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secret-steve-crumbles
09-15-2008, 02:38 PM
So... do you guys seriously still think the media isn't bias?

First, Obama (http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=5000184):
How does it feel to break a glass ceiling?
How does it feel to “win”?
How does your family feel about your “winning” breaking a glass ceiling?
Who will be your VP?
Should you choose Hillary Clinton as VP?
Will you accept public finance?
What issues is your campaign about?
Will you visit Iraq?
Will you debate McCain at a town hall?
What did you think of your competitor’s [Clinton] speech?

Now Palin (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09...with-abc-news/):
Do you have enough qualifications for the job you’re seeking? Specifically have you visited foreign countries and met foreign leaders?
Aren’t you conceited to be seeking this high level job?
Questions about foreign policy
-territorial integrity of Georgia
-allowing Georgia and Ukraine to be members of NATO
-NATO treaty
-Iranian nuclear threat
-what to do if Israel attacks Iran
-Al Qaeda motivations
-the Bush Doctrine
-attacking terrorists harbored by Pakistan
Is America fighting a holy war? [misquoted Palin]

So Obama gets “how does it feel to win” and “what did you think of Hillary’s speech.” Palin gets questions about the territorial integrity of Georgia.

Full Article (http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/compare_and_contrast_gibsons_questions_of_obama_vs _gibsons_questions_of_pal/).

tokenuser
09-15-2008, 03:05 PM
How about the context in which the interviews were made?

Obama - on Hilary withdrawing from the nomination race, making Obama the presumptive nominee.
Palin - who the fuck are you and what are your views on stuff people need to know.

That article was all about trying to spindoctor what was a pretty poor response from the VP Nominee. She might be a great public speaker, but she clearly showed a lack of knowledge of current Bush policy, and stated McCain policy direction. She might have passed the exam - but it was a B- at best.

secret-steve-crumbles
09-15-2008, 03:18 PM
I think all of this is finally starting to set in, and the general public is losing credibility with the media.

May be a factor as to why McCain is doing better in the polls now.

tokenuser
09-15-2008, 03:39 PM
I think all of this is finally starting to set in, and the general public is losing credibility with the media.Does the media really need a credible public? They are just after ratings.

bigshotprof
09-15-2008, 05:24 PM
I think all of this is finally starting to set in, and the general public is losing credibility with the media.

May be a factor as to why McCain is doing better in the polls now.

Gotta go with Token on this one.If this had been Obama's first interview with the mainstream media, then a bias would be showing. Miss Congeniality, however had not been in front of a camera without a script and several buffers.

On the other hand, and as an olive branch, I have to give credit where credit is due. On Fox the other day, I saw Chris Wallace interview one of Palin's handlers, and he ripped the guy a new one when the subject came to earmarks.

masherscf
09-15-2008, 06:15 PM
I think all of this is finally starting to set in, and the general public is losing credibility with the media.

May be a factor as to why McCain is doing better in the polls now.

I think that you mean that the media is losing credibility with the public.

But, do you think that a presumed bias on the part of Gibson somehow nullifies the interview? Don't you think that Palin, or anyone seeking national executive office, should be able to answer hard question from a hostile questioner?

Obama was not in the room with Palin and Gibson somehow befuddling her attempts to answer the hard questions. It was just her and this one guy. She's the chief excutive of a large state, why can't she verbally buttstroke this guy if he's being a partison shill? Why do spin doctors need to step in later for damage control?

It's good the McCain is ahead in the popluar polls today. Unless he's got something else in the bag, I don't see Palin improveing is odds any.

There are a hundred people better suited to championing conservative causes better than Palin.

secret-steve-crumbles
09-15-2008, 07:02 PM
I think that you mean that the media is losing credibility with the public.Yes, that was what I meant. *goes back to read what I wrote...*

But, do you think that a presumed bias on the part of Gibson somehow nullifies the interview? Don't you think that Palin, or anyone seeking national executive office, should be able to answer hard question from a hostile questioner?Oh, no no no, I agree that all questions should be on the table. I think that Obama is getting a cakewalk from the media. I'm not complaining that she got "hard" questions. I want both parties questioned really hard. Not:

"So, Obama, what's it like eating cake?" vs. actual questions Palin got.

phatlip12
09-15-2008, 07:34 PM
I think that Obama is getting a cakewalk from the media.

I agree, Barry is getting a cakewalk. Nobody pays enough attention to what his babys moma does and we only heard about his priest for 3 months straight instead of 6. Let us also not forget that Obama = Osama and we should never utter his middle name (Hussain). They just leave the black man alone to his cheerful games of putting lipstick on pigs.

Sarcasm alert: 100%


Yep. Cakewalk. :)

secret-steve-crumbles
09-15-2008, 07:38 PM
I agree, Barry is getting a cakewalk. Nobody pays enough attention to what his babys moma does and we only heard about his priest for 3 months straight instead of 6. Let us also not forget that Obama = Osama and we should never utter his middle name (Hussain). They just leave the black man alone to his cheerful games of putting lipstick on pigs.

Sarcasm alert: 100%


Yep. Cakewalk. :)Show me one mainstream interview where he as asked those questions about his priest, etc. I'll wait.

phatlip12
09-15-2008, 07:48 PM
Show me one mainstream interview where he as asked those questions about his priest, etc. I'll wait.

Do you not get the Fox news channel?

secret-steve-crumbles
09-15-2008, 10:10 PM
Do you not get the Fox news channel?Actually, I don't. I just canceled my DishTV. However, regardless as to whether or not I get that channel, you still haven't linked to an interview where he was forced to ask those tough questions as I asked. So... I'm still waiting. And you're helping to make my point fairly easy.

tokenuser
09-15-2008, 10:56 PM
Show me one mainstream interview where he as asked those questions about his priest, etc. I'll wait.He didn't have to be asked those questions (either priest) because he made a public statement about it. See. Nothing to hide.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/29/at-obamas-church-chicago-minister-says-clinton-felt-white-entitlement/

Thats a link to the second priest ... he dominates the news more recently, so I couldn't go back far enough to find the fire and brimstone preacher that was preacing the hate against whitey.

phatlip12
09-15-2008, 10:59 PM
Actually, I don't. I just canceled my DishTV. However, regardless as to whether or not I get that channel, you still haven't linked to an interview where he was forced to ask those tough questions as I asked. So... I'm still waiting. And you're helping to make my point fairly easy.

Sorry buddy, I'm in the process writing a 5 page paper on Fast Food Nation for Sociology that's due tomorrow (of course).

I'll scour YouTube tonight for videos. Gota finish this first.

*Back to work*

rabidbadger
09-15-2008, 11:33 PM
this interview (http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Vote2008/story?id=4480133&page=1) was no cakewalk. Having the first black (pre)candidate basically have to explain "blackness" to America.

and even Katie had tough questions (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/22/eveningnews/main4283623.shtml) about Foreign Policy.

NYTimes interview (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/us/politics/02obama-transcript.html?pagewanted=1) all about Iraq

yssman
09-16-2008, 03:12 AM
Hey, here's a thought:

Gov. Palin had over a week to prepare for this interview, and to that extent, much of the blame for not making her part of the media circus must be leveled at the McCain campaign who chose to isolate her instead. What is there to hide? Is she not able to answer the same questions that were asked of Obama while he was on The O'Reiley Factor?

The fact of the matter is that when you're essentially a political nobody (which is exactly what Palin is, she was not on ANYONE'S radar), people are going to ask questions. Tough questions. If you're going to be a heartbeat away from having your finger on the proverbial button, I would hope that she would be able to identify what the Bush Doctrine is.

...Oh, wait...

comhcinc
09-16-2008, 03:18 AM
(which is exactly what Palin is, she was not on ANYONE'S radar)

actually i heard about palin months ago right here at Rev3! are we a head of the pack or what?

rabidbadger
09-16-2008, 03:32 AM
Hey, here's a thought:

Gov. Palin had over a week to prepare for this interview, and to that extent, much of the blame for not making her part of the media circus must be leveled at the McCain campaign who chose to isolate her instead. What is there to hide? Is she not able to answer the same questions that were asked of Obama while he was on The O'Reiley Factor?

The fact of the matter is that when you're essentially a political nobody (which is exactly what Palin is, she was not on ANYONE'S radar), people are going to ask questions. Tough questions. If you're going to be a heartbeat away from having your finger on the proverbial button, I would hope that she would be able to identify what the Bush Doctrine is.

...Oh, wait...

totally agree. Obama has been vetted for years and years. Ever since the Kerry convention. and!!! he's at the top of the ticket. Palin is new. Only two months away from the vote, and a hearbeat away from "ruler of the free world". The press HAS to ask her tough questions NOW!

Obama has been asked, and has answered those questions, ages ago. We know where he stands. agree or not. and Dude, that gibson dude is the softball puffball that the rethugs colluded with. AND even HE was stunned she didn't know what the "bush docrrine was".

This whole thread is a convoluted strawman. Like most of your threads are. Talking points as fake discussion issues. Distract us from what' is important.

bigshotprof
09-16-2008, 04:55 AM
There are a hundred people better suited to championing conservative causes better than Palin.

Really? Because she seems to me to be the perfect poster child for 21st century conservatism.

yssman
09-17-2008, 04:52 AM
Really? Because she seems to me to be the perfect poster child for 21st century conservatism.

Cough *neocons* cough.

They're the people who are driving real Republicans away from the Republican party. Its despicable.

tokenuser
09-17-2008, 12:40 PM
Really? Because she seems to me to be the perfect poster child for 21st century conservatism.Really??

She is just the US, evangelical version of:

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/57/4657-004-00AD9A94.jpg

Baroness Thatcher was not a neocon - but she was a "new conservative", she was religious, but pretty much kept it to herself. She held power in the UK for the term of Reagan (if that puts it in context), with some overlap for a couple of years at the beginning with Carter, and a year at the end with Bush 1.0.

bigshotprof
09-17-2008, 03:12 PM
Really? Because she seems to me to be the perfect poster child for 21st century conservatism.

When I posted this note I was in the middle of reading R.K. Morgan's Thirteen. I was thinking about who would lead the middle American territory after the dissolution of the USA. When push really comes to shove, the Neocons will be the first ones eaten. They talk tough, but they are a bunch of wonky punks. Put Cheney on a waterboard and he will rat out his friends before you can wet the towel. For that whole bunch GOP stood for Got Other Priorities. They had more deferments than their troops had armored jeeps. The real conservatism is still the hardcore fundamentalists. They blew up the building in Oklahoma City and got clean away. They are funded and organized, and most of all patient.