Obama's verbal slip fuels his critics

[secret-steve-crumbles]

Sen. Barack Obama's foes seized Sunday upon a brief slip of the tongue, when the Democratic presidential nominee was outlining his Christianity but accidentally said, "my Muslim faith."

The three words -- immediately corrected -- were during an exchange with ABC's George Stephanopoulos on "This Week," when he was trying to criticize the quiet smear campaign suggesting he is a Muslim.
Article (http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/07/obama-verbal-slip-fuels-his-critics/)

Ouch, not good for him.

[esophagus]

Ouch. I can see how this will get taken out of context.

[ariastar]

You know, I don't care what religion he is, and for anyone to say he's less capable of doing the job for being a Muslim should look at the craptacular job the Christian in office is doing. Fuck, a Christian was behind the Holocaust.

[straylightrise]

@aria a better argument would have been: a Christian was behind the Crusades.

The holocaust wasn't a 'one religion is better than another' it was 'one religion needs to be wiped out because they are not part of the Aryan plan'

And Hitler was much as a Christian as I am female

[phatlip12]

Great. Now I'll have the pleasure of hearing racist rednecks repeat this over and over again for the next century.

[bigshotprof]

Sen. Barack Obama's foes seized Sunday upon a brief slip of the tongue, when the Democratic presidential nominee was outlining his Christianity but accidentally said, "my Muslim faith."

The three words -- immediately corrected -- were during an exchange with ABC's George Stephanopoulos on "This Week," when he was trying to criticize the quiet smear campaign suggesting he is a Muslim.
Article (http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/07/obama-verbal-slip-fuels-his-critics/)

Ouch, not good for him.

I was watching that show, and while it might be frozen in context and called a slip. he said what he meant to say--that they were trying unfairly to reinforce the myth of his Muslim faith. There is no reason to interpret it any other way.

[skyz]

@aria a better argument would have been: a Christian was behind the Crusades.

The holocaust wasn't a 'one religion is better than another' it was 'one religion needs to be wiped out because they are not part of the Aryan plan'

And Hitler was much as a Christian as I am female

christians were the inquisition

there is as much ugly done in the name of christianity as any other religion

[burkhartmj]

Uh, more like there is as much ugly done for any major reason [science included] as is done in the name of Christianity.

Christianity was just used as an excuse during the Crusades to attack a culture [muslims] that was encroaching on western cultures. And it miserably failed [read: muslims beat the shit out of the "Christians"].

The inquisition was a legalistic and therefore inherently misguided application of a single out of context bible-verse from the Old Testament, which the New Covenant [Jesus] nullified a lot of.

[skyz]

Uh, more like there is as much ugly done for any major reason [science included] as is done in the name of Christianity.

Christianity was just used as an excuse during the Crusades to attack a culture [muslims] that was encroaching on western cultures. And it miserably failed [read: muslims beat the shit out of the "Christians"].

The inquisition was a legalistic and therefore inherently misguided application of a single out of context bible-verse from the Old Testament, which the New Covenant [Jesus] nullified a lot of.

and the issues and blood shed over catholic and protestant

that was christinanity ugly on both sides

[frankiethewaffle]

Ouch. I can see how this will get taken out of context.

I chose to Quote this as I have recently talked to people in Israel that fear Obamas' still a Muslim. Forgive them anyway. No one on the planet is under constant attack from extremist Muslims like Israel. I didn't argue, I just understood.

When I read the lead to this story, it sounded like Obama stumbled to correct what he said. He did not. Even the correction wasn't to correct what He did or did not say himself, but what McCain did or did not to choose to attack him with. That is where his mind was.

Freud wasn't good enough to read into this mistake.

I am not falling in behind Obama. Just being objective.

Still not voting.

[frankiethewaffle]

Oh to follow.

For the sub-subject.

It is the truth that more people have been killed in that name of GOD than for any other reason.

Any GOD, Every GOD. Will always be true.

I find, enough belief in a story strong enough to kill, preys on the weak minded. ("To Kill a Mockingbird." Read about serial killers that commonly had the book on them.) It applies to all literature. Even Biblical ones.

I am not saying anyone should be an Atheist. Believe in what ever to better yourself. Just not at the expense of others. Nearly Hindu. Truly. But, I am not converting.

PS. I have read all religions' books, just to understand. I will just settle in my birth right. What I was given.

[tokenuser]

christians were the inquisitionAlmost ... a particular sect of the Christian faith was to blame for that one ... the Catholic Church, and it was created to squash an upstart splinter group founded by Martin Luther - the Protestants ... from spreading into Spain and her colonies.

[masherscf]

Almost ... a particular sect of the Christian faith was to blame for that one ... the Catholic Church, and it was created to squash an upstart splinter group founded by Martin Luther - the Protestants ... from spreading into Spain and her colonies.

Critics of various religious traditions sometimes forget that there was a time when political power and religious power in western Europe were one and the same. Most coercive attempts to convert different religious sects to the Roman Catholic faith were to bring populations into the political fold. Indeed, the Roman Catholic church spent as much time slaughtering competing Christian traditions as Jews and Muslims. Most of the major political disputes and wars in western Europe during the middle ages were entirely justified by religion and were almost all Christian-on-Christian. The reformation was particularly bloody.

The founding father's of this country were well aware of this history when they separated the Church firmly from the state. Despite recent revisionist history to the contrary, many of the founding fathers, including Washington, where Christians on paper only.

Most atrocities performed in the name of religion in history were politically motived. Such things can also be done in name of nationalism, ethnic purity or economics.

[secret-steve-crumbles]

MGMQ5DpVVTM

[skyz]

Critics of various religious traditions sometimes forget that there was a time when political power and religious power in western Europe were one and the same. Most coercive attempts to convert different religious sects to the Roman Catholic faith were to bring populations into the political fold. Indeed, the Roman Catholic church spent as much time slaughtering competing Christian traditions as Jews and Muslims. Most of the major political disputes and wars in western Europe during the middle ages were entirely justified by religion and were almost all Christian-on-Christian. The reformation was particularly bloody.

Most atrocities performed in the name of religion in history were politically motived. Such things can also be done in name of nationalism, ethnic purity or economics.

henry VIII and then queen mary followed by queen elizabeth I

really kept people in jeopardy

being protestant or catholic put you in jeopardy of your life as the rulers changed or changed their minds

capricious = treacherous

[skyz]

Almost ... a particular sect of the Christian faith was to blame for that one ... the Catholic Church, and it was created to squash an upstart splinter group founded by Martin Luther - the Protestants ... from spreading into Spain and her colonies.

they got joan of arc and almost got galileo

[esophagus]

MGMQ5DpVVTMYeah, so by "corrected his mistake" they meant "explained that he did mean Muslim."