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samureye
09-12-2008, 05:05 PM
If you really think that John McCain and Sarah Palin should be the next leaders of this country, there's something seriously fucking wrong with you.


As an outsider viewing this election, what from this should I not take seriously? It really seems like all I need to know (http://www.deusexmalcontent.com/2008/09/stupid-does-as-stupid-is.html).

tokenuser
09-12-2008, 05:09 PM
The ABC interview was prety damning. No wonder the GOP have been shielding her from the press ... every time she opens her mouth without a script it just gets worse.

samureye
09-12-2008, 05:19 PM
This has helped shape my opinion as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6urw_PWHYk

Sure, she may not be qualified and just a political shill, but McCain, as I've stated before, will not take the presidency well. You can just see it, and that means we'll have President Palin, which seems pretty scary.

All this after hearing Obama speak, and I am seriously concerned people will really vote for these two.

comhcinc
09-12-2008, 05:19 PM
what you should do is keep out of it, you heathen commie foreigner!

j/k

there is a lot to know about mccain. he is a good guy and i think he would be a fine president if he could the neo cons and religious nut cases away from him. unfortunately it seems like he feels that is the only way he can be president is to be in bed with them.

samureye
09-12-2008, 06:17 PM
I don't doubt he's a good guy, I just think he's too old.

comhcinc
09-12-2008, 06:21 PM
age should really have nothing to do with it. either way.

tokenuser
09-12-2008, 06:27 PM
age should really have nothing to do with it. either way.Perhaps ... but the older the candidate, the more the VP needs to be taken into consideration.

Scary thing is, 8 years ago, if I was eligible to vote over here, I would have voted for him to be the GOP nominee, and for him to be President ... despite the fact I am liberal and like Gore. Now, with all the neocon and evangelical pandering, he has lost any appeal he had in the past. I am afraid the Dems have it right ... "Change? No, more of the same."

kahunablair
09-12-2008, 07:23 PM
Scary thing is, 8 years ago, if I was eligible to vote over here, I would have voted for him to be the GOP nominee, and for him to be President ... despite the fact I am liberal and like Gore. Now, with all the neocon and evangelical pandering, he has lost any appeal he had in the past. I am afraid the Dems have it right ... "Change? No, more of the same."

Same here. I voted for Gore begrudgingly, but if McCain was the GOP pick I would have voted for him.

comhcinc
09-12-2008, 07:56 PM
in 2000 i DID vote for mccain in the primary then voted for nader in the general.

samureye
09-12-2008, 08:22 PM
age should really have nothing to do with it. either way.

I agree with Token on this. I say too old to the effect that I think it will impact his ability to function, not just too old. He could be 120, but once he looks strong enough it's all good.

But the stuff they (McCain's camp) are pulling make them look ridiculous.

yssman
09-13-2008, 02:47 AM
The best summation of the history of McCain?

It came from The Daily Show in, "John McCain, Reformed Maverick." (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184113&title=John-McCain:-Reformed-Maverick)

rabidbadger
09-13-2008, 03:17 AM
age should really have nothing to do with it. either way.

I would agree, but only if he had a good fallback position. Old people die, especially those with recurring cancer like he has. My neighbor is going through that now. :(

But his second is useless, a PR stunt. 8 years ago I considered Mc Cain an "OK, I can live with that, if He wins" but we got Bush2 and all hell fell apart.

But now mc cain, Yeah lower case now, has fallen into lockstep with the neocons and right wing moonbats just so he can die in the Lincoln Bedroom. Great for him, sucks for the rest of us 2 hundred million suffering bastards.

and then to leave the world in the hands of a celbrity hockey mom from a state who's population doesnt even equal my COUNTY! No . furging. way.

bigshotprof
09-13-2008, 04:32 PM
what you should do is keep out of it, you heathen commie foreigner!

j/k

there is a lot to know about mccain. he is a good guy and i think he would be a fine president if he could the neo cons and religious nut cases away from him. unfortunately it seems like he feels that is the only way he can be president is to be in bed with them.

I agree with you on both points. The best evidence is that four years ago he called the Falwell wing "agents of intolerance." This year he picked one of their most vocal members as his VP.

ariastar
09-14-2008, 11:10 PM
Sammy, that's about all you need to know. You're right, McCain's too old, at least to be viewed as a candidate alone. With Obama, he's young enough I'm not even thinking about Biden, but McCain, with a cancer history, is a concern. If he goes, Palin is in charge, and she's wanting two more wars on top of the ones we've already got going. It seems like McCain's not thinking for himself. Once upon a time, he seemed okay. Then, I don't know, maybe senility set in. Who knows. All I know is I am scared, genuinely scared, of him being president, more so than Bush, because he's a bit too close for comfort to a lady who wants to go after Russian and Iran. We don't have the troops as it is, and I'm afraid of a draft.

secret-steve-crumbles
09-16-2008, 12:46 PM
...every time [Palin] opens her mouth without a script it just gets worse.
*chuckles quietly to himself (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/15/obamas-teleprompter-hits-the-trail/)*

tokenuser
09-16-2008, 12:59 PM
*chuckles quietly to himself (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/15/obamas-teleprompter-hits-the-trail/)*He still delivers most of his speeches without a teleprompter. Adding one in means that (unlike McCain) he doesn't need to read from cue cards - he can keep his focs where it needs to be ... on the people.

I would bet that he is not reading off the teleprompter, but that it has talking points listed he needs to hit.

Unfortunately Palin, even after cramming for a week prior to the Gibson interview, still came off weak.

secret-steve-crumbles
09-16-2008, 01:03 PM
He still delivers most of his speeches without a teleprompter. Adding one in means that (unlike McCain) he doesn't need to read from cue cards - he can keep his focs where it needs to be ... on the people.

I would bet that he is not reading off the teleprompter, but that it has talking points listed he needs to hit.

Unfortunately Palin, even after cramming for a week prior to the Gibson interview, still came off weak.hahha, that's awesome. he has to set one up in the middle of a rodeo and you still defend him. Dude, you're bias is so hardcore you refuse to even admit when something your party does is pretty laughable. How can anyone honestly respect your opinion when you think like that.

You're like Rachel Ray. My wife watches her all the time. She has some show where she goes around and checks out restaurants. Here, I'll save you some time from ever watching the show. Here's the end of every one:

"MMMM.... OMG, that's delicious!"

You're just as predictable.

tokenuser
09-16-2008, 01:10 PM
You forget. I can't vote.

With my politcal background, the US parties are conservative ... and even more conservative.

Obama is right wing to me (slightly, but right none the less)
McCain is further right.
Palin is so far right its not funny.

Seeing a teleprompter at an Obama event is new.
Seeing a teleprompter at a McCain/Paln event is standard.

Don't accuse me of being biased unless you can look in the mirror.

secret-steve-crumbles
09-16-2008, 01:18 PM
You forget. I can't vote.

With my politcal background, the US parties are conservative ... and even more conservative.

Obama is right wing to me (slightly, but right none the less)
McCain is further right.
Palin is so far right its not funny.

Seeing a teleprompter at an Obama event is new.
Seeing a teleprompter at a McCain/Paln event is standard.

Don't accuse me of being biased unless you can look in the mirror.Wow, there are so many things wrong with your post it's amazing. First, you not being able to vote has nothing to do with anything, so, I'll just ignore that part.

Second. Obama is right wing? That's is hilarious. I wonder if all Democrats think that way. Check out who Obama's ideals are close to:

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/Bojangles888/me.jpg

As for the teleprompter, you're the one who made the argument that Palin needed her "script" otherwise she was fucked. I'm showing you your chosen one needs it to. So much so he looks stupid for using it in the middle of a rodeo. You're trying to change what your original argument was now by trying to say: "No, I meant it was new for Obama!"

Look in the mirror? Have you not read the hundreds of posts of me saying how disappointed I am with Bush not following his conservative values? How I say he acts like a Democrat all the time and I find it hilarious that Democrats hate him? I don't even like McCain. I think he's a Democrat. Hell, he wanted a Democratic seat.

However

He won't destroy this country, and he won't move us one step to socialism. I know most people on this board want that, but I don't.

tokenuser
09-16-2008, 01:34 PM
You seem to have a hard time reading what I am saying.

Based on my political viewpoint, Obama is a conservative candidate. As a conservative candidate he is to the right of my political spectrum. He (and the dems in general) are nudging towards social reform and social programs, but are not taking them far enough.

In the US political field Obama is left wing ... but not compared to the rest of the western world. US politics is still extremely conservative compared to many other countries.

And just to be clear ... from the story you linked to (I guess it had a catchy headline, beause you don't seem to actually read the content)

The Democratic presidential nominee has never tried to hide the fact he delivers speeches off the device, though normally he doesn't use one at standard campaign rallies and town hall events.

secret-steve-crumbles
09-16-2008, 01:43 PM
You seem to have a hard time reading what I am saying.

Based on my political viewpoint, Obama is a conservative candidate.OK, you're right, I missed you saying that the first time. That is almost unbeli... no, I guess it's not actually.

And just to be clear ... from the story you linked to (I guess it had a catchy headline, beause you don't seem to actually read the content)Do I seriously need to post the videos of him without a teleprompter?

njshadow
09-16-2008, 05:21 PM
At first I was really excited for Sarah Palin but now I'm starting to think she is hurting things more than helping them and just repeating the same lines over, and over, and over, and over, and over...................THANKS, BUT NO THANKS FOR THAT BRIDGE TO NOWHERE.

I'm 100% for McCain but am slowly starting to loose faith in Palin.

secret-steve-crumbles
09-16-2008, 06:51 PM
At first I was really excited for Sarah Palin but now I'm starting to think she is hurting things more than helping them and just repeating the same lines over, and over, and over, and over, and over...................THANKS, BUT NO THANKS FOR THAT BRIDGE TO NOWHERE.

I'm 100% for McCain but am slowly starting to loose faith in Palin.All politicians do this. Just take your ear outside to any Democrat. Hear that chant? It's the word change.

tokenuser
09-16-2008, 07:00 PM
All politicians do this. Just take your ear outside to any Democrat. Hear that chant? It's the word change.I thought "Change" was the new McCain slogan, which is usually followed by the masses chanting USA USA USA as a way of filling in time instead of actually hearing what those changes might actually be (because lets face it, they dont care, they want more of the same anyway).

bigshotprof
09-16-2008, 07:49 PM
I'm 100% for McCain but am slowly starting to loose faith in Palin.

I used to be a big fan of McCain despite disagreeing with him on many things This guy, though, isn't John McCain. I think the pod people got him. He admitted after 2000 that he lied about the Confederate flag, and said it shamed him. Now he is doing it again. He knew Obama didn't support teaching sex ed to five year olds, and he okayed the ad anyway. Even though it has pointed out to him several times, as late as yesterday 9/15, we was still swearing it was true. In 2000, he considered ultra right wing evangelicals "agents of intolerance." This month he put one on his ticket. If you want to vote for "John McCain" I think you should, but first you will have to find him.

ariastar
09-16-2008, 07:55 PM
Do I seriously need to post the videos of him without a teleprompter?

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. But when McCain/Palin do, even when they try denying it, it's a-okay because they are them.

njshadow
09-16-2008, 07:58 PM
All politicians do this. Just take your ear outside to any Democrat. Hear that chant? It's the word change.

True. True.

I think all politicians, whether republican or democrat, should have at least have a little intelligence when it comes to answering a "Ha ha, got ya!" kind of question. Instead they all mumble the same crap over and over........

ariastar
09-16-2008, 07:59 PM
At first I was really excited for Sarah Palin but now I'm starting to think she is hurting things more than helping them and just repeating the same lines over, and over, and over, and over, and over...................THANKS, BUT NO THANKS FOR THAT BRIDGE TO NOWHERE.

I'm 100% for McCain but am slowly starting to loose faith in Palin.

Slowly? That Bridge to Nowhere she wanted funds for was estimated to be almost $400,000,000. Yet she cut funding for rape kits and told victims they had to pay for them if they wanted the exams done, despite the exams being to collect evidence from the body of an already-traumatized woman to try to catch and jail a rapist. $1,200 was too much of a taxpayer burden when it comes to getting a rapist off the streets, but $400,000,000 for that damned bridge is fine. The rape kits cost too much, yet she wants two more wars (Russia and Iran).

He priorities with taxpayer money is too skewed for us to be safe with her as president (McCain will likely die in the next eight years, so she would be president). With the wars they want, you may as well start packing now because I don't see how we can have the troops for two more wars when we're short troops for the wars we have now. Not without reinstating the draft. No one thought it would happen prior to 'Nam, but it did.

ariastar
09-16-2008, 08:00 PM
Crumbles, you know NJS isn't talking about the chants. Quit being intentionally stupid, if you can figure out how.