as simple as many vegans would suggest.

Perhaps the biggest flaw in this line of reasoning is the assertion that eating a plant-based diet would end the killing of animals. Anyone who has ever tended a garden has noticed the chopped worms and slain spiders. And if the smallest back yard garden involves the death of animals, then imagine how many deaths occur on the gigantic mega-farms of today? How many groundhogs, rabbits, and rodents are slaughtered by the blades of the tiller? And this isn’t even counting pesticide use. One could take this argument even further by pointing out how many fossil fuels are used in the production of vegetables. Polar bears are heading towards extinction due to loss of habitat from global warming. How many raccoons are ran over by trucks transporting vegan food across country? No matter how you slice it, even the most organic vegetable farm cannot escape murdering animals. It seems fair to me to compare a hunter who kills a deer on his property (one animal dead), to the vegan buying processed food from California (countless animals dead).

And let us discuss the conventional and most common way of growing the food that conventional vegans eat, because it is a topic I have rarely seen addressed in this debate. Monoculture is a crime against the animals and environment if there ever was one. The endless acres of soybeans and corn required to make most processed vegan food necessarily means a loss of biodiversity, and a increased vulnerability to ecological collapse due to disease, pests, and environmental degradation. Displace and destroy the lives of countless native animals in place of miles and miles of corn and soy. Deplete the soil of all its worth. Are these practices vegan?

I read an argument recently that smacks one in the face with its dose of reality. It is undeniable that organic plant agriculture is in part dependent upon animal agriculture for fertilizer. If there was no manure and other animal by-products to be recycled for organic fertilizer, there would be and exponential increase in the use of synthetic fertilizers in agriculture. Our vegan vegetables would only exist because the soil was doused in an abundance of harmful petrochemicals. The environmental impact would be unimaginable. And coinciding with this, the demand for genetically modified crops would increase as well. Is this the path we want to pursue to end the killing of animals?

These are the dirty little secrets that most strict vegans either haven’t thought about or don’t want to think about. And I can be sure that many don’t want you to think about it because these arguments are a threat to their perceived moral high ground. But for those of us who sincerely care, we must think about them if we wish to be successful in our efforts. Unless we are harvesting wild edibles from our own back yards, there is no escaping taking animal lives. Our hands are all red. However, it is a part of the natural order to take a life to feed another, be it plant or animal. And nature’s laws cannot be categorized as “wrong” by our invented subjective cultural values. What is wrong is the mindset and systems we have of doing it.

ALTERNATIVES

I despise the industrial meat industry. I recognize the endless health problems wrought by a meat-based diet in this society. I consider conventional meat eating a waste of resources and a gigantic threat to the environment. I consider the consumption of another animal’s milk unjustifiably unnatural. Yet, I now stand in critique of the vegan alternative as well. The question begs to be answered exactly what I am advocating as the “perfect” diet.

The answer to which is none. If any self-proclaimed expert attempts to tell you about a magical diet or the “secret” to good health, they probably have ulterior motives. However, I could share some opinions about what generally seems like logical, healthy, and objective dietary choices.

wookiewombat
11-30-2006, 05:51 PM
and here is PART 3, i told you it was a long read but well worth your time


I would argue that one’s diet should be diverse, nutritious, clean, holistic, and above else sustainable. We, as primates, should eat primarily vegetation with a small fraction of animal protein. A good percentage of raw food needs to be incorporated into the diet. It makes sense to reduce or avoid empty calories and foods depleted of nutrients. Also, dining should be an enjoyable experience and this truth need not be completely compromised.

I am comfortable with my current views on diet that they are ethical, natural, sustainable, and otherwise sound. I still eat a predominantly vegan diet, in large part because I personally find it more trustworthy. I also don’t wish to financially support the great majority of animal industries. I consume an estimated 95 percent plant-based foods, and completely abstain from dairy. However, I occasionally eat pasture-raised eggs, both raw and cooked. And I also eat wild, sustainably caught fish. I intentionally mimic these ratios after what I believe the diet of primordial man would consist of. I can say to the dismay of the pro-meat people reading this that it has not made a huge difference in the way I feel from day to day since being vegan. However, it has made enough of a difference that I continue this category-defying diet with confidence that I am making right and healthy choices.

CONCLUSION

As much as it may sound, I am not now a loyal disciple of Weston Price, or a committed proponent of the new so-called “Paleolithic” dietary movement. I feel a great respect for the logic and principles behind these ideologies. But I feel that many have over-stated and over-exaggerated the role of meat eating in the primitive human diet, perhaps to justify their own addiction to meat. I enjoy fake beer brats as much as the vegan next to me, but certain truths cannot be ignored. I simply make the point to describe our ancestral dietary roots to dispute some of veganism’s erroneous claims. We must acknowledge these realities in order to make informed choices. I want people to know that if they do not feel well on a vegan diet, there is perhaps a reason: that it is simply unnatural.

We don’t have to choose between the American meat-based diet and veganism. If there is one truth in nature, it is balance. And our intuition about what a good diet is should prevail over all dietary trends and extremist dietary fads.

slowmtnsilhouette
11-30-2006, 06:08 PM
it was a long read, but definitely a great argument... i'll have to forward this along to some vegan friends...

viscountradu
11-30-2006, 06:10 PM
great book: http://www.amazon.com/You-Dont-Need-Meat-Peter/dp/0312303386/sr=8-1/qid=1164913809/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-6272133-7278541?ie=UTF8&s=books

ryudo
12-01-2006, 01:59 AM
If you can make water look abdtaste and have the texture of milk make lettuce smell taste and have the texture of chicken and have a veggie look taste and have the texture of various cheeses and another veggie look and taste and have the texture of eggs I will turn veggitarian.

I love fruits and salads but no way in hell am I giving up dairy and chicken and eggs unless you can do what I said.;)

Any diet can be bad for your health in some way ..hell FDA allows a certain amount of rat feces in some veggies sold in stores...plenty of people have lived long good lives and had no special or even good diet..you can go overboard with any type of diet.

Hell a month ago I got food poisoning from pizza but the tomatos on the pizza is what made me sick and no I am not allergic or in bad health and rarely get sick ..so yeah