I Wish We Had A Leader Like This

[njshadow]

Yeah, yeah, I know it's just a speech from a movie, but I really wish we could have a leader with these same ideals regarding integrity, courage and character. I've seen this move on many times but never actually sat and watched it. Then I saw Al Pacino with this speech and I realized that we need someone with these kinds of ideals. also, it's a shame that candidates always have to be fuzzy around the edges and friendly 24/7 cause' I would gladly vote for someone who promotes their ideas with such passion. I wish we had a speaker like this! :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKAxnB6Ap4o&feature=related

[phatlip12]

<Insert George Bush joke here>

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/ScarfacePacino.jpg

[tokenuser]

You do have a speaker like that ... but I don't think your prejudices would let you listen to what he has to say.

[xibalba]

You do have a speaker like that ... but I don't think your prejudices would let you listen to what he has to say.

That's why I don't think he will win. People won't look past their prejudice.

America is full of stupid people who prefer to hate instead of accept one another.

[njshadow]

You do have a speaker like that ... but I don't think your prejudices would let you listen to what he has to say.

Actually, I don't think McCain OR Obama has the ability to speak this way or would risk people not iking them for talking tough even when it's not popular.

I know that you were just trying to get off one of your arrogant cheap shots cause' I don't have any prejudice against either candidate. So what, I think McCain is better, ohhhhh, does that make me prejudice? No, it doesn't. Although I can say that I'm excited either way. Whether it's McCain or Obama it'll be nice to see a fresh face in the White House, whether it be white or black. And yes, I know prejudice doesn't just have to do with race but pretty much everything else as well. Are you saying that Obama speaks like that? Heck no! Of course you might see it that way cause' your one of his supporters. See, at least I can admit that the guy I'm supporting wouldn't be able to speak half as well as Pacino did.

[secret-steve-crumbles]

You do have a speaker like that ... but I don't think your prejudices would let you listen to what he has to say.Right... it's not that we disagree or don't think he isn't the second coming, it's because we're prejudice.

[tokenuser]

I know that you were just trying to get off one of your arrogant cheap shots cause' I don't have any prejudice against either candidate. So what, I think McCain is better, ohhhhh, does that make me prejudice? No, it doesn't.Integrity, courage, character - wrapped up in a package, and delivered by an expert and motivational orrator. Thats what you are asking for.

Obama has recognised that McCain has courage, and character. He questions the integrity a little based on the "Maverick" persona - while voting with Bush 95% of the time. And he delivers his speeches with passion - regardless of whether it is via a teleprompter or if it is a stump speech.

You want a leader like that? If that is your selection criteria, and you created the thread, then regardless of political affiliations, Obama is the one you need to look at.

I am certain he would deliver Pacino's monologue from Scent of a Woman, or the Motivation speech by Alec Baldwin in Glengarry Glen Rose with equal passion. I am not sure McCain could. Even in Palin's recent speeches, McCain looked half asleep. No fire. No passion. He needs a media and public speaking makeover to come even close to Obama in the presentation department. Chanting USA USA USA over and over is not going to wake him up.

[njshadow]

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(Sorry I didn't quote the whole message, PS3 character limit)
See, that's my predicament. Before the presidential run started, when I first saw Obama I was REALLY excited about him because of the way he presented himself and spoke. (Now you've got me thinking) I'm actually still really excited about Obama but perhaps in the back of my mind I find that McCain is the better and/or safer pick. Obama could go either way, either great or horrendus considering he's so into change. Also, even though I do an ok job of keeping up with politics and don't go as in-depth as I should sometimes, I tend to hear negative things surrounding Obama. Even though being a POW doesn't necessarily mean your fit to run the country, it still stands for something in my book. Heh, I guess in the end no one can win this debate precisely because we can't predict the future. But to get back on topic, I really don't think either candidate can speak with that kind of passion.
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[njshadow]

When either of the candidates speak, they are doing it to get votes. They don't speak reagardless of popularity or votes which is usually where you find the real character. Pacino was pretty much pissed when he was speaking and, well, REALLY wanted to get ihis point across and he did it beautifully. I've yet to see a candidate with anger like that that would really stir the crowd. (Kind of like a preacher but not necessarily having to do with God)

[phatlip12]

Right... it's not that we disagree or don't think he isn't the second coming, it's because we're prejudice.

Agreed. I think it's stupid to assume a person is prejudice all because they're not voting for a particular person.

[skyz]

Agreed. I think it's stupid to assume a person is prejudice all because they're not voting for a particular person.

thank you kyle

some people are wary of someone whose apparent (to us at least) best attributes are soaring rhetoric and charisma as in history there are a goodly number of charismatic leaders that did not do actual good service to those they led

i don't feel inclined to give him more credit then i think imho is due him

to be labeled prejudiced because of that i find objectionable


on a personal level as an analogy i am not into guys who are in too much of a hurry to get serious with me

i'm not the type that is going to give the keys to my house or my heart to someone so fast

and i have had many a sweet talker try to convince me that i should

obama wants a lot for what appears to me imho as very little assurance that it is going to work for me

i don't trust him not because he has done anything necessarily untrustworthy but that imho he has not done sufficient to incline me to trust him


in another analogy if he were asking for serious vc $ to go into biz the vc people might find his biz plan and his track record unconvincing and might decide to pass

when jay went for vc capital for example he had the experience he had the credentials there was no question about it

when google went to john doerr they actually did not but he made the a biggest investment on the smallest % he has ever done

in that case it was solid but google had to make it solid

he was betting they had what it took and they did

obama may or may not have 'the right stuff''

i'm not saying he doesn't but i am also not willing to say he does

i knew gwb was bad news the first time i saw his face on tv in 1998 or 1999

my first thought pure intuitive reaction was 'you'll be old enough to vote you better vote'

and my intuition was spot on

if i had voted for bush i would be ashamed of myself

deeply ashamed

[tokenuser]

I'd just like to point out why I said prejudiced above.

NJS was highlighting a speech being delivered by an articulate man that was empassioned about his subject matter. I know he (NJS) is conservative, and would not look at Obama.

The leader who comes across like that - articulate, empassioned, empathetic to the common man is Barack Obama, not John McCain.

I am not talking about policy, or being left wing or right wing or centre left outfield. I am talking about charisma and a powerful public speaking presence.

McCain is not that person.

On all other facets - integrity, character, courage ... I think its pretty much a wash. They both acknowledge each other as possessing those traits - and the mutual admiration across party lines is making things unusual.

But McCain does not have the stage presence, or the charisma to pull off a speech like Pacino made in that movie.

Why the prejudice comment? Being unable to look past the partisan politics to see those traits in someone who is obviously "the opposition", just because you dont agree with the policy, doesn't mean they don't posses other qualities that you do find admirable (as illustrated by the movie clip).

[masherscf]

As long as we're picking Fantasy Presidents. I'll take John Marshell as played by Harrison Ford in "Air Force One."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d4/Air_Force_One.jpg/405px-Air_Force_One.jpg

[bigshotprof]

Here's why we can't have leaders like this. First, the panel doesn't vote to keep Robin in school; they want to act on principle, but they know that if they don't punish someonean external investigation would embarrass important people with deep pockets. Charlie doesn't have the scratch to defend himself, so he's the fall guy.

In order to make that stick, they have to discredit his defender. They leak a couple of excerpts out of context--"I'd take a flame thrower to this place" for instance to the right talking heads, get a couple of busboys at the restaurants where he gets drunk and dances with much younger women to make up some rumors, if they want to play hardball even suggest "What exactly is the relationship between this man and this young boy anyway.?"

And we would EAT IT UP!!!

Jimmy Carter was right; people get the leader they deserve, and America at the turn of the century has gotten too small, to petty to deserve an inspiring leader. Sorry, but it's true. We don't want a leader; we want a nanny. In what other state than the United States of Anemia could Bill Clinton be considered a "great" president? Where else could a pointless buffoon like George Bush even think of becoming President?

Unfortunately "the leader" is like the teacher in the old saying. Not until the follow is ready will he/she come.

I apologize for my outburst. I will now go write captions for Phatty's picture.

[bigshotprof]

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e100/bigshotprof/Yale.jpg

[skyz]

As long as we're picking Fantasy Presidents. I'll take John Marshell as played by Harrison Ford in "Air Force One."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d4/Air_Force_One.jpg/405px-Air_Force_One.jpg

i agree

harrison ford is the better actor

plus he has the whole indiana jones hero thing going for him a man of action

i'm voting for harrison ford

[bigshotprof]

As inspirational speeches go, I choose this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCHTzumpk4Q

[xibalba]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chqi8m4CEEY

[guytheninja]

As inspirational speeches go, I choose this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCHTzumpk4Q

Anything involving Bill Murray, John Candy, and Harold Ramis instantly falls in the "inspirational speech" category.

[guytheninja]

Jimmy Carter was right; people get the leader they deserve, and America at the turn of the century has gotten too small, to petty to deserve an inspiring leader. Sorry, but it's true. We don't want a leader; we want a nanny. In what other state than the United States of Anemia could Bill Clinton be considered a "great" president? Where else could a pointless buffoon like George Bush even think of becoming President?

Unfortunately "the leader" is like the teacher in the old saying. Not until the follow is ready will he/she come.

I apologize for my outburst. I will now go write captions for Phatty's picture.

Yea, we need the founding fathers to come back and save the day. Those guys got the job done. They sure told George III where he could... well you know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8U4T1IH1C8&feature=related

Sure its a loose modern representation of the signing of the Declaration of Independance, but I'm sure they were great rappers anyway :D.

"Ancient like a mariner" --- wildly hilarious.

[bigshotprof]

Yea, we need the founding fathers to come back and save the day. Those guys got the job done. They sure told George III where he could... well you know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8U4T1IH1C8&feature=related

Sure its a loose modern representation of the signing of the Declaration of Independance, but I'm sure they were great rappers anyway :D.

"Ancient like a mariner" --- wildly hilarious.



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