breaking news obama has a lot of humility

[skyz]

as a Christian, I have a lot of humility (obama)

abc (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5746322&page=2)

is he serious ?

is he disingenuous ?

[rabidbadger]

What are you getting at? something specific in that 3 page article? This, that you conveniently snipped?

When asked last month at what point a baby gains human rights, Obama said last month "that whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade."

But Obama told Stephanopoulos "what I intended to say is that, as a Christian, I have a lot of humility...all I meant to communicate was that I don't presume to be able to answer these kinds of theological questions."

Obama went on to explain, "that abortion is a moral issue, that it's one that families struggle with all the time. And that in wrestling with those issues, I don't think that the government criminalizing the choices that families make is the best answer for reducing abortions."

I mean, What can show more humility to ones god than to admit you can't know everything s/he does?

[skyz]

What are you getting at? something specific in that 3 page article? This, that you conveniently snipped?



I mean, What can show more humility to ones god than to admit you can't know everything s/he does?

rabid i put the article there

for your convenience so don't play 'outrage'

he said he has a lot of humility due to his being a christian

all i want to know is if you agree that he is humble

and whether christianity has anything to do with his being humble if he is indeed humble

you like him we all know

but do you really think he has a lot of humility

did he not also say that an unexpected pregnancy was 'punishment'

do these statements correlate or not

i don't think he has a lot of humility anything but

i'm as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours

[esophagus]

What are you talking about?

Do you care to ever give any reasoning for why you think Obama is so terrible?

[phatlip12]

Humility as in he feels he should be able to better answer the question from a theological stand point but can't? Whats the issue? He's doesn't know the answer to the question from a theological stand point but feels as though he should considering he's Christian. He never said he's humiliated being a Christian. Read what badger posted in his entirety. It's taken out of context.

[esophagus]

Humility as in he feels he should be able to better answer the question from a theological stand point but can't? Whats the issue? He's doesn't know the answer to the question from a theological stand point but feels as though he should considering he's Christian. He never said he's humiliated being a Christian. Read what badger posted in his entirety. It's taken out of context.Thats not what I take from it.

He feels that just because he's a presidential candidate doesn't mean he can answer questions generally left to religion. Its "above his paygrade." He's a Christian, not God.

[phatlip12]

Thats not what I take from it.

He feels that just because he's a presidential candidate doesn't mean he can answer questions generally left to religion. Its "above his paygrade." He's a Christian, not God.

Then why the humility? Thats what my post was in reference to.

[esophagus]

Then why the humility? Thats what my post was in reference to.

Humility: the quality or condition of being humble; modest opinion or estimate of one's own importance, rank, etc.

He's being humble. He doesn't think he's important enough for people to look to him for the answer to that. They should continue looking to their religion and philosophical beliefs.

[skyz]

Then why the humility? Thats what my post was in reference to.

that was kinda my point

why throw in 'i as a chirstian have a lot of humility'

[esophagus]

that was kinda my point

why throw in 'i as a chirstian have a lot of humility'
For the reasons I just pointed out.

[phatlip12]

Humility: the quality or condition of being humble; modest opinion or estimate of one's own importance, rank, etc.

He's being humble. He doesn't think he's important enough for people to look to him for the answer to that. They should continue looking to their religion and philosophical beliefs.

Well I learned something new today. I was think humility and humiliated were basically the same words.

Ya learn something new everyday. Thanks! :)

[esophagus]

Well I learned something new today. I was think humility and humiliated were basically the same words.

Ya learn something new everyday. Thanks! :)I thought that might be the case. Anytime.

[rabidbadger]

dammit. Had a highly detailed long response to this, took so long to type it that I got "timed out" before hitting send. I will try again tomorrowl. arghh.

[ariastar]

did he not also say that an unexpected pregnancy was 'punishment'

I think that this speech was misunderstood. A punishment is a form of payment that may not be welcome, a penalty. For a lot of teenagers, finding themselves in a position of pregnancy is a punishment. They are being penalized for schools not teaching them about contraceptives.

Listen to that whole speech. He doesn't want his daughters punished for a lack of full education by things such as STDs or pregnancy. If kids aren't seeking these things, then they are the ones paying the price when it happens if they are raised ignorant to ways to help protect themselves.

I understand what he was saying, though he said it in a way that an easily be misconstrued, especially by people looking for reason to dislike him. Pregnancy is a wonderful thing for those who want it, but it is akin to a punishment for those who don't want it and didn't know how to prevent it from happening. He wants kids to have an education that includes how to prevent pregnancy and disease, and that was the point of his speech.

[skyz]

I think that this speech was misunderstood. A punishment is a form of payment that may not be welcome, a penalty. For a lot of teenagers, finding themselves in a position of pregnancy is a punishment. They are being penalized for schools not teaching them about contraceptives.

Listen to that whole speech. He doesn't want his daughters punished for a lack of full education by things such as STDs or pregnancy. If kids aren't seeking these things, then they are the ones paying the price when it happens if they are raised ignorant to ways to help protect themselves.

I understand what he was saying, though he said it in a way that an easily be misconstrued, especially by people looking for reason to dislike him. Pregnancy is a wonderful thing for those who want it, but it is akin to a punishment for those who don't want it and didn't know how to prevent it from happening. He wants kids to have an education that includes how to prevent pregnancy and disease, and that was the point of his speech.

not quite true aria

here he is in his own words

yes he said information a number of times along with morals and values

but he also said: if they make a mistake i don't want them punished with a baby (with a rising pitch emphasis on 'with a baby')

so though he fumbled about he was obviously talking abortion as there is no information or contraceptive that is going to intervene once the realization that a mistake has been made other than: abortion

and what "if they make a mistake i don't want them punished with an std" could possibly mean i have no clue if you get an std by not using information you have the std and if that std is aids there isn't anything anyone can do about it sadly

so your whole slant including

I understand what he was saying, though he said it in a way that an easily be misconstrued, especially by people looking for reason to dislike him.

doesn't hold water

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"I don't want my daughters "punished with a baby" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo)

[skyz]

Well I learned something new today. I was think humility and humiliated were basically the same words.

Ya learn something new everyday. Thanks! :)

humility is something originating from you humiliation is usually something arising from other people

very few people are so evolved that they are humiliated by their own thoughts actions and behaviors with no external negative response or reaction

[bigshotprof]

that was kinda my point

why throw in 'i as a chirstian have a lot of humility'

First, every ten seconds or so he has to remind the people in the Rust Belt that he isn't a Muslim. Second, it reinforces that his "ambition" is to serve. Jesus washed the feet of the prostitute; fed the assembled masses and cured the sick. These days, I guess they would call him a community organizer, and as Rudy and Sara made perfectly clear such a person is not to be taken seriously and needs to remember his place.

[skyz]

Jesus washed the feet of the prostitute; fed the assembled masses and cured the sick. These days, I guess they would call him a community organizer, and as Rudy and Sara made perfectly clear such a person is not to be taken seriously and needs to remember his place.

thank you for making my point

comparing him to jesus even if i am a buddhist is exactly the lack of humility that somehow he has transmitted to many of his followers

JFK MLK and JESUS get frigging real

and why i can't take him seriously

and am not willing to lay my devotion at his feet

obama has no intention of allowing himself to do any suffering for the salvation of anyone

he wants plam sunday not good friday

he'd take easter if he could get past the whole crucifixion 'thing'

this extreme of 'adoration' is what imho is going to lose him the election not racial prejudice

[bigshotprof]

thank you for making my point

comparing him to jesus even if i am a buddhist is exactly the lack of humility that somehow he has transmitted to many of his followers

JFK MLK and JESUS get frigging real

and why i can't take him seriously

and am not willing to lay my devotion at his feet

obama has no intention of allowing himself to do any suffering for the salvation of anyone

he wants plam sunday not good friday

he'd take easter if he could get past the whole crucifixion 'thing'

this extreme of 'adoration' is what imho is going to lose him the election not racial prejudice


I was not comparing him to Jesus (although Jesus probably looked more like Obama than than Jeffery Hunter did). I am suggesting that humility is the basis of real Christianity. Many of his followers thought Jesus was humble to a fault. The Zealots for instance. There is a school of thought that Judas actually ratted him out to try to force his hand. I think what Obama was saying is that despite the necessities of running for office he is NOT on an ego trip. He knows his place. When he mentioned his pay grade, he was saying that there are people whose job is to tell other people how to live--he is a volunteer.

I have never met the man, so I don't know what is in his heart, but that is what I heard him say.

[esophagus]

So. Let me understand this. You won't vote for Obama because people seem to really like him?

Edit: And not as much as they like Jesus. No one in this thread said he was like Jesus, and no real rational person has. MLK and JFK? Yes. Because they're all charismatic leaders. I don't think that means he will be as great or memorable as either of those two. He is only human, which is exactly what his humility comment meant.