Forget the left vs. right for a second... [Archive]

secret-steve-crumbles

09-11-2008, 12:48 AM

tokenuser

09-11-2008, 01:21 AM

I know it's hard to believe that someone in California is a Democrat, but I have a question. And forget left vs. right for a second. I don't even want to discuss what he's saying in the video because it has nothing to do with my point.

First, here's the video:
http://www.breitbart.tv/html/171553.html

Now, why in the fuck is Matt Damon so important that we need to hear what he thinks about this?I saw that on TV earlier. Made me wonder the same thing ... but it got me thinking.

He knows what a bad script looks like.

Imagine him sitting down with his buddy Ben, over a couple of beers. Jen walks in ...

Ben: "Honey ... tell Matt about that last script you got ..."
Jen: "They wanted me to play a hockey Mom ... in Alaska. Can you believe it? We fell on hard times, my daughter was pregnant ..."
Matt: "Is this acoal miners daughter kinda thing?"
Ben: "Nah ... let her finish."
Jen: "I wanted to make a difference in the world ... clearing the forests of wolves so I could hunt more moose .. making it safer for putting in an oil pipeline. Whatever. So, I got my friends together, and had they elected me as the mayor of a small town."
Matt: "Sound like the Coen boys again ..."
Ben: "More like Dukes of Hazzard."
Jen: "Shhhh. I'm tellin this story ... anyway I become mayor. Then I fight for money to build a palace ... OK, a bridge."
Matt: "Where did the bridge go?"
Jen: "that not important. I fought for the bridge. Then when I couldn't get the money, I fought the crooked Governor and his daughter so I could get the money for the bridge. Then I became the Governor, and got the money we needed for the bridge by a back door. That kinda thinking made me popular in Washington, so the decided to make me VP."
Matt: "Wow. That sounds like a really bad Disney movie ... the Weinsteins picked it up huh?"
Ben: "Sad, isn't it. Hey! Look at that Top Gun is on TV again. I love Maverick's wingman."

esophagus

09-11-2008, 01:23 AM

Because he's constantly in the public eye. His endorsement, sad as it is, will get votes. Personally, I would rather see Matt Damon put some tohught in it and do an interview about Sarah Palin than look at a photo of him at the McDonalds drive-thru. I really don't see what the problem is. There are plenty of videos, I'm sure, of totally ordinary citizens giving there thoughts.

A total aside, I don't want the thread to derail this way, if you feel like responding to this start a new thread: I have relatives that don't believe in dinosaurs. It wasn't long ago that I found this out. I really didn't think people could be THAT closeminded.

bigshotprof

09-11-2008, 01:26 AM

I saw that on TV earlier. Made me wonder the same thing ... but it got me thinking.

He knows what a bad script looks like.

Imagine him sitting down with his buddy Ben, over a couple of beers. Jen walks in ...

Ben: "Honey ... tell Matt about that last script you got ..."
Jen: "They wanted me to play a hockey Mom ... in Alaska. Can you believe it? We fell on hard times, my daughter was pregnant ..."
Matt: "Is this acoal miners daughter kinda thing?"
Ben: "Nah ... let her finish."
Jen: "I wanted to make a difference in the world ... clearing the forests of wolves so I could hunt more moose .. making it safer for putting in an oil pipeline. Whatever. So, I got my friends together, and had they elected me as the mayor of a small town."
Matt: "Sound like the Coen boys again ..."
Ben: "More like Dukes of Hazzard."
Jen: "Shhhh. I'm tellin this story ... anyway I become mayor. Then I fight for money to build a palace ... OK, a bridge."
Matt: "Where did the bridge go?"
Jen: "that not important. I fought for the bridge. Then when I couldn't get the money, I fought the crooked Governor and his daughter so I could get the money for the bridge. Then I became the Governor, and got the money we needed for the bridge by a back door. That kinda thinking made me popular in Washington, so the decided to make me VP."
Matt: "Wow. That sounds like a really bad Disney movie ... the Weinsteins picked it up huh?"
Ben: "Sad, isn't it. Hey! Look at that Top Gun is on TV again. I love Maverick's wingman."

It would still be better than Daredevil.

tokenuser

09-11-2008, 01:28 AM

It would still be better than Daredevil.I think they wanted to call it "Oilektra".

secret-steve-crumbles

09-11-2008, 01:28 AM

Because he's constantly in the public eye. His endorsement, sad as it is, will get votes.That's true. Very sad.

Personally, I would rather see Matt Damon put some tohught in itYea, that might help. It sort of hurts him when his first few sentences are:

"...and I think that's a really scary thing. Because I don't know anything about her."

Umm..... hrm....

Even still, it's just some random fucking dudes opinion. That'd be like you seeing on whatever news channel you guys watch...

"TONIGHT: CRUMBLES, FORUM POSTER, THOUGHTS ON OBAMA"

Like seriously. Who the FUCK cares.

I almost wish people wouldn't do this. I like his movies, but now I'm going to always remember what an idiot I think he is. I almost wish REV3 people didn't publicly announce their support. Like Kevin's Obama sticker on his laptop. Save that for off air. Fuck.

Granted REV3 is obviously hardcore left, but there are some non-lefties out there who are going to tune in and see that and go.. oh... here we go... It may not lose too many people, but why lose any at all? Does he really think someone is going to see that and go, Fuck, that's it, he just made up my mind, it's Obama for me!

tokenuser

09-11-2008, 01:34 AM

Yea, that might help. It sort of hurts him when his first few sentences are:

"...and I think that's a really scary thing. Because I don't know anything about her."I think thats actually a sentiment that is pretty common right now. Unless you give a flying fuck about Alaska, you are asking yourself "Who the hell is this woman?"

Looking forward to the photo op as Private Palin is deployed to Iraq, it will make a great background shot for the first interview with ABC.

I don't think that will happen as Captain Biden gets deployed next month. People know who Joe Biden is.

secret-steve-crumbles

09-11-2008, 01:55 AM

I think thats actually a sentiment that is pretty common right now. Unless you give a flying fuck about Alaska, you are asking yourself "Who the hell is this woman?"
Well, my point was:

"I'm scared to hell about her!"

"why?"

"I don't even know her!"

"So why are you scared of her?"

"I'm Matt Damon!"

phatlip12

09-11-2008, 02:21 AM

Does he really think someone is going to see that and go, Fuck, that's it, he just made up my mind, it's Obama for me!

Dude, honestly? Yeah. I really hate to say this but I could see this happening.

Whens the last time you checked out the Diggnation forums? That place is downright scary sometimes. There are people out there that want to know what kind of razor Kevin uses so they can use the same. Scary shit man.

secret-steve-crumbles

09-11-2008, 02:33 AM

There are people out there that want to know what kind of razor Kevin uses so they can use the same. Scary shit man.I refuse to believe that. Are you serious?

esophagus

09-11-2008, 02:37 AM

I refuse to believe that. Are you serious?
He isn't lying. Just spend some time filtering through the threads.

"Hey, what shoes was Kevin wearing?"
"Hey, does Kevin use product in his hair, I would like to use it too."
"I bet Kevin smells nice, what kind of soap is he using?"
"Where can I buy Kevin's pants?"
"Is Kevin voting Obama, because Matt Damon is so I'm pretty much already convinced."

xibalba

09-11-2008, 02:38 AM

I refuse to believe that. Are you serious?

Every week or two someone post wanting to know what brand of shoes, clothes, and other stuff he wears/has. Kevin is just a internet celeb, just imagine what kind of people are fans of a huge hollywood stars and live on their every word.

tokenuser

09-11-2008, 02:42 AM

He isn't lying. Just spend some time filtering through the threads.You forgot the couch thread - and REAL early in the forums someone wanting to know what colour Kevin's wall was (behind them on Diggnation).

Creepy ... so someone voting Obama because that nice young man Matt Damon said to on Entertainment Tonight ... not a stretch at all.

comhcinc

09-11-2008, 03:01 AM

esophagus

09-11-2008, 03:41 AM

secret-steve-crumbles

09-11-2008, 10:59 AM

matt damon is a private citizen. he has a right to speak his mind just like everyone else.

you say this isn't a left or right thing but it really is. you never hear people bitching about clint eastwood or bruce willis "shooting their mouths off".

fact of the matter is if you would have agreed with matt damon you would have never said a word.Um, no. I could care less what he or any other "actor" said.

You seem to just want to cause conflict. This isn't about there being a problem with his opinion. This is about "Matt Damon's" opinion counting more than yours because he's an "actor."

Try to keep up, OK?

tokenuser

09-11-2008, 12:40 PM

Um, no. I could care less what he or any other "actor" said.What about Arnold Schwarzenegger, Ronald Reagan, or Fred Thompson? :p

skyz

09-11-2008, 01:29 PM

I refuse to believe that. Are you serious?

oh yes he is spot on serious

people have this *fan* gene

celebrity has it's definite downside(s) :cool:

comhcinc

09-12-2008, 12:03 AM

Um, no. I could care less what he or any other "actor" said.

You seem to just want to cause conflict. This isn't about there being a problem with his opinion. This is about "Matt Damon's" opinion counting more than yours because he's an "actor."

Try to keep up, OK?
how is his opinion more important than mine?

esophagus

09-12-2008, 12:04 AM

how is his opinion more important than mine?It isn't. But the media plays it up to be.

comhcinc

09-12-2008, 12:07 AM

It isn't. But the media plays it up to be.
i don't see how. this was on what entertainment tonight? not really hard hitting news there. if i want my voice heard in the larger media there are plenty of ways to do it.

skyz

09-12-2008, 12:09 AM

how is his opinion more important than mine?

because he has bourne 'identity'

:D

esophagus

09-12-2008, 12:14 AM

i don't see how. this was on what entertainment tonight? not really hard hitting news there. if i want my voice heard in the larger media there are plenty of ways to do it.Okay.

I will poll strangers.

"I know a guy from a forum who is voting Obama (which you might not be, but for the sake of this post). Has this swayed your vote?"

"Matt Damon is voting Obama. Is that going to influence your vote at all?"

Guess which question will receive most "yes" answers?

comhcinc

09-12-2008, 12:38 AM

Okay.

I will poll strangers.

"I know a guy from a forum who is voting Obama (which you might not be, but for the sake of this post). Has this swayed your vote?"

"Matt Damon is voting Obama. Is that going to influence your vote at all?"

Guess which question will receive most "yes" answers?

that's not a fair way to ask. either do it as :

"I know a guy from a forum who is voting Obama (which you might not be, but for the sake of this post). Has this swayed your vote?"

"A random actor is voting Obama. Is that going to influence your vote at all?"

or ask it as:

"I know a guy from a forum who is a war veteran and works in the defense industry is voting Obama . Has this swayed your vote?"

"Matt Damon is voting Obama. Is that going to influence your vote at all?"

rabidbadger

09-12-2008, 12:50 AM

no seriously. Reagan, Heston, Gibson, Bono (Sonny), Eastwood, Spears(!), Schwarzenegger, Various and Sundry CountryWestern Singers, Chrighton and other Big Authors...

No diff than the "Hollywood Elite" as far as influence on the General Public.

diane

09-12-2008, 01:01 AM

a) It is amazingly obvious who you prefer Crumbles. Heck, I can tell where you get your news since you quote a lot.

b) comhcinc-rocking comment

c) Kevin is a geek people can relate to (no ivy league degree, parties, etc) so people idolize him. I see it all the time here with LeBron.It feels like one of your own made good.

d) there are morons everywhere who base their decisions on following those their admire than actually finding out the positions on issues and such. There are people who are going to vote because for McCain because of Dr. Dobson now coming on board because of Sarah Palin. In fact, there is a lot more people who will probably vote based on his comments than there are people who will vote for Obama because of Matt Damon.

e) Damon wasn't completely wrong. I want to know more about her such as the book banning thing, the separatist thing and my personal favorite the evolution thing. She has not been interviewed yet and no one from the campaign has been willing to answer any of these questions so it is all speculation. I am willing to give her a chance, but she does scare me.

Technically the Cleveland Mayor has had a larger population (city proper is a 100,000 smaller than all of Alaska but the Mayor works regionally so it is more like 2.2 mil), more issues such as crime, economy issues, education issues, potential terrorism issues (one of the 13 fed reserves are here and a whole bunch of military stuff), bigger budgets and national security experience than her, and I would scream running for Brazil if that nutjob was selected for the VP role.

In all honesty, this feels really weird that she was nominated for the VP job. It feels like she was chosen to make a play for my demographic which makes me immediately feel off. I don't understand Mc Cain's logic and normally I can follow him completely, that is one of the reasons I adore him. So, yes, there are a lot of questions. Frankly, aside from hardcore Republicans who support based on party, the majority of people are going "Who is this Sarah Palin person?" and rightly so.

secret-steve-crumbles

09-12-2008, 02:42 AM

a) It is amazingly obvious who you prefer Crumbles. Heck, I can tell where you get your news since you quote a lot.I don't think anyone on this entire forum would say I'm trying to hide my opinion.

I want to know more about her such as the book banning thingGoogle is your friend (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-09-Palin-book-ban_N.htm).

diane

09-12-2008, 03:05 AM

I don't think anyone on this entire forum would say I'm trying to hide my opinion.

Google is your friend (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-09-Palin-book-ban_N.htm).

I want to hear from her on it. Why did she ask the librarians to repost for their positions? That is not normally seen as a political appointment so it isn't like this is a common occurrence. What was the reasoning behind it? I think that is a very reasonable question. The article states no books were banned. Nothing stated ever said she was successful at banning books. I understand the position that is being stated that she was trying to better understand the policy but what is so confusing about the policy? And why did residents feel that she wasn't questioning the policy to understand it but more to challenge it? The article didn't answer that at all. I want to hear her take on it. So far it has been rather one sided, I want to get her side. And not by the spin doctors.

yssman

09-12-2008, 06:40 AM

Here is the problem with this anti-Matt position on the issue:

He was asked for his opinion on the matter, by the Associated Press, a reputable news organization in the United States. He did not schedule a press conference, he didn't go on a tirade on the Tonight Show, it was a simple question of his opinion.

Other than his celebrity, what the hell would be the difference if the Associate Press knocked on your door and asked you the same question? Absolutely nothing... He is an American, his vote counts just as well as yours, and to that end, he is entitled to answer the question as he see fits when asked. He is echoing a perfectly rational conclusion that a lot of Americans have drawn out of this situation, and I'm glad that someone had the balls to come out on TV and say it, celebrity or not.

====

On the flip side:

Would people be complaining if Bruce Willis was in the same situation and made comments about how he thinks Obama is unfit for office?

You've gotta look at both sides of the issue here...

phatlip12

09-12-2008, 07:22 AM

that's not a fair way to ask. either do it as :

"I know a guy from a forum who is voting Obama (which you might not be, but for the sake of this post). Has this swayed your vote?"

"A random actor is voting Obama. Is that going to influence your vote at all?"

or ask it as:

"I know a guy from a forum who is a war veteran and works in the defense industry is voting Obama . Has this swayed your vote?"

"Matt Damon is voting Obama. Is that going to influence your vote at all?"

Yeah, I'm still gona have to go with more people being influenced by Matt Damon.

rabidbadger

09-12-2008, 07:31 AM

Yeah, I'm still gona have to go with more people being influenced by Matt Damon.

I'd go with Mr. Damon too. In a heartbeat.

tokenuser

09-12-2008, 12:35 PM

Yeah, I'm still gona have to go with more people being influenced by Matt Damon.While you are probably correct, comhcinc is part of the traditional Republican base ... he is an average American, one of the people his party forgot (I am guessing he was once Republican, and that he still has conservative leaning).

comhcinc

09-12-2008, 02:20 PM

i am not sure i was ever a republican but i did vote in the republican primary in my first presidential election. that was eight years ago and there was this guy running then that i thought was just awesome. his name was John McCain. i wonder whatever happened to him.

but yeah i have some conservative leanings. before the party was took over by the religious right and the neo-cons. i voted for republicans plenty of times.

yssman

09-13-2008, 03:33 AM

but yeah i have some conservative leanings. before the party was took over by the religious right and the neo-cons. i voted for republicans plenty of times.

Same story here. I'm all for low taxes, small government, and continuing the push for civil rights that the GOP championed decades ago... But that has all fallen by the wayside.

While this is my first election I'll be of age to vote in (I missed the 04 election by a month), I've been political a long time.

Primary votes?

Dr. Ron Paul.

ariastar

09-15-2008, 12:06 AM

I'm a conservative Democrat and never, ever vote for someone just because of political party affiliation.

Celebrities think their word matters more than everyone else. If they say it, it must be so important the rest of us better stop and listen.

comhcinc

09-15-2008, 03:00 AM

Celebrities think their word matters more than everyone else. If they say it, it must be so important the rest of us better stop and listen.

hmmm i wonder why they think that? maybe be cause of all the people following them around, taking they pictures, and putting them on tv.

seriously, i have no problem with celebrities using their fame to championing causes that they believe in, and i don't understand why other do.

esophagus

09-15-2008, 03:24 AM

hmmm i wonder why they think that? maybe be cause of all the people following them around, taking they pictures, and putting them on tv.

seriously, i have no problem with celebrities using their fame to championing causes that they believe in, and i don't understand why other do.What he said.

"Matt Damon is just using his fame to get votes" is a silly argument. The real argument should be "Your voting just because of Matt Damons fame".