Please tone it down with the computer talk

[pplufthesun]

I really want to enjoy the show, I've never watched before, but what makes it almost unwatchable for me is the "noob" "leet" type of language. It just sounds forced. Could you please tone that down?

[hak5matt]

Yea, we were a bit heavy on that, we'll take that into account going forward.

Thanks pplufthesun,
Matt

[unhap]

computer talk good.

script kiddie talk bad.

glad to see the show coming to rev3 though

also, someone said you guys are in Norfolk, VA, is that right?

[cheech151337]

Yikes, first episode and there are cries to nerf the content already. Makes me wonder if a show like this will actually survive on Rev3.

[andyaldrich]

PCs became far too easy the moment reassigning IRQs was no longer required when installing a new device :) (just joking)

In truth I hope this show survives as we need some more non-website review/interview (ie non GigaOm/PopSiren/Diggnation/Digg Reel etc.) shows, which is why I'm glad Alex Albrecht is thinking about his crockpot show...I secretly cry over the lack of Ctrl+Alt+Chicken :(

[snubs]

But... but... Darren really is a n00b.

Ok, I'm jokin. Seriously.

Unhap, we're from Williamsburg, so pretty close to Norfolk!

[tokenuser]

But... but... Darren really is a n00b.He's only a n00b if you pwn him.

[shinku]

The thing is, if you tone down the language much more, you end up with... well, something not very advanced. The tips in the lower thirds should help (perhaps a few more wouldn't go amiss) and anything you don't understand you could google, it'll help you learn.

[pplufthesun]

The thing is, if you tone down the language much more, you end up with... well, something not very advanced. The tips in the lower thirds should help (perhaps a few more wouldn't go amiss) and anything you don't understand you could google, it'll help you learn.

I know most of them, but when the words are thrown around too frequently, they just sound forced.

[hak5matt]

I dont' think pplufthesun is talking about content of the show, but some of the 1337 adjectives and verbs we use. Noob, leet, pwn, etc. We'll try and keep that in check and not sound like we're a bunch of 9 year olds on set ;)

[snubs]

But being a kid is fun!!!!

Oh alright, I'll be good.

[IanPR]

Ian's Rules of Life #26

NEVER use the word "noob" in public X|

[tokenuser]

Ian's Rules of Life #26

NEVER use the word "noob" in public X|n00b is only acceptable in public if you are about to ROFLMAO.

[umpagawa]

There is alot of people out there that use leet all the time because of online culture. It is not just computer but gamers. Go on XBOX Live and talk to some of the peeps that are ranked 50 on Halo 3 and see who all speaks leet.

[IanPR]

But they're all [removed] ...
Seriously.. they all think they are the best, and they are total douchebags to everyone that has a life.


===[ You might want to go read the forums Rules of Conduct (http://revision3.com/forum/showthread.php?t=703) ... esp points 2 & 3 ... there are better ways to say some things - T/U ]===

[gonzooo]

But they're all [removed]
I'd like it if you watched what you say.

[murphy1d]

If someone can't google a term or go to urban dictionary to find the answer, they might not be the right target market anyways...I'm just sayin.

[vash]

Oh ha didn't see this, but am I the only one that likes trying to figure out the speak/terms? I mean I have no problem if you guys want to explain something for a little bit but let's not spend a whole lot of time going indepth on a term. That's why I love this show.

[esophagus]

But they're all [***]...
Seriously.. they all think they are the best, and they are total douchebags to everyone that has a life.Dude. Not cool. Not cool at all.




*** I'm hoping this gets edited out of the original post, so I might as well edit it out of my post.

[tokenuser]

Dude. Not cool. Not cool at all.Yeah ... editted out. Even in a forum where the profanity filter has been turned off, there are ways to say things ... and ways to say thing.

[IanPR]

Sorry guys.
Words change meanings a little too fast.
Sorry if I offended anyone.

[maxhdrm]

I dont' think pplufthesun is talking about content of the show, but some of the 1337 adjectives and verbs we use. Noob, leet, pwn, etc. We'll try and keep that in check and not sound like we're a bunch of 9 year olds on set ;)
What so you should be tasteless and dry? While I agree any given show shouldn't go over board on anything, trending tech talk is savvy to the industry and not necessarily indicative of an age level but rather geekness.

This is after all a tech teaching show so instead of just watching...learn. What you don't know look up

As with all things let's give this new team a warm Rev3 welcome and at least give them a try.

[secret-steve-crumbles]

Yea, we were a bit heavy on that, we'll take that into account going forward.

Thanks pplufthesun,
Matt
OMG, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NO.

Watch TekZilla if you want PC-101.

Please God don't destroy HAK5.

[burkhartmj]

OMG, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NO.

Watch TekZilla if you want PC-101.

Please God don't destroy HAK5.

Dude. Read. They aren't toning down the tech level, just the 12 year old XBox live language.

Unless you really love terms like pwn and noob that much, then we have a completely different set of problems.

[esophagus]

Sorry guys.
Words change meanings a little too fast.
Sorry if I offended anyone.That is what that word has always meant. You probably just didn't care until recently.

[peppersghost]

I used to be like that, but now I refuse to ever use the word noob and it has taken me far, haha.

[master1228]

As long as the elite hacking info and content remains top notch, I could care less if they overuse (in some peoples opinions) the 1337 speak.

[quickliketheninja]

Snubs, you're gonna have to change your sig :p jk jk

Honestly, didn't see an issue. It's part of the culture and part of the jargon. Plus, the show does include hardcore gamer stuff. If you don't talk the talk, you'll never really be able to walk the walk. Ok, maybe that reasoning is a bit thin. But at the same time, I'm not exactly interested in watching Masterpiece Theater for computers. :)

[peppersghost]

Snubs, you're gonna have to change your sig :p jk jk

Honestly, didn't see an issue. It's part of the culture and part of the jargon. Plus, the show does include hardcore gamer stuff. If you don't talk the talk, you'll never really be able to walk the walk. Ok, maybe that reasoning is a bit thin. But at the same time, I'm not exactly interested in watching Masterpiece Theater for computers. :)

I don't use that internet talk, let's see how good I do in the lan party.

[burkhartmj]

Snubs, you're gonna have to change your sig :p jk jk

Honestly, didn't see an issue. It's part of the culture and part of the jargon. Plus, the show does include hardcore gamer stuff. If you don't talk the talk, you'll never really be able to walk the walk. Ok, maybe that reasoning is a bit thin. But at the same time, I'm not exactly interested in watching Masterpiece Theater for computers. :)

it's not really a part of the culture anymore outside of Halo. Whenever playing CoD4 [PC], only people who use grenade launchers or hack are called noobs, and even then it's o's not 0's. The best players I've seen [usually between 60 and 115 kills per game] are the ones who are always respectful and mature when they talk. I don't really care if they use the vocabulary or grammar of an english professor, just cutting back on forcibly injecting cliche "gaming" terms [that parents and the media use to belittle gaming no less] into a conversation that doesn't require them.

[snubs]

Snubs, you're gonna have to change your sig :p jk jk


I love my sig!

[quickliketheninja]

I was kidding on the gaming thing, that's why I said the reasoning was thin.

I still don't think it should be such a big deal. Let 'em be themselves.

[peppersghost]

I love my sig!

It's so colorful...

[Bret]

I really want to enjoy the show, I've never watched before, but what makes it almost unwatchable for me is the "noob" "leet" type of language. It just sounds forced. Could you please tone that down?
...honestly If you dont enjoy that language or how they work, I dont see how you will enjoy the content.

[hak5darren]

We'll keep using the jargon of the culture just as we always had, but thanks for bringing it to our attention because I agree, after watching back 401/402 I see that it was a lot heavier than our norm. (I'm at fault, I got overly excited with my pineapple)

Also, jargon in this culture transforms. Back in the mid 90s noob was lamer and leet was k-rad, at least on the DalNet channels I hung out on. Look it up ;)

[secret-steve-crumbles]

...at least on the DalNet channels I hung out on. Ah, old school DalNet. Back when you could get any porn movie you wanted by using an exclamation point. Of course I only got them for the backups of movies I already had.

[snubs]

Ah, old school DalNet. Back when you could get any porn movie you wanted by using an exclamation point. Of course I only got them for the backups of movies I already had.


:eek:

[ravenscroft]

(I'm at fault, I got overly excited with my pineapple)


Does this happen often........do you need therapy for this condition?

I think the content doesn't REALLY suffer from the language unless you just n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b,n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, leet, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b, n00b.

Then it might get a little confusing, and we would have to commit you.

[tokenuser]

Does this happen often........do you need therapy for this condition?

I think the content doesn't REALLY suffer from the language unless you just NooB, Noob, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, leet, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB, NooB.

Then it might get a little confusing, and we would have to commit you.n00b ... its n00b not NooB :p

[ravenscroft]

n00b ... its n00b not NooB :p


Who shot who in the what now? ;)


Thank You Sir.

[hak5darren]

Ah, old school DalNet. Back when you could get any porn movie you wanted by using an exclamation point. Of course I only got them for the backups of movies I already had.

My Fserve has a 5/1 ratio, 8 slots and ISDN DCC. !hak5darren

That brings back memories

[secret-steve-crumbles]

My Fserve has a 5/1 ratio, 8 slots and ISDN DCC. !hak5darren

That brings back memoriesThis may be a little too old school, but what about all the sub7 bot rooms? I still remember the "uh-oh!" ICQ page sound to this day.

[hak5darren]

Never too oldschool. And yeah, I remember sub7. AFAIK the ICQ uh-oh is used by WS_FTP as well. I too smile when I hear it.

[gonzooo]

Ahh; NetBus, Back Orifice, Sub7, Blade-Runner...

I'd like to go back to myself when I was 11-12 years old and slap myself around for using that stuff, then send myself out of the room, play around with it a few moments just to relive it, then get to work on teaching my younger self how to be able to code those things and so much more.

I had my friends stay over one weekend and we just spied on some poor girl in England (Lancaster), doing straight surveillance on her (writing down contacts, spying on conversations, just gathering info). It's sort of creepy, and I'm glad I found computer security is more fun when you just focus on the exploits themselves, instead of using them against people.

[njshadow]

No no no no no, DO NOT tone the computer talk down. I may not be a computer expert but I also love Hak5 for the learning experience, the same thing goes for theBroken which is no more.

[ckrieger]

Yeah, please DON'T tone it down on the computer talk. I enjoy my fair share of n00b and pwn in my daily sentences, but if that has to be toned down so be it. Keep the level you guys are at, because the part that drives me crazy about a lot of the Rev3 shows is that they aren't technical enough so that they appeal to a wider audience. This show needs to stay the same. Keep up the good work Hak5 crew!

[hak5darren]

Don't worry we're not getting less technical, more in fact. The "computer talk" being referred to was the leet hax0r speak. And that only needs to be fine tuned by a single notch ;)

[torx]

everyone needs to cool it, let the guys talk how they want..

i get a kick out of actually hearing people saying noob, wtf, etc etc outside of the internet. I guess im so used to READING it all through the years..

although in public i prefer to use my own term "nubster", "nubbie", "nubcock" etc etc.

[esophagus]

I think nubcock means something different. ;)

[durham4556]

i totally agree with this thread, they use so much jargon i can't follow a show all the way through its offputting, its not very entertaining when the audience feels dumb

[angrypenguin]

I love the vocabulary of this show. I am a linux user and was once a complete noob. But if it wasn't for the wiser users pointing me to the manpages, using linux jargon, and forcing me to use the CLI, I never would have learned it. Using new vocabularies is what encourages new users to seek out information and teach themselves. This is the most conducive way to learn.

Hand holding only enables you to depend on others for the things you need. Eventually you have to stand on your own two feet and developing a foundation based on new words and research is the best way to do that.

So in conclusion, keep up the good work guys. Please don't dumb down the vocabulary for the "n00bs". If you don't want to have to learn anything on your own and want everything served up on a nice platter, watch tekzilla or systm for how-to's that give you the step by step that require no thinking on your part.

*I wasn't slamming tekzilla or systm, I watch both. The styles are just completely different. :-)

[sphinxer]

I agree with the not so calm penguin above. This is exactly what I was worried about when I heard that the show would be moving to Rev3. Every other show that I've liked here has eventually been dumbed down until it is boring for anybody with the least bit of technical insight (okay, apart from Diggnation but that one was never about tech in the same way). Tekzilla (which was originally a "replacement" for InDigital) has become nothing more than a low-tech Q&A show. Systm has been dumbed down to a shadow of what it used to be. theBroken is no more, etc.
I seriously hope that this is not the direction that Hak5 is going. It's bad enough that without Wess we will have less cool electronics hacks. Don't ruin the show by trying to make it mainstream applicable.

To me Hak5 has always been about putting the information out there. Then there will be people who will use it to go "pwn some n00bs", and others who will use it to protect themselves (and others) from getting pwned. Darren seems to represent the first part (at least in way of speaking) while Matt seems to represent the second part. And it has never been about catering to the lowest common denominator. Sure the l33t-speak might be unnecessary, but it's part of the culture and it's always been part of the show. Removing it would not make the show unwatchable, but it's a slippery slope guys. Honestly, fake ads like the "haxor flakes" and the n00b roasting one, are among some of my favourite non-factual content of the show, and if stuff like that goes away then I think it would subtract some of the goodness from the show.

In short: Keep the show as it is guys, and don't listen to the whining from people who are not the target audience. Let the low tech people watch the low tech shows, so the rest of us can watch Hak5 in peace.

[randyisarealboy]

I agree with the not so calm penguin above. This is exactly what I was worried about when I heard that the show would be moving to Rev3. Every other show that I've liked here has eventually been dumbed down until it is boring for anybody with the least bit of technical insight (okay, apart from Diggnation but that one was never about tech in the same way). Tekzilla (which was originally a "replacement" for InDigital) has become nothing more than a low-tech Q&A show. Systm has been dumbed down to a shadow of what it used to be. theBroken is no more, etc.
I seriously hope that this is not the direction that Hak5 is going. It's bad enough that without Wess we will have less cool electronics hacks. Don't ruin the show by trying to make it mainstream applicable.

To me Hak5 has always been about putting the information out there. Then there will be people who will use it to go "pwn some n00bs", and others who will use it to protect themselves (and others) from getting pwned. Darren seems to represent the first part (at least in way of speaking) while Matt seems to represent the second part. And it has never been about catering to the lowest common denominator. Sure the l33t-speak might be unnecessary, but it's part of the culture and it's always been part of the show. Removing it would not make the show unwatchable, but it's a slippery slope guys. Honestly, fake ads like the "haxor flakes" and the n00b roasting one, are among some of my favourite non-factual content of the show, and if stuff like that goes away then I think it would subtract some of the goodness from the show.

In short: Keep the show as it is guys, and don't listen to the whining from people who are not the target audience. Let the low tech people watch the low tech shows, so the rest of us can watch Hak5 in peace.

aye aye

[esophagus]

I think everyone is misinterpreting the title.

He wants to tone down the leetspeech. Not the tech-talk. You're all safe.